Pitsmoor seems to have some big Victorian properties at cheap prices.

Now everyone says it is a dangerous area etc, but it is pretty close to town. For instance how long would it take to walk to the Cathedral from there?

What do all you canny Sheffielders think about the idea of buying in Pitsmoor now whilst everyone but the roughest and toughest is too scared to live there, renting it out cheap to whoever is brave enough and holding the property for a few years.
In five to ten years the place is bound to be regenerated by public and private money because it is close to town.
So in 10 years time those big Victorian houses have quadrupled or whatever.

I have seen this process in London whereby tough areas near the city centre such has Bethnal Green and Camden town and Islington (where Tony Blair now lives) become very expensive.
(Camden town is expensive and still has the drug dealers!)

If not Pitsmoor can you think of a similair punt on an inner city area?

No way. Steer clear of Pitsmoor, it's a dump.

In actual fact we can probably do without speculators here because they are the ones who buy houses and leave them without spending a penny hoping they will come into some enveloping scheme in the next gazillion light years and earn them £££'s.

Thats what makes a place look run down, and luckily things are changing as the council (with whom I have had meetings) reliably inform me they are seeking to CPO any property which is neglected and not occupied for no good reason.

So if you do want to buy, yes you can rent out there (and its not THAT cheap to rent there anymore), but dont think not spending anything on the property will get you far in the long term, as the short term plan is to have all properties occupied and that means making them livable and not in a state of disrepair.

Whilst t020, as constructive as ever, says its a dump - its no so. If you buy in the right spot and you make the accomodation nice there are tenants who will take it up and pay good money for it. This is speaking from experience too.

Thanks for your replies t0 and 1man.

t0, your reply is pretty clear.

But 1man, I definitely take your point that
the property needs to be occupied and
cared for in order to be socially responsible.

But I pick up far more hope from you about
the future of the area.

So let's say I buy a property there now,
do it up to a reasonable standard, and it
sounds like I might be able to get a tenant
from what you say.

So from the social point of you that has got
to be good for the area.

Do you think that my basic logic is sound
and property prices will greatly increase in five
to ten years?

In which case everybody wins!

We bought a house in Shirecliffe (not far from Pitsmoor) 3 years ago (brand new) for 78k

Its now worth about 155k.

Read into that what you will.

Originally posted by coopster1974
We bought a house in Shirecliffe (not far from Pitsmoor) 3 years ago (brand new) for 78k

Its now worth about 155k.

Read into that what you will.


That the property market boomed and all houses saw similar rises too?

Pitsmoor isnt a bad or rough area!!
But then again sayin that im from firthpark!!

Originally posted by jogenn
Thanks for your replies t0 and 1man.

t0, your reply is pretty clear.

But 1man, I definitely take your point that
the property needs to be occupied and
cared for in order to be socially responsible.

But I pick up far more hope from you about
the future of the area.

So let's say I buy a property there now,
do it up to a reasonable standard, and it
sounds like I might be able to get a tenant
from what you say.

So from the social point of you that has got
to be good for the area.

Do you think that my basic logic is sound
and property prices will greatly increase in five
to ten years?

In which case everybody wins!


There is a good demand for housing here and those providing it are making a reasonably good income. Soe of thelarge properties can be converted into 1 bed self contained flats, and often let for £320 - £350 in standard form.

Depends what you want from it really - fair enough t02 saying all houses have boomed, but then not everybody could buy a house for £200k ten years ago to see it being worth £400k now. Plus, its better to spread the risk, and if you ever fall into financial uncertainty you know you can always auction one off.

No way. Steer clear of Pitsmoor, it's a dump.
Good to see you live up to your reputation of being a complete moron! T020 lives in his Eccleshall road bubble of joy, long may he stay there so the nice people of Pitsmoor never have to see him! Like anywhere is has good and bad elements. I live in Burngreave, have done for 2 years since I bought a house. I have never seen any trouble, it has a reputation because 10 years ago it was a pretty dodgy place, and due to narrow minded idiots like our friend here it is struggling to get rid of the stigma. You could ask T020 when he last actually came to the area; he may not hear you though from the top of that incredibly high horse he is always perched on!

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Good .....he may not hear you though from the top of that incredibly high horse he is always perched on!

