I have seen on sky news that some muslims are attacking billboards which according to them show scantily clad women which they find offensive.
Is this the right way to do things in a democratic country,or are they simply fanatics who shoul'd be arrested and charged with criminal damage?

Disgusting behaviour - think of the long term effects.

Husbands, unable to get their daily fix of billboard totty will go looking for the real thing. Divorce rates go through the roof. More kids from broken homes in trouble with the law. In 40 years there'll be no society to speak of.

Lock em up!

Yes they are fanatics. but you are making sound like ALL muslims are doing this and not just a couple, as is more likely the case. I seem to remember similar things have also been done by extreme christians, and feminists, and plain old drunk students.

Anyone caught doing it should be arrested and given a caution, as it's against the law. Just like speeding. :)

The title of this thread is a bit misleading isn't it? Perhaps it would be better to say 'Some Extremist Muslims Have Attacked a Few Billboards'. :D

I used to know a few women that did this a few years ago. I pulled a few tory ones down in the 1992 election on the way home from the pub because I found them offensive.

Are BNP members racist thugs who promote racial hatred?

Roy, you seem to have a fixation about Muslims. Were you scared by one as a child? I would recommend you go and seek psychiatric help as virtually every post of yours in one way or another attempts to denigrate members of one of the worlds leading religions.

Well I have to say to Max that personal insults are supposed to be against the forum rules and you being a MOD ought to know better.
Still attack the messenger and not the message eh?:mad:

Originally posted by max
Roy, you seem to have a fixation about Muslims. Were you scared by one as a child? I would recommend you go and seek psychiatric help as virtually every post of yours in one way or another attempts to denigrate members of one of the worlds leading religions.

Aww, come on. Now that there aren't many communists left, People needssomeone to be scared of. Everyone needs a hobby you know? :D

Originally posted by royjames
Well I have to say to Max that personal insults are supposed to be against the forum rules and you being a MOD ought to know better.
Still attack the messenger and not the message eh?:mad:

What EXACTLY is the message Roy? Please clarify.

Originally posted by royjames
Well I have to say to Max that personal insults are supposed to be against the forum rules and you being a MOD ought to know better.
Still attack the messenger and not the message eh?:mad:
Sorry Roy but it appeared (to me) that Max was asking a question and offering advice on possible help rather than a direct attack.
:D

Oh yeah, sorry I overlooked that..... RoyJames the messenger of truth!

Originally posted by royjames
Well I have to say to Max that personal insults are supposed to be against the forum rules and you being a MOD ought to know better.
Still attack the messenger and not the message eh?:mad:

No Roy, I'm not insulting you so I am not breaking any rules. I am seriously concerned for your mental health. Please, please seek help before your fixation with Muslims goes too far.

As to the message, I don't see any problem with anyone defacing billboards, within reason of course. It's a risk that advertisers take when they put them up.

"Are Muslims intolerant?" asks the poll.

No Mr James - I can happy happily consume many foodstuffs, including wheat, eggs, nuts and cow's milk.

Originally posted by Abdul
"Are Muslims intolerant?" asks the poll.

No Mr James - I can happy happily consume many foodstuffs, including wheat, eggs, nuts and cow's milk.

Ah but do you pull down billboards on the way home from the boozer...come on Abdul own up! :P

[QUOTE]Originally posted by max
[B]No Roy, I'm not insulting you so I am not breaking any rules. I am seriously concerned for your mental health. Please, please seek help before your fixation with Muslims goes too far.

I will take that comment with a pinch of salt,I think that you are being rather silly now dont you?
To Snook the message is that SOME muslims are indeed intolerant and if they choose to come and live in this country then they ought to respect our ways.
I await the usual cries of racist. :hihi:

Originally posted by royjames
[QUOTE]Originally posted by max
[B]No Roy, I'm not insulting you so I am not breaking any rules. I am seriously concerned for your mental health. Please, please seek help before your fixation with Muslims goes too far.

I will take that comment with a pinch of salt,I think that you are being rather silly now dont you?
To Snook the message is that SOME muslims are indeed intolerant and if they choose to come and live in this country then they ought to respect our ways.
I await the usual cries of racist. :hihi:

"Racist!" - there ya go, wouldn't want you disappointed.

*Deep breath* Roy, you can say exactly the same about Christians, or Jews, or any other faith or group of people. Your comments are, yes, racist. What makes you assume that a Muslim that is offended by a billboard was not born in this country, or isn't white, or can't trace their ancestry back to the stone age like you can? Should we trace the roots of feminists that do the same thing and 'send them back' as well?

Anyone vandalizing public property which includes billboards is illegal and therefore should answer to the law.:loopy:

Originally posted by royjames
To Snook the message is that SOME muslims are indeed intolerant and if they choose to come and live in this country then they ought to respect our ways.

'Choose to come and live in this country' - I'd expect most of them were actually born here, Mr James.

Perhaps you should blame their parents instead?

Abdul, most of their parents were born here also.

I love how Roy believes he speaks for the land, what an idiot. And once again he proves he knows nothing about history, and while claiming he's being attacked again, classic Royism's.

"How Dare You, How Dare You!" You really do make yourself look like a clown fella.

Originally posted by owdlad
Abdul, most of their parents were born here also.

Send their grandparents back then :D

Its safer to blame the government of those days for filling the employment gap with jonny foriegner.

WW2 left a huge hole in the countrys work force and the government filled the hole with any one who was willing to work for a free passport.

So we should blame Hitler really.

Originally posted by Abdul
Send their grandparents back then :D


I bet it's them old Muslims who keep pulling down the billboards, on their way home from the Mosque, aye send the buggas back home......to the various parts of Sheffield where they were born. :P

Originally posted by jonsastar
Its safer to blame the government of those days for filling the employment gap with jonny foriegner.

WW2 left a huge hole in the countrys work force and the government filled the hole with any one who was willing to work for a free passport.

So we should blame Hitler really.

I never knew Hitler was a Muslim :suspect: He was a bit shifty though :)

Originally posted by owdlad
I bet it's them old Muslims who keep pulling down the billboards, on their way home from the Mosque, aye send the buggas back home......to the various parts of Sheffield where they were born. :P

Perish the thought that respected Muslim elders would have the energy to go and tear down billboards :o

MARTINDUST IF YOU CONTINUE TO NAME CALL ME ALL YOU WILL DO IS GET THE POST CLOSED SO SHOW SOME COMMON SENSE.
NAMES LIKE IDIOT BELONG IN THE GUTTER,I WONT RESPOND AS I DONT WANT TO SINK TO YOUR LEVEL OF DEBATE.

