ive been sterilized for medical reasons
After listening to a radio advertisment late last year, I decided to find out a lttle more about how I can help other couples feel the joy of children.

Its a long and complicated process. It involes quite a few IVF injections, (with it comes the menopausal mood swings, flushes etc).



Its purley selfish because its made me feel so good about myself.



Could you do it?
Would you do it?

Any babies born wont be my children. Im just the donor, they just have my genes. They will ahve their own mother and father, who went thru hell to get them.







If you think you could too then heres the number:

Leeds General Infirmary: 0113 3922783.

The only reward is that warm amazing feeling that you have made someones life complete.

Go girl - I saw in a mag last week about a woman who goes shopping with a big notice on her back asking for egg donations.

Do it and rest easy that St Peter will open the gates for you!

The more people talk about it thee more women will come forward.

Absolutely - if you can offer your help to people less fortunate then it is always a good thing to do so...

...as long as that person in need is not a 66 year old woman wanting to get pregnant!

Withdrawn due to changing nature of the thread.

good on you, although i personally would like to see infertile couples adopt more.

I have got plenty of fertilizer if any ones interested. :)

Im sure they need sperm donors too.

Im sure they need sperm donors too.

I

I think its really good that youre doing this. Even if it if for selfish reasons as you say im sure whoever benefits will be more than glad you decided to do this.

If just one other person steps forward to do it, then its worth the flack.

Originally posted by saxon76tr
I am sure you can do that as well in your PROfession. Dont try to make people think you are a do gooder!
WE know you for what you are.

The PROfesion you talk about does a good service saxon, and should be legalised.

Its the oldest proffesion in the book and there are worse jobs out there, tax man, traffic warden, taxi driver, all robbing gits

What are you on about?

I dont think you should bother. If women cant have kids then so be it. We shouldnt be messing around with nature.

REMEBER.... Its a privelidge to have kids NOT a right.....

Will the benefitors of your donation know what "profession" the biological mother of their future children had? Not trying to dig, but it should definitely be something they know about.

Originally posted by t020
Will the benefitors of your donation know what "profession" the biological mother of their future children had? Not trying to dig, but it should definitely be something they know about.

Why !?

An egg is and egg is an egg (it's just atoms).

Unless you think that the donor's life style is somehow genetically passed on to the egg, then you may have a point. Do you think this !?

Originally posted by Jamie
Why !?

An egg is and egg is an egg (it's just atoms).

Unless you think that the donor's life style is somehow genetically passed on to the egg, then you may have a point. Do you think this !?

I'll readily admit to not being an expert in this field, but AFAIK, the people receiving the donated egg get to find out a lot of information regarding the donator (which will soon include full personal details). I'd imagine that if you were, in effect, having someone elses child, you'd want to know what kind of person the biological mother is?

Originally posted by t020
Will the benefitors of your donation know what "profession" the biological mother of their future children had? Not trying to dig, but it should definitely be something they know about.

Agreed. You don't want the child suing you in later life for mental trauma.

We shouldnt be messing around with nature.
So you are against contraception too?

REMEBER.... Its a privelidge to have kids NOT a right.....

I wouldn't have thought anyone prepared to go through the trauma of IVF would see a baby as anything other than a priviledge.

Originally posted by t020
I'll readily admit to not being an expert in this field, but AFAIK, the people receiving the donated egg get to find out a lot of information regarding the donator (which will soon include full personal details). I'd imagine that if you were, in effect, having someone elses child, you'd want to know what kind of person the biological mother is?

I can't see how what kind of person the biological mother is has a bearing on it ... unless it can be shown that her character can be passed on to the child.

Originally posted by Jamie
I can't see how what kind of person the biological mother is has a bearing on it ... unless it can be shown that her character can be passed on to the child.

Maybe you can't, but then again you've never been the benefitor of donated eggs. Many couples DO think it has a bearing on things, hence why details such as age, occupation, etc, of the donator are held for the benefitors to see.