The horse is on its back....:suspect:

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Good to see you live up to your reputation of being a complete moron! T020 lives in his Eccleshall road bubble of joy, long may he stay there so the nice people of Pitsmoor never have to see him! Like anywhere is has good and bad elements. I live in Burngreave, have done for 2 years since I bought a house. I have never seen any trouble, it has a reputation because 10 years ago it was a pretty dodgy place, and due to narrow minded idiots like our friend here it is struggling to get rid of the stigma. You could ask T020 when he last actually came to the area; he may not hear you though from the top of that incredibly high horse he is always perched on!

There's nothing wrong with honesty. People, such as jogenn, start threads asking for *opinions* on various areas in order to get a feel for the area. They don't want everyone saying "it's lovely", etc etc, because that is of no real use to them other than giving them false hope - they want HONEST opinions. If it was that lovely, the houses wouldn't be so cheap and it wouldn't have such a bad reputation. Don't call me a moron for daring to express an opinion.

Originally posted by t020
There's nothing wrong with honesty. People, such as jogenn, start threads asking for *opinions* on various areas in order to get a feel for the area. They don't want everyone saying "it's lovely", etc etc, because that is of no real use to them other than giving them false hope - they want HONEST opinions. If it was that lovely, the houses wouldn't be so cheap and it wouldn't have such a bad reputation. Don't call me a moron for daring to express an opinion.

At least come up with some reasons to back up your statement - you may find people are more responsive to your arguement.

Originally posted by coopster1974
At least come up with some reasons to back up your statement - you may find people are more responsive to your arguement.

It was an OPINION. For example, I like Cadbury's Dairy Milk... I can't really explain why I do, I just do, it's my opinion. Having said that, there are facts to back up my opinions (e.g. crime stats, house prices, etc). Either way though, I shouldn't be labelled a 'moron' for expressing an opinion (which, afterall, is what was requested).

Originally posted by coopster1974
At least come up with some reasons to back up your statement - you may find people are more responsive to your arguement.

Hartwell's vauxhall stopped test driving cars up there due to the pot-shots (with bullets) taken at the cars (according to some of the staff there).

Prices have moved in the past couple of years, and the development of the area around the river Don (new appartments, new shops opening) will ripple out to Pitsmoor.

The Ecclesall Rd area was a hell hole when I was a student. :D

Edit: Did I express an opinion there? :suspect:

Originally posted by Strix

The Ecclesall Rd area was a hell hole when I was a student. :D

Edit: Did I express an opinion there? :suspect:


Yes you did, but if it was a dig at me it was well wide of the mark, given that I live in Ecclesall and not on Ecclesall Road. ;)

Some people think I've nothing better to do :rolleyes:

Ecclesall Rd is supposed to be the 'in' place to be now. It wasn't then.

Good grief. We all know where you live, thanks t020. How could we not? :roll:



Edit: And just for the record, I think you'll find I was batting on your side against Coopster.

But if you like being Billy no Mates......... ;)

Originally posted by t020
It was an OPINION. For example, I like Cadbury's Dairy Milk... I can't really explain why I do, I just do, it's my opinion. Having said that, there are facts to back up my opinions (e.g. crime stats, house prices, etc). Either way though, I shouldn't be labelled a 'moron' for expressing an opinion (which, afterall, is what was requested).

I was just trying to advise you why you sometimes get people having a go. You may well be right about it being a dump but without somekind of backup all it does is wind people up. Can you not see that?

See some of my recent posts - yeah I have a go at people but there's usually something more than a oneliner.

Ps you dont wind me up - it would take a lot more worthy challenger ;)

Originally posted by coopster1974
I was just trying to advise you why you sometimes get people having a go. You may well be right about it being a dump but without somekind of backup all it does is wind people up. Can you not see that?

See some of my recent posts - yeah I have a go at people but there's usually something more than a oneliner.

Ps you dont wind me up - it would take a lot more worthy challenger ;)

It's not a case of trying to wind people up though, it's a case of answering a request for opinions. I offered my opinion, and that's the end of it.

Originally posted by t020
It's not a case of trying to wind people up though, it's a case of answering a request for opinions. I offered my opinion, and that's the end of it.

Maybe, but you were trying to wind me up all night. :hihi:

Originally posted by coopster1974
We bought a house in Shirecliffe (not far from Pitsmoor) 3 years ago (brand new) for 78k

Its now worth about 155k.