Originally posted by Abdul
Perish the thought that respected Muslim elders would have the energy to go and tear down billboards :o

Or the time! Given that they are always plotting to blow up all the upstanding white Christian citizens who are just minding their own business and not committing any crimes or ever doing anything wrong. God bless whitey!

Originally posted by Snook
Or the time! Given that they are always plotting to blow up all the upstanding white Christian citizens who are just minding their own business and not committing any crimes or ever doing anything wrong. God bless whitey!

Ooooh Snooky is that a personal attack upon the white folk of this fair land.

I always wondered what the muslim elders of this country were doing Snook, didnt realise that they all wanted us whiteys dead, thought that was just the evil minority.

Now Now Children.........My god! you should all look at the way you are acting!

If anyone breaks the law no matter what religion they belong to they should be charged with the relevant laws.

For anyone to applaud any type of criminal activity just shows what kind of people there are in here.

Royjames - you know and everyone knows you're a BNP supporter/member.

Do you honestly think that starting these threads calling Muslims intollerant etc etc will change ANYONE'S mind come the next election and go - oh yeah I'll vote BNP instead of Labour - Tory cos you've posted it on here?

You've had your response from people on here numerous times in the past with different threads you've started - don't you think it's time you let it drop?

Originally posted by royjames
MARTINDUST IF YOU CONTINUE TO NAME CALL ME ALL YOU WILL DO IS GET THE POST CLOSED SO SHOW SOME COMMON SENSE.
NAMES LIKE IDIOT BELONG IN THE GUTTER,I WONT RESPOND AS I DONT WANT TO SINK TO YOUR LEVEL OF DEBATE.

No need to shout, IMHO you are one, that my right isn't it? How can you be insulted, you manage to insult 99.9% of this forum with every post.

You don't debate anything, you just endlessly repeat yourself again and again. And very post is aimed at causing racial tension, you are a disgrace.

If you want to debate something, lets debate why you blame muslims and immigrants for everything? And why they get mentioned if 99.9% of your threads.

Lets talk about David Myatt attending your meetings.

Lets go Roy, answer those three and we'll have a good debate and I promise not to call you names.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Now Now Children.........My god! you should all look at the way you are acting!

If anyone breaks the law no matter what religion they belong to they should be charged with the relevant laws.

For anyone to applaud any type of criminal activity just shows what kind of people there are in here.

Who applauded it? We are just having a laugh at how see-through this post is... as you said yourself 'no matter what religion'... so why pick on something as daft as this.

I read tonight of a young man who had created a one man crime wave. He was white, should we say all white people are thieves? Just as Roy implied that all Muslims are intolerant?

Roy, people have been defacing advertisement posters for years, people of all races, in all countries, of all ages. I've done it myself in the past and you can see billboards around Sheffield right now that have been pulled down or had slogans written on them. It's nothing to do with race, culture or religion.

If large companies are allowed to put up adverts all over our cities with ****e that people don't want to see or find offensive, then they're fair game to be defaced.

How do you react to stories of pro BNP slogans and rascist comments sprayed on walls or billboards?

Incidentally when irn bru put up controversial posters of a cow with the slogan 'when im a burger, i want to be washed down with irn bru' outside hindu temples - they also reacted in very much the same way and had the adverts pulled.

Now I didnt find it offensive, but I can accept other people do and therefore its not entirely right for it to be there if it is going to cause problems in the community.

but then that doesnt matter does it, they are brown so must be pak*s or muslims to anybody who is a BNP supporter.

Does anybody remember Phoenix Nights, when they reopen the club and have the acoustic folk band on... who sang 'send the buggers back....' - sure that wasnt our own RJ ;)

Originally posted by royjames
MARTINDUST IF YOU CONTINUE TO NAME CALL ME ALL YOU WILL DO IS GET THE POST CLOSED SO SHOW SOME COMMON SENSE.
NAMES LIKE IDIOT BELONG IN THE GUTTER,I WONT RESPOND AS I DONT WANT TO SINK TO YOUR LEVEL OF DEBATE.

Hehe. . . I like it. . . "I WON'T SINK TO YOUR LEVEL OF INTERLECT, AS I'M A BIT UNARMED. . HOWEVER, I WILL APPEAR TO RAISE MY VOICE. . AS THIS IS A TRIED AND TESTED METHOD OF BEING RIGHT!!!"

Originally posted by royjames
MARTINDUST IF YOU CONTINUE TO NAME CALL ME ALL YOU WILL DO IS GET THE POST CLOSED SO SHOW SOME COMMON SENSE.

Where did you show your common sense when you started this thread then :loopy:

If you had any common sense why start threads like this in the first place ? You already know the views of some of the Forum users on topics like this.

Max is right, you have a real problem mate!

Originally posted by munky
Hehe. . . I like it. . . "I WON'T SINK TO YOUR LEVEL OF INTERLECT, AS I'M A BIT UNARMED. . HOWEVER, I WILL APPEAR TO RAISE MY VOICE. . AS THIS IS A TRIED AND TESTED METHOD OF BEING RIGHT!!!"

I've been reported to the marxist mods, hope I'll be alright.

Originally posted by Martin Dust
I've been reported to the marxist mods, hope I'll be alright.

ohh. . . gosh no. . you is for the chop, you've proper had it now. . . hehe. .

This thread is stupid, Im not coming back.

I know I know, he's split to teacher rather than answer a single thing. He's taken his ball in, proper tup on - wonder what he'd be like in a difficult meeting, big cry baby.

Probably run its course now... all those in favour of asking the nice mods to close before it gets daft(er)?:hihi:

oK first of to snook I said SOME muslims are like that not allI fail to see the implication.
To M D you really are a plonker aern't you,you name call and then have the cheek to complain when you get reported for it.
And to those who say I know what some think on here yes I do ,but its on the news and so is fair game for comment.

Originally posted by royjames
oK first of to snook I said SOME muslims are like that not allI fail to see the implication.
To M D you really are a plonker aern't you,you name call and then have the cheek to complain when you get reported for it.
And to those who say I know what some think on here yes I do ,but its on the news and so is fair game for comment.

