A few stories to show that muslims are NOT all bad and many in the UK can be proud of their achievements.

:thumbsup: Muslims rally to aid tsunami victims

By Elham Asaad Buaras

British Muslims have rallied in aiding the victims of the tsunami floods caused by an earthquake in the Indian Ocean on December 26. It is estimated that over 150,600 people have died in South, South East Asia and some parts of Eastern Africa, although the exact tally will probably never be known. It is also estimated that more than 5 million people have been left homeless.

Muslim charities were quick to react sending relief supplies to their workers on the ground, in some cases as quick as 48 hours of the disaster.
On New Year’s Eve, Muslim leaders used the first Friday prayers to appeal for donations. Over 500 mosques across the UK set up collections before and after prayers. Amongst those mosques appealing was the Sri Lankan run Masjidun Noor Community Centre in Harrow, North West London. Seven Muslim Sri Lankan organisations representing 40,000 Muslims used the centre to hold meetings and form an Emergency Distress Committee. They have set a £1million appeal target. By December 30.


:thumbsup: 14 Muslims recognised in New Years Honours

14 Muslims have been awarded in the New Years Honours, six fewer than last year. Two have been awarded an OBE, 9 are to receive MBEs and 3 are recipients of diplomatic and overseas services awards (one CBE, one OBE, and one Commonwealth award).


:thumbsup: Amir Khan was Britain's youngest Olympic boxer since 1976. He's still only 17 and has just won is first fight since Athens. Amir's father moved to the UK in 1970 from Pakistan. His son was born in Bolton on 8 December 1986. Who'd have thought what would be happening 17 years later?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1293219,00.html

I’d also like to add the doctor who saved my partners life by administering anti-biotics immediately when meningitis was only suspected. It saved their life and was against hospital policy at the time.
The doctor was a Muslim and an immigrant to this this country, strange how these are not the examples the ‘other’ the BNP exploit in their electioneering.

Also heres an article to prove that not ALL muslims are terrorists in some peoples eyes. Muslims around the world are trying very hard to dissassociate themselves with this image.

:thumbsup: Muslims Demand Terror Clerics be Silenced
by Robin Burk windsofchange.net

Over 2,500 Muslim intellectuals from 23 countries have signed a petition to the United Nations calling for an international treaty to ban the use of religion for incitement to violence. It also calls on the Security Council to set up a tribunal to try “the theologians of terror.” The petition is addressed to Secretary-General Kofi Annan, and to all members of the Security Council and its current chairman.

“There are individuals in the Muslim world who pose as clerics and issue death sentences against those they disagree with,” says Shakir Al-Nablusi, a Jordanian academic and one of the signatories. “These individuals give Islam a bad name and foster hatred among civilizations.”

While I'm not sure I like the idea of the UN deciding what can and cannot be preached, this might be a turning point for moderate Muslims:

Nablusi said hundreds of Arab writers and academics were collecting more signatures and hope to have “tens of thousands” by next month. Among those collecting signatures are Jawad Hashem, a former Iraqi minister of planning, and Alafif Al-Akdhar, a leading Tunisian writer and academic. Most of the signatories are from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states plus Iraq, Jordan and Palestine.
The signatories describe those who use religion for inciting violence as “the sheikhs of death”. Among those mentioned by name is Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian preacher working in Qatar. The signatories accuse him of “providing a religious cover for terrorism.” ....

“We cannot let such dangerous nonsense to pass as Islam,” Nablusi says.

The petition also names the late Egyptian preacher Muhammad Al-Ghazzali ... Other “sheikhs of death” mentioned include the Yemeni Abdul-Majid Al-Zendani, and the Saudis Ali bin Khudhair Al-Khudhair and Safar Al-Hawali. The two Saudis have described the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States as “retaliations”, and thus justified under Islamic law. ...

The signatories of the petition also want the UN to order its member states to stop broadcasting the “mad musings of the theologians of terror.”