Read into that what you will.
That your telling porkies???

Originally posted by wibbles
That your telling porkies???
That you don't watch the property market?

The thread is not about individuals.it was about whether Pitsmoor is good place to buy.
I used to live there.
I moved to Norton lees, then Meersbrook, now to Crookes soon.
I have noticed it has improved enormously.
years and years ago, it used to be a very affluent area, hence the size of the houses.
It has improved and you can get a really good priced house there.
There are other factors though to consider..
How much would house insurance and car insurance be?
What are the schools like for families.
There are absolutely no supermarkets in walking distance.My Mum is nearly 80 and there is nowhere for her to shop.
If the area is to improve drastically, there has to be some investment from supermarkets, schools need to improve and then the house prices may rise.
Whether you agree with it or not, these are the things that people look for in a n area and yes..parents(pushy if that is what you want to call us) do push house prices up when trying to get a decent school for their kids..Wouldnt you?

I happened to get a taxi today and the driver was a guy who during the week works on a regeneration project for Pitsmoor.
He said over the past four years the area has improved dramatically and the drug dealers are starting to move away because of things like CCTV , increased police pressure, regeneration schemes like his and so on.

He actually agreed with me that it is quite possible that the area would eventually become more pricey and might gentrify and it was possible that the other problem might eventually happen that local people could not afford to buy there.

He thinks that people have an unrealistically bad opinion of Pitsmoor and it is much better than they think.

I was impressed by his obvious sincerity and it is clear that Sheffield is putting a lot of effort into regeneration which has got to be good news for everyone here

As someone who grew up in Pitsmoor, I read these posts with interest. The wide variety of opinions voiced actually all have some validity. As with so many areas in this socio-demographic group, there is at least as much variation in "liveability / desirability" within Pitsmoor as there is in some small towns.

For example, Pexton Road, parts of Abbeyfield Road, Melrose Road and large sections of the area around Crabtree pond are basically little "middle class enclaves" where it is not unusual for house selling prices (*not* asking price) to match those in areas like Walkley. However, the areas around Bressingham, the thankfully demolished Woodside, and Spital Hill are still pretty harsh.

About 14 years ago, students did start to move into Pitsmoor and a few grab-a-buck landlords started to take an interest. I remember this well because as a kid I started seeing all these nervous scruffy teenagers with paper folders at the bus stops. This influx only lasted a couple of years as the Uni and Poly started to advise their students to steer clear. There is more of a market now and I actually believe that there is enough of a critical mass of reasonably well-off home-owners to ensure that Pitsmoor does not return to its "no go area" status. However, there are still a few streets that I would not live on and a little local knowledge should be tapped before any investment is made.

I'm a landlady with several properties some of which are in Pitsmoor. I was lucky enough to buy when the prices were cheap (£8k for a one bed flat)

I am not fast buck landlady; all my properties are decent, clean with good spec. I have seen the area change for the better; I have had the benefit of improvements made through a regeneration scheme but have spent more than that on making sure my properties are of a good standard.

I only take tenants on recommendation in that area. The last property I let I could have let 4 times over, I find it a very popular place with local people. I am involved in local community groups and do my best to help the regeneration of the area.

If you are not only interested in making a quick buck I'd recommend the area as a long term investment, prices are still cheap enough to be worth a go.

Originally posted by Musey
I'm a landlady with several properties some of which are in Pitsmoor. I was lucky enough to buy when the prices were cheap (£8k for a one bed flat)

I am not fast buck landlady; all my properties are decent, clean with good spec. I have seen the area change for the better; I have had the benefit of improvements made through a regeneration scheme but have spent more than that on making sure my properties are of a good standard.

I only take tenants on recommendation in that area. The last property I let I could have let 4 times over, I find it a very popular place with local people. I am involved in local community groups and do my best to help the regeneration of the area.

If you are not only interested in making a quick buck I'd recommend the area as a long term investment, prices are still cheap enough to be worth a go.

Well said!! :clap:

Hiya

I teach adult education in schools across Burngreave & Pitsmoor, and have to say that I have always found the local people to be very warm and friendly.

In my opinion .............. you reap what you sow.

lol

Candy

.......................

