Chelsea Football Club RANT [Archive]

Robbie Loving

19-01-2005, 17:20

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Being an avid Man Utd fan (bear with please!!)...

I am getting quite ****** off by the fact that the media has once again influenced people that chelsea have now eclipsed arsenal and us (MUFC) as being the biggest team in england.

WHY?

They are basically buying their way to the title.

The only reason they are doing so well is that their crooked owner Roman is splashing the cash at every opportunity- buying supposedly the best players in the world.

Now something I remember and it goes like this-

When Sky and Rupert Murdoch were going to buy MU and pump **** loads of cash into the club for players etc- their bid was cancelled out due to the fact that it was going to give MU an unfair advantage-- so why should chelsea be able to have a billionaire owner throwing money everywhere to try and buy some titles... I think the time has come for Sky to reopen the bid for MU again.

ALSO if there are any chelsea fans on here.

You aint gonna win all 4 titles-- forget that right now.

You will never be a bigger team than our 1999 team until you win at least a treble and then the super cup which will make you the best team in the world - which we were in 1999.

RANT OVER!

this post is quite laughable!!
as said by others, its not just chelsea that try buying the title!!
man utd TRIED doing it too!!

as for murdoch, i thought he was not allowed to takeover cause he owned sky, and this would give a bias over otther teams, although i may be wrong

as for them winning 4 trophies, if they won all 4 and not the super cup, they would still be a better team than man utd was that year!!
there is no denying chelsea have a great side, but they still have a few that was originally there

gudjohnson, terry, cudicini, lampard, gallas

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:11

Originally posted by Bloomdido
How can you support a football team made up of international mercenaries be it Chelsea or Manchester United? The only thing that makes it Manchester is the fact that they play at Old Trafford. The manager is a thug from Scotland and do any of the team hail from Manchester?

Even then they can't beat Exeter. Are you not concerned that you take this game so seriously?

Lol! Bless you mate!
You really have no idea how much this post made me **** myself laughing at you.

They play at old trafford - correct!

The manager is a thug from scotland- bit racist that innit- to say that you dont really know the guy..

And do any of the team hail from manchester...
Well Paul Scholes, the nevilles are local.

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:13

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:13

Originally posted by vidster
How much did Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand cost again?.

Not to mention Smith, Saha etc...etc.... The list goes on.

Not 100m+ like Chelsea have spent.
And we have spent the cash over a period of seasons not just one or two neither.

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:16

Originally posted by venger
If that isnt the pot calling the kettle back, what is?

Man U SUK big time. Horrible team and management.
Majority of Mancs poulation support Man City.
Glory hunters and ***s tend to like the scum (mostly)
Angelus, do you watch United play?

Man U SUCK big time? -- Why do we?
Horrible team and management- why is it we have been so successful then?

The majority of mancs support city- how do you know this?
Do you know every supporter in manchester personally- ******!
The majority support us.

Glory hunters and ***s tend to like the scum (mostly)
NO they've all gone to support arsenal and chelsea now hopefully- the true fans stick around.

And I do watch united play yep.

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:18

Originally posted by IanMitchell
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You guys certainly don't have as much money as Chelsea. You used to be the richest club but now you're all miserable that because your glory seekers are flocking to Chelsea- the team that has more money now.

You guys have paid 28 million for Ferdinand, 25 for Wayne Rooney, 12 million for Saha (?) and 8 million for Alan Smith.

MU are attempting to buy their way to the title also- sadly enough this is how the premiership works....

We are not trying to buy the title at all- we are just buying players who we can use in the future ie: Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Smithy.

It is a pity we dont have the cash the likes of chelsea that is true- but hay- Ronaldinho turned chelsea and the cash down and he was at the point of signing for us until Kenyon ****ed us up the ass.

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:20

Originally posted by scottf
Oh dear - another stetford united fan getting ****** off that there team isn't going to win anything this season!!!

Face it- man u are not the dominant force in english football anymore, your team is average for a man u team and your going through a transition period that will probably last another few years, get used to it.

Not going to win owt-- maybe not the league.. but there is always 3 other cups we are in- we are at least gonna win one of them.

Man U are not the most dominant- thats true now though.. we aint as good as we were- but we can still kick arsenal's ass!!
Hahaha!

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:22

Originally posted by scottf
Oh dear - another stetford united fan getting ****** off that there team isn't going to win anything this season!!!

Face it- man u are not the dominant force in english football anymore, your team is average for a man u team and your going through a transition period that will probably last another few years, get used to it.

AND just because you beat a poor premiership team 3-1 dont think your coming up to the bigtime just yet mate!!

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 21:23

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
this post is quite laughable!!
as said by others, its not just chelsea that try buying the title!!
man utd TRIED doing it too!!

as for murdoch, i thought he was not allowed to takeover cause he owned sky, and this would give a bias over otther teams, although i may be wrong

as for them winning 4 trophies, if they won all 4 and not the super cup, they would still be a better team than man utd was that year!!
there is no denying chelsea have a great side, but they still have a few that was originally there

gudjohnson, terry, cudicini, lampard, gallas

Chelsea have a good side- they aint won **** yet though.
Unless they win the treble at least- they aint as good as our 1999 team- period!

The supercup is the cup that you need to win that says you are the best team in the world.

Chelsea have got to win it - to earn my damn respect.

