I just wondered if anyone saw or heard the gangs of kids friday night around the woodseats area. I work at chantrey house above the blue room and was opening up saturday morning, only to be welcomed by the fire alarm. It was only when I had discovered they had broke into our outside store room and shattered the fire alarm glass I had realised it was a false alarm.

The police told me they had several gangs out vandilising properties and smashing car windscreens.

Has anyone else heard anything on this matter. It wasn't so long ago that woodseats and the whole of S8 was a respectable area, but seems to be getting worse week by week.

And whats the solutin? Extra policing? Vigilantie measures? :loopy:

mantraps, thats a start

The amount of graffiti done in woodseats last night was the worse ever . I bet if they are caught they wont be from round here

& a Police station in Woodseats doesn't even deter them.

Its not really a police station any longer it is really only a section office for some cid and meal breaks , the proble is lack of police on the street - no in cars - it is taking 20 minites to get police to chesterfield road area when there is serious road accident

The amount of graffiti done in woodseats last night was the worse ever . I bet if they are caught they wont be from round here

what makes you think that? your kids are purfect and can do no wrong?

The amount of graffiti done in woodseats last night was the worse ever . I bet if they are caught they wont be from round here


Away day vandals,,,dam those day savers

what makes you think that? your kids are purfect and can do no wrong?


Factual evidence: when offenders or alleged are caught or questioned for offences in Woodseats : criminal damage , shop lifting or stop and check some 90% of those are not from the Woodseats area , indeed a recent shoplifting gang were from Barnsley , and they are regularly from the Sheffield 4 area , lowedges, greenhill and other areas most are from direct bus routes (yes I know barnsley isnt on a direct bus route)

Finally I can guarantee that my kids are absolutely perfect in every way possible as to the best of my knowledge I don’t have any.

what makes you think that? your kids are purfect and can do no wrong?

There's an old addage among the criminal fraternity, "never S**t on your own doorstep"

Some really are genuinely stupid & do get recognised in their own neighbourhood.


Others with a modicum of functioning grey matter will at least go as far as the next village to be nob heads

It would appear there as been another round of graffiti attacks in woodseats over saturday / sunday night, plus a utility building as been broken into - and yes it as been reported .

It would appear there as been another round of graffiti attacks in woodseats over saturday / sunday night, plus a utility building as been broken into - and yes it as been reported .

where exactly bus man? there was all sorts of noise down here last night, massive bang, loads of shouting, sounded pretty full on. thought it came from Athol Road by the PO at the bottom of Woodseats Road......

The graffiti is woodseats/holhirst road/ fraser estate

Yes part of my road was targeted. Cars and vans had been sprayed with paint and a neighbours fence had been broken. I have lived in Woodseats all my life and have beem proud to do so, its so sad to see it deteriorating. What can we do??

I got to watch a delightful chav show on friday night. We were woken up to the sounds of racist abuse coming from woodseats kebab, then saw a drunken 15 year old kick over all the bins and saunter off down the back towards mckessons or whatever its called. Then his girlfriend went outside and chucked up outside our flat, THEN we heard the sound of something being kicked in and discovered that it was the door to Carphone warehouse. They sit outside threshers and ask people to buy em cider then threaten em if they don't. And whoever posted that they arn't from around here is right, many of them have been given asbo's in other areas and come over here on the bus. I've actually been told this by a policeman.

Go outside and give them a bloody good hiding.

mantraps, thats a start

Actually thats a great idea - I was wondering are they legal? I wouldnt mind putting one or two in my garden but the problem would be stopping innocent animals getting caught by them as opposed to thieving chav vandals ...

I got to watch a delightful chav show on friday night. We were woken up to the sounds of racist abuse coming from woodseats kebab, then saw a drunken 15 year old kick over all the bins and saunter off down the back towards mckessons or whatever its called. Then his girlfriend went outside and chucked up outside our flat, THEN we heard the sound of something being kicked in and discovered that it was the door to Carphone warehouse. They sit outside threshers and ask people to buy em cider then threaten em if they don't. And whoever posted that they arn't from around here is right, many of them have been given asbo's in other areas and come over here on the bus. I've actually been told this by a policeman.

Thtas definitely not good progress if the only effect of ASBOS will be to spread the chavs far and wide across Sheffield - even the so called "good" areas ...

having just crawled out of bed stark naked to see what was going on I don't think they'd have been v scared of me coming out to give em a good hiding! Though sometimes I want to chuck boiling water at em from my window...

