I was wondering if I should citizens arrest a person whom I suspect to be in possesion of an illegal drug.

I am positive a police officer(s) whom work in the town centre are in possesion of GHB.

Should I arrest them?

Can I arrest them?

Is it acceptable for police to be in possesion of such substances?

Even if you caught this person with the substance in their possession (whatever their occupation) how can you be sure the substance is GHB?

You'd be taking one heck of a risk tom3to! You'd be truncheoned in the nuts, forced to inhale a can of pepper spray and then held in a tripple Nelson for 15 minutes. Then they'd introduce to to Mr. Wood in the cells! Besides, some of that GHB might end up in your pocket during the struggle.

And no, it is not acceptable for a Police Officer to carry GHB unless they've just confiscated it.

Depends if you like the officer or not, go with your heart.

Even if you caught this person with the substance in their possession (whatever their occupation) how can you be sure the substance is GHB?

I could prove it with blood tests, they aren't carrying it physically so to speak, it's in their system!

sorry to be ignorant here but what is GHB?

GHB is amazing! Haven't had it since joining army but it was brilliant...and it was legal back then!

OK thanx for that, but still dont answer my question, so i went to the effort of finding the answer.

"GHB: Gamma hydroxy butyrate or Gamma hydroxybutyric acid, Sodium Oxybate

Made From: gamma butyrolactone (GBL) and Sodium Hydroxide or Potassium Hydroxide - basically it is degreasing solvent or floor stripper mixed with drain cleaner. When GBL or BD or products containing them are ingested, GHB is produced in the body."

Enough said, I know I would not like these chemicals in my system.

OK thanx for that, but still dont answer my question, so i went to the effort of finding the answer.

"GHB: Gamma hydroxy butyrate or Gamma hydroxybutyric acid, Sodium Oxybate

Made From: gamma butyrolactone (GBL) and Sodium Hydroxide or Potassium Hydroxide - basically it is degreasing solvent or floor stripper mixed with drain cleaner. When GBL or BD or products containing them are ingested, GHB is produced in the body."

Enough said, I know I would not like these chemicals in my system.

But they are, are they not?

not that I am aware of, unless I produce the chemicals naturally or intake them through food.

not that I am aware of, unless I produce the chemicals naturally or intake them through food.

i like my food too :)

It's a well-established legal principle that once you've ingested a substance you are no longer "in possession" of it for purposes of prosecution. The judge who set the precedent ruled that "you are no more in possession of an illegal substance once you have taken it than you are a glass of whisky you have drunk", or words similar to that. So basically no, and they would give you a good chocking for trying it.

sorry to be ignorant here but what is GHB?

It's what dlysexics get charged with if they assault someone.

why on earth would you want to?

get a job on the force,
rat 'em out from the inside...

sheffield's own serpico :-)

why on earth would you want to?

I think tom has an issue with the boys in blue. :rolleyes:

We should work together to stop these aweful things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Highland_Bagpipe) coming into the country, especially around new year.

I think tom has an issue with the boys in blue. :rolleyes:

so who would he hand this guy over to? or is he planning on keeping him in the cellar?

i thought he must be extremely anti-drugs to think of something like that. not many people would consider doing a citizens arrest on an unarmed person, nevermind a copper, armed with a big stick, lots of police mates (and a radio to call them on), cs spray & handcuffs. it'd be a very brave move.

We should work together to stop these aweful things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Highland_Bagpipe) coming into the country, especially around new year.

i'll be on the lookout, thats one thing i would attempt a citizens arrest for.

I was wondering if I should citizens arrest a person whom I suspect to be in possesion of an illegal drug.

I am positive a police officer(s) whom work in the town centre are in possesion of GHB.

Should I arrest them?

Can I arrest them?

Is it acceptable for police to be in possesion of such substances?

in the star the other night it said all coppers who had been drug tested came back with neggative results.
if i have got this right you are saying that you know of coppers on the beat who are under the influence of drugs. if thats right grass these hypocrits up in front of witnesses at the station while they are on duty .insist they are tested. if you are correct you are doing the whole city a favour including the police force. bent coppers should be locked up.