Andy78

19-01-2005, 22:36

So you're saying that if they won the super cup; you would respect them?

Seriously though, they have loads of cash and yes it's annoying but i'm sure you wouldn't complain if it was man u. Deal with it!

ANGELUS

19-01-2005, 22:48

Originally posted by Andy78
So you're saying that if they won the super cup; you would respect them?

Seriously though, they have loads of cash and yes it's annoying but i'm sure you wouldn't complain if it was man u. Deal with it!

Damn right- if chelsea won the supercup + the treble then I would be more then happy to give them my respect.

They have loads of cash- but having loads of cash does not necessarily mean that you will be able to get the best players in the world ie: Ronaldinho - who chelsea tried to get and could not also Roberto Carlos.

carcrash

20-01-2005, 01:37

ANGELUS mate, 9 of the last 10 posts have been by you.
Calm down

Veron, ( 28 million) good player and a blade to boot but played in the wrong system.
Dorlan,( 7.5million) Payed way over the odds for him, did bugger all and is now the joint leading scorer in Spain.
What was that goal keeper called talibi? the blind venitian. 4 million.
Peter Kenyon must be wetting himself laughing at you lot.

You beat a conference side 2 nil away from home after drawing nil nil at home in front of 67,000.
Some of the youngstirs that are coming through don't look that promising so they have spent 25-30 million on Rooney and 14 million on Ronaldo.
Still this might cheer you up
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/3717770.stm

igm1

20-01-2005, 08:06

Angelus it could be worse!

At least you don't support Sheffield Wednesday like I do, imagine how I feel!

Robbie Loving

20-01-2005, 09:58

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Chelsea have a good side- they aint won **** yet though.
Unless they win the treble at least- they aint as good as our 1999 team- period!

The supercup is the cup that you need to win that says you are the best team in the world.

Chelsea have got to win it - to earn my damn respect.

so if they won the super cup they would be hailed as good yeah?

ok..... in another post on another thread, morientes made a "step down" going to liverpool, a team that WON the super cup 3 seasons since i think it was, how long ago was it you won the champs league????

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

obviously chel;sea have not won anything yet, as they have not yet had chance to win anything, come on fool

Yodameister

20-01-2005, 10:20

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Damn right- if chelsea won the supercup + the treble then I would be more then happy to give them my respect.

They have loads of cash- but having loads of cash does not necessarily mean that you will be able to get the best players in the world ie: Ronaldinho - who chelsea tried to get and could not also Roberto Carlos.

Bearing in mind your start to this thread "Chelsea have bought success" I seriously doubt that you would respect them if they won everything. You would merely repeat that they have bought your success.

I can see that ManU in 1999 were a good team, but I have no respect for them mainly because I find Alex Ferguson a thoroughly repugnant character (I must admit I am starting to feel the same way about Arsene Wenger as their childish row continues)

Respect, for me, is a seperate issue to success.

Lou

20-01-2005, 11:51

Gary Neville, Phil Neville, Paul Scholes (who Angelus mentioned) and Wes Brown are local lads.

And yes, United have made expensive signings recently but there's still 7 current players who came up through the reserves/academy: G Nev, P Nev, Brown, Giggs, Scholes, O'Shea and Fletcher. And not so long ago Butt and Beckham would be included in that list too. I think United have always had a pretty good balance with players coming through the reserves/academy.

I think United's squad overall isn't great at the moment though and if Chelsea go on to win the League then I'd say they deserve it cos they're playing really well at the moment. Not that I want them to win it but if United can't make up the gap and win then I'd rather Chelsea win than Arsenal whom I despise with a passion. Even when Chelsea aren't playing brilliantly they can still grind out wins which go a long way to winning titles. Let's face it, they're going to have to mess up quite badly to lose the League now. (I'm still hoping they will mess up but it's not looking likely).

Yodameister

20-01-2005, 12:51

Do you dislike Arsenal for any reason other than they have won your "personal property", (the league) a few times recently?

Leigh

20-01-2005, 17:03

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Being an avid Man Utd fan (bear with please!!)...

I am getting quite ****** off by the fact that the media has once again influenced people that chelsea have now eclipsed arsenal and us (MUFC) as being the biggest team in england.

WHY?

They are basically buying their way to the title.

The only reason they are doing so well is that their crooked owner Roman is splashing the cash at every opportunity- buying supposedly the best players in the world.

Now something I remember and it goes like this-

When Sky and Rupert Murdoch were going to buy MU and pump **** loads of cash into the club for players etc- their bid was cancelled out due to the fact that it was going to give MU an unfair advantage-- so why should chelsea be able to have a billionaire owner throwing money everywhere to try and buy some titles... I think the time has come for Sky to reopen the bid for MU again.

ALSO if there are any chelsea fans on here.

You aint gonna win all 4 titles-- forget that right now.

You will never be a bigger team than our 1999 team until you win at least a treble and then the super cup which will make you the best team in the world - which we were in 1999.

RANT OVER!

1) no one thinks chelsea are the 'biggest team' in england, we are just certain that currently they are the best and as of yet have shown no signs that they are slowing down. On contraire, they'll keep spending....

2) I bow to your superior knowledge concering the 'corrupt' dealings of Abramovich

3) Quite amusing how you say chelsea will never be better than your '1999 team'....lets concentrate on the present shall we?