Originally posted by Siân
So you are against contraception too?



I wouldn't have thought anyone prepared to go through the trauma of IVF would see a baby as anything other than a priviledge.

Sian, No Im not against contraception but thats differernt. By using contraception I am stopping something that is available to me - something that nature has intended me to use. By using IVF etc we are actively going against what nature has intended. (I know this sounds abit vague - but you get my point).

To your second point; If a woman cant have children, then unfortunately, that should be that. It is not their right to have one so why should they take up valuable medical resources trying?
As someone else said earlier, if they are so desperate then there are thousands of kids in the UK who live miserable lives in foster care - its just selfishness isnt it?

There are a lot of wonderful people on this planet who, through no fault of their own, are unable to conceive and go through the magical event that is childbirth.

I for one would happily donate one of my ovaries if it would help someone to have the family they've dreamed of. Trouble is, I'd have to be completely sure that the couple concerned had their hearts in the right place, because biologically, the child would be mine, and therefore, I'd have a responsibility.

What ARE you talking about?

Please stop doing this

Originally posted by Angeldevine
And what kind of person am I exactly?

I'm not sure thats the point - I get the feeling that its the fact that you would lie about your profession in order to "hoodwink" your way in.

I'm sure you would agree that if any couples found out you were a prostitute then a lot of them would think twice about using your eggs. Now if you were a lawyer there wouldnt be a problem.

I *think* that kids are born different - there is no 'tabula rosa' (blank slate). Under the speculated new legislation recipients of IVF etc will be subject to the same rules as those wanting to adopt, ie medical tests, criminal checks and emotional tests. I think if you are doing a job that is illegal you wouldnt be looked favourably upon - in fact you wouldnt be considered.

Do you think its right to bring a child up to experience the life of a (in your own words) working girl? Or would you stop this after becomeing pregnant?

Im not debating the rights and wrongs of prostitution just saying that its not ideal for a child to have to live with a parent who does it for a living.

Why can't everyone just stop judging each other?

So Angel is a prostitute. So What?

I'd much rather think that my child had the genes of a woman who is caring, can form a reasoned argument, and has a work ethic, than anyone else (regardless of occupation) who is not these things.

The sooner that prostitution is legalised and girls like Angel can provide their services legally, the better.

Incidentally I think what you are planning is a beautiful thing Angel; good luck to you! :clap:

K x

I don't see what the problem is - you're helping out others less fortunate and after all isn't it more about how a child is brought up? If a family can give a child love and support and a good life then why not donate? Although I have to point out it's infErtile not infUrtile (sorry, spelling mistakes irritate me!).

By using IVF etc we are actively going against what nature has intended.

Contraception is actively going against what nature intended too.

know this sounds abit vague - but you get my point It doesn't sound vague & yup I get your point just not your logic ;)

As someone else said earlier, if they are so desperate then there are thousands of kids in the UK who live miserable lives in foster care - its just selfishness isnt it?

By that token all people who choose to have their own children rather than foster or adopting existing ones are also selfish :)



I'm not sure thats the point - I get the feeling that its the fact that you would lie about your profession in order to "hoodwink" your way in.

I thought there was such a shortage of egg donors that it wasn't a case of anyone having to lie their way in. Is this the case Angel or did you just not disclose your employment for privacy's sake?

Originally posted by Siân

I thought there was such a shortage of egg donors that it wasn't a case of anyone having to lie their way in. Is this the case Angel or did you just not disclose your employment for privacy's sake?

She's mentioned on another thread that she lied.

She's mentioned on another thread that she lied.

I wasn't disputing that. I just asked whether her reasons for lying were :

1) it the only way she'd be allowed to donate (somehow I doubt it but thought I'd ask)

or

2) Privacy - ie not wanting any fatuous or negative comments.

Contraception is actively going against what nature intended too.

...but it isnt by direct medical intervention - there's a difference.


