:clap: EID MUBARAK TO EVERYONE IN SHEFFIELD! :clap:

Hope you're all having a great Eid day today!:wave: :partyhat: :banana:

Happy Eid!
I didn't know it was today..

I did wonder what Eid was, I saw it on one of the "Christmas" light displays in town near Fargate.

Yes, this one is known as Big Eid . . as you may not know there are 2 Eid days in the Islamic calendar. The first one comes at the end of fasting (Ramadan), and this one comes after the Hajj. The holy pilgrimage to Mecca.;)

Happy Eid to everyone - no reason why anybody else should miss out hey :heyhey:

Originally posted by Lestat
Yes, this one is known as Big Eid . . as you may not know there are 2 Eid days in the Islamic calendar. The first one comes at the end of fasting (Ramadan), and this one comes after the Hajj. The holy pilgrimage to Mecca.;)

I didn't know there were two a year either!

Strangely, my folks and I are planning another Christmas in March 'cos we really enjoyed the last one (although most of us were poorly with flu)

Happy Eid to all!

K x

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Happy Eid to everyone - no reason why anybody else should miss out hey :heyhey:

You're right 1man . . . is that better!:thumbsup:

can we have the day off for it

Lestat, what kind if a feast would you normally prepare for Eid? (I have the serious head on this time)

Different families prepare different meals really. The one main food most families cook is rice, the sweet variety ( yellow ) and the spicy brown rice. Theres samosa's, pakora's, peshwari kebabs, tandoori chicken, curries of all kinds . . naans, parantas, mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!:love:

Stop it - your making me drool into my keyboard!!!!

Happy Eid to all :)

happy eid, to all

Allah hafiz

PT

Originally posted by Lestat
Different families prepare different meals really. The one main food most families cook is rice, the sweet variety ( yellow ) and the spicy brown rice. Theres samosa's, pakora's, peshwari kebabs, tandoori chicken, curries of all kinds . . naans, parantas, mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!:love:

Sounds good to me Lestat, enjoy it and if there's any left can you deliver it.
Second thought.


I suppose an invite is out of the question then. :P

If non christians get a day of Christmas, can we have a day off for Eid then :suspect:

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
If non christians get a day of Christmas, can we have a day off for Eid then :suspect:

Why don't you change your religion and find out :heyhey:

When I take days off for Eid, they are taken out of my annual holiday allowance. It's no big deal

No I don't think so, I believe and practise, which is more than a lot of people who say they're religious.
And I had no days for christmas for that matter...

My question was CAN we, not DO we, so even I did change religion which will happen when I'm a millionaire I'd not get a answer than isn't full of satire.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
No I don't think so, I believe and practise, which is more than a lot of people who say they're religious.
And I had no days for christmas for that matter...

My question was CAN we, not DO we, so even I did change religion which will happen when I'm a millionaire I'd not get a answer than isn't full of satire.

Captain,
Abdul is correct - everyone who works & wants to celebrate Eid has to use one of their annual leave days and book it off. Theres no special day off for it.:)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i agree, its soo true


Eid Mubarak to every1


anyways im off to Manchester to celebrate
for you kno what, Wimslow Road

Just thought I'd re-start this thread and wish everyone a happy Eid day today!!!

Hope you're all having a good one so far :clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by Lestat
Just thought I'd re-start this thread and wish everyone a happy Eid day today!!!

Hope you're all having a good one so far :clap: :clap: :clap:



I never got the leftovers from the last one :D Enjoy yourself mate :thumbsup:

Eid Mubarak to all.

Question if someone could answer. Is it correct that Eid is celebrated on different days by different groups? I was informed that yesterday that Eid was being celebrated by Somalian muslims (and maybe others) and today (Friday) by Asian Muslims. Although i'd never heard it before and dismissed it what i have witnessed yesterday/today backs that up. Is it true?

Happy Eid!

Lestat, maybe you could give us a definitive run down on the Muslim festivals, 'cos I know the names but the dates seem to change, like Easter, and what are they for?

In the posts earlier you said you had two Eid's!

Originally posted by youwhatref
Eid Mubarak to all.

Question if someone could answer. Is it correct that Eid is celebrated on different days by different groups? I was informed that yesterday that Eid was being celebrated by Somalian muslims (and maybe others) and today (Friday) by Asian Muslims. Although i'd never heard it before and dismissed it what i have witnessed yesterday/today backs that up. Is it true?