Loving your insecurity.......

Leigh

20-01-2005, 17:11

may i also suggest bbc2 at 950

ANGELUS

21-01-2005, 22:08

Originally posted by carcrash
ANGELUS mate, 9 of the last 10 posts have been by you.
Calm down

Veron, ( 28 million) good player and a blade to boot but played in the wrong system.
Dorlan,( 7.5million) Payed way over the odds for him, did bugger all and is now the joint leading scorer in Spain.
What was that goal keeper called talibi? the blind venitian. 4 million.
Peter Kenyon must be wetting himself laughing at you lot.

You beat a conference side 2 nil away from home after drawing nil nil at home in front of 67,000.
Some of the youngstirs that are coming through don't look that promising so they have spent 25-30 million on Rooney and 14 million on Ronaldo.
Still this might cheer you up
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/3717770.stm

Very good that link- just remember that the best player in the world was 99% a Man Utd player until Kenyon started sticking his big ass oar in.

AND funny you say that Kenyon is wetting himself- I was wetting myself too when I found out that moneybags chelsea got turned down by the worlds best players Ronaldinho/Roberto Carlos as well because they didnt want to join a 2nd rate team.
LMAO!

Veron was ****e- as was Forlan (not Dorlan mate)- couldnt believe he scored 2 past Barcelona a few matches ago.
And I agree with Taibi- he was ****e as well!

Your forgetting our decent youngsters as well mate-
Fletcher, Pique, Rossi just to name 3..

ANGELUS

21-01-2005, 22:10

Originally posted by IanMitchell
Angelus it could be worse!

At least you don't support Sheffield Wednesday like I do, imagine how I feel!

Very true!
I hope Sheff Wed do well though- I would love to see them back in the big time!

ANGELUS

21-01-2005, 22:12

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
so if they won the super cup they would be hailed as good yeah?

ok..... in another post on another thread, morientes made a "step down" going to liverpool, a team that WON the super cup 3 seasons since i think it was, how long ago was it you won the champs league????

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

obviously chel;sea have not won anything yet, as they have not yet had chance to win anything, come on fool

And when has any other english team done as well as us in europe hmmmm fool???

True Real Madrid were brilliant- look at them now.. do you really think they are going to win everything again??
Be honest.

And its 1999 since we ruled the world- whats Arsenal and Chelsea done to match our 1999 season??

ANGELUS

21-01-2005, 22:16

Originally posted by Yodameister
Do you dislike Arsenal for any reason other than they have won your "personal property", (the league) a few times recently?

I dislike Arsenal and Chelsea for the same reasons..

They start to do well- people start bumming them and saying they are the best team in the premiership and the world!
It is primarily the media doing it I suppose.. but then again I dont believe everything I read in papers and watch on TV.
I make up my own mind about things.

DONT believe that Chelsea are unbeatable like they made out Arsenal to be before we beat them. You will look very silly for it.

Chelsea and Arsenal are nowhere near the best teams in the world- and will not achieve anything like our 1999 season.
Period- and 'IF' they ever do I will gladly come on here and give them respect for it.

IF

Robbie Loving

22-01-2005, 01:30

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And when has any other english team done as well as us in europe hmmmm fool???

as stated, you won the champs league in 99,

liverpol won the uefa cup (albeit a smaller trophy) much more recently,
but they also won the super cup (a cup which you seem to think makes them the best team in the world) more recently than your champs league success

Originally posted by ANGELUS
True Real Madrid were brilliant- look at them now.. do you really think they are going to win everything again??
Be honest.

who mentioned real winning anything??

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And its 1999 since we ruled the world- whats Arsenal and Chelsea done to match our 1999 season??

arsenal have gone 49 games unbeaten, a mean feat by anyones standards, yes they have not performed as well in europe, but im sure this thread is about chelsea........

YES they have not done anything under mourinho YET, but lets have a look at what it has been possible for them to win yet, HMMMMM nothing!!!

in a month and a halfs time they MAY have the league cup in there hands!!

in 4 months, the prem title MAY be theres,
as MAY the fa cup/champs league!!

now i know you are saying it wont happen, but i certainly would not bet against it happening!! chelsea have a magnificent side, with a stunning work ethic for there defensive duties!!

the main point you had about chelsea was they was buying the title, but you are willing to give them respect if they manage to win everything, why is this then?? i thought they had bought the titles etc??

Now we can go on and on and on about the past all you want as i know man utd fans like to do,
yes you WAS big force to be reckoned with, and sometimes still now you are that force you was, but you will never reach some of the displays you pulled out of the hat in 99, SIX years ago!!
you are now left with players, who have past there peak, and only been able to replace 3 of them players, with ronaldo, van nistellroy and ferdinand!! go on about all you want with other players you have signed, rooney etc, but there is no denying, your a spent force

venger

22-01-2005, 10:38

Angelus, nothing personal.

I just feel that you have spat your dummy out over being knocked off the top spot.

ANGELUS

22-01-2005, 16:54

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
[B]as stated, you won the champs league in 99,

liverpol won the uefa cup (albeit a smaller trophy) much more recently,
but they also won the super cup (a cup which you seem to think makes them the best team in the world) more recently than your champs league success

:Winning the super cup does make you the worlds best team
: PERIOD! There is nothing to dispute on this.

arsenal have gone 49 games unbeaten, a mean feat by anyones standards, yes they have not performed as well in europe, but im sure this thread is about chelsea.......

