do anybody know where would i be able to buy cross breed schnautzer
poodle, medium or giant

Rescue centres have lots of lovely mongrels and they're much cheaper than you'll get from the 'breeders' jumping on the bandwagon...

Why do you want this specific dog? You are aware that you'll have to pay through the teeth for what is and always will be a mutt!

as Lotti says, there are shedloads of abandoned and mistreated dogs in rescue Kennnels, absolutely desperate for a loving "forever-home". Why not try them?

we have had various dogs over the past twenty years,we also have 1 mutt (as someone so kindly said) at home who is a crossbred from a rescue center,it took me 2 yrs to socialize her. we would like a schnoodle pup because of the combined temperament of a schnauzer and a poodle.

we would like a schnoodle pup because of the combined temperament of a schnauzer and a poodle.

Which is...?

There is 0 guarantee with a 1st generation cross as to which traits the pup will acquire from which parent.

i agree they are lots and lots of animals in rescue, but if they havn't got what "breed" u want, what is the point of having something you don't really want.

But why fill the rescue up with the rest of the litter that no one else wants just because you like the sound of it?

i wouldn't have thought the rescue centres would be full of unwanted litters, they seem to be the in thing "designer dogs". pavi is only enquiring over the dog she requires, i hope you get what u want pavi.

And as long as there is demand for them idiots will continue breeding them and charging the earth. Dogs in rescue will suffer cos they're not cute enough, not the right mix, don't look quite right, etc. Sorry but I would never condone anyone to advocate the intentional breeding of 2 different breeds just because they like the sound of the mix!

there is a big demand for cross breeding, i no of people who have waiting lists for the litters to be born.

do anybody know where would i be able to buy cross breed schnautzer
poodle, medium or giant

aka heinz 57! :hihi:

Not every poodle will have a nice temperament! You cant just asume it will! :suspect:

Cross breeding designer dogs like 'schnoodlers/labradoodles' etc...is the biggest load of poop ive ever heard! Its all about a fashion statment and it stinks! You either want a pedigree or a mogrel. simple as! and no matter how much you want people to think your dog will be something special it will be a 'mutt/mongrel/heinz 57' and thats that!

there is a big demand for cross breeding, i no of people who have waiting lists for the litters to be born.

Well the people you know of need a reality check, and quick! Take them to a dog rescue centre which is full of 'cross breeds' and then see if they are so quick to breed! :rant:

Couldn't have put it better myself Tatty. Having a waiting list for these dogs doesn't make it any more acceptable to breed them. It's because there is demand that these people have waiting lists and WILL charge pedigree prices for a mutt. Dress it up how you want that is what you are getting. A MUTT!

Couldn't have put it better myself Tatty. Having a waiting list for these dogs doesn't make it any more acceptable to breed them. It's because there is demand that these people have waiting lists and WILL charge pedigree prices for a mutt. Dress it up how you want that is what you are getting. A MUTT!

People have started doing it with cats now aswell would you believe! Its a right joke!

People think that if you breed a dog that most people think normal has a nice nature with a dog you like the look of then you get the best of both worlds! However in reality things can and do go horribly wrong! Even breeding pedigree dogs when both parents have fantastic temperaments and you have the family history for years occasionally things go wrong! so when you start mixing breeds trying to assertain the nature/look etc... quite frankly you are ******* in the wind!

I'm not sure this is anything new - Miniature Schnauzers originated by crossing Schnauzers with, among other things, Poodles.

there is a big demand for cross breeding, i no of people who have waiting lists for the litters to be born.

There is a big demand for puppy farmers who keep dogs in small, dirty cages and breed them (regardless of temperament or conformation) 'til they're too weak to carry or care for another litter :(

There is a big demand for stolen, beloved pets to be used as bait for dog fighting gangs :(

There is a big demand for a lot of things :(

I would buy (and have bought) a pedigree puppy from a breeder. I wouldn't unless I believed the breeder was breeding for the right ethical reasons - temperament and to improve the breed (ie, breeding out poor temperament and health problems and breeding for good temperament and conformation).

Therefore I wouldn't buy from a 'breeder' who was cross breeding dogs because they surely can't be breeding to improve the breed and if their dogs are of such good breeding, why not breed to another pedigree of the same breed?

