Another shooting in Burngreave where does all this gun warfare end? Kids no longer fight with fists, its much quicker and easier to pull a trigger, then worry about the conciquence later. Should our police officers be armed at all times to protect themselves and the public ?

There is a thread about this already.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=267923&highlight=16+burngreave+murder

There is a thread about this already.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=267923&highlight=16+burngreave+murder

Yes, there was thread about it, but it's been closed.

Whenever something in Sheffield makes national headline news the threads here get closed. Sometimes I wonder why it's called Sheffield Forum.

Well i feel this should be discused because brushing subjects as serious as this under the carpet, does not make the problem go away. At the end of the day our society is at risk and it should be left open for discussion. It said on the news that this sort of behaviour is rare, i wouldn't say so myself. Its becoming more and more frequent and its very scarey. :confused:

It was discussed.

Well i did a search for the subject but could not find one, it may have been discussed but i feel it should be left open for discussion.
What do we do ? purchase a bullet proof jacket to feel safe

Usually with these threads people start posting rubbish about Burngreave/Fir Vale/Grimesthorp being full of gun toting murderers. It starts to grate with those of us who live in thee areas. Rumours and hearsay get posted which is not necessarily true. We have to bear in mind that the family of the persons concerned may be members of the forum and what they read may well add to their pain.

As a poster has stated these incidents are rare. Usually they are between people who know each other and who have issues of which we have no knowledge. You only need to be scared if you are having a feud with someone.

Well i think our police should be armed at all times. more and more criminals / thugs are armed so why the hell should our police not be!

I live in the area and feel safe, genreally the gangs stick to shooting each other.. I am not saying that's a good thing and I don't have any solutions.

[it is utter ******** that a young life should be lost ,the police and race relation do gooders have blood on their hands ,this area should have had zero tolerence policing for the last ten years not softly softly approach it transformed New york into a vibrant far safer place than it was in the seventies. The vast majority of afro caribean residents in this area are hard working god fearing people.They are let down by the street trash who think they are gansters and cry racial abuse every time the police stop them. Ideally jamaican officers ought to be seconded over to tackle street problems any criminals ought to be sent to jamiacan jails. People forget Jamiacan immigrants in the sixties faced far greater racial intolerence but did the uk a great service many returned to the caribean to retire thease people i have had the pleasure to meet on my travels

Yes, there was thread about it, but it's been closed.

Whenever something in Sheffield makes national headline news the threads here get closed. Sometimes I wonder why it's called Sheffield Forum.

perhaps you should address your displeasure at your fellow forummers and not the site itself.
we don't force people to make racist comments on a thread about murder

to be honest, the slightest mention of anything these days gets a thread closed! but hey, your site not mine!

The last thread decended into personal insult & rasist comments. That's why it was closed. If the same happens then this will be closed & bans will be issued.

There will be no further warnings on this.

to be honest, the slightest mention of anything these days gets a thread closed! but hey, your site not mine!

jonnysammut - If you dont like it, please feel entirely free to go elsewhere.

but anyways, back to topic!!!

[it is utter ******** that a young life should be lost ,the police and race relation do gooders have blood on their hands ,this area should have had zero tolerence policing for the last ten years not softly softly approach it transformed New york into a vibrant far safer place than it was in the seventies. The vast majority of afro caribean residents in this area are hard working god fearing people.They are let down by the street trash who think they are gansters and cry racial abuse every time the police stop them. Ideally jamaican officers ought to be seconded over to tackle street problems any criminals ought to be sent to jamiacan jails. People forget Jamiacan immigrants in the sixties faced far greater racial intolerence but did the uk a great service many returned to the caribean to retire thease people i have had the pleasure to meet on my travels

You obviously have an intimate knowledge of the area under discussion:rolleyes:

You obviously have an intimate knowledge of the area under discussion:rolleyes:

just saying how i feel

[it is utter ******** that a young life should be lost ,the police and race relation do gooders have blood on their hands ,this area should have had zero tolerence policing for the last ten years not softly softly approach it transformed New york into a vibrant far safer place than it was in the seventies. The vast majority of afro caribean residents in this area are hard working god fearing people.They are let down by the street trash who think they are gansters and cry racial abuse every time the police stop them. Ideally jamaican officers ought to be seconded over to tackle street problems any criminals ought to be sent to jamiacan jails. People forget Jamiacan immigrants in the sixties faced far greater racial intolerence but did the uk a great service many returned to the caribean to retire thease people i have had the pleasure to meet on my travels
Sorry but i dont agree, i have been to Jamaica several times and seen how the police operate, I feel Jamaican police are as curupt as the criminals and cash payments take place to stay hush hush. Police from the UK are sent to Jamaica to help out there, so do we really need curuptness, surley that would only make the issue worse

Sorry but i dont agree, i have been to Jamaica several times and seen how the police operate, I feel Jamaican police are as curupt as the criminals and cash payments take place to stay hush hush. Police from the UK are sent to Jamaica to help out there, so do we really need curuptness, surley that would only make the issue worse

well good point corruption is a problem over there,the officers i met were ex army stiff sageant major types, who had a no nonsense approach,they were on a secondment to the DEA

perhaps you should address your displeasure at your fellow forummers and not the site itself.
we don't force people to make racist comments on a thread about murder

No need to type in bold!

No need to type in bold!

All mods comments are made in bold, presumably to differentiate them from other posts and so people could (hopefully) take notice of them. I should quit while you're losing if I were you.

I feel the only way to stop this sort of crime is to re educate the "gang~stars" because obviously they need it. They earn vasts amount's of money on a daily basis i.e. dealing drugs, so why would they want to earn a decent living when its much easier and worthwhile not paying taxes/NI contributions, claiming benefits and dealing is a well paid job in this lousy country. This generation of people should be forced to take further education surley that would keep them busy and hopefully make them see sence

VERY SAD.........

Whats the world coming to??

VERY SAD.........

Whats the world coming to??
my sentiments exactly

Legalise all drugs like that copper has suggested. It wouild make a hell of a difference and also free up the police to target other issues.

Legalise all drugs like that copper has suggested. It wouild make a hell of a difference and also free up the police to target other issues.

How?

Drink driving is enough of a problem without smackheads and stoners behind the wheel of a car

I dont think Drugs & Driving were mentioned.

How?

Drink driving is enough of a problem without smackheads and stoners behind the wheel of a car

What's driving got to do with anything? Alcohol is legal and it's illegal to drive over a set limit. Your post makes no sense.

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place as its a complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime flaten it all and build a park ????

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place

Sounds like a plan.

Where should they put these occupants? Next door to you? I don't want one living next to me.

Seeing as you suggested this idea, maybe you can assist the council in redistributing tenants across the city in a manner that is acceptable to other law-abiding citizens of Sheffield?

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place as its a complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime flaten it all and build a park ????

Thats all well and good but if you flatten Burngreave then the Manor should also be flattend cos thats just as bad

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place as its a complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime flaten it all and build a park ????

A staggeringly stupid and ignorant thing to say. I'd hope someone from the Manor would be less idiotic than to suppose as you have done here that just because an area has problems that it's worth nothing more than demolition.
I know the Burngreave area reasonably well - (my girlfriend lives close to where this tragic murder occurred) and your appraisal of it as being a ' complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime ' is, frankly pretty offensive to the very many thoroughly decent people who live there (my g/f her friends and neighbours included).

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place as its a complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime flaten it all and build a park ????

The sad thing is manorboy, the area manor is more crime ridden than Burngreave. You represent or your namesake, nothing but shame to even post such a remark. Simply Pathetic, inappropriate and proving uneducated.

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place as its a complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime flaten it all and build a park ????

Thats all well and good but if you flatten Burngreave then the Manor should also be flattend cos thats just as bad

Sounds like a plan.