It's significant that the signatories are Saudis or from other Arab states in the region. This is where Wahabism has been fostered and it's where serious opposition to Wahabism and Salafism most effectively will emerge. I doubt, though, that those who signed would have felt safe in so doing if the US and its allies had not demonstrated a willingness to oppose the force of terror with forceful response.

Oh yes . . . almost forgot this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/696697.stm

:thumbsup:

I don't see RoyJames posting a message on this thread - sorry couldnt resist. LOL

Wonder who could be responsible for islamophobia such as this . . .????:rolleyes:

http://www.islamic-foundation.org.uk/pressReleaseFinal.htm

Oh sorry to disapoint you but check this out.
http/www.wam.umd.edu/~stnright/rel/islam/britain-muslims.html
You see what were up against now dont you??
Or are you still in denial?

Even the Prince of Wales has remarked on the muslim communities in Britain.

More than 500 people attended a major awards ceremony in London to acknowledge the contribution of British Muslims into society in the United Kingdom. The guest speaker Prince Charles.

"The Muslims of this country continue to be an extraordinary asset to this nation..and I am delighted. Ladies and gentlemen, when I visit mosques or Muslim community centres across the country I continue to learn about the evolving heritage of a distinctly British Islam united by common values and a shared heritage; but also putting down firm roots in this country.
This community is loyal, hard working and full of vitality; it plays a huge part in the social cultural and economic well being of our nation. ranging from Councillor Lal Hussain, a local Mayor who has raised thousands of pounds in charity work.

To the very shy sisters Umaymah and Saadiyah Patel, who look after their older sister who suffers from cerebral palsy.

Warm recognition for both individual achievement and for the wider influence and importance of the Muslim community- to the social, cultural and economic fabrics of this nation."

Originally posted by royjames
Oh sorry to disapoint you but check this out.
http/www.wam.umd.edu/~stnright/rel/islam/britain-muslims.html
You see what were up against now dont you??
Or are you still in denial?

I clicked the link (purely morbid fascination) and it redirects to www.microsoft.com. Are you suggesting that the existence of Microsoft has some bearing on the validity of the stories put forward?

trying to find what he was referring to.
He's made a typo and its on:

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/britain-muslims.html

It's an article written for The Sunday Times in 2001 by Melanie Phillips who now works (I think) for the Daily Mail.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Originally posted by cgksheff
trying to find what he was referring to.
He's made a typo and its on:

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/britain-muslims.html

It's an article written for The Sunday Times in 2001 by Melanie Phillips who now works (I think) for the Daily Mail.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Hardly what you would call ballanced is it - her other 'articles' seem to be VERY pro-israel and anti islamic so I'm not sure I would cite her as a neutral observer of social and cultural events!

Still I suppose its just the sort of frothing diatribe that Roy et al would go for - oh the horror of a small handfull of muslims going to fight against the (morally extremely dubious) invasion of countries in the middle east - obviously this means the remaining 1.8 million muslims are all about to turn on us and destroy the country from the inside as all 1.8 million are of course identical in the way they think and act!

I'm sure that the vast majoirity of muslims ( and all races) in this country are good upstanding citizens. However what I find annoying is that if you there is any hint of criticism of these minority races you are immediately accused of being racist. Its about time some people grew up.

Originally posted by sanman
I'm sure that the vast majoirity of muslims ( and all races) in this country are good upstanding citizens. However what I find annoying is that if you there is any hint of criticism of these minority races you are immediately accused of being racist. Its about time some people grew up.

You've hit the nail on the head there :thumbsup:

Originally posted by sanman
I'm sure that the vast majoirity of muslims ( and all races) in this country are good upstanding citizens. However what I find annoying is that if you there is any hint of criticism of these minority races you are immediately accused of being racist. Its about time some people grew up.

