It occurs to me a court could sentence a person found guilty of a serious crime to three doses of Fennings Fever Mixture every day for, say, six months. That should make them behave.

Why? does it give them diahorrea? if so, I am all for it, I would like to see one of these criminal's run. He He. :lol: :D

At a certain dosage it would! No, the point is the stuff tasted absolutely foul. I say tasted because it's not made any more, been made into a tablet. I was given it every day when I was nine, later found out is was the wrong treatment for my fever!

just drop them in the sea

HEAR! HEAR! :lol:

Bring back the Stocks and humiliate them, it would be a better deterrent than the holiday camps...I mean prisons !
Or better still make them do a bit of hard labour, 12 hours a day 7 days a week, that would cut down the number of re-offenders !

murders...........hang em

thieves............public humiliation (stocks as said above)

rapists............off with the goolies

suicide bombers.......err:confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by kirky
suicide bombers.......err:confused: :confused: :confused:

turned into Sausage McMuffins ?

I'm so glad none of you lot actually have any powers to do anything.

AS I've suggested before why dont you suggest that anyone found guilty of any crime is put to death? Is that the sort of world you want to live in?

Originally posted by Yodameister
I'm so glad none of you lot actually have any powers to do anything.

AS I've suggested before why dont you suggest that anyone found guilty of any crime is put to death? Is that the sort of world you want to live in?

I think perhaps some people are having a laugh.

Yeah I guess so. I'm fairly sure some of them aren't, unless they have been permanently having a laugh on several different threads.

I have convinced myself that people can't realy think some of the things they suggest would ever become reality, it would be like living in the dark ages again, so I assume they are having a laugh.

It would be scarey to think there are people walking around who would bring back this kind of stuff. The "what would you do as prime minister" thread was quite worrying.

The problem with society today is its run by the PC brigade and social workers. If you really want things to change for the better then we need tough action now, but I doubt it will happen.

The crims will still have an easy life. the social workers will continue to bleet about how the crims have never had a chance in life etc. As for the PC Brigade, when we have finally drowned in every crack pot cause and idea they can come up with, it will be to late.

Originally posted by Yodameister
I'm so glad none of you lot actually have any powers to do anything.

AS I've suggested before why dont you suggest that anyone found guilty of any crime is put to death? Is that the sort of world you want to live in?

yes

murders...........hang em

Were the civilised ones m8, let them rot in prison, preferably in isolation.



thieves............public humiliation (stocks as said above)

yeah, OK agree with this one - sort of.

rapists............off with the goolies

as first point - but let the husband/boyfriend/dad have 10 minutues first.

suicide bombers.......err

as with all of things above, there is no black and white IMO. WTF drives someone to blow themselves up?? Dont think we can really understand what these people have had to live with for most of thier lives.

Mat:thumbsup:

i agree with the holiday camp mention - its ridiculous, playstations, pool tables - takes the P***
and all this "lets talk to them" stuff!?!?! yeah right, we know right from wrong, do the crime, do the time.
when it comes to murder/sex offences etc.... i am sometimes on the side of "an eye for an eye"

Originally posted by GrahamY
At a certain dosage it would! No, the point is the stuff tasted absolutely foul. I say tasted because it's not made any more, been made into a tablet. I was given it every day when I was nine, later found out is was the wrong treatment for my fever! that might have been bad but when i was a kid i had to go to leopold street clinic and two big buggers used to hold me down and shove malt extract down my throat,the evil gits would wait while i threw up then dose me again,even years on when i used to drink in the wicker the smell of malt used to make me feel sick,any oldies remember the malt treatment?

how did my post end up here? i was repliying to grahams post,but while im here.....get rid of the softies.give the scum a rough time and they wont reaffend,im at the age where i remember when you could get the birch for some offences, never heard of one that went back for seconds..

wrap barbed wire round each hand and make them watch endless porn

Then shoot them

or force them to become a member of the Countdown crowd for eternity

Make them split, bare, and then re-cover all the electricity wires and cables in the country so that we can all enjoy improved, pure electricity.

Luxury.

Originally posted by stoatboy
wrap barbed wire round each hand and make them watch endless porn

Then shoot them

or force them to become a member of the Countdown crowd for eternity aaarggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! even the krays didnt do that,unfortunately!!!!!!!!!!!