It is quite worrying though, if they decided to put fireworks through a letterbox or something they could kill someone, they are clearly getting worse. I worry that they'll get into my yard and do god knows what in it!

when to kfc on friday and they was a gang of them in there, shouting racist comments, and some of them was coloured themselves.
one of the gang members was a delightful 15 year old girl who had definitely had too much to drink as she needed help just to stand up, shouting I NEED THE TOILET YOU **** barstools (watching my language) but they wouldnt let her use it (damn right) so she when outside and squatted in the car park to do her business (lovely).
it only went quiet when a few older men came in and one said " a touch of racial harmony", never seen the gang disappear so quick, only to fill and terrorist innocent bystanders at the bus stop across the road, when leaving kfc saw 4 young girls all drinking stella and smoking what look like spliffs to me, on the way back up chesterfield road towards meadowhead, had the great job having to stop on a bend due to mindless idiots all drunk crossing the road and one of them had the cheek to call me a w***er. lovely.

bet there mums and dads are really proud of them. knowing that they have succeeded in bringing mindless idiots into the world.
i wonder what the hang over was like the next morning.

the ones you saw in KFC sound like the ones that were in the kebab house, the girl was certainly v drunk and had to prop herself up using a bin to chuck up. God I can't wait until wed night, its halloween AND half term!

There as been problems in KFC on a friday night for some time that is why the seating area closes at 9pm on friday / saturday night you can see the notices on the shop. If you go past on most friday nigths you can see either gangs outside and or police in attendance

Well i live in the woodseats area, and i am sick and tired of the "A******s" coming into the area in thier "Cars" to deal drugs through the windows to the local Chavs.

We reported one lot to the police and they were sorted out after about 5 months, but all they have done is move to dealing in a different mannner.

I personally think that all these kids shouldnt be allowed to travel on the bus after 6pm without an adult. Plus if they have ASBO's they should also be Tagged and given curfew.

It was one of these little darlings, that earlier this year vandalised over 100 cars during a 2 week period, my wifes included.:rant: Woe betide the poor sod if she ever gets her hands on him.

It would appear there as been another round of graffiti attacks in woodseats over saturday / sunday night, plus a utility building as been broken into - and yes it as been reported .

Graffiti attacks?

Big up KSA.

A few more Youth Clubs etc. would give the kids something to do.

A few more Youth Clubs etc. would give the kids something to do.

kids dont need youth clubs as they wouldnt go as they would lose all power in be able to drink and smoke drugs, like they do in the streets.

i must admit when i was younger i used to hang about with my mates on the streets but we was never disrespectful to others and properties but kids these days the majority of them dont have respect for no one not even their own parents

I lived in Woodseats for eighteen months a couple of years ago and had the pleasure of having my car vandalised. The Police caught them and all three were from Gleadless. I have to say I am glad I don't live anywhere near there anymore.

kids dont need youth clubs as they wouldnt go as they would lose all power in be able to drink and smoke drugs, like they do in the streets.

i must admit when i was younger i used to hang about with my mates on the streets but we was never disrespectful to others and properties but kids these days the majority of them dont have respect for no one not even their own parents
It's good to see that the midfield trio of Hook, Line and Sinker are still doing their stuff.
I would actually tie the little creeps to my back bumper and take them for a scrape around.

The amount of graffiti done in woodseats last night was the worse ever . I bet if they are caught they wont be from round here

I saw 3 hooded youths buying marker pens from the Spar shop last night. Could it have been them?

The amount of graffiti done in woodseats last night was the worse ever . I bet if they are caught they wont be from round here

A lot of them won't be from far away. Within meadowhead school catchment area for sure. I copped 4 trying to break mirrors off my bike outside phoenix fish bar one night, two were from Bradway and two from Bocking Lane areas.

Others I've seen include a Police CID Inspectors son from Beachief and a teachers daughter from Abbey Lane, Woodseats end.

I'd sooner have the marker pens than the diamond cutter on my windows. At least the marker pen comes off with a little surgical spirit :) And the yellow tagging wiped off the wooden panel quite easily with a liberal application of ant bacterial spray. Only in Woodseats would the vandals use wash off sprays, bless em!

Although the two skinny kids that were wanting to buy spray paint the other day ... tut tut! do I look like I came down on the up train? :D

i blame the parents...

I dont live in woodseats or anywhere near really. I live in Nether Edge and hate how i actually sometimes dislike the idea of going down to the shops because i know gangs hang around and will give me a hard time. I havnt surveyed the 'night life' as i like to call it, in a while, but i cant imagine its magically cleared itself up. Glen Road i know used to be a problem

I understand that it was busy with gangs last night on woodseats I dread to think what we will get this weekend , almost forgot it bonefire night monday as well

ughh, boot camp for the lot of them. the parents too in some cases!

I used to Live in woodseats, our car got damaged for no reason. Couldnt wait to move out.