Classic, you complain about me and then do the same, wicked Royism. I wasn't complaining, it's called sarcasm Roy.

Well well some mod has alterd my post suprise suprise,who gives you the right to change my post.

What did they change Roy?

Originally posted by royjames
Well well some mod has alterd my post suprise suprise,who gives you the right to change my post.

Which post was it? I've looked through your posts on here, painful, but someone has to do it, but can find no evidence of any alteration.

They put in should this post be removed,nothing like free speech is there?
I wonder which one did it?I have a idea who.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Are BNP members racist thugs who promote racial hatred?


WOW!!!!!!! I never knew that,,,,,lol whatever gives you that idea.

Sorry let me refrase what I said I meant the poll I put on has been changed.

Originally posted by tango2
WOW!!!!!!! I never knew that,,,,,lol whatever gives you that idea.
It was to get Roy to say no but some of em may be
Which would have promoted me to say that well then some muslims may be inciting racial hatred but not all so stop being a prat.

He dint bite tho! He doesn't seem to get that his constant posting of these subjects doesn't actully get him anywhere and frankly most of us are a little ****** off at em.

They put in should this post be removed,nothing like free speech is there?

So as an advocate of free speech your problem with this option is..?

Well I have made my point about the topic so you will pleased to hear I wont comment further on it.
lol sighs of releif around the site.
Mind you will still post on the nick griffin topic.:hihi:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
frankly most of us are a little ****** off at em.

Thats an understatment id say more than a little ****** off with them

Originally posted by royjames
Sorry let me refrase what I said I meant the poll I put on has been changed.

I added one option - for people who felt the poll contributed nothing to the debate because of the absolute/ignorant nature of the responses. (absolute - Yes/No, ignorant - don't know) available.

If you would like to suggest a more balanced poll on a sensitive topic such as this, I will be happy to reset the poll with those options.

mmmmm Roy James accuses that Muslims are intolerant?

The words, Pot, Kettle and Black springs to mind.

(apologies if suggesting you are anything but the purest white has put you into a fit of uncontrollable rage Roy)

Originally posted by fyybj
If large companies are allowed to put up adverts all over our cities with ****e that people don't want to see or find offensive, then they're fair game to be defaced.

I agree. Advertising hoardings are temporary, although if you see one with spray on it or a comment, then It draws your attention even more. I love the ones at heeley bottom when the feminists have added their comments..

If you are offended by a poster. I say rip it down, It's only paper.

The 'extremist organisation' in question has a name (Muslims Against Advertising - -MAAD) and has been running a website for a few years.

Their geocities website has exceeded its allocated data transfer and is currently down

http://www.geocities.com/no_adverts/

but feel free to check out the google cache here (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:83GwmbrtaYcJ:www.geocities.com/no_adverts/+&hl=en)

Freedom of speech and thought - don't you just love it :D

Roy . . you should really be working for the Sunday Sport. You seem to make any tin-pot two-bit rumour into a huge scale war!

So, exactly how many billboard/s were wrecked?? 1 or maybe 2.

Wow . . thats an incredible story, thanks for letting the world know of such a disaster that will not only wreak havoc with the national economy but will cause starvation and death around Sheffield.

Lets go back in time shall we, as thats where you tend to live anyway, or your views belong anyhow. Do you remember when BNP - NF - Pak*s go home - Ni****s go home - Blacks out was sprayed on walls and black people lived in fear??? or is this NEWS to you? probably not . . . you know why? because IT IS NEWS!! not the tripe that you post!

You really are a sad individual with a bleak outlook on life. Looking at an incident that others wouldn't even think twice about and making a mountain out of it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,708140,00.html

Billboards have been defaced/ torn down, campaigned against for as long as i can remember,

does anyone remember the car advert, about 15 or so years ago, (which was a bit offensive), which went "if this car were a lady, it'd get its bottom pinched!" the billboards were defaced by some feminist groups, who responded with graffiti which read ""and if this lady were a car, she'd run you down!"

or the perfume advert, which was withdrawn, which featured a naked Sophie Dahl...?

or the hilarious defacing of the holsten pils advertising poster, which featured a pig, and some vandals painted the pig with red and white stripes, on the one outside bramall LAne football ground, an d IIRC, the one near hillsboro was pianted with blue-and white stripes?? (either way, that was funny! my boss has that picture -the one with the red and white stripes!-as his wallpaper on his PC. I am not bothered, I find it quite funny, and I am a Blades supporter!)

We did not get any reports of muslims defacing *that* picture; defacing it on the grounds that a pig is an unclean animal, in Islam...

i am no prude, but I agree with the people who object to the use of naked or near-naked bodies on advertising hoardings. I do not want to endure naked bodies "shoved in my face" from adverts.

PT

Originally posted by royjames
I have seen on sky news that some muslims are attacking billboards which according to them show scantily clad women which they find offensive.
Is this the right way to do things in a democratic country,or are they simply fanatics who shoul'd be arrested and charged with criminal damage?

I think the whole point of being in a democratic country is that we *can* protest the things we are offended by.

Criminal damage is illegal and is dealt with as such. And many many many many groups resort to it, as others have mentioned.

Some Muslim groups may be doing it, as are feminists, anarchists, socialists, other religious groups, racists, and others. Singling out one group as 'intolerant' is just narrow-minded and frightened.

In a free society it is the right of a group of people to organize against what it perceives as offensive. Many of these special interest groups fail to get their voice heard unless they have money and clout to make the social changes through government lobbying and advertising to sway public opinion.

By painting over these billboards, this group wants to gain media attention and get their word out. Remember, bad news sells better in media than good news. If members get arrested for vandalizing these signs they will only get more attention.

Pointing out the fact that the group is Muslim (Islam, being conservative) is no different than pointing out that it was a group of Conservative Christians, Hindus, etc. I find the remarks that somehow pointing out that this group is Muslim, as opposed to something else, as being racist truly offensive.

Calling someone a racist is all too easy and common these days. We live in a world in which people ARE different. To call someone a racist just because someone describes another person as Muslim, white, black, etc., is just plain wrong.

However, if someone is against a group and consistently tries to degrade that group either through disparaging remarks or subversively pointing out their faults, then that person may be considered a racist. What is the case here?

I know a senior religious figure who paints ‘would Jesus fox hunt?’ on Country side alliance billboards at night.

A Christian religion.

Originally posted by Chicago
What is the case here?