:We went unbeaten for over 40 games in ALL competitions in 1999 which people still forget to this day.. arsenal achieved 49 in the league.. which is not as good as in all competitions is it?

YES they have not done anything under mourinho YET, but lets have a look at what it has been possible for them to win yet, HMMMMM nothing!!!

in a month and a halfs time they MAY have the league cup in there hands

in 4 months, the prem title MAY be theres,
as MAY the fa cup/champs league!!

now i know you are saying it wont happen, but i certainly would not bet against it happening!! chelsea have a magnificent side, with a stunning work ethic for there defensive duties!!

the main point you had about chelsea was they was buying the title, but you are willing to give them respect if they manage to win everything, why is this then?? i thought they had bought the titles etc??

: I'll give them respect if they can win all 4 + supercup.
: They will have earned it then.. but they wont do it!
: So my respect will stay with me.

Now we can go on and on and on about the past all you want as i know man utd fans like to do,

: As we are still the best english team of all time.
: So yep! -- Not like liverpool fans though are we??

yes you WAS big force to be reckoned with, and sometimes still now you are that force you was, but you will never reach some of the displays you pulled out of the hat in 99, SIX years ago!!

: The displays we pulled off- beating Juve away when they had
: not lost there for 40+ years... beat that chelsea.

you are now left with players, who have past there peak,

: By this I think you are thinking of Roy Keane
: I would love for you to come on here and publicly bitch about
: Roy- in fact I dare you mate!

and only been able to replace 3 of them players, with ronaldo, van nistellroy and ferdinand!!

: 3 of the best players in the world mind!

go on about all you want with other players you have signed, rooney etc, but there is no denying, your a spent force

***

If we are a spent force then OK we'll see shall we not.

But I warn you now- if chelsea **** up and win nowt this season I want everyone of you on here bumming chelsea and arsenal to publicly say that Man Utd are great and you were wrong.. thats the challenge for you... you man enough for it?

Robbie Loving

22-01-2005, 17:30

Originally posted by ANGELUS
:Winning the super cup does make you the worlds best team
: PERIOD! There is nothing to dispute on this.

hmmm..... maybe the best team in europe
but how can it make them the best team in the world when it is only europeans teams entered in to it?

Originally posted by ANGELUS
:We went unbeaten for over 40 games in ALL competitions in 1999 which people still forget to this day.. arsenal achieved 49 in the league.. which is not as good as in all competitions is it?

not strictly true...... you have point out that you went 40 games unbeaten in al competitions (i didn't actually know this but oh well) now you have to consider some of the teams you may now have played in that, obviously as it involved cups you could have played quite a few teams from the lower leagues, and you also entered the qualitfying round of the champs league, where you can come up against teams like the mighty barry town

whereas arsenal played 49 league games, in the top league of england, where week in, week out they have to play against good opposition, and also went 9 extra games unbeaten

Originally posted by ANGELUS
: As we are still the best english team of all time.
: So yep! -- Not like liverpool fans though are we??

come back to the present will you?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ANGELUS
[B]: The displays we pulled off- beating Juve away when they had
: not lost there for 40+ years... beat that chelsea.
juventes had not lost there for 40 years??
i gather you mean in europe?
im not sure if this is actually true,
as i believed it, man utd had not won there in 40 years
but im willing to be proved wrong

Originally posted by ANGELUS
: By this I think you are thinking of Roy Keane
: I would love for you to come on here and publicly bitch about
: Roy- in fact I dare you mate!

Roy was and still isa great player, but he does nothing compare to what he used to do
but i also mean, stam, schmeicel, giggs, irwin, scholes, yorke
yes i know a few of them have left, but you have struggled to replace them,

Originally posted by ANGELUS
: 3 of the best players in the world mind!

i see they are all as candidates for player of the year :loopy:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
If we are a spent force then OK we'll see shall we not.

But I warn you now- if chelsea **** up and win nowt this season I want everyone of you on here bumming chelsea and arsenal to publicly say that Man Utd are great and you were wrong.. thats the challenge for you... you man enough for it?

im not "bumming" chelsea as you so politely put it,
im just a realist, and i can see that man utd are nothing compared to what they used to be

if chelsea win more than prem (cause thats been and sewn up now) you shal be the one to eat your own words!!

ANGELUS

22-01-2005, 17:50

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
hmmm..... maybe the best team in europe
but how can it make them the best team in the world when it is only europeans teams entered in to it?

Its the top european team- winner of the champions league against the best team from outside of europe.
Its the best in the world match!

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not strictly true...... you have point out that you went 40 games unbeaten in al competitions (i didn't actually know this but oh well) now you have to consider some of the teams you may now have played in that, obviously as it involved cups you could have played quite a few teams from the lower leagues, and you also entered the qualitfying round of the champs league, where you can come up against teams like the mighty barry town

whereas arsenal played 49 league games, in the top league of england, where week in, week out they have to play against good opposition, and also went 9 extra games unbeaten
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Still 40+ games unbeaten mate and thats not losing against Juve who were the best team in the world in 1999 and also Inter Milan-- I think it was more 45 games unbeaten I think to be precise but I cant be too sure- will have to check on this.
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juventes had not lost there for 40 years??
i gather you mean in europe?