Went past KFC at around 9pm tonight there were around 5 CSO or Police offices at KTC with around 15 youths plus another gang of around 6 at the bus stop the latter were aged around 11 years old I couldn’t see any evidence of alcohol. Lets hope we have a quiet nighta

Holy crap this isn't good news (though I am moving there from Arbourthorne so perhaps it will be an improvement ... :huh:).

hmmmmmmm chav and racist abuse in the same line post?..........have u ever stopped to think "chavs" dont like wanna be middle class/middle class scum?i dont think "chavs" are too keen on liberals either i'm not condoning these kids but according to the pc brigade its wrong to say black people/whatever colour skin/pikey/fat/lanky just seems you have double standards wanggang

they want a good clip. The 1st and last time I caught trying to break into my shed he was delt with swiftly and sevearly. job done.

it must be a over 50's thing but i'd never think to myself oooooh kids buying marker pens!!!!!! phone the cops!!!!! why is everyone going all liberal and soft get the cops out truncheons out give them a good clip do the same if they turn up again problem solved i argued toss with a copper when i was 16 for somethin which i was right about he proceeded to shove his radio aerial up my nose never again have i disrespected a copper direct again kids need to be like me and disrespect cops in a clever decieving del boy way!

it must be a over 50's thing but i'd never think to myself oooooh kids buying marker pens!!!!!! phone the cops!!!!! why is everyone going all liberal and soft get the cops out truncheons out give them a good clip do the same if they turn up again problem solved i argued toss with a copper when i was 16 for somethin which i was right about he proceeded to shove his radio aerial up my nose never again have i disrespected a copper direct again kids need to be like me and disrespect cops in a clever decieving del boy way!

They do deserve a good clip. Shame the coppers can't do it any more.

Drove past KFC at woodseats at around 2050 hours tonight - no one in sight no one in KFC or hanging round the library or the end of Abbey Lane or the bottom of the Park .

This is the first time in around 2 years I ve not seen a gang when I drive past at this time on a friday night

sorry, how is saying that they were chavs and racially abusing someone double standards? they were chavs, and they were shouting racist comments at the blokes in the kebab house? so wheres the double standard there?

wang man are you for or against racism?

I say we get gangs of men together in each neigbourhood to go round at random times nightly to scare these little b*****ds ... if need be a clip...

I was physically educated and it never did me any harm...

Not perfect granted but i have respect and control

against, I don't know how you got the impression that I'm for racism!

oh mr gangbang open your eyes smell the coffee

what the hell are you on about? why don't use try using my real username instead of trying to be funny because your not

and by the way. I'm not a Mr, nor am i 'middle class scum' as you seem to think i am from your previous posts, i suggest you read CAREFULLY what I originally wrote, and don't make personal assumptions about someone when you know nothing about them.

I got to watch a delightful chav show on friday night. We were woken up to the sounds of racist abuse coming from woodseats kebab, then saw a drunken 15 year old kick over all the bins and saunter off down the back towards mckessons or whatever its called. Then his girlfriend went outside and chucked up outside our flat, THEN we heard the sound of something being kicked in and discovered that it was the door to Carphone warehouse. They sit outside threshers and ask people to buy em cider then threaten em if they don't. And whoever posted that they arn't from around here is right, many of them have been given asbo's in other areas and come over here on the bus. I've actually been told this by a policeman.

this post above is for 4-20 blade to read.:rant:

now where in this post from wang gang does it say that he/ she is been racist.:loopy:
so how can you ask wang gang if he/she is for or against racism.
i seriously suggest that 4-20 blade should read through all the posts before coming on here with all guns blazing and stating that someone is racist.:suspect:

Children (not thugs, chavs etc) let's face it we are discussing children - children are not born as social deviants they are made this way and the same goes for their parents.

It is hard for a person to respect their parents if they are a) lacking in at least a very basic education b) an alcoholic c) a social deviant d) have no self respect etc. It is even harder to respect parents who argue constantly day in and day out about many things including finding the money with which to raise you (which causes guilt) and even harder if they beat you senseless after going out gambling and losing (and possibly selling the furniture to cover the debt or possibly to attain the next hit of whichever drug/s they need to numb their mind enough to block out their own guilt at failure). Let us not forget that these parents were once children themselves in the very same circumstances.

If you have not learned the very basic respect for parents and family that most of us (sat here on our high horses looking down) have for parents and family - parents and family being the very first society with which we interact, then how are you to understand, similarly, a respect for the wider society (in this case the local community)?

I live at Lowedges and have done so for a very long time, and yes the minors, the children, that are being demonised here most probably come from my area and of course Batemoor and Jordanthorpe but there are reasons for this, predominantly that they are shunned, feared and avoided, any creature human or otherwise that is treated in this manner will become paranoid and afraid and furthermore will act out.

I must ask - how many of you would by choice send your children to Meadowhead or Lowedges school if given the alternative of Bradfield or Notredam? I'm sure the answer would be very few. Schools like Meadowhead and Lowedges are underfunded due to their low performance, which creates a vicious circle.

How many of you would volunteer to work in an underprivileged area as a role model to these youths who have no positive role models? As a youth worker perhaps or as part of a youth project? Again, very few.

With negative role models and a lack of good education how do you think these children are going to end up? They are taught that dreaming, hoping and that ambition are futile and will get them nowhere and so do the next best thing - they stick to what they know, they seek solidarity and security in a self assumed subculture - a gang, in which respect comes to those who prove themselves as the best survivor.