Since Roy and the BNP only object to non-Aryan influences upon our society, I'd describe him as racist.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
I know a senior religious figure who paints ‘would Jesus fox hunt?’ on Country side alliance billboards at night.

But it's the wrong question :rolleyes:

Even if Jesus found fox hunting distasteful, - would he deny others the right to do so ?

Originally posted by Greybeard
Even if Jesus found fox hunting distasteful, - would he deny others the right to do so ?

Probably not, but I think he would do what he could to get his feelings and opinions heard.

Like writing on billboards maybe.

Originally posted by Greybeard
But it's the wrong question :rolleyes:

Even if Jesus found fox hunting distasteful, - would he deny others the right to do so ?

Yes, with a whip if needs be.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Yes, with a whip if needs be.

Is that sado-Christanity ? :)

Even if Jesus found fox hunting distasteful, - would he deny others the right to do so ?

Jesus wasn't a stranger to active protest - according to the Bible he made quite a violent attack on the money lenders' "stalls" in the Temple

Originally posted by Siân
Jesus wasn't a stranger to active protest - according to the Bible he made quite a violent attack on the money lenders' "stalls" in the Temple

With a whip.

Or am I reading a different version of the bible? published by bondage friendly Christians perhaps.

Or am I reading a different version of the bible? published by bondage friendly Christians perhaps.

Love it!

I have a disturbing mental pic now of that done in the illustrative style of the Good News Bible :hihi: :hihi:

(and yup I knew what you were refering to - I guess I kind of insulted Greybeard by assuming he didn't - apologies)

Originally posted by royjames
I have seen on sky news that some muslims are attacking billboards which according to them show scantily clad women which they find offensive.
Is this the right way to do things in a democratic country,or are they simply fanatics who shoul'd be arrested and charged with criminal damage?

We appear to be entering Chris Morris territory. :roll:

Wonder if they were on Cake Tony, that stuff is pretty mental ;)

And YET AGAIN another thread turns into a racist debate with personal insults.

I can understand why Geoff closed the forum last week. No doubt he's just shaking his head and sighing at this latest farce.

Just grow up and stop ruining it for the rest of us.

RoyJames - Why is it that near enough (I say 'near enough' because credit where its due not each one is - but 99.9% are!!!) each thread you start is always to stir something up?

What is your next choice of topic? How "apparently" gays are spoiling our society - well B.N.P. supporters/members are able to do that themselves without any help from anyone else.

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt it you who late last year denounced all links with the B.N.P. - yet you show all the attributes of a B.N.P. supporter/member.

Also have you ever taken into account that it may actualy be a small minority of muslims who do this? Yet you are wiling to tar everyone with the same brush.

No matter which religion you follow somewhere down the line they have opposed one billboard or another.

Originally posted by ARMANI
Correct me if im wrong but wasnt it you who late last year denounced all links with the B.N.P. - yet you show all the attributes of a B.N.P. supporter/member.

No that was delboy3 aka derekh who not only eschewed the bnp and all it stood for but also said that he would no longer post on this forum. Yes, the same delboy3 who is now defending roy and the bnp.

I was not going to post on this again but feel I have to defend derek on this one.
Derek is no longer a bnp member but that does not stop him from agreeing with some of our policies.
He is a decent bloke who says what he feels and I dont find that a problem ,he also likes to see fair play and thats why he sticks up for me and the party sometimes.
One final point ,have you looked at the poll results looks like more agree with me than disagree but are too timid to say so,well I aint and never will be.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by max
No that was delboy3 aka derekh who not only eschewed the bnp and all it stood for but also said that he would no longer post on this forum. Yes, the same delboy3 who is now defending roy and the bnp.

Apologies - I stand corrected.

And YET AGAIN another thread turns into a racist debate with personal insults.

Looked to me like it STARTED as a racist debate

Thanks to Phan for adding the "this poll should be removed" option - until then it was impossible to vote on this poll in a meaningful way

Originally posted by royjames
[QUOTE]Originally posted by max
[B]No Roy, I'm not insulting you so I am not breaking any rules. I am seriously concerned for your mental health. Please, please seek help before your fixation with Muslims goes too far.

I will take that comment with a pinch of salt,I think that you are being rather silly now dont you?
To Snook the message is that SOME muslims are indeed intolerant and if they choose to come and live in this country then they ought to respect our ways.
I await the usual cries of racist. :hihi:

Isn't your thread a direct attempt to "incite religious hatred"? I look forward to the day they throw BNP members into prison for six months for such outrageous comments by what can only be described as a disorganised, archaic, racist group of under-educated thugs. Shame on you!

Originally posted by JonJParr
Isn't your thread a direct attempt to "incite religious hatred"? I look forward to the day they throw BNP members into prison for six months for such outrageous comments by what can only be described as a disorganised, archaic, racist group of under-educated thugs. Shame on you!
Uneducated??? Thugs??? Racist?? Archaic??? direct defamation??

Kettle VS pot!!!!! What they should do is shove everyone in jail......then at least we could get a good nights kip in luxury.

Originally posted by royjames
One final point ,have you looked at the poll results looks like more agree with me than disagree but are too timid to say so,well I aint and never will be.:thumbsup:

Well, if you put together the 2 that basically disagree with you - the ones who think the poll is a pile of poo and the ones who say no . . . at this moment in time that makes 37 against your putrid 27.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Uneducated??? Thugs??? Racist?? Archaic??? direct defamation??

Kettle VS pot!!!!! What they should do is shove everyone in jail......then at least we could get a good nights kip in luxury.

Defamation is communicating false testimony - what I'm saying is true! But for the record I'll clarify my point;

Undereducated - children in UK schools are now taught citizenship and the part that everyone has to play in British society. BNP members obviously haven't ever taken the time to study such principles - thus "under-educated".

Thugs- BNP members have been convicted of assaults on racial and ethnic minorities. You incite hatred and stir up ill feelings against them - this is thuggery.

Racist - the BNP actively pursue a policy of seeking to persecute those who do not have a "White British" background. To discriminate without due cause solely on the grounds of race is racism.

Archaic - your views of a "White British" society are outdated.

I stand by my original posting.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Defamation is communicating false testimony - what I'm saying is true! But for the record I'll clarify my point;

Undereducated - children in UK schools are now taught citizenship and the part that everyone has to play in British society. BNP members obviously haven't ever taken the time to study such principles - thus "under-educated".