I find it interesting that people who don't live in an area feel motivated to comment on it. I've lived in Pitsmoor for about 7 months now, and really like it.

When we were looking to buy somewhere, we were a little put off by Pitsmoor's reputation, but that's largely what it is - reputation. In reality, it's a pretty quiet area, with the odd bit of antisocial behaviour. In the last 7 months, the only examples of this kind of behaviour that I have been aware of were; some drunk teenagers throwing some bottles around on our road (not at anyone, I should add); the usual fireworks biz around bonfire night (but confined to 2 or 3 nights); and 2 lads starting a wheelie bin bonfire in Burngreave Cemetery (the day after bonfire night). With the wheelie bin incident, myself and two other people on my street went to talk to them and point out that we don't like this sort of thing going on - and that's one of the things I like about Pitsmoor; people a) know each other, b) are prepared to engage with each other, and c) look out for each other.

Our neighbours are lovely, and we were made to feel very welcome when we moved in. If you've live all your life in Totley or Chiswick or somewhere like that, it may not be your cup of tea, but I moved to Sheffield from east London, and Pitsmoor is a teddy bear's picnic in comparison.

So, if people want to move to Pitsmoor and contribute to our little community, we will make you very welcome. If you want to "buy to let" and make a fast buck, perhaps you ought to bugger off elsewhere.

We need more contributions like the post above from Mr Clumpit, as I think they are the kind of thing people are after when they ask "What's this area like?" Informed stuff about a particular area, based on what it's actually like to live there. The stuff they *can't get* themselves by reading scare-stories in the Sheffield Star or looking up the spurious statistics on UpMyStreet.

I don't think questioners want to be told that (let's use fake place-names here to avoid getting anyone's back up) "Leafyville has only 2 car thefts per 1000 residents and Leafyville School gets 70% in the league tables and the children there are apple-cheeked cherubs who all play the violin and speak French - but you should avoid Sprocketgate like the plague, because Sprocketgate has 567 car thefts per 1000 residents and Sprocketgate Lane Comp is in special measures and you should carry a knife before you even consider stepping over the threshold."

They want to hear from people who live in Sprocketgate. They want to know if there's a Sprocketgate Community Association, and if it does any good. They want to know if the neighbours in Sprocketgate seem friendly, or if they all hide behind their curtains and won't help you if you're in trouble. They want to know what it *feels* like to live there.

Well, I would.

Worth a thought?

Originally posted by DannyBoy
We need more contributions like the post above from Mr Clumpit, as I think they are the kind of thing people are after when they ask "What's this area like?" Informed stuff about a particular area, based on what it's actually like to live there. The stuff they *can't get* themselves by reading scare-stories in the Sheffield Star or looking up the spurious statistics on UpMyStreet.

I don't think questioners want to be told that (let's use fake place-names here to avoid getting anyone's back up) "Leafyville has only 2 car thefts per 1000 residents and Leafyville School gets 70% in the league tables and the children there are apple-cheeked cherubs who all play the violin and speak French - but you should avoid Sprocketgate like the plague, because Sprocketgate has 567 car thefts per 1000 residents and Sprocketgate Lane Comp is in special measures and you should carry a knife before you even consider stepping over the threshold."

They want to hear from people who live in Sprocketgate. They want to know if there's a Sprocketgate Community Association, and if it does any good. They want to know if the neighbours in Sprocketgate seem friendly, or if they all hide behind their curtains and won't help you if you're in trouble. They want to know what it *feels* like to live there.

Well, I would.

Worth a thought?

No. If they want that, they should specify that they only want to hear from people who live in their area of interest. Otherwise, it's a public forum and is open to the FACTS and opinions to be introduced by everyone and anyone. They all add to the greater picture.

Originally posted by t020
No. If they want that, they should specify that they only want to hear from people who live in their area of interest. Otherwise, it's a public forum and is open to the FACTS and opinions to be introduced by everyone and anyone. They all add to the greater picture.

No. The problem is that some people don't quote the facts- they quote opinions as facts.

People sometimes say things like "Naah, Spongeworth is an 'orrible dump, don't even think about living there", or "Grandstreet is by far the nicest part of the city" when they've never even set foot in Spongeworth and have nothing to compare Grandstreet with.