No, the idea of Countdown as punishment will not do. Many offenders would derive great pleasure from being part of the audience for this television programme. Many men would relish the prospect of viewing the lissom and curvacious Carol Vorderman's bottom from close up. I know I would. It would be worth breaking the law for.

Pinishments in the courts & prisons do not give proper justice to the victims of crime.Or take into account the effects on the victims of crimes.Judges all have a great deal of power,but seem unable to dish it out for some reason.Lack of guts? afraid of dogooders opinions?.Who knows.Sod em all,GIVE THE LOW LIFES WHAT THEY DESERVE.Before they mug, hurt or kill somone else.Who cares ,they derserve all thet get .I dont feel sorry for them. They should put them all on an island together an let them get on with it. And if that makes me evil then i can live with that.





One of my own family, ayoung man , had his life taken from him by a drunken bully 2 years ago, he was hurting no one, but bullies are bullies they dont care.We live a life sentence of what that mann did.His sentence 4 years,home after 2yrs 6mths.Who got the hardest sentence us or him? British Justice sucks!

One idea that would solve crime over night; build fifty foot walls around council estates! :suspect:

Excellent Idea!!!!!

Then everyone would realise that they cant blame crime and antisocial behaviour on our areas.

Mat:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Yodameister
I'm so glad none of you lot actually have any powers to do anything.

AS I've suggested before why dont you suggest that anyone found guilty of any crime is put to death? Is that the sort of world you want to live in?

No, of course not. We all want to live in a world exactly as it is where criminals are either let off and told not to be naughty, given some nice community service, which will obviously stop them ever mugging pensioners again, or given a nice cosy stay in hotel with all mod cons at the taxpayers expense. I can't understand who wouldn't want to live in a world like that, can you?

Originally posted by mat1978
Excellent Idea!!!!!

Then everyone would realise that they cant blame crime and antisocial behaviour on our areas.

Mat:rolleyes:

That was a joke :rolleyes: Although it worked on the West Bank..... No wait a minute .... It was a ****ing disaster!!! :(

A friend of mine was put away for assaulting another soldier (they were both seargents in the army). Despite pleading not guilty and protesting he acted in self defense he ended up doing 8 months in prison and missed his wedding due to it. I was there and I saw the other guy take a bottle from the bar and approach D in a manner suggesting he was going to use it. D hit him once.

The testamony that sealed his fate was from an "independant" witness who later turned out to be the other blokes mistress !
When this came to light he got an appeal through and had the conviction quashed.

The point of this is that the experience of being in prison, even for an experienced soldier who really could look after himself, changed him forever.
He started drinking heavily and did become violent on occasions. He confided in me and started on anti-depressants and had councilling. He was never the same again and his marrige has now fell apart and I have lost touch with him.

So these notions of prison being a holiday camp are ******** for a start. And before we make any harsh changes in how prisoners should be treated remember that we don't always convict the right people.

Originally posted by miniminch
One idea that would solve crime over night; build fifty foot walls around council estates! :suspect:

What, and risk all the bricks getting nicked?

Re the last post

It must be terrible to be put in prison when you are innocent of a crime and the fact that you know you are not guilty is going to mess with your head big time.

As for little Tommy scum bag who already has a record as long as your arm them I am afraid in my book its time to adopt a more severe form of punishment.

Sorry Re the last post but one.

Originally posted by kilauea
A friend of mine was put away for assaulting another soldier (they were both seargents in the army). Despite pleading not guilty and protesting he acted in self defense he ended up doing 8 months in prison and missed his wedding due to it. I was there and I saw the other guy take a bottle from the bar and approach D in a manner suggesting he was going to use it. D hit him once.

The testamony that sealed his fate was from an "independant" witness who later turned out to be the other blokes mistress !
When this came to light he got an appeal through and had the conviction quashed.

The point of this is that the experience of being in prison, even for an experienced soldier who really could look after himself, changed him forever.
He started drinking heavily and did become violent on occasions. He confided in me and started on anti-depressants and had councilling. He was never the same again and his marrige has now fell apart and I have lost touch with him.

So these notions of prison being a holiday camp are ******** for a start. And before we make any harsh changes in how prisoners should be treated remember that we don't always convict the right people.


You are D aren't you?:suspect:

Originally posted by Seadiver
Re the last post

It must be terrible to be put in prison when you are innocent of a crime and the fact that you know you are not guilty is going to mess with your head big time.

As for little Tommy scum bag who already has a record as long as your arm them I am afraid in my book its time to adopt a more severe form of punishment.