Thugs- BNP members have been convicted of assaults on racial and ethnic minorities. You incite hatred and stir up ill feelings against them - this is thuggery.

Racist - the BNP actively pursue a policy of seeking to persecute those who do not have a "White British" background. To discriminate without due cause solely on the grounds of race is racism.

Archaic - your views of a "White British" society are outdated.

I stand by my original posting.
Fact...... Kids are leaving school that cannot read or write......Being taught citizenship consists of zero history or anything else.......In fact foreign language, Religion etc is in top priority in the schools as opposed to teaching them anything usefull.

I do not instill hatred nor am I a Thug..........By telling the truth or giving an opinion....I cannot incite racial hatred...Pleae take this up with some of the Muslim clerics like Hamza etc that do it openly and claim vast amounts in benefits.

White British is not an issue.....If you were white...you would be dead!!!!! Colour is not an issue..economic and social survival..is!

Your Comments hold about as much water as you do......You are no better than the BNP by making comments...sorry...you said what you say is true!!!! so your comments are defamatory and directed personally at who ever you are talking to.

Now say what you think as an opinion...and it makes your argument different....

The legal term for what you have stated herein is innuendo defamation

Also please define racism......as per your opinion.....

Originally posted by Delboy3
Fact...... Kids are leaving school that cannot read or write......Being taught citizenship consists of zero history or anything else.......In fact foreign language, Religion etc is in top priority in the schools as opposed to teaching them anything usefull.

I do not instill hatred nor am I a Thug..........By telling the truth or giving an opinion....I cannot incite racial hatred...Pleae take this up with some of the Muslim clerics like Hamza etc that do it openly and claim vast amounts in benefits.

White British is not an issue.....If you were white...you would be dead!!!!! Colour is not an issue..economic and social survival..is!

Your Comments hold about as much water as you do......You are no better than the BNP by making comments...sorry...you said what you say is true!!!! so your comments are defamatory and directed personally at who ever you are talking to.

Now say what you think as an opinion...and it makes your argument different....

The legal term for what you have stated herein is innuendo defamation

One's definition of defamation must surely come into the debate in these cases. By definition defamation can include any material which cause him/her to be exposed to hatred, ridicule or contempt. It can also be to a person's discredit or to cause them to be shunned or avoided. I must take issue with your legal terminology also; are you referring to "false innuendo" - that is an alternative meaning which the ordinary, reasonable person who can read between the lines would infer from the words? Or do you refer to a "true innuendo" that are words that appear to be innocent to some people and yet appear as defamatory to others because they possess special knowledge or extra information. I would be inclined to think it is the latter and as such would probably be deemed as non-defamatory by those (ie. a Magistrate) who do not possess such special knowledge.
Defamation of BNP members cannot be applied consistently as it is usual for the defamatory comments to occur in the context of their own racial / religious slurs. To uphold a legal ruling of defamation in the defense of a BNP member would be to disregard their own defamation and thus the response that it evokes. One could thus assume that defamation does not apply in these circumstances as a result of the responsive nature in which they are expressed. To discredit an argument that in itself under legislation is illegal (incitement to commit racial hatred crimes) would not be classed as defamation because of the unlawful comments to which they are applied.

Thuggery : violent or brutal acts as of thugs
Examples of violent or brutal acts carried out by various BNP members.

-Nick Griffin (Party Chairman). Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.

-Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment. In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.

-Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

-John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

-Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.

-Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.

-Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.

-Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.

-Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.

- Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods

- Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18

- Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

"Kids are leaving school that cannot read or write......"

Incorrect. The National Audit Office of the Learning and Skills Council showed that Literacy and Numeracy has increased around 65% since July 2001 and July 2004.

"Being taught citizenship consists of zero history or anything else......."

Incorrect. Ofsted noted that in many secondary schools History and Citizenship were often taught in conjunction.

"In fact foreign language, Religion etc is in top priority in the schools as opposed to teaching them anything usefull."

Incorrect - have you ever been abroad? It is extremely useful to know a foreign language then.

"Your Comments hold about as much water as you do"

I have systematically proven that my comments hold more "water" and substance. I have systematically proven all of my statements using reliable sources.

I have to say that you are going over old news and besides if people like you get their way then free speech is done for.
If you think that you will be able to stiffle free debate then you really are no better than the nazis this country fought so hard against.
And after you have locked all of us up who will be next for your facist attention.

Ah! You may think so.....But no'1 I am ot a BNP member...
And your legal section as to defamation is that you stated that..

"you incite racial hatred".......Directed at me... that is your defamation...as I do not do as you say!!!!!! incite racial hatred....
You can throw what you want at me regarding the BNP...as it doesnt concern me in any way..........

However! I was once accociated with them...And you get your facts from the media as opposed to true fact!
It has been proved in this forum that the media are bigger liers than the present government......
So.....are these your oppinions or based on actual fact that cannot be denied in a court of law?
Languages!!! b ek praat 12 taal........kan ja praatjie een?

Ek dink ja kanie!!!

Originally posted by royjames
I have to say that you are going over old news and besides if people like you get their way then free speech is done for.
If you think that you will be able to stiffle free debate then you really are no better than the nazis this country fought so hard against.
And after you have locked all of us up who will be next for your facist attention.

To cite caselaw is not to "go over old news" - it is to clarify, demonstrate and substantiate claims. You yourself, but 40mins ago said that my claims should hold "water" - I systematically demonstrated that they do and now you deem this to be unnecessary? Please clarify your position.

Free debate should not be stifled- that will be ensured by our "right to freedom of expression" under Human Rights Law. However, if an employer was to sack a member of staff because they were Muslim, homosexual or female and claim a right to expression employer law would overrule in that instance. The same would apply to a member of the public, such as a BNP member announcing in a public forum racial or religious slurs.

As for me being a "Nazi" - NO! The BNP is much closer to Nazi ideology than my own political persuasion.

[Originalmente lançado por JonJParr
[B] Citar a lei de precedência não é "revisar velhas notícias" - deve clarificar, demonstrar e substanciar reclamações. Você você mesmo, mas 40mins disse que as minhas reclamações devem manter "a água" - sistematicamente demonstrei que eles fazem e agora você considera isto para ser desnecessário? Por favor clarifique a sua posição.