As I said before, there's no guarantee (or even close) as to what you're getting with a cross breed puppy (even less than with a pedigree).

Paivi - if you do go for one of these dogs please, please ensure that you know what health checks both breeds should have and that the parents have been completely tested - with many of these breeders it's unlikely and it's essential you get these otherwise you could end up with a very costly, unhealthy dog on your hands in a few years time as well as having fuelled very irresponsible breeding.

I'm not sure this is anything new - Miniature Schnauzers originated by crossing Schnauzers with, among other things, Poodles.

That took years of careful planning and was with the goal of achieving a particular breed.

The designer dog trend isn't either of the above - people charge ridiculous amounts of money (I've seen 1st generation goldendoodles go for £900 each!) for a FIRST GENERATION crossbreed - what you have, isn't a first generation.

There is no need, whatsoever to be coming up with new breeds nowadays, there are hundreds of breeds available to buy and if you want a crossbreed the rescue situation now is far worse (or far better publicised and recognised) than however many years ago people were mixing all sorts of different dogs to come up with the breeds we have today.

That took years of careful planning and was with the goal of achieving a particular breed.

The designer dog trend isn't either of the above - people charge ridiculous amounts of money (I've seen 1st generation goldendoodles go for £900 each!) for a FIRST GENERATION crossbreed - what you have, isn't a first generation.

There is no need, whatsoever to be coming up with new breeds nowadays, there are hundreds of breeds available to buy and if you want a crossbreed the rescue situation now is far worse (or far better publicised and recognised) than however many years ago people were mixing all sorts of different dogs to come up with the breeds we have today.


I think you missed my point - to me it sounded like a rebranding (and re-costing) of an old cross. Paivi wants any sort of schnauzer x poodle, so why not just buy a Miniature?

Oh sorry - yes I did miss your point.

I don't understand why it's wrong to xbreed dogs.

When hunting with dogs was legal my familly xbred terriers for over 50 years Patterdale x Jack Russell x fox terrier x bedlington x whippet etc etc nothing wrong with it
I have two dogs both over 15 years old one patterdale X dachshund and her son who's sire was Jack russell x fox terrier.
IMO the Kennel club is responsible for some of the worst cases of hereditary diseases in dogs

re: schnoodle pups

it might be worth asking at
http://labradoodle.org.uk/forum/

and checking the Puppies and Breeder lists at
http://www.labradoodle.org.uk/

there's also a labradoodle rescue, who may have related breeds?

I don't understand why it's wrong to xbreed dogs.

When hunting with dogs was legal my familly xbred terriers for over 50 years Patterdale x Jack Russell x fox terrier x bedlington x whippet etc etc nothing wrong with it
I have two dogs both over 15 years old one patterdale X dachshund and her son who's sire was Jack russell x fox terrier.
IMO the Kennel club is responsible for some of the worst cases of hereditary diseases in dogs

Whats wrong with it is the fact that the rescue centres are full of xbreeds! Until this number has drastically been reduced breeding without a waiting list should be stopped!

Rescue centers are full. _fact_ not just of x breeds all breeds.

Just because a dog has a piece of paper means what? diddly squat to be honest it doesn't mean that it wont end up in a rescue center, it doesn't mean that the actual pedigree is what it says it is, it certanly doesnt mean it will be free from hereditary diseases... far from it chances are it means it has more of a chance of being in need of putting into the ground. In Breeding the first cross is usually the best you breed two tight bred lines and then out x. we've done for over 50 years with both dogs and racing pigeons.

Dear All
I had my 1st mongrel when i was 6 years old. My father had suomen ajokoira, I also have had German shepherds,staffy, soft coated wheaten terrier,Bernese mountain dog and now my mutt maya ,as I mentioned. My exciting one maya has cost me arm and leg not to mention TIME. I'm qualified agility teacher + done in completion level obedience. I'm not saying that I know all about dogs but this time i really would like to have a puppy and schnoodle I believe would be right one for me and my partner. I do understand that this puppy could have/ would have one or more characteristic from one of her parents. I also strongly believe this litter if there is one would not end up in any rescue place

Good for you, if thats want you want nthen go for it, after all 99% of all KC dogs breeds started the same way