Thats right mate- sorry!
Its their european streak that was broke.
----------------------------------------------------
im not sure if this is actually true,
as i believed it, man utd had not won there in 40 years
but im willing to be proved wrong

Roy was and still isa great player, but he does nothing compare to what he used to do
but i also mean, stam, schmeicel, giggs, irwin, scholes, yorke
yes i know a few of them have left, but you have struggled to replace them,

True: we do miss Stam and Schmeichel.
Irwin/yorke we can do without I reckon.

im not "bumming" chelsea as you so politely put it,
im just a realist, and i can see that man utd are nothing compared to what they used to be

I was not saying that U in particular were bumming chelsea- LMAO but it just seems that the majority of people on here
like to believe things in the press more than the real world.

if chelsea win more than prem (cause thats been and sewn up now) you shal be the one to eat your n words!!

And if chelsea win all 4 + supercup, I will eat my hat live on sheffield forums!!

Robbie Loving

22-01-2005, 17:53

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And if chelsea win all 4 + supercup, I will eat my hat live on sheffield forums!!

i forget who it was that said he would show his árse in a shop window if middlesborough beat man utd at old trafford a few seaons back

one scoreline is needed for that comment 3-1 lol

i hope for your sake and also english football you dont have to eat your hat angelus

Snook

22-01-2005, 18:15

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
i forget who it was that said he would show his árse in a shop window if middlesborough beat man utd at old trafford a few seaons back

one scoreline is needed for that comment 3-1 lol

i hope for your sake and also english football you dont have to eat your hat angelus

Bernie Slaven?

Robbie Loving

22-01-2005, 18:19

Originally posted by Snook
Bernie Slaven?

sounds about right yes

ANGELUS

22-01-2005, 20:50

If they win all 4 + supercup I'll even take a picture and post it on here for you all to see!

matthewS

25-01-2005, 03:14

Real Madrid Barselona Milan Bayern Munchen -this big team spend a lot of money too.I think that not big deal that Roman bay everyone who can PLAY .

carcrash

25-01-2005, 05:27

Wasn't Robben due to sign for Man u as the replacement for giggs a couple of years ago.

ANGELUS

25-01-2005, 22:16

He was.. but the only thing that the papers havent said is that he was not guaranteed a first team place over Ryan Giggs.
And thats why he went to chelsea.. not the cash.

Another thing I have noticed and Im sure will happen in the future.

Chelsea are after another striker again from these following players: Kaka, Shevchenko or Robinho.

Now if I was drogba or kezman or gudjohnsson I would be severly getting ****** off by the fact that chelsea are constantly looking at new players to replace existing players.

For me it would unsettle the squad- which is exactly what I'm waiting to happen.

Robbie Loving

25-01-2005, 22:19

Originally posted by ANGELUS
He was.. but the only thing that the papers havent said is that he was not guaranteed a first team place over Ryan Giggs.
And thats why he went to chelsea.. not the cash.

lets face it, robben would have been first choice no problem!!

man utd was only prepared to offer 6 million, something which came from both club and player

ANGELUS

25-01-2005, 22:22

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
lets face it, robben would have been first choice no problem!!

man utd was only prepared to offer 6 million, something which came from both club and player

I think it was giggs being stubborn to be honest- in the long term I would have gone all out to get Robben.. giggs has only got a few years tops remaining where as robben has many years yet to go.

Time will tell though if MU made a big mistake in not getting Robben.. biggest mistake ever- letting Ronaldinho slip thru our fingers.

Lickszz

26-01-2005, 23:36

Speaking of Chelsea, does anyone have any idea whom they might have lined up for their new kits deal? They recently paid Umbro £24.5m to end the contract prematurely in 2006 instead of 2011. Neither company has said why the deal would be ended early.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4190509.stm

vidster

26-01-2005, 23:57

Originally posted by carcrash
Wasn't Robben due to sign for Man u as the replacement for giggs a couple of years ago.

And in my humble opinion, Man U missed out on one of....If not the best players in the world (Not yet but lets wait and see).

Robbie Loving

27-01-2005, 06:45

Originally posted by Lickszz
Speaking of Chelsea, does anyone have any idea whom they might have lined up for their new kits deal? They recently paid Umbro £24.5m to end the contract prematurely in 2006 instead of 2011. Neither company has said why the deal would be ended early.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4190509.stm

reports have it, that chelsea are lining up a new sponsowship package with adidas, which is gonna earn them £30 million a year!!
this is why another report came from saying chelsea might be buying beckham because he is sponsored by adidas too :loopy:

it also seems chelsea maybe banishing the sponsor of the middle of the shirt in there centenary season!!!

igm1

27-01-2005, 07:29

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Another thing I have noticed and Im sure will happen in the future.

Chelsea are after another striker again from these following players: Kaka, Shevchenko or Robinho.

Now if I was drogba or kezman or gudjohnsson I would be severly getting ****** off by the fact that chelsea are constantly looking at new players to replace existing players.

For me it would unsettle the squad- which is exactly what I'm waiting to happen.

A little too much pot calling the kettle black.....

How many strikers have you got that cost dirt loads of money?