O debate gratuito não deve ser sufocado - que será assegurado pelo nosso "direito à liberdade da expressão" embaixo da Lei de Direitos Humana. Contudo, se um empregador deveu saquear um membro de sta/B] Sie scheinen zu sagen, dass, um eine Sprache .. zu sprechen, es in der Schule unterrichtet wird...
Können Sie ehrlich sagen, dass Sie mich verstehen?Vous semblez dire que pour parler une langue .. il est enseigné dans l'école...
Pouvez-vous honnêtement dire que vous me comprenez ?

Originally posted by royjames

If you think that you will be able to stiffle free debate then you really are no better than the nazis this country fought so hard against.




Is you opinion of the Nazi’s based upon what that 14 year old girl who speaks at your meetings thinks about the holocaust?
Because otherwise i fail to see how you can compare JonJParrs reasoned, rational and factual posts with the National Socialists.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Ah! You may think so.....But no'1 I am ot a BNP member...
And your legal section as to defamation is that you stated that..

"you incite racial hatred".......Directed at me... that is your defamation...as I do not do as you say!!!!!! incite racial hatred....
You can throw what you want at me regarding the BNP...as it doesnt concern me in any way..........

However! I was once accociated with them...And you get your facts from the media as opposed to true fact!
It has been proved in this forum that the media are bigger liers than the present government......
So.....are these your oppinions or based on actual fact that cannot be denied in a court of law?
Languages!!! b ek praat 12 taal........kan ja praatjie een?

Ek dink ja kanie!!!

Again you have misquoted me. I originally stated "Isn't your thread a direct attempt to "incite religious hatred"?" It was a question that Royjames (the original poster) has as yet not answered.
I have at no time, and under no guises, made any statements that you are an active BNP member- it is you, in your last statement who have just admitted "association" with them. Therefore I would argue it probably is a "concern" for you. I have not reviewed all the postings in this Forum and so cannot substantiate your claim of proof "that the media are bigger liars than the present Government". However, criminal convictions are fact. They have happened and been given press coverage and also been recorded- are you therefore claiming that all the convictions have not occurred? Please clarify.

Ok So if they are teaching languages in all schools that are good for everyone one please tell me what language you would prefer me to talk /reply in

Originally posted by Delboy3
Ok So if they are teaching languages in all schools that are good for everyone one please tell me what language you would prefer me to talk /reply in

Your argument is ridiculous! You are implying that because I see a need for foreign languages to be taught in schools it is somehow necessary for us to use them when conversing with each other. I can't see how that has any relevance to its necessity! You're entire argument is falling to pieces.

I agree.......the convictions are factual...the rest is so so!!!!
Neither here or there!......if there were proof of racial hatred/incitement to do bad things.......NG would have been charged for it.....The other thing is freedom of speech...we allow certain privlages to religiouse clerics that they may spread hatred in the open.........no one says anything about it till a bomb goes off!!!!!

Double standards exist here...either there is freedom of speech or there is not!!!! you tell me?

Originally posted by JonJParr
Your argument is ridiculous! You are implying that because I see a need for foreign languages to be taught in schools it is somehow necessary for us to use them when conversing with each other. I can't see how that has any relevance to its necessity! You're entire argument is falling to pieces.
Ok if you believe that languages are partof our education...as you stated .......you go abroad don't yu?

then nothing wrong with showing how your language classes went? and what they taught you.
I thought the whole point of learning languages was to converse!!!

He is typical of the liberal left in this country who are responsible for the state this country is in right now.
I have no time for these liberals and when we come to power we will deal with them,make no mistake.

Originally posted by Delboy3
I agree.......the convictions are factual...the rest is so so!!!!
Neither here or there!......if there were proof of racial hatred/incitement to do bad things.......NG would have been charged for it.....The other thing is freedom of speech...we allow certain privlages to religiouse clerics that they may spread hatred in the open.........no one says anything about it till a bomb goes off!!!!!

Double standards exist here...either there is freedom of speech or there is not!!!! you tell me?

Abu Hamza has been arrested for inciting racial hatred in the open. No bombs have gone off in the UK as a result of his preaching. I see no double standard.

Nick Griffin arrested for inciting racial hatred but not charged. The double standard would seem to exist on the side of the BNP not their Muslim counterparts. You have again discredited your argument!

Originally posted by Delboy3
Ok if you believe that languages are partof our education...as you stated .......you go abroad don't yu?

then nothing wrong with showing how your language classes went? and what they taught you.
I thought the whole point of learning languages was to converse!!!

You're indeed correct! The whole point of languages is to "converse" but not to "demonstrate". Once again you've discredited your argument.

Originally posted by royjames
He is typical of the liberal left in this country who are responsible for the state this country is in right now.
I have no time for these liberals and when we come to power we will deal with them,make no mistake.

Is that a threat?
And for the record I'm not a "liberal left" - I'm a Tory!

Si vous pouvez répondre à cette réponse je dirais que vos leçons vous ont enseigné bien!

Originally posted by Delboy3
Si vous pouvez répondre à cette réponse je dirais que vos leçons vous ont enseigné bien!

I guess I have been taught well. You put that into free translation software also because such software lays out the translation in the same grammatical manner.

Originally posted by JonJParr
You're indeed correct! The whole point of languages is to "converse" but not to "demonstrate". Once again you've discredited your argument.
To demonstrate is to teach.........No discredit there...by the way ...I speak most European languages, African and Russian...
It does me no good in here...for the well educated.
Ek is Jammer.......Ek kan praat vat ja vil........No software here....

Originally posted by JonJParr
Is that a threat?
And for the record I'm not a "liberal left" - I'm a Tory!

Thing is compared to the BNP we’re all pretty much liberals.


So when the BNP talk about defending freedom of speech, do pensioners not qualify for this freedom?


The BNP bullyboy

BARNSLEY BNP candidate Paul Harris has been convicted of threatening behaviour following a trial which dramatically exposes the party's bully-boy tactics.