By that token all people who choose to have their own children rather than foster or adopting existing ones are also selfish

your probably right, I would go one step further though and I say, All Women (or men) should be sterilised at birth and when old enough - say 18+ they should undergo the type of checks that parents who want to adopt have to do (as mentioned above). If they pass they they can have the sterilisation reveresed and allowed to have children.


Is this the case Angel or did you just not disclose your employment for privacy's sake?

as a nice, active member of the community as I'm sure Angel is, her occupation is something that she doesnt mind banding around - i dont think she could argue about privacy

Originally posted by Angeldevine
So are you telling me that what you do for a living effects your genes?

Bless.

But ...... one's genes may affect what one does for a living!

Any babies born using your eggs will most certainly be your children, whether another set of parents are raising them or not.

The requirements to be an egg donor are very stringent. (I think one reason they make it so hard is to weed out all but the most determined donors)

This is taken from an agency in the US. Sort of 'egg brokers' if you will.

Of course there are age requirements. Cutoff is 33.

Personal information. I'm certain they would inquire about your occupation.

College Educated

Various ethnic backgrounds

Not overweight

Good family health history

NO family history of mental illness

NO family history of substance abuse

Artistic, althletic or musical ability preferred

Donors must undergo complete physical exam including full body MRI, infectious disease testing, including HIV, HTLV and STD's. Full genetic screening including testing for cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, polycystic kidney disease, etc.

And, two separate psychological screenings. One to ascertain the donor's general mental health, and one to ascertain the donor's level of comfort with and reasons for participation in the egg donor program.

Whew! That's alot of testing. lol

If genes are not important, why do they want college educated donors with artistic, athletic, or musical ability, no mental illness, no inherited diseases, and no substance abuse problems?

No different from the women seeking out Nobel Prize winner sperm.

They want smart babies!

Genes aren't everything. Sometimes the best genes can't overcome a bad environment. But the DNA contained in your eggs or sperm is who you are. And alot of traits (bad and good) get passed on.

Angeldevine, I think it shows a generosity of spirit on your part wanting to help someone. If you feel strongly about this, then certainly you should talk to these people. I noticed you said you had two teenagers. Have you discussed this with them, and if so, how do they feel about mom becoming an egg donor?

Best of luck to you, my dear.

:) Sierra

but it isnt by direct medical intervention - there's a difference.

You mean it doesn't require a surgical procedure (apart from the coil of course...)

All Women (or men) should be sterilised at birth and when old enough - say 18+ they should undergo the type of checks that parents who want to adopt have to do (as mentioned above). If they pass they they can have the sterilisation reveresed and allowed to have children.

There have been times (when dealing with children who've been abused &/or neglected) when I can't deny I've had similar fleeting thoughts but you sound scarily serious.



as a nice, active member of the community as I'm sure Angel is, her occupation is something that she doesnt mind banding around - i dont think she could argue about privacy

It was the only other reason I could think of why Angel might not disclose the information. There's a shortage of egg donors so I don't think people need to lie to be allowed to donate but I may be wrong.

If you can think of any other reasons I've not thought of then fair enough but I guess we'll have to wait for Angel herself to answer that to know for sure :)

There have been times (when dealing with children who've been abused &/or neglected) when I can't deny I've had similar fleeting thoughts but you sound scarily serious.

Sian, It was a little tongue in cheek but I am semi serious. If you remember what job I do - like you, I have come into contact with many many young people like this. If this could protect the vast majority of young people from the crimes of their parents then perhaps its not such a bad idea?

Working in this enviroment for a fair amount of time now I really do despair - I know in my heart of hearts its not 'right' but what else can we do?

Originally posted by Kristian
and has a work ethic,


HAHAHAHA! That made me laugh! Did you not read her thread earlier before it got pulled? How do you call quitting a job because of the long hours in order to .... lay on ones back for a "few hours a week" instead a good work ethic?!