Agreed. Repeat offenders should be treated differrently.

Mini - no 'D' was my oldest friend from shcool who i followed into the army.
I was best man at his wedding and still speak to his wife who has suffered also - thankfully rebuilding her life in spain now.
So yeah, its not just the person doing the time that is affected in cases such as these.

Re. the thread title - it is amazing that prison is still the best thing we can come up with in 2004.
I don't agree with fines for any crime myself as it sort of ligitimises crime if you can afford it.
I don't agree with death sentance under any circumstances - not that I don't think some people deserve it - just don't think its right for the state to be killing its own subjects. Again, it ligitimises killing if you believe someone deserves it.
I don't know what the answer is. Don't suppose we could get away with sending them all off to another australia could we?

Originally posted by miniminch
That was a joke :rolleyes: Although it worked on the West Bank..... No wait a minute .... It was a ****ing disaster!!! :(

I know m8, my reply was tongue in cheek:P

Mat:D

Seadiver, your reference to the above gentleman and his friends made me think. I am tired of left wing types bleating on about how, "PWISON DOESN'T WOOORK!"I beg to differ. It certainly does work in the sense that it incarcerates the feral, vicious genetic refuse that prey upon their fellow creatures. We need more prisons, not less, and we need to pay the Prison Officers higher wages. I am usually against any form of higher taxation [being a paleo-conservative], but I would not object to paying a bit more in that direction. Little Tommy Scumbag, as you so amusingly call him [and he has a sister too, don't forget...] is usually impervious to any attempts to reform his behaviour, and is mostly beyond redemption. He will see kindness as weakness, and never be able to resist his sociopathic desire for instant gratification. Prison does work! It keeps the likes of Tommy [the ones we've caught...] away from the gentler, law-abiding majority. We don't need an alternative...

Oh I don't know Timo. I agree its good to keep them out of the way but we can't do that forever. There must be some way of rehabilitating *some* offenders.
I am not too happy for my Tax to be spent just hiding the problem. I would rather it be spent tackling the root of crime (why do people do it? I don't so what makes another man steal/kill/rape etc).

Whatever the reaon some people rape , kill,steal?. who knows.The mojority of us dont.we know its wrong and deep down inside is that little voice( called a concience & a sense of decency that stops us doing these things) , so i dont really give a s**t what the excuse is ,they all have to be evil b******s,to be able to do what they do, sleep at night and carry on with life as if theyve done nothing wrong.And the worst bit is this scum thinks we should feel sorry for them & that we owe them a decent life.


Cant sympathise, wont symathise with them, no excuses, give them what they deserve, that way there will be a bit more fresh air for the rest of us.

Tatoo - you might be right and we can not reverse the behaviour of those that have already fell into a life of crime (I don't know for sure, I'm not a criminal psychologist). But then surely it would make sense to spend some cash trying to stop people becoming crims in the first place.

In fact lets face it. We all know why most people steal - cos they don't have money to buy things society tells them they should have. I know I was caught shoplifting as a child because my parents could not afford to buy me the stuff the kids at school had. Thankfully I learnt my lesson and haven't been in bother since.

We live in a world that is constantly telling us what matearial possesions you need to have and the fact is a lot of the population can not afford it. In the worst cases this leads to crime. At best it drives people mad with stress trying to keep up. The gap between the haves and have-nots is widening and I can't see an end in sight.

Sometimes I wish a bomb could drop and even us all out again.

You are right Kilauea, in everything you said. I suppose i have let my personal experience harden me in some ways.

Thankyou for your comments.All true but not cruel or unkind.

i know someone who was put away for something he didnt do, he was advised to say he did it, cos he would only get comm service. 3 months he spent inide. and the person who did do it didnt even say "thanks for keeping ur mouth shut". i wish there was a way to check whether someone is guilty or not.
what about all those women that went down for "shakin babies" and now the evidence that sent em down is being questioned.
anyone who hurts a child or kills a child, should be hung drawn and quartered - but what if they really are innocent!! it troubles me

A lot of people go to prison for things they havnt done, simply because they are afraid of what the person who has done it will do to them if they "GRASS".

Originally posted by kirky
yes

great idea - anyone caught doing 31 in a 30mph - on the spot lethal injections; underage drinkers - death by firing squad; using your employers telephone to make a personal call - gas chamber; litter bugs - behead 'em...oh, wait a minute, there's no one left...