Harris, aged 41, was found guilty of tearing anti-fascist newspapers from the hands of a Barnsley pensioner who was being held in a bear hug by another British National Party supporter.
Sheffield Magistrates' Court heard Harris was one of three BNP campaigners who leapt out of a car and attacked Joe Hayward, aged 67, and two companions, Pauline Haigh and Howard Turner, as they distributed the Searchlight newspaper in Monk Bretton.
The two other BNP men, Dean Strawson-Moreland, aged 39, and Dean Clayton, aged 25, both admitted threatening behaviour before the trial.
Harris, standing in Royston ward in this year's local elections, claimed he never said a word or laid a finger on anyone as his companions shouted and grabbed the trio in a terrifying bid to snatch their papers.
But he admitted pulling so hard at the papers in Mr Hayward's hands that he fell over backwards when they were suddenly released.
Trevor Griffiths, presiding, said all three were in it together. He said: "You said Strawson-Moreland and Clayton were running wild, but you could have walked away. Instead you chose to participate in threatening behaviour. Mr Hayward was being held in a bear hug and you moved in close and struggled with him."
Harris was fined £250 with £250 costs and ordered to pay £40 compensation to Pauline Haigh, whose mobile phone was smashed in the incident.
Dean Strawson-Moreland, of Brookfield Terrace, Carlton, had earlier been sentenced to a day's jail and ordered to pay £100 costs.
Last week he claimed to be the face of the BNP in Barnsley as it launched its campaign.
But the extremist right wing party hastily distanced itself from the thug when it was revealed he was a convicted criminal with a string of offences including kidnap, robbery, false imprisonment, blackmail and assault.
Dean Clayton, of Dodworth Road, Barnsley, was given a year's conditional discharge with £75 costs and also ordered to pay £40 compensation. The court also heard the warehouse worker had served a 15-month sentence for burglary and theft last year.

lol well if your a tory then you sem to be in the wrong party mate.
Suggest you go over to the lib dems as I feel you will be in the right company for yourself.:hihi:

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Thing is compared to the BNP we’re all pretty much liberals.


So when the BNP talk about defending freedom of speech, do pensioners not qualify for this freedom?


The BNP bullyboy

BARNSLEY BNP candidate Paul Harris has been convicted of threatening behaviour following a trial which dramatically exposes the party's bully-boy tactics.

Harris, aged 41, was found guilty of tearing anti-fascist newspapers from the hands of a Barnsley pensioner who was being held in a bear hug by another British National Party supporter.
Sheffield Magistrates' Court heard Harris was one of three BNP campaigners who leapt out of a car and attacked Joe Hayward, aged 67, and two companions, Pauline Haigh and Howard Turner, as they distributed the Searchlight newspaper in Monk Bretton.
The two other BNP men, Dean Strawson-Moreland, aged 39, and Dean Clayton, aged 25, both admitted threatening behaviour before the trial.
Harris, standing in Royston ward in this year's local elections, claimed he never said a word or laid a finger on anyone as his companions shouted and grabbed the trio in a terrifying bid to snatch their papers.
But he admitted pulling so hard at the papers in Mr Hayward's hands that he fell over backwards when they were suddenly released.
Trevor Griffiths, presiding, said all three were in it together. He said: "You said Strawson-Moreland and Clayton were running wild, but you could have walked away. Instead you chose to participate in threatening behaviour. Mr Hayward was being held in a bear hug and you moved in close and struggled with him."
Harris was fined £250 with £250 costs and ordered to pay £40 compensation to Pauline Haigh, whose mobile phone was smashed in the incident.
Dean Strawson-Moreland, of Brookfield Terrace, Carlton, had earlier been sentenced to a day's jail and ordered to pay £100 costs.
Last week he claimed to be the face of the BNP in Barnsley as it launched its campaign.
But the extremist right wing party hastily distanced itself from the thug when it was revealed he was a convicted criminal with a string of offences including kidnap, robbery, false imprisonment, blackmail and assault.
Dean Clayton, of Dodworth Road, Barnsley, was given a year's conditional discharge with £75 costs and also ordered to pay £40 compensation. The court also heard the warehouse worker had served a 15-month sentence for burglary and theft last year.
Sounds a bit like the local lads in Sheffield Town centre on a Sat night pub crawl.......Yur point is??

Originally posted by Delboy3
Sie scheinen zu sagen, dass, um eine Sprache .. zu sprechen, es in der Schule unterrichtet wird...
Können Sie ehrlich sagen, dass Sie mich verstehen?Vous semblez dire que pour parler une langue .. il est enseigné dans l'école...
Pouvez-vous honnêtement dire que vous me comprenez ?

A few dots here a question mark there.... maybe people won't realise I've put it into www.freetranslation.com! Pathetic!

Originally posted by Delboy3
Sounds a bit like the local lads in Sheffield Town centre on a Sat night pub crawl.......Yur point is??

Discocat's point was that these acts were committed under the guise of a "Political Party" not a bar brall. Totally different situation.

Originally posted by JonJParr
A few dots here a question mark there.... maybe people won't realise I've put it into www.freetranslation.com! Pathetic!
nice what did you come up with>??
Hey I may be learning as I go......Put this into your translator...ß íå íóæäàþñü â ýòîì âèäå äåðüìà â çäåñü..... ß ìîãó ãîâîðèòü íà ÿçûêàõ ......., ìîæåò Âû???

I know paul and he is not the thug that has been potrayed here ,in fact he told me what went off and the man who was so called asaulted was a real leftie fanatic who had verbally abused paul and he was not the saint made out here.
I have been told he has links to ANL and other far left groups,just to get this in perspective.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Discocat's point was that these acts were committed under the guise of a "Political Party" not a bar brall. Totally different situation.
A bit like the councillor and his mate in Darnal that went around threatening old ladies for their postal votes.......Labour comes to mind!!!!

Originally posted by JonJParr
Discocat's point was that these acts were committed under the guise of a "Political Party" not a bar brall. Totally different situation.

A political party allegedly dedicated to the freedom of speech. And not just activists but a candidate.

Who had been driving around, hopefully sober looking for targets, not just drunk in the middle of town.

Originally posted by Delboy3
nice what did you come up with>??

I came up with the notion that you tried to make people think you could speak all these languages when in actual fact you typed "translation software" into Google and then used www.freetranslation.com to try and mislead people into thinking you could actually speak those languages.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
mmmmm Roy James accuses that Muslims are intolerant?

The words, Pot, Kettle and Black springs to mind.
Not possible. Roy is whiter than white :D

Originally posted by JonJParr
I came up with the notion that you tried to make people think you could speak all these languages when in actual fact you typed "translation software" into Google and then used www.freetranslation.com to try and mislead people into thinking you could actually speak those languages. ß íå íóæäàþñü â ýòîì âèäå äåðüìà â çäåñü..... ß ìîãó ãîâîðèòü íà ÿçûêàõ ......., ìîæåò Âû???
Put that into your translator...........