It will take more than a bit of whinging to solve our cities, no our countries, social problems. It will take time, effort and dedication. To make a comedy quote in the words of Jim Carrey 'Be the miracle' don't expect one to simply be provided by a deity of some description.

It is easy to be pious, self righteous and holier than thou when you are not wearing the other man / womans shoes, when you live in a tidy house, have financial security, a family that loves you, the cash to partake in normal social activities for fun pertaining to your individual happiness and know where your next meal is coming from. Nothing is as simple as you think.

The estates are a breeding ground for contempt and I should know, the council does little to improve the poorer areas which are largely apathetic, the police and social workers are seen to split up families and so are held in contempt as are the general upper / middle and working class public who look down their noses at us as you have been doing here on this discussion board.

Lowedges has some of the highest teen pregnancy rates in Europe, often the parents you blame are children themselves, furthermore the three estates mentioned have some of the highest unemployment rates in the country - we are treated with suspicion in some kind of perverted perceptual postcode lottery, I cautiously use the analogy: 'a dog that is feared bites'.

And if we are to blame the parents - who is to blame for their behaviour, i suppose their parents, and who for theirs, again their parents? Is this not shifting the blame from the very fact that the general attitudes of the public, and the lack of support of our social piers is actually causing these vicious cycles to continue or at least doing nothing to fix them? Yes these children lack discipline, but if they don't get it at home or at school or from other social institutions then where do you suppose it will come from - the magical green fairy lord in the sky perhaps?

Get proactive people. Self righteous whinging and comedy assertions of vigilante style justice are certainly not the answer, EACH ONE OF YOU CAN BE A POSITIVE ROLEMODEL, talk to the children - show them acceptance. (And yes I know you wont because this is not a perfect world, but what exactly is YOUR excuse?)

(P.S a chav is not a racial term it refers to a social sub culture denominated by certain fashions, behaviours, social dispositions and attitudes)

.:huh:

Children (not thugs, chavs etc) let's face it we are discussing children - children are not born as social deviants they are made this way and the same goes for their parents.

It is hard for a person to respect their parents if they are a) lacking in at least a very basic education b) an alcoholic c) a social deviant d) have no self respect etc. It is even harder to respect parents who argue constantly day in and day out about many things including finding the money with which to raise you (which causes guilt) and even harder if they beat you senseless after going out gambling and losing (and possibly selling the furniture to cover the debt or possibly to attain the next hit of whichever drug/s they need to numb their mind enough to block out their own guilt at failure). Let us not forget that these parents were once children themselves in the very same circumstances.

If you have not learned the very basic respect for parents and family that most of us (sat here on our high horses looking down) have for parents and family - parents and family being the very first society with which we interact, then how are you to understand, similarly, a respect for the wider society (in this case the local community)?

I live at Lowedges and have done so for a very long time, and yes the minors, the children, that are being demonised here most probably come from my area and of course Batemoor and Jordanthorpe but there are reasons for this, predominantly that they are shunned, feared and avoided, any creature human or otherwise that is treated in this manner will become paranoid and afraid and furthermore will act out.

I must ask - how many of you would by choice send your children to Meadowhead or Lowedges school if given the alternative of Bradfield or Notredam? I'm sure the answer would be very few. Schools like Meadowhead and Lowedges are underfunded due to their low performance, which creates a vicious circle.

How many of you would volunteer to work in an underprivileged area as a role model to these youths who have no positive role models? As a youth worker perhaps or as part of a youth project? Again, very few.

With negative role models and a lack of good education how do you think these children are going to end up? They are taught that dreaming, hoping and that ambition are futile and will get them nowhere and so do the next best thing - they stick to what they know, they seek solidarity and security in a self assumed subculture - a gang, in which respect comes to those who prove themselves as the best survivor.

It will take more than a bit of whinging to solve our cities, no our countries, social problems. It will take time, effort and dedication. To make a comedy quote in the words of Jim Carrey 'Be the miracle' don't expect one to simply be provided by a deity of some description.

It is easy to be pious, self righteous and holier than thou when you are not wearing the other man / womans shoes, when you live in a tidy house, have financial security, a family that loves you, the cash to partake in normal social activities for fun pertaining to your individual happiness and know where your next meal is coming from. Nothing is as simple as you think.

The estates are a breeding ground for contempt and I should know, the council does little to improve the poorer areas which are largely apathetic, the police and social workers are seen to split up families and so are held in contempt as are the general upper / middle and working class public who look down their noses at us as you have been doing here on this discussion board.

Lowedges has some of the highest teen pregnancy rates in Europe, often the parents you blame are children themselves, furthermore the three estates mentioned have some of the highest unemployment rates in the country - we are treated with suspicion in some kind of perverted perceptual postcode lottery, I cautiously use the analogy: 'a dog that is feared bites'.