I'm not sure thats entirely the case here. For a start we are talking about a religion rather than a race so strictly speaking it should be theism. But it certainly does seem to be the case that muslims are everyones favourite whipping boy at the moment. To an extent thats unavoidable, as when you are in an armed conflict with someone you have to demonise them to give some sort of moral credence to your position. My problem is that an extreme few are being used to tar a whole group of people - its much like saying that because of the IRA all christains are unstrustworthy and likely to blow you up in your beds...

Originally posted by sanman
I'm sure that the vast majoirity of muslims ( and all races) in this country are good upstanding citizens. However what I find annoying is that if you there is any hint of criticism of these minority races you are immediately accused of being racist. Its about time some people grew up.

Couldn't agree more. As far as I'm concerned, muslims in this country are British just like everyone from any other religion in this country. I have lived in the Middle East, have many good friends who are Muslims and I would like to think I have a better understanding of the religion than many other people in this country.

It really, really bugs me is when every criticism is called racism. Some Muslim boys (and I know they are Muslim, I know their families) were messing around outside my flat, and kept ringing the bells saying they had lost their keys when they don't even live there. Someone let them in anyway, and I went downstairs and told them to go away, because we had already been told by the managing agent to phone the police if people were trying to get in who didn't live there. I explained calmly and politely that they shouldn't be there, and that although it was cold, they should not be in the block.

A couple of days later, they tried it again, and I told them over the intercom that they shouldn't be there and could they please not keep doing it. I was subjected to a torrent of a abuse, being called (amongst other things) "a rascist white m...............)

It makes me really angry that the word rascism is thrown around so casually, and it means that eventually no-one will take any claims of racism seriously.

Originally posted by beckyaa
It really, really bugs me is when every criticism is called racism. Some Muslim boys (and I know they are Muslim, I know their families) were messing around outside my flat, and kept ringing the bells saying they had lost their keys when they don't even live there. Someone let them in anyway, and I went downstairs and told them to go away, because we had already been told by the managing agent to phone the police if people were trying to get in who didn't live there. I explained calmly and politely that they shouldn't be there, and that although it was cold, they should not be in the block.

A couple of days later, they tried it again, and I told them over the intercom that they shouldn't be there and could they please not keep doing it. I was subjected to a torrent of a abuse, being called (amongst other things) "a rascist white m...............)

It makes me really angry that the word rascism is thrown around so casually, and it means that eventually no-one will take any claims of racism seriously.

You got called a rascist by a group of teenage boys who were messing about . . . hmmmm.. that justifies your arguement that EVERY BIT OF CRITISISM turns EVERY muslim into a racist.

The only people who need to grow up IMO are the ones who criticise in the first place. If theres a grown up way of shouting racism then theres a grown up way of critisism.

Let me remind you - NOT EVERY MUSLIM IS OUT TO MURDER AND SLAUGHTER THE WHITE PEOPLE!!!

Where I live Muslims, Hindu's, Chinese, Jamaicans, Malaysians, Arabs . . . and believe it or not - Christian people ( pure english born - mainly white ) all live in peace and harmony with each other.
Everything that the BNP are out to destroy.

Lestat

Could you please point out where in beckyaa post it states that every bit of critisism turns every muslim into a rascist.

What I stated is that more often than not any critisism levelled at an individual or group from a minority group is responded with an accusation of racism.

No right thinking people need reminding that not very muslim is out to murder and slaughter the white people and you will not change the mind of the very few that think this way. Therefore, THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT!!

Originally posted by sanman
Lestat

Could you please point out where in beckyaa post it states that every bit of critisism turns every muslim into a rascist.

What I stated is that more often than not any critisism levelled at an individual or group from a minority group is responded with an accusation of racism.

No right thinking people need reminding that not very muslim is out to murder and slaughter the white people and you will not change the mind of the very few that think this way. Therefore, THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT!!

Lordy!

Both sides have a point here.

Lestat's right that there are times when people seem to lump all Muslims together.

But on the other hand there are times when I think that some minorities need a reality check.