Where should they put these occupants? Next door to you? I don't want one living next to me.

Seeing as you suggested this idea, maybe you can assist the council in redistributing tenants across the city in a manner that is acceptable to other law-abiding citizens of Sheffield?


It is thoughtless posts like these that get threads closed.

To Jason Bourne; you would not like me living next to you? After reading your post I would not want to live next to you.

I am a qualified hard working IT professional with experience working in the world's largest financial markets for key players. I live where I live out of personal choice. It is a vibrant and friendly community. Many of the people living in this part of Sheffield are hard working and well qualified. We all get sick of being tarred with the same brush.

I feel the only way to stop this sort of crime is to re educate the "gang~stars" because obviously they need it. They earn vasts amount's of money on a daily basis i.e. dealing drugs, so why would they want to earn a decent living when its much easier and worthwhile not paying taxes/NI contributions, claiming benefits and dealing is a well paid job in this lousy country. This generation of people should be forced to take further education surley that would keep them busy and hopefully make them see sence

A lot of Sheffield children go to school, work hard, pass exams, get A levels, go to university, get degrees, get an interesting well paid job, get married, get a mortgage, have children, and worry about inheritance tax.
Is there some special reason why kids in Burngreave don't do that?

To Jason Bourne; you would not like me living next to you? After reading your post I would not want to live next to you.

Good God man, did you not detect a tone of sarcasm in my post? Clearly not :roll:

And yes, you wouldn't want to live next to me :razz:

A lot of Sheffield children go to school, work hard, pass exams, get A levels, go to university, get degrees, get an interesting well paid job, get married, get a mortgage, have children, and worry about inheritance tax.
Is there some special reason why kids in Burngreave don't do that?
I was refering to the kids that think they are gangsters, not the whole population of teenagers. Kids who go around intimidating other kids and even adults with their behaviours and bad language, they are the ones who need educating. They have no respect for themselves never mind anyone else, they are out of control because they have been allowed to be. I wouldn't say there is a special reason why "some" kids in the undesired area's behave this way, maybe thats the only way they know.

i think they should demolish the area where this happend and scatter the occupants all over the place as its a complete breading ground for drugs/guns/crime flaten it all and build a park ????
yeah me too simmy they should have leveled pittsmoor a long time ago. its seems to have been in the terminal spin for years.:hihi:

yeah me too simmy they should have leveled pittsmoor a long time ago. its seems to have been in the terminal spin for years.:hihi:

Gosh, 2 idiots online. Maybe you should be banned for shouting blasphemous messages. Grow up.....

Well i think our police should be armed at all times. more and more criminals / thugs are armed so why the hell should our police not be!

Because we'll end up like America. If the police carry guns criminals will too so they can keep up with the police.

Because we'll end up like America. If the police carry guns criminals will too so they can keep up with the police.

Sorry but you can not compare the UK to America and if you do, you will find out sad statistics that will embarrass us. London is already 8 times worse than New York for homicides, on size and scale.The escalating youth crime is spiralling out of control. You are forgetting of the crimes that appear that do not get on the news. People shot in Birmingham and London is a everyday occurence.
Also America is only 200 years old, built on guns and emancipation. Thats why it is called the wild west. We are meant to be the civilized ones with a bonafide history. The sad irony of truth is we are getting worst. I suggest you stop watching US cop thrillers on tv and get with the facts. UK cops also carry guns but only specially trained ones. (armed response)

Because we'll end up like America. If the police carry guns criminals will too so they can keep up with the police.

Although I can understand some logic to this surely if it did happen then criminals would currently be carrying pepper spray and truncheons? I think it's only fair that the police should be able to protect themselves against criminals. Unfortunately nowadays it would appear that they need to wear bulletproof vests and protect themselves with guns.

If a criminal is stupid enough to carry and use a gun then, in my opinion, they deserve to be shot down by the police to stop them being able to shoot and harm anyone else.