Testimonies from people who actually live in the area are far more valuable - anybody can look up the crime stats on UpMyStreet, but you only get "horse's mouth" views in a place like this.

Comments from anyone else?

I agree DannyBoy, as mentioned earlier in this thread I live in Burngreave and find it a great place to live. It's quiet, people are friendly, I never see any trouble. The majority of people on this forum will give useful information. You just have to exclude T020's bigoted views, if this were a court of law then they would not admissible as evidence!
And Great post from Mr_clumpit.
:D

yup there is absoulutly no way...

Hi

I was born and grew up in Pitsmoor. I left when i was 18, and i'm 27 now.

When i moved from the area, it was quite a dangerous place to live. I am still not keen on the place, as go there quite a lot as some of the family still live near there.

When i was little, it was a great place, but it grew to be quite dangerous.

Everyone has their own opinion, and some people like the place and some do not. Just like some people might not like where i live at Highfields.

Places change and people change with them, but it is what suits somebody and makes them smile that should be the most important thing.

ive lived in pitsmoor twice 1977-1982 and 94-95 and yes it was a bit rough but things have changed for the better with a lot of money been invested in the area

id love to know if tory boy has actually been to pitsmoor or does he just gets his opinions from the sheffield star:(

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
You could ask T020 when he last actually came to the area; he may not hear you though from the top of that incredibly high horse he is always perched on!

I'm assuming he has never been to the area.

Originally posted by DannyBoy
No. The problem is that some people don't quote the facts- they quote opinions as facts.

People sometimes say things like "Naah, Spongeworth is an 'orrible dump, don't even think about living there", or "Grandstreet is by far the nicest part of the city" when they've never even set foot in Spongeworth and have nothing to compare Grandstreet with.

Testimonies from people who actually live in the area are far more valuable - anybody can look up the crime stats on UpMyStreet, but you only get "horse's mouth" views in a place like this.

Comments from anyone else?


No... I don't think "Spongeworth is a horrible dump" can EVER be mistaken as a FACT. It's clearly a subjective statement and is therefore an opinion. Facts are more obvious, e.g. crime figures, indices of deprivation, life expectancies, house prices, etc etc. So long as a source is provided I don't see the problem. Once again I'll say that ALL true facts and peoples' opinions are useful contributions to a discussion, unless only a certain set of opinions are specifically requested (which, when coming from the area in question are invariably going to be favourably biased).

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
I agree DannyBoy, as mentioned earlier in this thread I live in Burngreave and find it a great place to live. It's quiet, people are friendly, I never see any trouble. The majority of people on this forum will give useful information. You just have to exclude T020's bigoted views, if this were a court of law then they would not admissible as evidence!
And Great post from Mr_clumpit.
:D

There's nothing "bigoted" about quoting and referencing hard FACTS. There's also nothing wrong with throwing in an opinion based on said facts and experiences on a FORUM (look up the word, and also "allodoxaphobia" while you're at it).

The problem comes when some people claim only to post the facts (sorry, the FACTS) and then mix them in with clearly subjective and inflammatory opinion. And some sources of facts (sorry, SOURCES of FACTS) are not necessarily giving the true picture - UpMyStreet is dubious, for example - while others, e.g. school league tables, are fundamentally flawed in the way they gather their data.

I don't think people living in the area are "inevitably" going to be favourably biased - see the fair range of views above from people who live, or have lived, in Pitsmoor.

Originally posted by coopster1974
We bought a house in Shirecliffe (not far from Pitsmoor) 3 years ago (brand new) for 78k

Its now worth about 155k.

Read into that what you will.


If someone payed 155k for a house in shirecliffe they must be out of their mind.

Originally posted by DannyBoy
The problem comes when some people claim only to post the facts (sorry, the FACTS) and then mix them in with clearly subjective and inflammatory opinion. And some sources of facts (sorry, SOURCES of FACTS) are not necessarily giving the true picture - UpMyStreet is dubious, for example - while others, e.g. school league tables, are fundamentally flawed in the way they gather their data.

But many sources (e.g. official council and government statistics) are very useful. And it's not unusual practice to follow up a fact with an opinion - it's pretty standard for writing.

Originally posted by DannyBoy

I don't think people living in the area are "inevitably" going to be favourably biased - see the fair range of views above from people who live, or have lived, in Pitsmoor.

