PLEASE!

Doesn't anyone know the difference between 'there' and 'their'??????

OK it's late, and it is the one thing that irritates me more than most, but it is BASIC GRAMMAR!!!!!

I couldn't agree more!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

I was beginning to think I was the only one! I'm not the best at grammar but I try hard to make sure what I do write is correct.

They're never going to get that on here! :hihi:

I only complain about the use of the wrong one when it completely changes the meaning of the sentence to mean something really silly.

I started a thread for the funny mistakes, but it got hijacked into a general moaning and complaining :(

I know exactly how you feel, we've been here so many times in the past. Although the example you quote (there/their) is really bad spelling rather than grammar. Try not to let it get you down - half the members of this forum are semi-literate at best.

Whenever it has been discussed in the past those with poor spelling and no idea about grammar simply get defensive and respond with "get a life" or a similar devastating riposte.

We just have to live with the sad fact that third world levels of spelling/grammar are perfectly acceptable everywhere these days.

Originally posted by mojoworking
I know exactly how you feel, we've been here so many times in the past. Try not to let it get you down - half the members of this forum are semi-literate at best.

Whenever it has been discussed in the past those with poor spelling and no idea about grammar simply get defensive and respond with "get a life" or a similar devastating riposte.

We just have to live with the sad fact that third world levels of spelling/grammar are perfectly acceptable everywhere these days.

I agree completely! It annoys me so much. My own pet-peeve is people who confuse lend and borrow!!! :rant:

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
I agree completely! It annoys me so much. My own pet-peeve is people who confuse lend and borrow!!! :rant:

K x

As in "borrow us your pen"?

My own favourite is the one where people put an apostrophe on EVERY word ending with an "s". Nine times out of 10 it doesn't need one, so they'd have more success using no apostrophes at all.

And the strangely Northern way of saying 'while' in the wrong context!

My sister does it all the time! She'll say "I'm working while 5.00" and when I cringe she just can't understand!

Originally posted by mojoworking
As in "borrow us your pen"?

Nah, "Can I lend your pen?" Or is that just Scouse?

And the apostrophe? Apparently the 'modern usage' *cough* is to apply the 'a/an' rule. If a word ends in a vowel, it gets an apostrophe to separate it from the 's'.

And there's no point in trying to explain to anybody why you'd need one after an 's'. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Hels
And the strangely Northern way of saying 'while' in the wrong context!
Not in Liverpool, we don't. We've got our own grammar problems, thanks.

'It weren't me. I never done nothing!' :hihi:

Originally posted by mojoworking
As in "borrow us your pen"?

Exactly. :clap: Then again, there's always the infuriating teach / learn crime. E.g. "Can you learn me how to play the piano?" Not that anyone has actually ever said that to me!

Am I the only one that is being really careful of spelling errors while on this thread? :D

K x

Originally posted by Strix
Not in Liverpool, we don't. We've got our own grammar problems, thanks.

'It weren't me. I never done nothing!' :hihi:

Shouldn't that be "notton" ? :D

K x

You know, I don't remember doing 'grammar' at school, but I do know the basics.

I always remember a class when one of the boys said "I didn't do nothing Sir" and even when the teacher explained it, only half the class understood!

Originally posted by Strix
Nah, "Can I lend your pen?" Or is that just Scouse?

Who do you want to lend my pen to? ;)

You're not the only one Kristian - i've tried to double check everything - just in case!

Or should that be 'everythink' that's another bug bear of mine, people who pronounce 'ing' as 'ink'

Originally posted by Kristian
Shouldn't that be "notton" ? :D

K x
Nuffin, no'un, nothun - depending on your district

Originally posted by jgharston
Who do you want to lend my pen to? ;)
That was always my answer, but it was generally met with a blank stare :(

Yup, you know you're beat when you get the 'blank stare'

Originally posted by Hels
You're not the only one Kristian - i've tried to double check everything - just in case!

Or should that be 'everythink' that's another bug bear of mine, people who pronounce 'ing' as 'ink'

Don't start me on that one! I get so passive agressive about grammar!

What about the numpties who make up new words and phrases? I used to manage a guy who overheard a girl in the team taking a call for another team member. He was obviously impressed with the phrase she used (I'm sorry she's indisposed, can I help?? and rephrased it that afternoon as "I'm sorry she's been disposed of, can I help?) :D I had to smile before I sacked him :blush:

K x

LOL! That's a new one on me!

Originally posted by Hels
LOL! That's a new one on me!

Oh, this thing has been going on for years with me!