No ordinary, law abiding citizen is going to go around carrying and using a gun.

Good God man, did you not detect a tone of sarcasm in my post? Clearly not :roll:

And yes, you wouldn't want to live next to me :razz:

Hmmm...let me think....sarcasm? No there did not appear to be any sarcasm.

And

I am not a man.

As I said on the other thread before it was closed, I believe shootings and crime are a direct result of a breakdown of communities which has been allowed and even encouraged by a succession of national and local governments with a complete lack of regard and action. Everything in this country has been neglected or sold off: education, transport, industry, Health care, postal service. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It all has an impact on our communities. Restoring national and local pride is the only way forward.

As I said on the other thread before it was closed, I believe shootings and crime are a direct result of a breakdown of communities which has been allowed and even encouraged by a succession of national and local governments with a complete lack of regard and action. Everything in this country has been neglected or sold off: education, transport, industry, Health care, postal service. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It all has an impact on our communities. Restoring national and local pride is the only way forward.

What does your avatar mean?
Looks like a black power image.

What does your avatar mean?
Looks like a black power image.

Oh dear - that would be upsetting for you wouldn't it?

I think you'll find it's a Northern Soul image.

It's worth pointing out that the police made their first arrest very quickly, as a direct result of information given by people in Burngreave. People have not been slow to come forward with any information they had about this shooting, or the one on Spital Hill a while back, so it's clearly rubbish to tar the whole area with the same brush. The vast majority of us want a quiet life, and will happily grass up anyone who threatens that.

I also think it's over-stating it to claim that everything's on a downward spiral. What certainly is true is that arguments that would have previously been sorted out with a punch-up, occasionally now get sorted out with a gun, and it seems the greater availability and affordability of guns is the reason for this. That's what bothers me. Take the guns away, and not-very-nice-people can get back to knocking seven bells out of each other without disturbing the rest of us, but while the guns are around it means innocents can get caught up in the crossfire.

Oh dear - that would be upsetting for you wouldn't it?

I think you'll find it's a Northern Soul image.

Fair enough, just googled it and as you say nothing to do with black power, still doesn't look right to me.

Fair enough, just googled it and as you say nothing to do with black power, still doesn't look right to me.

it's completely off topic, upholder.

whether it looks right to you, or not, back when I was young, we used to have this design of badge and similar patches and the "wigan casino all-nighter" badges/ patches adorning our "Northern-Soul" style bags, whilst wearing our "Northern Soul Skirts" and the boys wore their wide legged, high-waisted Oxford Bags trousers over their "boater" shoes.

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular or this subject in particluar but whenever topics such as this are discussed on this forum it always ends up turning into a flurry of racist/kids are stupid/chavs/smackheads/manor and burngreave blah blah....... comments. (Do you realise how boring it is to trail through this c**p that you write to get to the decent posts??? :confused:)

What does your avatar mean?
Looks like a black power image.

As Halibut has pointed out, it's simply a Northern Soul image, my signature is the title of the finest Northern Soul song ever been released imo. Timi Yuro, google her as well. What 'doesn't look right' about the image?

it's completely off topic, upholder.

whether it looks right to you, or not, back when I was young, we used to have this design of badge and similar patches and the "wigan casino all-nighter" badges/ patches adorning our "Northern-Soul" style bags, whilst wearing our "Northern Soul Skirts" and the boys wore their wide legged, high-waisted Oxford Bags trousers over their "boater" shoes.

Some of us still do...

Some of us still do...

Keep the faith indeed Agent 00Soul - Quality Edwin Starr track by the way!!

Well if these threads are going to go off-topic, I'd rather they went into a Northern Soul discussion than the usual rubbish!

Well if these threads are going to go off-topic, I'd rather they went into a Northern Soul discussion than the usual rubbish!
I agree, this thread is not about race or culture, we are talking about a 16year old boy that has been murdered.

Sorry, I was only responding to an assumption made. I will stick to topic from now on.