But who replies is up to the starter of the thread, not you. Some thread starters specify "only if you live or have lived in X", whereas others don't specify. It's their call and not yours.

Some stats may be worth quoting, others may not. Often their full meaning is not apparent without knowing the circumstances in which they were arrived at. It may be "pretty standard for writing" to follow facts with opinions, but it's also good practice to make a clear distinction between them. And I'm a professional writer, so no patronising comments.

I just think it's a curious way to go about answering. If someone on here asked "What's Loxley like to move to?", I'd say, as a new resident, that it has friendly people, it's quiet, it has a lovely open and rural feel and you can be out in the Peak District in five minutes and yet it's only a short hop to the shops, that the local community organisation is getting up and running again and we've recently had a Village Appraisal, that my daughter has started at the excellent local primary school and is very happy there - that sort of thing.

I wouldn't bother quoting where it is in the crime rankings or the unemployment tables or the school league tables, or what the house prices are like, because that's information which you can easily find out - if you're really bothered - without asking a resident. Of course anyone is free to post whatever they like on here, but that doesn't mean it's all useful. The endless parroting of dubious government statistics smacks of a hidden agenda.

As for UpMyStreet, it's about as reliable as oneiromancy. That's one of those big words, which I expect can be found in the same dictionary as "allodoxaphobia".

I'm another one of those members who was brought up in Pitsmoor, where my mother still lives. I see truth in both sides of the argument here.

When I left Pitsmoor in 1990 it was, on the whole, a "dump". It has since then improved vastly, and this must be put down to EU Objective One money. However, if one were to compare it with other places in the city, it would still be near the bottom of the league table.

Pitsmoor is however at an advantage over other areas in North Sheffield, such as Shiregreen, Southey or Parson Cross, and that is its housing stock. Observers here have been right in noting its grand (well, semi-grand) Victorian housing, which other areas do not have. This makes Pitsmoor a prime site for gentrification in the future.

Originally posted by fhain29

Pitsmoor is however at an advantage over other areas in North Sheffield, such as Shiregreen, Southey or Parson Cross, and that is its housing stock. Observers here have been right in noting its grand (well, semi-grand) Victorian housing, which other areas do not have. This makes Pitsmoor a prime site for gentrification in the future.

You're right - it used to be quite a "genteel" area, didn't it? Quite a few decades back, I mean. Those big houses were the residences of doctors and solicitors.

I looked up the 1901 census online for our house, and most of the street. At that point, the people living in our house were a watch and clock maker and his family. Other residents of the street had jobs like bank clerk, school mistress, and so forth. Quite well-to-do.

Areas often go up and down over a cycle. I pity anyone who buys somewhere to live because they think they're going to make a fat profit, and end up being miserable because they hate the place and get stuck in negative equity. Stupid, really. Houses are for living in, not making money from, you know.

Of course, people like me are very lucky. I do live in an area that I chose, and therefore I am bound to like it. Lots of people are stuck in sh*t housing in an area they don't like, and desperate to move elsewhere. But they don't have the money to make those choices.

Originally posted by DannyBoy
Of course anyone is free to post whatever they like on here,


Oh, well as long as it's ok by YOU...

Loads of common sense posted on this already but I just wanted to challenge this pitsmoor = low house prices nonsense. Pitsmoor now has several little middle-class enclaves, with house prices comparable to more "fashionable" areas of sheffield. Government stats etc rarely pick up these areas as they are relatively small (the odd street) and have a low turnover (people tend to stay put because it is actually nice there!)

Anyone who has looked seriously at Pitsmoor and done some real research will know that the place is in transition. A way to go, and yes, there are still places that I wouldn't live in (I grew up in Pitsmoor) - but there may now be enough of a critical mass of nice streets to maintain the improving trend even if other more fashionable spots become more affordable.

Incidentally, the worst thing that could happen to Pitsmoor is an increase in slum landlords. If you are not buying to live there, and you are looking to make bucks from bargain basement rental please stay away....

Originally posted by toy_soldier
If someone payed 155k for a house in shirecliffe they must be out of their mind.

More like 190k now :D and we have our Asian friends to thank for buying houses round here at the the prices they have been selling for lately.

Does that satisfy your nobnosed comment?