Wouldn't that unsettle the team?

scottf

27-01-2005, 10:43

hhmmmm - well what happened last night then?

tiffy

27-01-2005, 20:15

Talking of Chelsea - have you seen the following ?

http://www.chelsea-mad.co.uk/news/loadfeat.asp?cid=EDW2&id=57816 (http://)

craigb

31-01-2005, 12:36

It does make me laugh when Man U fans start crying now that they're no longer the team getting all the glory supporters!

The fact of the matter is this - people are not claiming Chelsea and Arsenal are the bigger sides to annoy Man U fans... they're doing it because they are both playing fantastic football and knocking everyone else for 6!

You only have to look at Arsenal's amazing season last year, and Chelsea's form this season to see why.

I'm hardly happy about the way Chelsea are getting success, but if I'm honest - if the same where to happen at Newcastle I'd be over the moon, so I can't complain.

IMHO Man U have lost it. They did used to be a huge side and financially still are, but you look at the team sheet and it pales in comparision to previous Man U sides. They still play people like Giggs (lost it years ago) and Roy Keane (should have been permantely banned years ago), and C.Ronaldo - who seems to be incapable of anything apart from dancing around the ball with pointless step-overs and diving...

...not to mention Rooney - who while at Everton showed real potential of becoming a top class striker with the right mentality.. until he signed for Man U and came under the wing of AF - who (as with most of his players let's face it) has taken the mentality away and turned him into an angry, dirty-playing diving cheat who unfortunately (from an English point of view) only seems to show glimpses of that old potential (such as that great 2nd goal he hit at the weekend).

It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day, and in my experience most Man U fans are too arrogant to accept anyones opinion but their own.

Oh, and I'm not sure how you can claim Man U are the best EVER side in Britain... if you're talking about domestic success then Celtic and Rangers both beat you, and if you're talking European success then Liverpool VASTLY out-do you!

ANGELUS

31-01-2005, 22:53

Originally posted by craigb
It does make me laugh when Man U fans start crying now that they're no longer the team getting all the glory supporters!

The fact of the matter is this - people are not claiming Chelsea and Arsenal are the bigger sides to annoy Man U fans... they're doing it because they are both playing fantastic football and knocking everyone else for 6!

You only have to look at Arsenal's amazing season last year, and Chelsea's form this season to see why.

I'm hardly happy about the way Chelsea are getting success, but if I'm honest - if the same where to happen at Newcastle I'd be over the moon, so I can't complain.

IMHO Man U have lost it. They did used to be a huge side and financially still are, but you look at the team sheet and it pales in comparision to previous Man U sides. They still play people like Giggs (lost it years ago) and Roy Keane (should have been permantely banned years ago), and C.Ronaldo - who seems to be incapable of anything apart from dancing around the ball with pointless step-overs and diving...

...not to mention Rooney - who while at Everton showed real potential of becoming a top class striker with the right mentality.. until he signed for Man U and came under the wing of AF - who (as with most of his players let's face it) has taken the mentality away and turned him into an angry, dirty-playing diving cheat who unfortunately (from an English point of view) only seems to show glimpses of that old potential (such as that great 2nd goal he hit at the weekend).

It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day, and in my experience most Man U fans are too arrogant to accept anyones opinion but their own.

Oh, and I'm not sure how you can claim Man U are the best EVER side in Britain... if you're talking about domestic success then Celtic and Rangers both beat you, and if you're talking European success then Liverpool VASTLY out-do you!

****ing YES!
Im so going to enjoy ripping this piece to shreds!!

Ok here we go-

1. It does make me laugh when Man U fans start crying now that they're no longer the team getting all the glory supporters!
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**** the glory supporters, you are either with us or against us.. **** off to chelsea or arsenal because we dont need glory hunters around.

2. The fact of the matter is this - people are not claiming Chelsea and Arsenal are the bigger sides to annoy Man U fans... they're doing it because they are both playing fantastic football and knocking everyone else for 6!
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BUT what have they actually won dick-
They aint won ****.. apart from Arsenal winning the league.
Which they wont do again this season- will they.
And knocking everyone else for 6?? -- we bitch slapped Arsenal goodstyle this season and come tmrw it will be x3.

3. You only have to look at Arsenal's amazing season last year, and Chelsea's form this season to see why.
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Lets see arsenals trophy haul from last seasons amazing year shall we- what did they win big time.. the league.. thats it.
No european cup, no supercup.. nothing bigger than the league.
Its not amazing mate- its poor for such a team.

4. IMHO Man U have lost it. They did used to be a huge side and financially still are, but you look at the team sheet and it pales in comparision to previous Man U sides. They still play people like Giggs (lost it years ago) and Roy Keane (should have been permantely banned years ago), and C.Ronaldo - who seems to be incapable of anything apart from dancing around the ball with pointless step-overs and diving...
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Man U have lost it? We'll see at the end of the season then wont we- previous man u sides- maybe. Giggs- still one of the worlds best Left Midfielders, Roy Keane- 30+ years old and still ******* on the likes of Gerrard and Vieira and Ronaldo- dont even start with the guy- he is one of the most electrifiying players in the premiership- and he is still only 18.