Take for example the reaction from the representatives of the Musilm faith schools that an official body recently labelled as "failing". To listen to the reactions from the parents and educators from the school one would think that official bodies had no authority to act in regard to their performance.

We need balance and rational outlooks from all parties, too many people cry racism on one side and pc-thuggery on another.

Originally posted by Lestat
You got called a rascist by a group of teenage boys who were messing about . . . hmmmm.. that justifies your arguement that EVERY BIT OF CRITISISM turns EVERY muslim into a racist.

No, of course it doesn't turn every Muslim into a racist. It means that anybody, whatever their background, can be racist. According to them, I am the racist. I would have told them to go away no matter what religion or race they were, but it then gets twisted into me being racist. They may have been messing about, but I am concerned that they are part of the future of this country.

[/B] The only people who need to grow up IMO are the ones who criticise in the first place. If theres a grown up way of shouting racism then theres a grown up way of critisism.

Let me remind you - NOT EVERY MUSLIM IS OUT TO MURDER AND SLAUGHTER THE WHITE PEOPLE!!! [/B]

I think you are being just a bit melodramatic. Who exactly has tried to suggest that they are?

What way of criticism would you suggest that would be acceptable an "grown up"?

[/B] Where I live Muslims, Hindu's, Chinese, Jamaicans, Malaysians, Arabs . . . and believe it or not - Christian people ( pure english born - mainly white ) all live in peace and harmony with each other. [/B]

I think you are very lucky, and before this incident I had always considered I had lived in peace and harmony with my neighbours too.

Originally posted by beckyaa

I think you are very lucky, and before this incident I had always considered I had lived in peace and harmony with my neighbours too.

Why let one small silly incident like this turn your view?? The world is a big place with a variety of people, living different lives and reacting differently to all sorts of situations. You'll find 99.9% of muslims in the uk are good, honest, hard-working and kind people.

Have you ever been abroad to a muslim country? Turkey, Morrocco, Egypt, India etc or anywhere in Africa. . how did you find the hospitality of the locals there?? I have lots of muslim friends and the kindness I felt abroad is the same in every household here.

Don't judge all by a few muslim-chavs!! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Lestat
Why let one small silly incident like this turn your view?? The world is a big place with a variety of people, living different lives and reacting differently to all sorts of situations. You'll find 99.9% of muslims in the uk are good, honest, hard-working and kind people.

Have you ever been abroad to a muslim country? Turkey, Morrocco, Egypt, India etc or anywhere in Africa. . how did you find the hospitality of the locals there?? I have lots of muslim friends and the kindness I felt abroad is the same in every household here.

Don't judge all by a few muslim-chavs!! :thumbsup:

No, I agree, it shouldn't and hasn't turned my view of Muslims at all, just upsets me. I know that racism is still a genuine problem for many people in this country, and as sanman said , criticism levelled at a minority is often met with claims of racism but in this case the minority I was aiming at was a group of teenage boys, and still got called a racist!

As I said in my original post, I used to live in the Middle East (for 3 years) and have traveled there and in North Africa quite etensively (the UAE, Jordan, Bahrain, Oman, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco). I lived in Dubai, and still have a lot of friends from/in the area, and found (on the whole, teenage boys sometimes the exception!) the people there to be kind, generous and welcoming.

So no, my views have not been changed, just wish more communities were as happy as yours sounds!:bigsmile:

Sadly beckyaa's experience is symptomatic of the increasingly hyper-sensitive nature of community relations in UK these days. That a group of Asian boys admonished for mis-behaviour by a white person should honestly believe they are the victims of racism is unlikely to be true, but these boys obviously know how to play the 'racist' card...and we have to wonder who is to blame for that.

How do we deal with people who use the language of victimhood when they're not in fact being victimised ?

There's an interesting article in the current issue of Prospect magazine by Kenan Malik which gives a sober and dispassionate [I think] view of Islamophobia in UK, - worth a read if you're really interested in the subject.

http://prospectmagazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=6679

Originally posted by evildrneil
its much like saying that because of the IRA all christains are unstrustworthy and likely to blow you up in your beds...