And if we are to blame the parents - who is to blame for their behaviour, i suppose their parents, and who for theirs, again their parents? Is this not shifting the blame from the very fact that the general attitudes of the public, and the lack of support of our social piers is actually causing these vicious cycles to continue or at least doing nothing to fix them? Yes these children lack discipline, but if they don't get it at home or at school or from other social institutions then where do you suppose it will come from - the magical green fairy lord in the sky perhaps?

Get proactive people. Self righteous whinging and comedy assertions of vigilante style justice are certainly not the answer, EACH ONE OF YOU CAN BE A POSITIVE ROLEMODEL, talk to the children - show them acceptance. (And yes I know you wont because this is not a perfect world, but what exactly is YOUR excuse?)

(P.S a chav is not a racial term it refers to a social sub culture denominated by certain fashions, behaviours, social dispositions and attitudes)

.:huh:

well said lowedges man

Children (not thugs, chavs etc) let's face it we are discussing children - children are not born as social deviants they are made this way and the same goes for their parents.

It is hard for a person to respect their parents if they are a) lacking in at least a very basic education b) an alcoholic c) a social deviant d) have no self respect etc. It is even harder to respect parents who argue constantly day in and day out about many things including finding the money with which to raise you (which causes guilt) and even harder if they beat you senseless after going out gambling and losing (and possibly selling the furniture to cover the debt or possibly to attain the next hit of whichever drug/s they need to numb their mind enough to block out their own guilt at failure). Let us not forget that these parents were once children themselves in the very same circumstances.

If you have not learned the very basic respect for parents and family that most of us (sat here on our high horses looking down) have for parents and family - parents and family being the very first society with which we interact, then how are you to understand, similarly, a respect for the wider society (in this case the local community)?

I live at Lowedges and have done so for a very long time, and yes the minors, the children, that are being demonised here most probably come from my area and of course Batemoor and Jordanthorpe but there are reasons for this, predominantly that they are shunned, feared and avoided, any creature human or otherwise that is treated in this manner will become paranoid and afraid and furthermore will act out.

I must ask - how many of you would by choice send your children to Meadowhead or Lowedges school if given the alternative of Bradfield or Notredam? I'm sure the answer would be very few. Schools like Meadowhead and Lowedges are underfunded due to their low performance, which creates a vicious circle.

How many of you would volunteer to work in an underprivileged area as a role model to these youths who have no positive role models? As a youth worker perhaps or as part of a youth project? Again, very few.

With negative role models and a lack of good education how do you think these children are going to end up? They are taught that dreaming, hoping and that ambition are futile and will get them nowhere and so do the next best thing - they stick to what they know, they seek solidarity and security in a self assumed subculture - a gang, in which respect comes to those who prove themselves as the best survivor.

It will take more than a bit of whinging to solve our cities, no our countries, social problems. It will take time, effort and dedication. To make a comedy quote in the words of Jim Carrey 'Be the miracle' don't expect one to simply be provided by a deity of some description.

It is easy to be pious, self righteous and holier than thou when you are not wearing the other man / womans shoes, when you live in a tidy house, have financial security, a family that loves you, the cash to partake in normal social activities for fun pertaining to your individual happiness and know where your next meal is coming from. Nothing is as simple as you think.

The estates are a breeding ground for contempt and I should know, the council does little to improve the poorer areas which are largely apathetic, the police and social workers are seen to split up families and so are held in contempt as are the general upper / middle and working class public who look down their noses at us as you have been doing here on this discussion board.

Lowedges has some of the highest teen pregnancy rates in Europe, often the parents you blame are children themselves, furthermore the three estates mentioned have some of the highest unemployment rates in the country - we are treated with suspicion in some kind of perverted perceptual postcode lottery, I cautiously use the analogy: 'a dog that is feared bites'.

And if we are to blame the parents - who is to blame for their behaviour, i suppose their parents, and who for theirs, again their parents? Is this not shifting the blame from the very fact that the general attitudes of the public, and the lack of support of our social piers is actually causing these vicious cycles to continue or at least doing nothing to fix them? Yes these children lack discipline, but if they don't get it at home or at school or from other social institutions then where do you suppose it will come from - the magical green fairy lord in the sky perhaps?

Get proactive people. Self righteous whinging and comedy assertions of vigilante style justice are certainly not the answer, EACH ONE OF YOU CAN BE A POSITIVE ROLEMODEL, talk to the children - show them acceptance. (And yes I know you wont because this is not a perfect world, but what exactly is YOUR excuse?)

(P.S a chav is not a racial term it refers to a social sub culture denominated by certain fashions, behaviours, social dispositions and attitudes)

.:huh:

Really enjoyed reading this. I work down at the local youthclub and some of the children are really hard work. But if you can teach 1 of 3 a hobby or something they enjoy. Its worth it.

I must ask - how many of you would by choice send your children to Meadowhead or Lowedges school if given the alternative of Bradfield or Notredam? I'm sure the answer would be very few. Schools like Meadowhead and Lowedges are underfunded due to their low performance, which creates a vicious circle.