I got text from a friend once who was dead excited she was going to be a "Made of Honour" When I suggested a more befitting title would be "Made of Cheeseburger" she didn't laugh. Oh well, this is what you get for being friends with a fatty!

Just to say, it was a bad day. I'm not normally condemding or judgemental of anyone be it fat / black / gay / straight / short / tall / disabled etc.

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Shouldn't that be "notton" ? :D

K x

Calm down! Calm down! :D

While we're talking Liverpudlian, can you explain why the Scousers seeming end every sentence with "La"? As in "Come 'ed la"

Glad to hear at - as I'm a bit of a 'lardy' myself!

Originally posted by mojoworking
Calm down! Calm down! :D
Not "Caam down, caam down" then?

And pronunciation? What is an amberlunts? or an eskyerlaytor?

Originally posted by Strix
Not "Caam down, caam down" then?

And pronunciation? What is an amberlunts? or an eskyerlaytor?

In my last job, I sat next to a girl from Kirby (Liverpool) for the entire time. She never failed to make me smile because of her accent, especially when she was cross / happy / sad / excited. I loved it and joked with her about it (in a nice way. you understand!)

K x

Sure, the liverpudlian accent is funny, so is the Brummy accent - but do you know how many people automatically assume anyone with those accents are thick?

Not true (apparantly)

Originally posted by Hels
Sure, the liverpudlian accent is funny, so is the Brummy accent - but do you know how many people automatically assume anyone with those accents are thick?

Not true (apparantly)

Quite so, but I don't think anyone's trying to imply that a strong accent means someone is thick?

Originally posted by Hels
Sure, the liverpudlian accent is funny, so is the Brummy accent - but do you know how many people automatically assume anyone with those accents are thick?

Not true (apparantly)
Apparently it's nearly as many as those who regard those with a yorkshire accent as being thick. :D (That's if they can tell the diference between any of the Northern accents) :hihi:

It's not the accent, it's the diction. The two usually go hand in hand though, hence the confusion.

Every accent provokes instinctive responses (apparantly)

For example: the Scottish accent means 'trustworthy'

the northern accent means 'frugal with money'

and unfortunately, the Brummy and Liverpuddlian accents mean 'thick'

That's the way advertising executives see it, which is why they use particular accents for particular aspects of advertising.

Originally posted by Hels
That's the way advertising executives see it, which is why they use particular accents for particular aspects of advertising.
'It's worrian rush drinks'
'Gimmee sum!'
'Nah, gerroff!' :thumbsup:

Appare ntly, the way to pretend to be from Birmingham (or the Black Country as I'm assured the accent we all take the p*ss out of actually is) is to move the first vowel to the next one in the alphabet.

E.g. 'really' would be pronounced 'rially".

I haven't had the time to test this one, so come on, challenge me!

K x

My teachurs accent back at collage boiled my blood with rage!

Originally posted by adaline
My teachurs accent back at collage boiled my blood with rage!

Does this post qualify as humour, or are you about to have strips torn from you?

Not sure this is going to work??? Huw eri yua - ok maybe it does!

Originally posted by Strix
Does this post qualify as humour, or are you about to have strips torn from you?

I hope it's humour, but there again...

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Appare ntly, the way to pretend to be from Birmingham (or the Black Country as I'm assured the accent we all take the p*ss out of actually is) is to move the first vowel to the next one in the alphabet.

E.g. 'really' would be pronounced 'rially".

I haven't had the time to test this one, so come on, challenge me!

K x

That sounds like a variation on the New Zealand accent where they appear to use only 2 of the 5 vowels:

eg: Lut's huve some fush & chups.

Other examples: Six becomes sex
Nick becomes neck.

Of course the Aussies love this and give the Kiwis no end of stick about their accent (and yes, a NZ accent is very different from an Aussie accent once you tune into it).

I worked in a place where we had two maintenance (can't spell that :mad: ) engineers called Jeff. One was from South Africa, so he, and everybody else, called him 'Jiff'.

Can't say i've heard enough Aussie and NZ accents to try that out. I'm sure they are different - just like Yorkshire and Lancashire, and America and Canada.

Perhaps I ought to tour the world and assess the accents? Any contributions to my fundraising efforts appreciated!!!

Originally posted by Hels
Perhaps I ought to tour the world and assess the accents? Any contributions to my fundraising efforts appreciated!!!

No, but I'll come with you if all the expenses are paid!

K x

Hey, yes, and then we can write some long and boring thesis on what we learned. Ooops, best we stick to the languages!

Originally posted by Hels
Hey, yes, and then we can write some long and boring thesis on what we learned. Ooops, best we stick to the languages!