The IRA are catholic.

Originally posted by jonsastar
The IRA are catholic.

And? Catholicism is a major subsect of christianity.

Many people seem to happily lump all muslims together without taking acount of the fact there are numerous sects and sub groups...

Originally posted by evildrneil
And? Catholicism is a major subsect of christianity.

Many people seem to happily lump all muslims together without taking acount of the fact there are numerous sects and sub groups...

Your point being what?

Sunny and Shiite fight like cat and dog as well dont they?

Only they have more weapons.

Why dont all you people who think that Muslims are so great join the religion go to a mosque and find out what the faith is really like, and when you actually speak urdo and can read the Koran and you have really mixed then come back and tell us about it, I for one would like to know what goes on behind closed doors.

And if it is really as great as you think then may be I will join you , but untill then dont try to speak up for somthing you know nothing about.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Your point being what?

Sunny and Shiite fight like cat and dog as well dont they?

Only they have more weapons.

His point being that most people are happy to throw around the term "Muslim" without qulaification, whilst the mere mention of the fact that there are terrorist groups associated with Christianity sparks the comment that they are tied to one particular sect of the religion.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Your point being what?

My point being you were differentiating catholics from christians when they are a subsect rather than a disparate group while happily lumping all muslims together.

And SOME shiite will fight SOME sunni but the different christian sects are hardly a glowing case for mutual tollerence and harmony are they?

I have read a lot about Northern Ireland as I found it an interesting subject, the fact that you didnt differentiate between Catholic and christian parts in the troubles only shows your own incompetence in speaking of somthing you know nothing about.

Where as I do know that Sunni and Shiite muslims are involved in fracas all over the world, it is also apparent that sunni muslims seem to be in the thick of the trouble more of the time.

Correct me if Im wrong.

I think we've gone a little off topic here, but I think religious differences are to blame for a lot of trouble in the word today......."We do not want churches because they will teach us to quarrel about god......." Chief Joseph Nez Perce

Originally posted by sanman
I think we've gone a little off topic here, but I think religious differences are to blame for a lot of trouble in the word today......."We do not want churches because they will teach us to quarrel about god......." Chief Joseph Nez Perce

A Catholic Missionary and a Cannibal Chief are debating religion and its influence on life; eventually they come round to the subject of killing one's fellow man.

"As I see it," says the Cannibal, "there are only two reasons to kill another man. The first is because you want his land, cattle or women."

"Ah, but God teaches us that stealing and lusting after another man's possesions is wrong," counters the Missionary.

"Hm," nods the Cannibal, "the second reason is of course when you want to eat a man's flesh."

"My religion teaches that this also is wrong," replied the Missionary.

"Well," laughed the Cannibal, "I would love to visit your homeland; as you have nor reason to kill another man it must be a land of peace and harmony!"

Originally posted by jonsastar
I have read a lot about Northern Ireland as I found it an interesting subject, the fact that you didnt differentiate between Catholic and christian parts in the troubles only shows your own incompetence in speaking of somthing you know nothing about.
.
Correct me if Im wrong.

If your are Catholic you are by definition christian - being brough up in a catholic family and attending a catholic school I think I probably know at least a little about it.

Anyway, consider yourself both wrong and corrected :)

To get back on track, I believe that the majority of muslims are good people.

But the muslims of this country need to take the walls down a bit and stop mugging drunks.

Originally posted by evildrneil
If your are Catholic you are by definition christian - being brough up in a catholic family and attending a catholic school I think I probably know at least a little about it.

Anyway, consider yourself both wrong and corrected :)

I am not wrong, and there fore not corrected.

If you dont know what your talking about keep it to your self thanks.:)

Originally posted by jonsastar
I am not wrong, and there fore not corrected.

If you dont know what your talking about keep it to your self thanks.:)

So you can be catholic and not christian?????