Sorry Lowedges man but you haven't done your homework.
Loweges is one of the best performing primary/junior schools in Sheffield. This is because funding has been thrown at it over the past 5years, and Meadowhead is always in the top 10 secondary schools in Sheffield.
Neither are or have been underfunded for some time.

"Get proactive people. Self righteous whinging and comedy assertions of vigilante style justice are certainly not the answer, EACH ONE OF YOU CAN BE A POSITIVE ROLEMODEL, talk to the children - show them acceptance. (And yes I know you wont because this is not a perfect world, but what exactly is YOUR excuse?)"

"Talk to the children," you say I have tried when I am on Lowedges shops " I get told to F**k off or what you looking at. Can you wonder why they get a reputation.
I for one am fed up of people saying it's not the kids fault they are from one parent families so what, my mother and many after the war were also from one parent families and they didn't go around abusing people or vandalising property.
Maybe it's because they had respect for people and their property, these kids know that they can do. The police will not even come out if they are being disruptive, or annoying the many elderly on the estate.
And before you have a go I am from Lowedges originally and it saddens me how the estate has gone downhill from being one of the few council estates that people wanted to lib=ve on to one most people would avoid like the plague.

Oh and I still have family on Lowedges so I know what it is like.

I'd agree with you about the respect remark. I think respects gone out of the window.

Most of the Youths ARE from woodseats thats a fact, now a load do come down from ledges,jordo,batemoor etc to see there mates and hang about as there is probally slightly more to do on wooders (not that there is much to do)
There has always been Gangs of youths on woodseats as long as i can remember.ffs they are only doing what we did back in the day its not like there going round stabbing each other or popin a cap in each others ass.

not be long !!!

It's obvious they are in or outside KFC every night, KFC have about 10 billion CCTV camera's, all the little scroats faces will be on there.

Yes but do they work

Most of the Youths ARE from woodseats thats a fact, now a load do come down from ledges,jordo,batemoor etc to see there mates and hang about as there is probally slightly more to do on wooders (not that there is much to do)
There has always been Gangs of youths on woodseats as long as i can remember.ffs they are only doing what we did back in the day its not like there going round stabbing each other or popin a cap in each others ass.

Agree to a point - it's drunk adults that cause more noise and disturbance in Woodseats and at more unsocial hours as well. Never had a problem with the kids until recently but I think a line has been crossed by some of the kids. I don't like the way the area is being slowly swamped with graffiti and more importantly the fact that houses are being targeted at times. If anybody suggests we should lay off kids when they do a graffiti mural on the side of a house and knock tens of thousands of pounds off the value of that and neighbouring houses then they need their heads testing. Why should people tolerate criminal damage like that?

Agree to a point - it's drunk adults that cause more noise and disturbance in Woodseats and at more unsocial hours as well. Never had a problem with the kids until recently but I think a line has been crossed by some of the kids. I don't like the way the area is being slowly swamped with graffiti and more importantly the fact that houses are being targeted at times. If anybody suggests we should lay off kids when they do a graffiti mural on the side of a house and knock tens of thousands of pounds off the value of that and neighbouring houses then they need their heads testing. Why should people tolerate criminal damage like that?

Im in the world of graffiti and in the 90's i got court `tagging` and went to court ETC. I dont have any excuse why i went around tagging othier peoples propertys accept my view of the world but im not going to bore you with why i thought i had the right too blah blah blah.......

...ill get to the point. I now design canvas's, clothing and still do commissions of graffiti art. If it was'nt for that first tag i wouldnt have got where i am today, i get people like yourself constantly wanting there shutters painted or designs doing and say this.....

...... " I dont mind graffiti when its been done properly, i just hate this god dam tagging crap" .....

...I turn around and simple say this, "if it was'nt for my first tag i would'nt have done my first throw up, if it was'nt for my first throw up i would'nt have done my first dub, if it was'nt for my first dub i would'nt have done my first peice, if it was'nt for my first peice i would'nt have done my first mural and if i was'nt to have learnt how to do mural's i wouldnt be here today painting your building"

Its eveloutinary process which first started from the simple letter forms of a tag.

Jan Wilson is a prime example why this happerns, there was a graffiti project at devonshire green next to the forums with some of sheffields best artists. There designs was amazing but she stamped out the right for this to ever be funded again.

Instead of spending loads and loads of money wiping this crap off the wall they should work with it. Build some legal walls spread about sheffield so people can practice and peice these walls. Theres such a passion to graffiti art that these kids will go out and learn how to do it illegally wether its right or wrong.

You will still get the ocassional arsehole that will write his estate name `BADMAN S8 BWOYZ`

Believe it or not I totally agree with you.

LOL, makes sense thou.

Perhaps I am wrong about the schools - but I don't feel that this invalidates my entire argument. Rome wasn't built in a day - my point being that a lack of respect runs deep and that non constructive whinging is not going to turn things around period, it will as i said take many years of contructivist effort to do this.