And the Vodka. Don't forget the Vodka!

K x

It was a typo actually

They have Vodka 'down under' ? yippee! Show me the way

Originally posted by adaline
It was a typo actually
Which one?

Originally posted by Strix
Which one?

Go Strix !!!

K x

How many do you see?

Originally posted by adaline
How many do you see?

Not that many babe!

Sure it's better than any other language I speak :):

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Nothing that's bad babe!

Sure it's better than any other language I speak :):

K x

My mate used to speak German to me infront of other party-goers when we went out for a drink in Sheffield

I remember her saying something in German to me about someone being fat. Couldn't tell who in my drunken state, as to who she was commenting on... Upon me understanding it, My reply was "Who's fat?"

I got replied with an embarrassed face, and turned round to see a Michelle McManus look-a-like!

OOps. Sure she never heard. Hope so!

K x

Originally posted by Hels
PLEASE!

Doesn't anyone know the difference between 'there' and 'their'??????

OK it's late, and it is the one thing that irritates me more than most, but it is BASIC GRAMMAR!!!!! you got me their

There's another thread on this, if grammar really does it for you, lol.

There, Their, They're (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22590)

Cosy:D

My spelling and grammer are both terrible but I don't care, I'm more interested in what people have to say than wether or not they have spelt it correctly.

Originally posted by nick2
My spelling and grammer are both terrible but I don't care, I'm more interested in what people have to say than wether or not they have spelt it correctly.

Nick, having seen a lot of your posts I'd say your grammar and spelling are at least in the top 20% of users on here.

Originally posted by nick2
My spelling and grammer are both terrible but I don't care, I'm more interested in what people have to say than wether or not they have spelt it correctly.

A fair point, except that it's a lot less distracting, and far easier, to take in what someone is trying to say if you're not stumbling all over bad spelling and grammar.
If you're trying to impress, either with your great wit, or in a CV, or a job application, you won't get anywhere near as far if you don't appear to have at least a basic grasp of grammar and spelling.
:D

If it was realy important, like a CV, I would use a spelling/grammer checker.

As this is not a formal forum, I don't see the problem as long as people's posts are readable. Everyone has different levels of literacy; it's unfair to criticise just because you know better.

To be fair, I think that although people admitted that bad grammar was annoying them, some of us were just trying to make the rules a little clearer for ourselves and each other. In the other thread that was the case, at least. Some people want to know the right way of spelling or using this and that...it was a happy little repository of grammatical information, lol.

;)

Originally posted by nick2
If it was realy important, like a CV, I would use a spelling/grammer checker.

Yes in principle, but even they get it wrong!

One of my pet hates (as mentioned in previous threads) is people saying 'bored of' and 'fed up of'. It should be 'bored with' 'fed up with'.

Type it into a word doc and the grammar check doesn't pick it up. How bad is that!

Originally posted by cosywolf
To be fair, I think that although people admitted that bad grammar was annoying them, some of us were just trying to make the rules a little clearer for ourselves and each other. In the other thread that was the case, at least. Some people want to know the right way of spelling or using this and that...it was a happy little repository of grammatical information, lol.

;)

That is quite fair; if someone asks for grammatical advice. However, all too often, grammar is picked up on, purely for the sake of belittling someone else. Quite often used in conjunction with another unrelated argument. I think that is quite un-necessary. It's the equivalent of using your knowledge of quantum mechanics against someone in an argument about the price of fish. It's just not relevant in making a point against the other person's argument.

Originally posted by Andy78
That is quite fair; if someone asks for grammatical advice. However, all too often, grammar is picked up on, purely for the sake of belittling someone else. Quite often used in conjunction with another unrelated argument. I think that is quite un-necessary. It's the equivalent of using your knowledge of quantum mechanics against someone in an argument about the price of fish. It's just not relevant in making a point against the other person's argument.

I agree. Changing the subject when you're having a debate/heated discussion/all-out row means you're losing and you've had to resort to nit picking about something unrelated to make yourself feel superior. Picking on grammar in the middle of an unrelated argument is a pretty clear indication you should just give up - you've lost.

So stop it if you do it! :nono: You give grammar a bad name! :P

Cosy :D

Although other users bad spelling or illiteracy can annoy me, I get confused with 'there' and 'their' I even printed out Cosy wolfs easy way to remember the difference ages ago, and I still can't remember.
Can I submit the excuse that I missed around 30% of my schooling as a child? (True)

Originally posted by Hels
PLEASE!

Doesn't anyone know the difference between 'there' and 'their'??????

