Hey guys, what does everyone think of these dispersal orders that can be made by S.Yorkshire police now? Apparently, its part of 'Operation Mischief' and any gangs that police suspect are causing trouble can be sent away?

Does anyone have any success stories? Or do you reckon that the orders make no difference?

Discuss!! :D

Is this what passes for journalism at the star then these days:D

The Tinsley one as now made any difference 2 years on!

No mention of Parson Cross / Foxhill in the report either!

last year my fence was burned by my neighbour having a bonfire. which i dont mind but they never replaced it, huff

Do you think these orders are just acting as a sticking plaster, a temporary measure? Cos apparently, crime has rocketed in neighbouring areas...

Do you think these orders are just acting as a sticking plaster, a temporary measure? Cos apparently, crime has rocketed in neighbouring areas...

Based on a study by Leeds uni - presumably based in Leeds.

Is this what passes for journalism at the star then these days:D

Hmm why did I have that thought too! Maybe the use of vocabulary, 'these' and 'apparently', give them away or maybe it's a student wanting us to do their homework for them (which isn't on unless you do mine too :D)

So, who says
it is part of 'operation mischief'? You just said apparently which implies that it is hear say and not fact.

Oh and I don't think they will make the slightest difference, they wouldn't solve the problem, just move it around in circles.

last year my fence was burned by my neighbour having a bonfire. which i dont mind but they never replaced it, huff

You're lucky. Last year I built an art installation in my local park, consisting of a huge pile of wood with a straw dummy on top, designed to represent the decline of Western civilisation.


Guess what happened to it on November 5th? :rant:

a few years ago when i lived at my mothers, there was a dispersal order in place and there were about 10 of us walking about just having the odd joint. the police drove past us slowly but did not stop and disperse us.
I wonder if they do disperse people?
We wasn't causing any trouble, but we were not supposed to be in a group.

It's a stupid policy, they should spend their time arresting people for commiting real crimes, e.g. burglary, assault, criminal damage, speeding etc.
Socialising in a group is not a crime.

I an the chairperson of a local Tenants and Residents Association and I can confirm that the police do have dispersal orders in place and the operation is in deed called Operation Mischief and it is in place in several problem areas. It actually runs from mid October to well after 5th of November.
It ran in our area last year and did make our problems easier, but I believe that areas outside the covered areas suffered

Operation Mischief is indeed happening now... more details here:

http://www.operationmischief.org/

It's a stupid policy, they should spend their time arresting people for commiting real crimes, e.g. burglary, assault, criminal damage, speeding etc.
Socialising in a group is not a crime.

Its not, and my understanding is that you can be in a group, as long as you are not being anti social. So a group of young people having a walk around the street, having a chat would not be dispersed. If you were sat, causing an obstruction, drinking underage, harrassing other members of the public, causing criminal damage etc etc then you would/should be dispersed under the order./ Its not about stopping kids being out, its about stopping them making lives a misery for other people (and probably reducing other crime in the area too - who's gonna go burgle a house in an area flooded with police dispersing youths?)

Treat them in the traditional bonfire night way - ie the way Guy Fawkes was treated 402 years ago. There is nothing like preserving these old traditions.

You're lucky. Last year I built an art installation in my local park, consisting of a huge pile of wood with a straw dummy on top, designed to represent the decline of Western civilisation.


Guess what happened to it on November 5th? :rant:

It turned-up in the Tate modern ?

Guess what happened to it on November 5th? :rant:

The straw dummy rose from the dead and ran for mayor?

Operation Mischief is such an utterly dumb name. Its like something kids would come up with before sticking fireworks in letterboxes and setting fire to things.

the dispersal orders you are talking about have had great effect in areas of doncaster and to this day one is still in place for the town center. the order means an officer can if needs be disperse a crowd or move people on if the are causing trouble which involves two or more people. this does not mean its a get out clause, its just sometime a more efficient way of nipping trouble in the bud rather than having a group of people wander the streets looking for trouble.

it also does not mean you are not allowed to congregate or socialise in a group (tom3to). if however you are causing trouble you will e asked to leave the area by a designated route, if you fail to do so or deviate from the route you could find yourself arrested.

not a get out clause and a very effective tool if used corectly

it also does not mean you are not allowed to congregate or socialise in a group (tom3to). if however you are causing trouble you will e asked to leave the area by a designated route, if you fail to do so or deviate from the route you could find yourself arrested.

not a get out clause and a very effective tool if used corectly

i dont get this. Why do the police need dispersal orders, if people are causing trouble then do the police not have the power to move them on anyway? or arrest them?
Or are we talking about causing trouble as in an activity that isnt already illegal? And in that case, the police shouldnt have the power to do anything because then where does it stop?

Its not, and my understanding is that you can be in a group, as long as you are not being anti social. So a group of young people having a walk around the street, having a chat would not be dispersed. If you were sat, causing an obstruction, drinking underage, harrassing other members of the public, causing criminal damage etc etc then you would/should be dispersed under the order./ Its not about stopping kids being out, its about stopping them making lives a misery for other people (and probably reducing other crime in the area too - who's gonna go burgle a house in an area flooded with police dispersing youths?)

Then you can be arrested anyway! What difference will a dispersal order make?

Then you can be arrested anyway! What difference will a dispersal order make?

It saves them from actually doing their job and makes them look tough on crime and the causes of crime.

They are tough on crime by making the criminals move on whilst commiting crime and tough on the causes of crime, which is I presume, groups of two or more crimnals commiting crime together. :roll:

It saves them from actually doing their job and makes them look tough on crime and the causes of crime.

They are tough on crime by making the criminals move on whilst commiting crime and tough on the causes of crime, which is I presume, groups of two or more crimnals commiting crime together. :roll:

Oh yes of course how silly of me. SYP: Justice with Courage

people can cause trouble without actually breaking the law.

without the dispersal order in place the police are powerless to move anybody on due to the European convention of human rights.
with an order in place they can tell troublemakers - not law breakers - basically to sling there hook.

if bobbies on such a busy night were to arrest everyone breaking the law in any minor guise the streets would soon be empty of police officers and the cells would soon be full youngsters with the police offices full of bobbies doing paperwork, leaving the real badddies to get on with what they want to do. a little discretion is at times a valuable skill to have

Oh yes of course how silly of me. SYP: Justice with Courage

I think its now just "South Yorkshire Police", they have paid £2k or something silly to change it.
Justice with courage is done by vigiliante see.