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Originally posted by jfoe
Anyone who has looked seriously at Pitsmoor and done some real research will know that the place is in transition. A way to go, and yes, there are still places that I wouldn't live in (I grew up in Pitsmoor) - but there may now be enough of a critical mass of nice streets to maintain the improving trend even if other more fashionable spots become more affordable.

Incidentally, the worst thing that could happen to Pitsmoor is an increase in slum landlords. If you are not buying to live there, and you are looking to make bucks from bargain basement rental please stay away....

I agree!

Incidentally, the worst thing that could happen to Pitsmoor is an increase in slum landlords. If you are not buying to live there, and you are looking to make bucks from bargain basement rental please stay away....

Couldn't agree more. But we also need to make sure that, in areas like Pitsmoor, enough property to rent is available at affordable prices (i.e. is outside of the market). Otherwise (and I know some will find this hard to believe), lots of people who live there now will be priced out as house prices and rents shoot up in the name of "gentrification". Seen it in London over and over again - areas that were considered not good to live in 10 years ago are now unaffordable to most people. This is bad for communities, people get resentful that they are forced out - and you have to live next door to yuppies. Ugh!

by the way, how do you do the "originally quoted by..." bit in the white box? Can't work it out.

To20 is a ignorant baffoon I've lived in both Ecclessall & Pitsmoor I've seen drunken idiots every weekend on Eccles, police, violence.........Pitsmoor will be a up & coming area the house are big new developments are underway, theres going to be a supermarket, new shops, new houses are to be built it is close to the city centre.

T020 you don't know what your talking about property is rising faster than so called affluent areas, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT

...Personally, I'd stay well clear.

Originally posted by mr_clumpit
by the way, how do you do the "originally quoted by..." bit in the white box? Can't work it out.

I just click on "quote" at the bottom of the post I want to quote, if it's a long post & I want to refer to a bit of it I just delete the unrequired stuff.

Originally posted by Musey
I just click on "quote" at the bottom of the post I want to quote, if it's a long post & I want to refer to a bit of it I just delete the unrequired stuff.

Aha. Thank you;)

Originally posted by Sassybee
To20 is a ignorant baffoon I've lived in both Ecclessall & Pitsmoor I've seen drunken idiots every weekend on Eccles, police, violence.........Pitsmoor will be a up & coming area the house are big new developments are underway, theres going to be a supermarket, new shops, new houses are to be built it is close to the city centre.

T020 you don't know what your talking about property is rising faster than so called affluent areas, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT

No, YOU don't know what you're talking about. When you say "drunken idiots every weekend on Eccles", what you're talking about is Ecclesall ROAD. When I say Ecclesall, I mean ECCLESALL, not the road that eventually leads to the place. :rolleyes:

As for property prices rising faster in poorer areas - yes, they are, and that is to be expected. The upper ends of the market are the driving force and the rest follow until the disparity is lessened. They never catch up though, and they never will.

Originally posted by t020
I say Ecclesall, I mean ECCLESALL, not the road that eventually leads to the place.

Where does Ecclesall actually start ? is it when you get into Ecclesall Road South ?

Originally posted by mega_monty
Where does Ecclesall actually start ? is it when you get into Ecclesall Road South ?

The council ward of Ecclesall starts from just past Hunters Bar roundabout leading out of town. The ward includes areas such as Endcliffe, Greystones, Brincliffe, High Storrs, Whirlow, Parkhead, etc, as well as Ecclesall itself, of course. The actual area of Ecclesall itself begins past the top of Banner Cross heading out of town on Ecclesall Road South.

Originally posted by mr_clumpit
Couldn't agree more. But we also need to make sure that, in areas like Pitsmoor, enough property to rent is available at affordable prices (i.e. is outside of the market).

Agreed - the trick is getting the tenure mix right - and ensuring social housing / low-price rents are not concentrated into (sink) streets. This is incredibly difficult to achieve without some serious social engineering and we don't have a nanny state - do we?!?

Originally posted by t020
The upper ends of the market are the driving force and the rest follow until the disparity is lessened. They never catch up though, and they never will.

Good!

I have lived in Pitsmoor, Ecclesall, Abbeydale and several other parts of London, Leeds etc. Give me a mixed, socially diverse, culturally rich place to live in anyday!

Whirlow Farm Country Fayre or Abbeyfield Park festival? I know where I'd be!