OK it's late, and it is the one thing that irritates me more than most, but it is BASIC GRAMMAR!!!!!


Cant be bothered to read everyone elses messeges, so just incase it hasnt be clearly explained...

Their - Used in sentances such as 'Their going out'. Refers to someone or something. Another example - 'their pen'

There - Used in terms of places/distances. Eg 'can you see over there?'

:D

Originally posted by _Fate_
Cant be bothered to read everyone elses messeges, so just incase it hasnt be clearly explained...

Their - Used in sentances such as 'Their going out'. Refers to someone or something. Another example - 'their pen'

There - Used in terms of places/distances. Eg 'can you see over there?'

:D

Err, not quite. 'They're going out' as in they are going out. Unless you meant 'their going out caused problems for the babysitter'.

Other minor errors:

elses = else's
messeges = messages
incase = in case
hasnt = hasn't
be = been
sentances = sentences
eg = e.g.

Unless, of course, you were being ironic in which case I apologise.

Originally posted by _Fate_
Cant be bothered to read everyone elses messeges, so just incase it hasnt be clearly explained...

Their - Used in sentances such as 'Their going out'. Refers to someone or something. Another example - 'their pen'

There - Used in terms of places/distances. Eg 'can you see over there?'

:D

"Their" denotes possession - "It is their house".
"There" usually refers to a place - "It is over there".
"They're" is a contraction of "they" and "are" - "They are going out".

Comprendé?

Originally posted by t020
"Their" denotes possession - "It is their house".
"There" usually refers to a place - "It is over there".
"They're" is a contraction of "they" and "are" - "They are going out".

Comprendé?

Surely, this is simple stuff - the standards of education are slipping, in my view.

Alex

Originally posted by amhudson119
Surely, this is simple stuff - the standards of education are slipping, in my view.

Alex

It should be simple stuff but unfortunately grammar, spelling and punctuation are low down on the priority list in education these days. I remember in English coursework and exams at school they only constituted about 4-5% of the full mark so the incentive to learn and use them correctly isn't really high. The result of this policy is all over this forum to see.

I reply to posts to try an help or have a quick message to someone, I dont run my post through a spell checker or anything an some errors may exist. If people dont wanna see this feel free to use the ignore feature.

Originally posted by PENGUIN
I dont run my post through a spell checker or anything

Neither do I.

I'm not criticising people who don't use English properly on these forums, I'm criticising the education system that implies that grammar, spelling and punctuation are of little importance.

I'm with you on that t020.

When I'm embroiled in multiple conversations in threads, I ditch the capitals and clip my sentences. I don't check my typing either when I'm in a hurry. I would hope I never post stuff that needs re-reading three times, or means something other than I intended (and don't refer to the cars and houses thing, t020)

Originally posted by t020
"Their" denotes possession - "It is their house".
"There" usually refers to a place - "It is over there".
"They're" is a contraction of "they" and "are" - "They are going out".

Comprendé?

Well said, that's how I would have put it too. It shocks me how many kids these days at schools doing A-Levels and even some of my friends at uni don't know when to use they're/there/their etc. Blair's literacy hours aren't really having much of an impact I see? :hihi:

Originally posted by max
Err, not quite. 'They're going out' as in they are going out. Unless you meant 'their going out caused problems for the babysitter'.

Other minor errors:

elses = else's
messeges = messages
incase = in case
hasnt = hasn't
be = been
sentances = sentences
eg = e.g.

Unless, of course, you were being ironic in which case I apologise.

Love it! :clap: How can he / she have said it? We all do typos now and again, but this is just silly! :D

Originally posted by Draggletail
Can I submit the excuse that I missed around 30% of my schooling as a child? (True)

Absolutley; me too! I had 35% attendnce on my last year!

I never liked it...

K x

I'm desparately rubbish at geography




to the point of embarrasment :blush:

I never know where anything on the news is taking place. I was too busy figuring out how stuff works and getting dirty to concern myself with places I had no intention of ever going to.

Originally posted by Kristian
Absolutley; me too! I had 35% attendnce on my last year!

I never liked it...

K x
It was Illness with me :( Asthmatic child :( The drugs didn't work :(
Fit as a fiddle now, though:)

Originally posted by Hels
PLEASE!

Doesn't anyone know the difference between 'there' and 'their'??????

OK it's late, and it is the one thing that irritates me more than most, but it is BASIC GRAMMAR!!!!!

This really irritates me too...

I did notice, some months ago now, that the menu outside Aunt Sallies has the incorrect use of "their" instead of "there".