Hi All

I read the other week that Tesco's were not allowed to open a new mini supermarket in Walkley because they were not providing enough off street parking. Which would lead to cars parking up the pavement, blocking the roads, restricting pedestrian access etc.

My question is this, do those rules only apply to business?

Becase the Heeley Mosque - which is nice except for the green plastic effect - does not seem to provide enough off street parking. Granted there is some, but every time I drive past in the evenings - which is relatively often - there are lots of cars parked on both sides on the road on the pavement. Again blocking pedestrian access in places but also drastically restricting the traffic throughput.

Sorry if anyone think's I'm trolling, I just don't understand how the council can enforce a rule in Walkley for Tesco but then a community building doesn't seem to have to adhere to the same rules.

Edit - Please let me know whether my experience of the parking is just bad timing on my behalf and whether it really is an issue or not.

The requirement to provide adequate parking seems to be applied randomly.

Take a look at this recent thread about flats given planning permission on Albert Road despite not having enough parking places.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=265247&highlight=albert

does not seem to provide enough off street parking.

Hmmm... the same could be said for the two football grounds in Sheffield ;)

I suspect that because there are few new "churches" built these days, there is no planning guidence on parking requirements, thus the architects would have to make a specific case for the mosque, which could have pushed the local walking element and the fact that many people will arrive in full cars rather than single occupency - I'm sure if you really wish, you could request the reasons for parking level from the planning office

The 2 football grounds have police up and down the streets and no one is stupid enough to park on double yellow where as around a mosque you get everyone parking where ever they can get a car ( junctions, double yellows ect ) and parking wardens and police and the like turn a blind eye to it and even stay away all together.

not the same at all.

now if you had said a school ...

What about residential buildings. They have just passed plans for approx. another 160 apartments down the Kelham Island area, and from what I could acertain, only 30 parking spaces!!

So in reality we are pretty confident that Sheffield CC are pretty rubbish then as they have no hard and fast rules? I was just checking because I keep reading about things being stopped because of parking so I assumed that there was some sensible measurement taken.

But in reality it is random by the looks of it :) probably has something to do with money if govt is involved though......

The 2 football grounds have police up and down the streets and no one is stupid enough to park on double yellow where as around a mosque you get everyone parking where ever they can get a car ( junctions, double yellows ect ) and parking wardens and police and the like turn a blind eye to it and even stay away all together.

not the same at all.

You obviously dont get to look at the roads around the united ground on a match day! loads of idiots park on double yellows and on the junctions not to mention the footpaths!
As for the planning rule in general I think the planning decisions are made after the planners have been in the pub for several hours!
Take Castle College, its not bad enough that over the last few years over half of the original car parking spaces have been built on, now the council has agrred to the new building there is no car park on the main site at all, the surrounding roads have turned into a nightmare! But hay the planners are doing a really good job:D just not sure where their doing it!

Hmmm... the same could be said for the two football grounds in Sheffield ;)



Not to mention Sheffield hospitals. Their parking facilities are a total disgrace and what do they do....? You got it.. let them resite Jessops there too! :loopy::rant::suspect:

You obviously dont get to look at the roads around the united ground on a match day! loads of idiots park on double yellows and on the junctions not to mention the footpaths!
As for the planning rule in general I think the planning decisions are made after the planners have been in the pub for several hours!
To fair to the planners (:hihi:) Bramall Lane was built before the motor car was invented. (give or take a year or so)

Hi All

I read the other week that Tesco's were not allowed to open a new mini supermarket in Walkley because they were not providing enough off street parking. Which would lead to cars parking up the pavement, blocking the roads, restricting pedestrian access etc.

My question is this, do those rules only apply to business?

Becase the Heeley Mosque - which is nice except for the green plastic effect - does not seem to provide enough off street parking. Granted there is some, but every time I drive past in the evenings - which is relatively often - there are lots of cars parked on both sides on the road on the pavement. Again blocking pedestrian access in places but also drastically restricting the traffic throughput.

Sorry if anyone think's I'm trolling, I just don't understand how the council can enforce a rule in Walkley for Tesco but then a community building doesn't seem to have to adhere to the same rules.

Edit - Please let me know whether my experience of the parking is just bad timing on my behalf and whether it really is an issue or not.
It's probably not the best month to judge the traffic around the mosque.

The Tescos was I think partly turned down also due to requiring 3 deliveries a day. (which seems a bit much considering no one was going to use it :suspect:)

EDIT: I was actually in favour of the Tescos btw.

What about residential buildings. They have just passed plans for approx. another 160 apartments down the Kelham Island area, and from what I could acertain, only 30 parking spaces!!

Without wishing to sound like a broken record. I agree with how silly this is.

Wait until parking permits come in in these areas. (Kelham Island/StVincents Q etc etc). It will cause no end of bother.

Not to mention Sheffield hospitals. Their parking facilities are a total disgrace and what do they do....? You got it.. let them resite Jessops there too! :loopy::rant::suspect:
There's no hope for this now DIVA. 5 hospitals (3 of which are specialised, so attract people from all over the region) and a uni. All in the space of, what, quarter of a mile square?

The hospitals have been 'promising' to build more car parks for years and that was one of the reasons that Jessops was allowed to be built. Don't blame the Council for the Trusts not doing as they promised.

As for parking around the mosque, if you think it's being abused give the Council a call on 0114 273 6158. Parking control has nothing to do with the Police any more.

On a wider note, the ansewr to parking problems isn't to provide more car parks. The answer is to get commuter vehicles off the road, but therein lies a whole other argument :D

Hi Tony

I agree with the comments about getting cars off the road or trying to get people to stop using them as much for trips that walking would be perfectly reasonable. But people have been trying that for years and it just ain't working.

And all -
I realise that at Ramadan that the Mosque will be busy, which is why I was asking if it was just bad timing on my behalf but I've seen it like that when it isn't Ramadan. But since I don't travel around all parts of Sheffield on a regular basis I don't get to see the situation everywhere, just local to me - which by the sounds of it is just as bad!

But from the points raised it would seem that the planning permission rules are the same no matter the type of building, they are just widely ignored or not enforced. Which is good to know if I planned to build an 30 block Apartment building. I'd only need to provide parking for the landlord and the janitor :)

I think I might write to the council and just generally complain about the lack of enforcement of the rules on planning and parking.

Thanks for your comments so far!