Thats true mate, it all depends on the sighting of the moon - some people start fasting ( Ramadan ) a day before some people and therefore have Eid a day before.

It's not necessarilly somalians, arabs, pakistani's etc . . .

Originally posted by Lestat
Thats true mate, it all depends on the sighting of the moon - some people start fasting ( Ramadan ) a day before some people and therefore have Eid a day before.

It's not necessarilly somalians, arabs, pakistani's etc . . .

Thank you Lestat, that explains it all.

Originally posted by GabbleRatcht
Happy Eid!

Lestat, maybe you could give us a definitive run down on the Muslim festivals, 'cos I know the names but the dates seem to change, like Easter, and what are they for?

In the posts earlier you said you had two Eid's!



For Muslims all religious festivals have their own special significance. In fact, at the end of different modes of worship, Islam has instituted a kind of festival. The festival following the daily Prayers of the week is Jum'a-tul-Mubarak (Friday); the one following the month of fasting is called Eid-ul-Fitr, while the festival following the ceremony of Hajj at the Ka'aba in Arabia is know as Eid-ul-Adhia.



Eid-ul-Fitr

Eid-ul-Fitr is celebrated on the 1st day of the month of Shawwal. The month of Shawwal start after the month of fasting, that is why it is also called the festival of the breaking of the fast. Fasting in the month of Ramadan is one of the five pillars of Islam. It is, therefore, a practical requirement of the faith and is regarded as and act of devotion.

Following is a list of Muslim Festivals:
Jum'a-tul-Mubarak (Friday Prayer)
Eid-ul-Fitr
Eid-ul-Adhia
Muharram
Eid Milad-un-Nabi
Shab-i-Miraj
Lailat-ul-Qadr

I think the fact Muslims have to take a day off for Eid is a relatively minor issue given that many faiths, of all different kinds, cannot even celebrate their faith peacefully in their societies.

The attacks on Indonesian Christians is but one example.

Originally posted by Lestat


Eid-ul-Fitr is celebrated on the 1st day of the month of Shawwal. The month of Shawwal start after the month of fasting, that is why it is also called the festival of the breaking of the fast. Fasting in the month of Ramadan is one of the five pillars of Islam. It is, therefore, a practical requirement of the faith and is regarded as and act of devotion.

Following is a list of Muslim Festivals:
Jum'a-tul-Mubarak (Friday Prayer)
Eid-ul-Fitr
Eid-ul-Adhia
Muharram
Eid Milad-un-Nabi
Shab-i-Miraj
Lailat-ul-Qadr

I for one need a bit of education here.

Ramadan, then, is actually a month in what I assume is the Muslim calender?

I thought it was a festival that lasted a month, like lent.

And Shawwal is a month?

Can you explain the calender to me/us.

Are the days fixed in relation to the 'Western' calender or do they move around etc
:confused:

Originally posted by Talmid
I think the fact Muslims have to take a day off for Eid is a relatively minor issue given that many faiths, of all different kinds, cannot even celebrate their faith peacefully in their societies.

The attacks on Indonesian Christians is but one example.

Sorry, I am a bit dull here, what do you mean by attacks in Indonesia?

Originally posted by Lestat
Just thought I'd re-start this thread and wish everyone a happy Eid day today!!!

Hope you're all having a good one so far :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thank you for your kind words Lestat :)

Originally posted by GabbleRatcht
I for one need a bit of education here.

Ramadan, then, is actually a month in what I assume is the Muslim calender?

I thought it was a festival that lasted a month, like lent.

And Shawwal is a month?

Can you explain the calender to me/us.

Are the days fixed in relation to the 'Western' calender or do they move around etc
:confused:

Ramadan is a month in the Islamic calendar, and the festival to celebrate the end of Ramadan is called Eid-ul-Fitr.

The Islamic year has twelve months that are based on a lunar cycle. Allah says in the Qur'an: "The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year) - so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth...." (9:36).

and

"It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory, and the moon to be a light of beauty, and measured out stages for it, that you might know the number of years and the count of time. Allah did not create this except in truth and righteousness. And He explains His signs in detail, for those who understand" (10:5).