Originally posted by jonsastar
I am not wrong, and there fore not corrected.

If you dont know what your talking about keep it to your self thanks.:)

No, really, you are wrong. Both of the waring sides in Northern Ireland are Christians.

Originally posted by evildrneil
So you can be catholic and not christian?????

I never said that any where,

what I said was the IRA are Catholic.

So Catholocism is an offshoot of Christianity (which is probably an offshoot of the muslim religion).

Whats your point?

all catholics are Christians.

All religions are rubbish imo and people use them to cause trouble

I cannot believe that people would believe that all Muslims are bad (or the majority of them)

All religions have fundamentalists (look at Christians in the US for example) who do not represent their religion's beliefs or tenets.

Religions is just an excuse to hate someone/have a fight.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Why dont all you people who think that Muslims are so great join the religion go to a mosque and find out what the faith is really like, and when you actually speak urdo and can read the Koran and you have really mixed then come back and tell us about it, I for one would like to know what goes on behind closed doors.

You know, I'd love to be able to join this thread and do so, but I fail one of your above criteria. I don't speak Urdu!

:( or maybe :D depending on your point of view.


Originally posted by jonsastar
And if it is really as great as you think then may be I will join you , but untill then dont try to speak up for somthing you know nothing about.

That's all I need - another Middle East 'expert' on the forum dictating my faith to me :roll:

Originally posted by jonsastar
But the muslims of this country need to take ... stop mugging drunks.

Careful - any more tips like that and you might make Home Secretary.

Originally posted by Abdul
You know, I'd love to be able to join this thread and do so, but I fail one of your above criteria. I don't speak Urdu!

:( or maybe :D depending on your point of view.




That's all I need - another Middle East 'expert' on the forum dictating my faith to me :roll:

Nice one Abdul :thumbsup:

They will be telling me The Pope's catholic next :rolleyes:

Toall those who feel the muslim community are so nice I suggest you look in todays times newspaper and then come back and say all is roses.

Originally posted by royjames
Toall those who feel the muslim community are so nice I suggest you look in todays times newspaper and then come back and say all is roses.

Why? Have some Asylum Seekers been complaining of the cold weather?

Originally posted by jonsastar
and when you actually speak urdo and can read the Koran

the Koran is written in Arabic. It has been translated (often incorrectly) into Urdu.

Originally posted by royjames
Toall those who feel the muslim community are so nice I suggest you look in todays times newspaper and then come back and say all is roses.

to those who thing white British people are nice I suggest you look at the various threads on this forum about white drunken morons casusing trouble.

The Muslim community isn't so nice and neither is any other community in the UK. Due to its position in the UK it does tend to be very tight and often secretive. Looking after ones own interests can often be misinterpreted.

The only way we ALL learn to live together happily is to get full integration. Not white areas of the UK with hardly any ethnic minority population or ethnic minorites living in groups.

A freind from London I met at uni had never had any white friends before going there. How can this be? It is so wrong and can only be detrimental.

Originally posted by Abdul
Careful - any more tips like that and you might make Home Secretary.

Sorry about that Abdul, got abit carried away.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Why dont all you people who think that Muslims are so great join the religion go to a mosque and find out what the faith is really like, and when you actually speak urdo and can read the Koran and you have really mixed then come back and tell us about it, I for one would like to know what goes on behind closed doors.

And if it is really as great as you think then may be I will join you , but untill then dont try to speak up for somthing you know nothing about.

Don't just assume we know nothing about it. Whilst I would hardly say Dubai is a typical example of a city in the Middle East, I was at school there, and travlled in the area a lot. I speak Arabic and have studied the Koran and the Shariah. I wouldn't say I was an expert on Islam in any way, and haven't had the same insight into communities in this country, but I'm sure many of the people putting their views forward on this topic are more knowledgeable than you think about the subject.

Toall those who feel the muslim community are so nice I suggest you look in todays times newspaper and then come back and say all is roses..