I NEVER once commented that the children where from one parent families this point is irrelevant some of the nicest people I know are from one parent families and live on traveller sites across the U.K - in fact my wife is from a 1 parent family...

Oh, and yes Lowedges, batemoor etc. where great in the 70's when they had just been built, but the skinhead culture of the 80's put an end to this creating one of the most racist cultures in the city.

Have you ever consideered giving something back in the form of voluntary youth work?

Furthermore on the point of drugs, where do you think these children get their drugs to sell from - do seriously think that they have amphetamine factories of their own up and running in their bedrooms? Or could it be that their parents or uncles / aunties etc. are actually pushing them to be pushers...

So criminal acts are OK as long as the outcome is positive further down the line?

Graffiti artists are scum who care not one jot for peoples property.

Its not usually there own family pushing it onto them but people that are known on the estate. Take the terminus for example (make sure you read EXAMPLE), Theres kids of all agers there, from 9 to 25 in some case's. The younger ones want to impress the older ones.

A drug dealers not arsed about the buyer, aslong as the money is paid he couldnt care less. Alot of youths are smoking loads of weed, way more then i used to. They ring the dealers and go to the houses/wait for them and buy the drug. Now think about it, if there was just 1 kid out of the ten on the terminus that smoked bud i gurantee you if the othier 9 hung around with him day after day (which is usely the case) the'll start smoking it. (call me an idiot but you do tend to do what your friends do) When the othiers start smoking it, it producers more sales. The dealer will now go more out of his way then he usually would. Knowing who hes providing and understanding one another in more of a clock work motion.

After a year or so there both friends, they sometimes smoke together, or go round to one anothers houses and caine a spliff. Some how, the lad (usually about 17 upwards) is offered an ammount of bud to sell on. Lets say half ounce/ounce. This is provided month after month, the kid dealer now can sell on weed and smoke it for free, even make a bit of money out of it aslong as he doesnt get high off his own supply. Aslong as he pays for the ounce at the end of the month the dealer `lays him on` again.

Same with pills and cocaine, but this is mainly organised a little different with higher age groups. But ive known bud dealers the age of 15. Just like it was standard life. Wierd eh?!

So criminal acts are OK as long as the outcome is positive further down the line?

Graffiti artists are scum who care not one jot for peoples property.

You just said graffiti artist..... dont you mean VANDAL!!!!!!?

There not scum, you'd be suprised. You never see the realation ships of writers, there far more intresting people. I grew up with a bad crowd, it was all about making a name for yourself. I was a horrible person at one point. Fighting, taking drugs, stealing ETC

I was stealing cars as if it was a game to see whats the best car i could pinch, my mind was ef'd up. Then i started getting into graffiti, and i started meeting the people who was doing it. They where far more intresting people, they all had goals and a future. I left my old crown to spend more time with these writers, it was more worth while creating things and designing. Leaving a mark is just how i saw it, think about the guys that chizeled mount rush more ILLEGALLY. Who said they could do that to the rocks?! Did they do it because they got a kick out of big huge face's or did they do it to leave a mark?! They did it to leave a mark.

Alot of my old friends are dead now, 2 was stabed over drugs, 1 was kidnapped and shot (guessing that was drugs) and the rest have dissapeared. Either in prison from there crack addictions (stealing for a hit).

I made the right choice, despite what you think. Ive made more people happy with what im doing today then i thought i ever could. I have a family and graffiti has gave me a career i never thought was possible.

So criminal acts are OK as long as the outcome is positive further down the line?

Graffiti artists are scum who care not one jot for peoples property.

No. I was agreeing that legal graffiti sites are necessary in order to prevent the damage to peoples property but that because of the stigma that is attached to this medium for artistic expression the council leaders will give such constructive ideas no consideration in their plight to win votes with the general public.

You just said graffiti artist..... dont you mean VANDAL!!!!!!?

There not scum, you'd be suprised. You never see the realation ships of writers, there far more intresting people. I grew up with a bad crowd, it was all about making a name for yourself. I was a horrible person at one point. Fighting, taking drugs, stealing ETC

I was stealing cars as if it was a game to see whats the best car i could pinch, my mind was ef'd up. Then i started getting into graffiti, and i started meeting the people who was doing it. They where far more intresting people, they all had goals and a future. I left my old crown to spend more time with these writers, it was more worth while creating things and designing. Leaving a mark is just how i saw it, think about the guys that chizeled mount rush more ILLEGALLY. Who said they could do that to the rocks?! Did they do it because they got a kick out of big huge face's or did they do it to leave a mark?! They did it to leave a mark.

Alot of my old friends are dead now, 2 was stabed over drugs, 1 was kidnapped and shot (guessing that was drugs) and the rest have dissapeared. Either in prison from there crack addictions (stealing for a hit).

I made the right choice, despite what you think. Ive made more people happy with what im doing today then i thought i ever could. I have a family and graffiti has gave me a career i never thought was possible.


Graffiti artist = vandal in my book. As for comparing it with sculpting Mount Rushmore, well that just laughable.