The months in the Islamic calendar are named as follows:

1. Muharram
2. Safar
3. Rabi' al-awwal (Rabi' I)
4. Rabi' al-thani (Rabi' II)
5. Jumada al-awwal (Jumada I)
6. Jumada al-thani (Jumada II)
7. Rajab
8. Sha'ban
9. Ramadan (the month of Islamic daytime fasting)
10. Shawwal
11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
12. Dhu al-Hijjah (the month of Hajj, or Pilgrimage to Mecca)

The Islamic calender is about 354 days longs; this means the festivals will come forward every year by about 11 days in relation to the Gregorian calendar . Therefore there are no connections between the month and the season. For instance, Ramadan could fall in Summer (as it did in the late 1980s) or in Autumn / Winter (as it does now).

The years are counted since the Hijra, that is, the Prophet Mohammed's emigration to Medina in AD 622.

Today is the 4th day of Shawwal, 1426 AH.

Originally posted by Badabing
Sorry, I am a bit dull here, what do you mean by attacks in Indonesia?

I was just referring to recent stories such as this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4387604.stm

Although I stress that I wasn't pointing out Christians are the only victims - it was just the first example that sprung to mind.

The recent bomb attacks in India - targetted seemingly at both Hindus and Muslims during their festivals - could be cited as another example.

The point I was making is that whether you have to take a day off - or get a national day off - for your religious festival is a minor issue when compared to what other people face.

Besides, Muslims make up 3% of the population - if we went about giving holidays to all religions the economy would grind to a halt as we would all be off at least once a week!

I think you have to clearly distinguish between a totally criminal act and the one related to religious issue.

Btw, in Indonesia, christian have official 10 days off for christmas day through new year and christmas day is a national holiday.

I am not going to go into this anymore for fear it will get into some sort of sectarian argument... but how can you say what happened in Indonesia is not a religious issue? One of the girl's heads was left outside a school. To say it is only a criminal act is to divert from the issue.

And like I said before, whether you have a day off or not is insignificant if you face violence for simply celebrating your religion. So whether they get 10 days off or not is not important in the light of the recent attack.

Badabing;

Christians in Indonesia have been suffering SEVERE persecution for years.

Over 50,000 have been murdered in the past 8 - 9 years, 200,000 displaced and 700 churches burned down.

Heres a report on a recent incident which happens all the time;
http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/indonesian-churches-attacked.html

The western media could obviously care little, and my guess is 'Al-Jazeera' won't be airing it either.

kay_cee,

if you wanna have news about one country, you better be in that country. Again, pls refer to a worthy source as well.

Even BBC source who reported Talmid story, he is based in Jakarta (the capital city) whilst the criminal incidence happened in Poso which is almost as far as sheffield to Paris.

Like I said, Badabing;

"The western media could obviously care little, and my guess is 'Al-Jazeera' won't be airing it either."

So we have to rely on independant sources, which doesn't negate the reports accuracy.

the problem I have with these "news" stories, is threefold.

firstly, it is that they are from a specifically christian site, and so are going to have a specifically christian spin on them

secondly, that I definitely get a whiff of the propagandist from it, as evidenced by the titles of the other stories linked from the quoted site, i. e.

Egypt's Christians, Muslims Clash Again
• Three Christian School Girls Beheaded in Indonesia
• China House Church Leader and Family Members "Tortured"
• Pastor, Wife and Driver Attacked in Gujarat, India
• Nigerian Pastor Shines in the Shadow of Death
• Egypt Slaps Jail Term on U.S. Citizen
• Christian Freedom International Finds More Evidence of Growing Religious Persecution in Bangladesh


and thirdly it is quite old news, - this particular story is from the best part of a year ago.

PT

Originally posted by Badabing
kay_cee,

if you wanna have news about one country, you better be in that country. Again, pls refer to a worthy source as well.

Even BBC source who reported Talmid story, he is based in Jakarta (the capital city) whilst the criminal incidence happened in Poso which is almost as far as sheffield to Paris.

why are you questioning the truth of the story and thus still trying to divert from it? why can you not address this issue?

the fact is, Muslims aren't always the victim - sometimes they make the victim.

This can be said for all religions but for some reason (in my experience) Muslims and their self-proclaimed defenders on the Left seem to find it particularly hard to accept.