5. ...not to mention Rooney - who while at Everton showed real potential of becoming a top class striker with the right mentality.. until he signed for Man U and came under the wing of AF - who (as with most of his players let's face it) has taken the mentality away and turned him into an angry, dirty-playing diving cheat who unfortunately (from an English point of view) only seems to show glimpses of that old potential (such as that great 2nd goal he hit at the weekend).
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I have been waiting for this for fookin ages-
Right- Rooney
He is englands ****ing best hope of winning anything period,
Our countries footballing hopes rely on HIM.
The guy is a ****ing genius.
You are only ****ing whining about him because he is something you all will never be- a winner at only 18 years old and that makes you ****ing jealous.
Dont bitch about the kid - when you will all be shouting his name come the next england game!

5. It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day, and in my experience most Man U fans are too arrogant to accept anyones opinion but their own.
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And in my experience- LMAO.
Most Man U fans are not arrogant- I aint arrogant for a start.
I love watching the premiership- its fookin the tops league in the world- and my passion is to speak about football.
I love it- Im not one sided by any means just because Im a Utd fan.. far from it and I do accept other opinions where they are valid.

6. Oh, and I'm not sure how you can claim Man U are the best EVER side in Britain... if you're talking about domestic success then Celtic and Rangers both beat you, and if you're talking European success then Liverpool VASTLY out-do you!
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Liverpool vastly out do us-- one word-- 1999
The treble- or sorry- should I say quadruple year.
As we won the supercup, league, FA Cup, and Champions league- something which no english team will ever do again no matter how much cash chelsea throw at it.

Liverpool/Celtic-- dont make me laugh pal.

igm1

01-02-2005, 07:14

Originally posted by ANGELUS
****ing YES!
Im so going to enjoy ripping this piece to shreds!!

Ok here we go-

1. It does make me laugh when Man U fans start crying now that they're no longer the team getting all the glory supporters!
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**** the glory supporters, you are either with us or against us.. **** off to chelsea or arsenal because we dont need glory hunters around.

2. The fact of the matter is this - people are not claiming Chelsea and Arsenal are the bigger sides to annoy Man U fans... they're doing it because they are both playing fantastic football and knocking everyone else for 6!
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BUT what have they actually won dick-
They aint won ****.. apart from Arsenal winning the league.
Which they wont do again this season- will they.
And knocking everyone else for 6?? -- we bitch slapped Arsenal goodstyle this season and come tmrw it will be x3.

3. You only have to look at Arsenal's amazing season last year, and Chelsea's form this season to see why.
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Lets see arsenals trophy haul from last seasons amazing year shall we- what did they win big time.. the league.. thats it.
No european cup, no supercup.. nothing bigger than the league.
Its not amazing mate- its poor for such a team.

4. IMHO Man U have lost it. They did used to be a huge side and financially still are, but you look at the team sheet and it pales in comparision to previous Man U sides. They still play people like Giggs (lost it years ago) and Roy Keane (should have been permantely banned years ago), and C.Ronaldo - who seems to be incapable of anything apart from dancing around the ball with pointless step-overs and diving...
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Man U have lost it? We'll see at the end of the season then wont we- previous man u sides- maybe. Giggs- still one of the worlds best Left Midfielders, Roy Keane- 30+ years old and still ******* on the likes of Gerrard and Vieira and Ronaldo- dont even start with the guy- he is one of the most electrifiying players in the premiership- and he is still only 18.

5. ...not to mention Rooney - who while at Everton showed real potential of becoming a top class striker with the right mentality.. until he signed for Man U and came under the wing of AF - who (as with most of his players let's face it) has taken the mentality away and turned him into an angry, dirty-playing diving cheat who unfortunately (from an English point of view) only seems to show glimpses of that old potential (such as that great 2nd goal he hit at the weekend).
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I have been waiting for this for fookin ages-
Right- Rooney
He is englands ****ing best hope of winning anything period,
Our countries footballing hopes rely on HIM.
The guy is a ****ing genius.
You are only ****ing whining about him because he is something you all will never be- a winner at only 18 years old and that makes you ****ing jealous.
Dont bitch about the kid - when you will all be shouting his name come the next england game!

5. It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day, and in my experience most Man U fans are too arrogant to accept anyones opinion but their own.
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And in my experience- LMAO.
Most Man U fans are not arrogant- I aint arrogant for a start.
I love watching the premiership- its fookin the tops league in the world- and my passion is to speak about football.
I love it- Im not one sided by any means just because Im a Utd fan.. far from it and I do accept other opinions where they are valid.

6. Oh, and I'm not sure how you can claim Man U are the best EVER side in Britain... if you're talking about domestic success then Celtic and Rangers both beat you, and if you're talking European success then Liverpool VASTLY out-do you!
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Liverpool vastly out do us-- one word-- 1999
The treble- or sorry- should I say quadruple year.
As we won the supercup, league, FA Cup, and Champions league- something which no english team will ever do again no matter how much cash chelsea throw at it.

Liverpool/Celtic-- dont make me laugh pal.

No sign of arrogance at all there mate...... :P

Robbie Loving

01-02-2005, 08:45

Originally posted by ANGELUS
****ing YES!
**** the glory supporters, you are either with us or against us.. **** off to chelsea or arsenal because we dont need glory hunters around.

you would be nowhere with out your glory supporters, they make man utd what they are, and they bring in a lot of revenue, even if they only buy one t-shirt a year!!