No community is all roses

to those who thing white British people are nice I suggest you look at the various threads on this forum about white drunken morons casusing trouble.

Robbie, well said, I agree with your whole post.

Originally posted by Abdul
You know, I'd love to be able to join this thread and do so, but I fail one of your above criteria. I don't speak Urdu!

:( or maybe :D depending on your point of view.


That's all I need - another Middle East 'expert' on the forum dictating my faith to me :roll:

Glad that some one who actually knows about the muslim faith has come in to the thread.

May be you can answer some question for me.

Why do Muslims in England keep themselves segregated from the rest of the country?

Why do some muslims feel the need to change languages when some one who is white comes along?

Why do some Muslim women have a fear of white men? is this somthing that is taught or is it a fear of what allah will do to them for fraternising with other cultures?

What would happen to me if I entered a mosque?

Originally posted by Snook
No, really, you are wrong. Both of the waring sides in Northern Ireland are Christians.

Yup - and I never claimed otherwise - what I originally said was that tarring all muslims with the brush of terrorist because of the actions of a few is roughly like calling all christians terrorists because of the actions of the IRA. That seems a pretty reasonable statement. The fact that the IRA are (nominally) catholic is immaterial - they are still christians.

However catholicism is hardly an offshoot of christianity, more a subset. And neither are offshoots af islam which was a later religion!

Originally posted by jonsastar
Why do Muslims in England keep themselves segregated from the rest of the country?


isn't that a bit of a generalisation?

Originally posted by sham71
isn't that a bit of a generalisation?

Its a genuine question, Muslims as far as I can see are the only people who do not mix with other groups, there is some what of a wall that is not penetrable by the outsider.

Originally posted by evildrneil
However catholicism is hardly an offshoot of christianity, more a subset. And neither are offshoots af islam which was a later religion!

Well the idea wasnt born over here thats for sure.

Orginally posted by Robbie

The only way we ALL learn to live together happily is to get full integration. Not white areas of the UK with hardly any ethnic minority population or ethnic minorites living in groups.


Absolutely spot on:clap:

Originally posted by jonsastar
Its a genuine question, Muslims as far as I can see are the only people who do not mix with other groups, there is some what of a wall that is not penetrable by the outsider.

But this is part of the problem. Muslims come from many different countries. Muslims from some countries have integrated far more than others.

Arabs that I know have integrated far more than some Pakistanis for example. But I also know Pakistanis that have integrated.

Many English cities have a Chinatown - do you class that as not integrating?

I saw a post last week asking about Jewish areas - is that not integrating?

You say that Muslims are the only people that do not mix. I would argue that it is not ALL muslims and they are not the only group.

Sham 71

You are right some muslims do intergrate in to society, but the ones I have seen do this normally go and have a beer, which is one of the things that Islam does not allow, also these are people who come from a mixed background (the ones I know) which kind of leaves the point as these guys do not do Islam any more, even though there cousins and such do.

I have worked with a guy from somali land who was a Muslim, a nice guy to, he had seven children and about forty siblings, this was because his father had nine wives, a very friendly and funny guy who knew five languages, he wanted to go back to somaliland one day and invited me to go with him so his parents could eat me, (like I said he was funny).


I do think that there is a fear of loss of faith because of intergration, although there are a fair few young muslims who have taken on the drug culture of the English youth.

I cant really say much about the chinese in this country as there are not so many in Sheffield as , say liverpool, but I went to school with a half chinese guy and he was a nice guy with no secrets.

I dont really know that much about jewish people either, this could be because they dont wear the clothes that seperate them from the rest, Im not sure that Ive ever met a Jewish person if Im honest. (may be they learned to keep a low profile after what Hitler did)

Indians are generally friendly people, so cant say about those either.

Theres more but I dont want to go on.

But where ever there is huge culture clashes there tends to be trouble, and I for one hope never to see it on the streets of England, although its inevitable, all the same.