I was wondering if I should citizens arrest a person whom I suspect to be in possesion of an illegal drug.

I am positive a police officer(s) whom work in the town centre are in possesion of GHB.

Should I arrest them?
Can I arrest them?

Is it acceptable for police to be in possesion of such substances?

The fundamental difference, I believe, between a police officer's rights of arrest and a Member of the Public is that an officer can arrest someone ON SUSPICION of an offence, rather than for the offence.
So if you merely 'suspect' the person rather than, say, having seen them 'pocket' said drugs then you cannot legally arrest them. Trying to arrest an officer in such a manner would probably get you legally arrested for carrying out an unlawful arrest.

I was wondering if I should citizens arrest a person whom I suspect to be in possesion of an illegal drug.

I am positive a police officer(s) whom work in the town centre are in possesion of GHB.

Should I arrest them?

Can I arrest them?

Is it acceptable for police to be in possesion of such substances?The law provides general powers that allow any person to make a citizen's arrest under certain circumstances - including if they witness an arrestable offence. However, there are many legal issues which make it a complex matter with many grey areas.

The current powers of citizens' arrest, that apply to "any person", are broadly covered by three parts of the law.

• Arrest for an "indictable offence" under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.
• Arrest of persons committing, or about to commit a Breach of the Peace under common law.
• Use of reasonable force to prevent crime or arrest offenders or persons unlawfully at large under the Criminal Law Act 1967.

"You're allowed to restrain them and you're allowed to use reasonable force, but the word "reasonable" is something that's used in British law in an awful lot of different statutes and it always causes problems because you have to look at what's reasonable in those circumstances."

You could be legally liable if you make a false accusation or if you assault someone without a very strong reason to think they are in the middle of a crime.
Tell the suspect that they're under citizen's arrest. Tell them that they're not allowed to leave until a police officer comes and that they can explain the situation to the police when they arrive. Be firm and matter-of-fact.
Identify yourself to the police when they arrive. When the police arrive, let them know who you are, what you saw, and why you held the suspect. Remember that you will probably need to be in court to provide eyewitness testimony for the crime, so stay calm and stick to the facts. Don't tell them what you think happened, tell them exactly what you saw and who you saw doing it.

I was wondering if I should citizens arrest a person whom I suspect to be in possesion of an illegal drug.

I am positive a police officer(s) whom work in the town centre are in possesion of GHB.

Should I arrest them?

Can I arrest them?

Is it acceptable for police to be in possesion of such substances?

It's class C, I don't believe possession (notwithstanding Teafan's salient observation) of 'personal' quantities of a Class C substance is an arrestable offence.

However, since GHB is present in wine, perhaps you could effect a citizens arrest of the proprietor of an off licence instead? If you're that worried about it, that is.

Of course, the human body also contains one or two Class A drugs, not generally available in off licences, more's the pity.

It's class C, I don't believe possession (notwithstanding Teafan's salient observation) of 'personal' quantities of a Class C substance is an arrestable offence.

However, since GHB is present in wine, perhaps you could effect a citizens arrest of the proprietor of an off licence instead? If you're that worried about it, that is.
Of course, the human body also contains one or two Class A drugs, not generally available in off licences, more's the pity.

Found this very interesting, and just didn't believe it, but its true!!:

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=6513

However, the dosage needed to have any physiological affect which would be noticeable over the alcohol would mean drinking an awful lot of wine!:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_dose.shtml

Found this very interesting, and just didn't believe it, but its true!!:

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=6513

However, the dosage needed to have any physiological affect which would be noticeable over the alcohol would mean drinking an awful lot of wine!:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_dose.shtml

It was a surpise to me too.

Here's the ref:
Elliott S, Burgess V.
“The presence of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) and gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) in alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages”.
Forensic Sci Int. 2005;151(2-3):289-92.

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However, the dosage needed to have any physiological affect which would be noticeable over the alcohol would mean drinking an awful lot of wine!

as anybody whos been on a night out with me will testify....this probably explains an awful lot! :help:


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Do you know for sure that this officer took the drug themselves? Maybe they drank too much wine or had their drink spiked...