Originally posted by Badabing
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if you wanna have news about one country, you better be in that country. Again, pls refer to a worthy source as well.

so based on that reasoning, we cannot judge any story apart form that in our own country. And so, can all the MAB and Muslim Council people stop boycottin the Holocaust Memorial in apparent defence of Palestinians, can all the people who have given money to help the people in Asia go claim back their donation, can all the anti-war protesters put down their banners... because you cannot believe anything you read if you are not in the country in which it happens.

BRILLIANT LOGIC.

Sorry Talmid,

seems that you didn't really get it from the sentence.

Let me put in another way,... you can't rely a news about something from someone who reported it in an airconditioned room while the incidence happened hundreds miles away in a very remote area.

For the case in Indonesia, try to read some local news. I'll give you hundreds of it if you like.

My apologies .... no mean to offence anybody.

so you are saying it never happened?

please do give us a link...

Its a Christian site, 'Plain Talker' because the main news agencies find the 'Jihad in Indonesia' too much of a political hot potatoe, so the Christians have to try and raise the alarm themselves.
It is well documented though with gruesome pictures should you wish to see them.
It is however a waste of time me arguing with you, like my dad used to say; " theres none as deaf as them that want to be"
Why those on the left display an ardent aversion to anything Christian whilst readily embracing anything Islamic amazes me.

I will however leave you with some sites to research;
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=persecution%20christians%20indonesia&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&filter=0&tab=iw

And, just because an article is a year old, the passing of time doesn't negate the truth contained in it.

Originally posted by youwhatref
Eid Mubarak to all.

Question if someone could answer. Is it correct that Eid is celebrated on different days by different groups? I was informed that yesterday that Eid was being celebrated by Somalian muslims (and maybe others) and today (Friday) by Asian Muslims. Although i'd never heard it before and dismissed it what i have witnessed yesterday/today backs that up. Is it true?

Hi Eid mubarak to everyone.

yes thats right is celebrated on different days, but it should depend on the sighting of the moon within the country that you are living in at that time. Although some people celebrated it on thursday 3rd November the moon wasnt seen in the Uk on Tuesday night and those people celebrated Eid according to the sighting in Saudia Arabia. Howevwer the moon was sighted in the UK on thursday night so many people celebrated it on Friday.
There is always a debate that Celebrating eid on the sighting of the moon in another country is incorrect beacuse of the reasons given above, and also if we can celebrate eid according to when the saudis celebrate it surely we should pray at the same time they pray during the day? (but when muslims in saudi pray Zuhr, the prayer around 1pm it is time for muslims in the Uk to pray Fajir the dawn prayer)..........Either way the grub was lavley!!

is it true that the crescent and star represent being guided through the desert?

Talmid, get over it :rolleyes:

Hope everyone had a good Eid day! :thumbsup: :clap:

Roll on Christmas so Talmid can have another go at depressing people who want to celebrate a festival.:D

Originally posted by kay_cee
Its a Christian site, 'Plain Talker' because the main news agencies find the 'Jihad in Indonesia' too much of a political hot potatoe, so the Christians have to try and raise the alarm themselves.
It is well documented though with gruesome pictures should you wish to see them.
It is however a waste of time me arguing with you, like my dad used to say; " theres none as deaf as them that want to be"
Why those on the left display an ardent aversion to anything Christian whilst readily embracing anything Islamic amazes me.

I will however leave you with some sites to research;
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=persecution%20christians%20indonesia&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&filter=0&tab=iw

And, just because an article is a year old, the passing of time doesn't negate the truth contained in it.

It's no waste of time, as you say, I'm perfectly willing to listen to a reasoned and reasonable argument. I listen to both sides, wigh the evidence, and make my conclusion.

I'm not averse to christianity, especially the non-rabid variety... I just don't feel that it needs pushing down folks' throats, in the way it is.

Anyway, this thread is not about arguing about christianity, it's about wishing a happy, and prosperous Eid to the members of Sheffield forum.

So, back on topic...

Happy (if slightly belated) Eid everyone!

PT

Yep, you're right PT, this thread is about Eid and I went completely off topic.

So, to all the nice moderate Muslims out there, (Abdul etc) 'Belated happy Eid'

Originally posted by kay_cee
Why those on the left display an ardent aversion to anything Christian whilst readily embracing anything Islamic amazes me.



Couldnt agree more - too many do-gooders forget what is really important in order to be seen to be...... well a do-gooder.