By the way!!!! those translation software progrms use dictionary grammar...no good for a conversation!

Originally posted by Tony
Not possible. Roy is whiter than white :D
Whens the funeral??? or could it be that ....Daz has taken him???

Originally posted by Delboy3
ß íå íóæäàþñü â ýòîì âèäå äåðüìà â çäåñü..... ß ìîãó ãîâîðèòü íà ÿçûêàõ ......., ìîæåò Âû???
Put that into your translator...........
I do not use translation software
If you want to meet I will talk your head off in yiddish

Do what you want. I'll still think your argument holds little substance. If this is the best response to my substantiated, factual argument that you can muster (ie. games with translation software) then by action you prove you cannot sustain a debate.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Fact...... Kids are leaving school that cannot read or write......Being taught citizenship consists of zero history or anything else.......In fact foreign language, Religion etc is in top priority in the schools as opposed to teaching them anything usefull.


Please Derek, let's at least make a passing attempt to stick to the truth shall we.

Rather than being 'top priority in schools'... religion is not a compulsary subject in schools and languages are also about to become optional.

That will no doubt give even more opportunity for stupid British people to go around Europe shouting at waiters and shopkeepers. :loopy:

Originally posted by JonJParr
Do what you want. I'll still think your argument holds little substance. If this is the best response to my substantiated, factual argument that you can muster (ie. games with translation software) then by action you prove you cannot sustain a debate.
Ha....I was just making a point.....your translation software cannot interperet straight talk...it ends up going backwards depending on the language.........and makes no sense...

Just an observation regarding your comments on the teaching of languages at school.
Still! your comments are derogotive and apart from the convictions splashed out by the media....there is no other evidence that warrants anything regarding incitement....
If there was any...they would be in the nick...and charged....
Since they have not!...we can assume that everything is a lie!

Originally posted by Tony
Please Derek, let's at least make a passing attempt to stick to the truth shall we.

Rather than being 'top priority in schools'... religion is not a compulsary subject in schools and languages are also about to become optional.

That will no doubt give even more opportunity for stupid British people to go around Europe shouting at waiters and shopkeepers. :loopy:
Point taken but I like a bit of fun too......lol

Originally posted by Delboy3
Ha....I was just making a point.....your translation software cannot interperet straight talk...it ends up going backwards depending on the language.........and makes no sense...

Just an observation regarding your comments on the teaching of languages at school.
Still! your comments are derogotive and apart from the convictions splashed out by the media....there is no other evidence that warrants anything regarding incitement....
If there was any...they would be in the nick...and charged....
Since they have not!...we can assume that everything is a lie!

So the footage captured by the Dispatches programme was all a lie?

Ah... true colours shining through now eh Roy?

Originally posted by royjames
I have no time for these liberals and when we come to power we will deal with them,make no mistake.

Sounds like a quote from a National Socialist rally.

Originally posted by JonJParr
So the footage captured by the Dispatches programme was all a lie?
any one can get a camera ...go into a pub and talk to people who have had a few......put forward a few good chosen questions and get more or less the same answers that they ot in the programme.

Easy peasy........You realy think these programms are real?? my eldest son was paid by the round house to say he was homeless on an itv show about how bad it was in Sheffield for the kids......After the programme...he went home....Good laugh......not for me as he stated he was living in a card board box.... Gullible public or what???

Originally posted by Delboy3
any one can get a camera ...go into a pub and talk to people who have had a few......put forward a few good chosen questions and get more or less the same answers that they ot in the programme.

Easy peasy........You realy think these programms are real?? my eldest son was paid by the round house to say he was homeless on an itv show about how bad it was in Sheffield for the kids......After the programme...he went home....Good laugh......not for me as he stated he was living in a card board box....I still have it on Tape

The Dispatches programme was all staged. That's the most implausible statement I've ever heard! They handed the footage over to the Police - if so, there's no way C4 would stage the programme, they would then be liable to prosecution for "wasting police time".

Originally posted by JonJParr
The Dispatches programme was all staged. That's the most implausible statement I've ever heard! They handed the footage over to the Police - if so, there's no way C4 would stage the programme, they would then be liable to prosecution for "wasting police time".
The governments been doing that for years...get real......Meet me one night in Sheffield..I will take a camera and I will get you the same results that they have.....It is true that the comments were made...However! under the influence of drink comes to mind where suggestion is a powerfull toolNotice how all these progs are set in bars????

Originally posted by Delboy3
The governments been doing that for years...get real......Meet me one night in Sheffield..I will take a camera and I will get you the same results that they have.....It is true that the comments were made...However! under the influence of drink comes to mind where suggestion is a powerfull tool

Meet up with an ex-BNP member? No thanks. I'd never, even after a few drinks become racist or racially intolerant.

Originally posted by Delboy3
The governments been doing that for years...get real......Meet me one night in Sheffield..I will take a camera and I will get you the same results that they have.....It is true that the comments were made...However! under the influence of drink comes to mind where suggestion is a powerfull toolNotice how all these progs are set in bars????

Notice how most of the BNP's meetings are held in pubs?

Why waste your time derek,this man is no naive its untrue.
Tell you what why has nick griffin not been charged ??
You think that maybe he has nothing to answer?
If you beleive all the BBC say then you are so naive.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Meet up with an ex-BNP member? No thanks. I'd never, even after a few drinks become racist or racially intolerant.
LOL!!! Its true though!...you can get what you want for the media!! I was in Durban in the 70's when they asked a lot of the black people to lay on the grass in a park......The photo and story that followed was something like this!

Blacks massacred in the Centre of Durban ..Natal..

I was there! lol what a joke.
You think that the pictures that you see on tv with terrorists sitting at a post with guns aimed are real???
They are staged by the news man.......
I fought in Rhodesia........and Angola.....The pictures that were going out to you lot were all propaganda...not real....
Brits are a soft touch and gullible!!!

Originally posted by royjames
Why waste your time derek,this man is no naive its untrue.
Tell you what why has nick griffin not been charged ??
You think that maybe he has nothing to answer?
If you beleive all the BBC say then you are so naive.
You have to admit..it gives publicity.....John brashawe was let go no charges but they Stole his computer...For What????? all the needed was his hard drive and they found nothing on that!! like I said...legalised crime........Dont Steal!1! the government hates competition
Makes you wonder who the thieves are......Police??? or their superiors??

going nowhere. closing.