As for scummers dying early, I dont have any sympathy. They are vermin that make decent people's life a misery. I wish more would succumb to a bit of Darwin natural selection befiore they foist there scum offspring on the rest of society.

Graffiti artist = vandal in my book. As for comparing it with sculpting Mount Rushmore, well that just laughable.

As for scummers dying early, I dont have any sympathy. They are vermin that make decent people's life a misery. I wish more would succumb to a bit of Darwin natural selection befiore they foist there scum offspring on the rest of society.


You have'nt a clue what some of them people went through, despite me abandoning them they was close friends i grew up with, went to school with, had a laugh with. Untill things didnt go as it should have.

Graffiti artists have done far better things then that crap chizeled on mount rushmore. They have made a bigger impact in history then mount rushmore. You have'nt a clue mate.

Graffiti on record dates back to the time of the Egyptians and was used in the ancient Roman Empire as a way of transmitting political statements to the masses.

Im in the world of graffiti and in the 90's i got court `tagging` and went to court ETC. I dont have any excuse why i went around tagging othier peoples propertys accept my view of the world but im not going to bore you with why i thought i had the right too blah blah blah.......

...ill get to the point. I now design canvas's, clothing and still do commissions of graffiti art. If it was'nt for that first tag i wouldnt have got where i am today, i get people like yourself constantly wanting there shutters painted or designs doing and say this.....

...... " I dont mind graffiti when its been done properly, i just hate this god dam tagging crap" .....

...I turn around and simple say this, "if it was'nt for my first tag i would'nt have done my first throw up, if it was'nt for my first throw up i would'nt have done my first dub, if it was'nt for my first dub i would'nt have done my first peice, if it was'nt for my first peice i would'nt have done my first mural and if i was'nt to have learnt how to do mural's i wouldnt be here today painting your building"

Its eveloutinary process which first started from the simple letter forms of a tag.

Jan Wilson is a prime example why this happerns, there was a graffiti project at devonshire green next to the forums with some of sheffields best artists. There designs was amazing but she stamped out the right for this to ever be funded again.

Instead of spending loads and loads of money wiping this crap off the wall they should work with it. Build some legal walls spread about sheffield so people can practice and peice these walls. Theres such a passion to graffiti art that these kids will go out and learn how to do it illegally wether its right or wrong.

You will still get the ocassional arsehole that will write his estate name `BADMAN S8 BWOYZ`

The idea about the walls for kids to work with is great. With you 100% on that. I'm not 100% against graffiti and there are places where it 'acceptable' to do it and always has been, you know like disused/derelict buildings. BUT it isn't acceptable to graffiti somebody's house or loads of trees in the local park or all the equipment in the kids playground. All I'd want is for kids to step back over that line they've crossed recently.

Graffiti on record dates back to the time of the Egyptians and was used in the ancient Roman Empire as a way of transmitting political statements to the masses.

Very true mate, just think of are heritage and history we would have lost if it was'nt for graffiti?

The idea about the walls for kids to work with is great. With you 100% on that. I'm not 100% against graffiti and there are places where it 'acceptable' to do it and always has been, you know like disused/derelict buildings. BUT it isn't acceptable to graffiti somebody's house or loads of trees in the local park or all the equipment in the kids playground. All I'd want is for kids to step back over that line they've crossed recently.

Totally with you on this one. This is'nt the graffiti writers who take it seriously, this is the local idiots that write on anything and dont help the graffiti artists what so ever. We have always been tarred with the same brush which is'nt fair. I think the general public and the writers both hate this sort of behaviour. Its rules for one and rules for the othier. The graffiti artist `BANKSY` gets to be a celeb, gets graffiti removers sacked for accidently wiping off his work and gets paid thousands for simple stencils. But yet someone alot more talented gets fined.

You have'nt a clue what some of them people went through, despite me abandoning them they was close friends i grew up with, went to school with, had a laugh with. Untill things didnt go as it should have.

Graffiti artists have done far better things then that crap chizeled on mount rushmore. They have made a bigger impact in history then mount rushmore. You have'nt a clue mate.i hate the way people who seem to come across as mr perfect,have the rite to critisize what the youth of today doo, we did the same when we was youngsters,and we evolved and sometimes learned from our mistakes, but allot of good comes out of graffiti too,as 4anyone has said, that is why i dont waste my time on this forum, often having to back up a friend that i've got to know, which graffiti has added to his life becoming a better human bieng,what i say too is graffiti,reduces the lickelyhood of one commiting more serious crimes,and we know it,
get too know somebody first like i did,then you have the right to call him scum.
i happen to know he is definatly not.
we are party people because this is the way we grew up, we are also educated as well as expresive people into music ect but also have a great respect for our own familys and also our graffiti family,and a love for the city, and the people of sheffield,believe it or not,
but a growing disrispect for JAN'ZERO TOLERENCE'WILLSON.

Superchrome, i just shed a tear bro!!!

Long time no see!!!