Working in this enviroment for a fair amount of time now I really do despair

I should have recognised the sound of a head bashing against a brick wall. I understand where you are coming from & the frustration.

She's gone very quiet - oh wait its night-time!!

Anyway - At first i congratulated her on doing this until I found out her profession. Now this is the reaction that most prospective parents would express.

Her credentials could well include MBA's, degress etc but I have a feeling that soon as the fact she is a prostitute comes out then its "thanks but no thanks"

Should that stop her? I dont know - I dont agree with her line of work but she should at least be honest when asked in order to give people an informed choice.

Originally posted by t020
HAHAHAHA! That made me laugh! Did you not read her thread earlier before it got pulled? How do you call quitting a job because of the long hours in order to .... lay on ones back for a "few hours a week" instead a good work ethic?!

Hi,

I didn't see her previous thread. What I meant was that she works hard to provide for her family. She may now work less hours for more money, but surely if it was that easy then there would be more doing it - supply and demand?

Putting aside the legality of the situation (and as long as she is not working the streets it is generally not illegal!) I don't think anyone out there would turn down the opportunity to work less hours for more money - horses for courses!


K x

Originally posted by Kristian

Putting aside the legality of the situation (and as long as she is not working the streets it is generally not illegal!) I don't think anyone out there would turn down the opportunity to work less hours for more money - horses for courses!


K x


It is illegal to trade money for sex. Also, I think most people would turn down the opportunity in this case, legal or otherwise, because of the nature of the work. It takes a certain kind of person to be able to do that for money.

Is it just me or is this thread taking the same route as the one that was pulled?

Perhaps we could stay on track and keep the prostitute comments in keeping with the subject matter and not discuss the legalities/rights/wrongs of prostitution?

I wouldnt like to see this one eventually get pulled as well :thumbsup:

Originally posted by coopster1974
Is it just me or is this thread taking the same route as the one that was pulled?

Perhaps we could stay on track and keep the prostitute comments in keeping with the subject matter and not discuss the legalities/rights/wrongs of prostitution?

I wouldnt like to see this one eventually get pulled as well :thumbsup:


It is slightly off topic, but still related. The amount of information that is known by/ is relevant to the benefitors of egg/sperm donations is a hot topic at the moment due to the forthcoming change in legislation.

PS. AFAIK, the other topic got pulled because of idiots, not because of lively debate.

Here we go again....

Keep it on topic, don't drop down to personal slagging off.

Yes, previous thread got pulled because people didn't take the hint and just couldn't resist being personally insulting / abusive.

Please don't put me in a position of having to pull this thread as well.

Joe

What a lot of immature gumff is being posted on this thread.
If angel wants to donate eggs, then an eggs an egg as long as its genetically healthy.

I imagine the people who need to conceive will just be glad someone is generous enough to donate them. (Is this for money?).

Her profession is neither here nor there as long as the egg is healthy. The fact she is comfortable with her life choices, but the small boys amongst you are keen to make an issue of it speaks volumes for her and the same for the idiots.

Originally posted by 999tigger

Her profession is neither here nor there

Try telling that to prospective recipients - thats the whole point. I agree to an extent her profession has nothing to do with it. It the fact that she would lie about it. What else would she be dishonest about? Potentially fatal hereditary diseases?

She would quite happily lie through her teeth in order to get a warm rosy glow? Is that the kind of person you would accept an egg from? Be honest - dont come out with crap just to justify your post.

Well said coopster1974, you saved me the hassle of having to reply there. :)

The eggs will be genetically tested first.

Missed the bits about the lies. It depends what about.

Originally posted by coopster1974
Is that the kind of person you would accept an egg from?

Are you trying to say that her line of work is some genetic mutation that mustn't be allowed to procreate. Get real :loopy:

Back to original subject. I have thought about it in the past but i wouldn't do it now anonimity is being removed.

Previously discussed here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6156&perpage=15&pagenumber=2)