Originally posted by ANGELUS
BUT what have they actually won dick-
They aint won ****.. apart from Arsenal winning the league.
Which they wont do again this season- will they.
And knocking everyone else for 6?? -- we bitch slapped Arsenal goodstyle this season and come tmrw it will be x3.

as you say, what have they won??
the fa cup a few times, prem titles few times
and arsenal have not finished outside the top 2 since wenger took over,

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Lets see arsenals trophy haul from last seasons amazing year shall we- what did they win big time.. the league.. thats it.
No european cup, no supercup.. nothing bigger than the league.
Its not amazing mate- its poor for such a team.

they won the prem league, a very big trophy if you ask me!!
but more importantly they won a lot of respect from the people of england, something which is hard to do as man utd have found out

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Man U have lost it? We'll see at the end of the season then wont we- previous man u sides- maybe. Giggs- still one of the worlds best Left Midfielders, Roy Keane- 30+ years old and still ******* on the likes of Gerrard and Vieira and Ronaldo- dont even start with the guy- he is one of the most electrifiying players in the premiership- and he is still only 18.

giggs is past it, you should have signed robben,
keane does not **** on gerrard, at the moment gerrard is keeping them going, keane could not do that!!! gerrard has everything, but with youth too
ronaldo is a very good player, but he still needs to start being a bit more consistent

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I have been waiting for this for fookin ages-
Right- Rooney
He is englands ****ing best hope of winning anything period,
Our countries footballing hopes rely on HIM.
The guy is a ****ing genius.
You are only ****ing whining about him because he is something you all will never be- a winner at only 18 years old and that makes you ****ing jealous.
Dont bitch about the kid - when you will all be shouting his name come the next england game!

as you so nicely keep going on....... what has rooney actually WON? the nation does not rely on rooney, obviously it is better we have him available, cause he can turn a game, but what he is showing at man utd (apart from sat) is nothing compared to how he used to be!!

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And in my experience- LMAO.
Most Man U fans are not arrogant- I aint arrogant for a start.
I love watching the premiership- its fookin the tops league in the world- and my passion is to speak about football.
I love it- Im not one sided by any means just because Im a Utd fan.. far from it and I do accept other opinions where they are valid.

you are very arrogant at times!!! and yes you are very one sided

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Liverpool vastly out do us-- one word-- 1999
The treble- or sorry- should I say quadruple year.
As we won the supercup, league, FA Cup, and Champions league- something which no english team will ever do again no matter how much cash chelsea throw at it.

1999 is not one word!!
liverpool/Celtic-- dont make me laugh pal.

also you did not win the super cup, you lost 1-0 to lazio!! i thought you might remember that !!

liverpool won 5 trophies in one season..... league cup, fa cup, charity shield, uefa cup AND super cup (something which man utd didn't win, wel not since 1991) does that mean they was better than you??? and this was done THREE yes THREE seasons since, not FIVE like man utd

craigb

01-02-2005, 11:27

Angelus mate - stop... you're making a **** of yourself :P

Where to start....

How you can say all of the things you have throughout this thread then claim to not to be arrogant is beyond me.

Giggs is certainly not the best left winger in the premiership. Not anymore anyway. Don't get me wrong - I used to be a huge admirer of his (despite playing for ManUre).... when he had talent. These days he's well past his best and personally I kinda find it sad to watch.

How you can claim Roy Keane is anything but past it PROVES your arrogance - there are quite a few CM players in the premiership who (IMO) are much better players that the foul-king... like Gerrard, Viera, Lampard...the list goes on.

As Robbie says, without the glory supporters ManUre would be nowhere, as they make up a (very) large propotion of your "fan" base (I use the word fan in it's broadest possible meaning you understand, as they are not what I would call a fan), and being as ManUre have (or should that be HAD) established themselves by using the money from these "fans" you should be more appreciative!

Rooney is NOT England's best hope for glory at all.. the England team as a whole is. Football is a team sport and without quality all over the pitch your not going to win anything (especially at international level). Personally, I still rate Owen higher than Rooney, especially given Rooney's new attitude. What I WASN't saying though is that he's cr*p - I never said that as he's clearly not. What I DID say (if you'd bothered to read my post) was that (IMHO) he's lost alot of the potential he was showing when he was at Everton since moving to ManUre and learning the Alex F brand of football: foul, dive and b*tch at the ref.

Oh, and as Robbie pointed out Liverpool won 5 trophies in one season, not to mention if you go solely on European success (which is what I said) Liverpool p**s all over most other teams in Europe as they were utterly dominate for quite a period.

C.Ronaldo is ****! The only reason ManUre fans love him is because he is the personification of everything ManUre and AF is about - diving, cheating and arrogance.

Personally I've never understood how anyone who actually knows and enjoys football (ie none glory supporters) can support ManUre. I don't see the point - where's the ambition, the drive.

With most other teams, your team wins a trophy (or a game in some cases!) and it's a huge thing... massive celebrations, tears rolling down your face etc etc

ManUre win and... wopptie-do :rolleyes:

How dull.

liver0806

01-02-2005, 11:51

After tonight, when Man Utd lose to Arsenal, then in a few weeks time get knocked out of the Champions League by Milan you wont be so cocky!!

Chelsea may have bought the title but at the end of the day over the last few years Man Utd have spent just as much money on players just that the players they bought were crap!!

Come on Arsenal tonight, kick them back up to Manchester and then catch chelsea!!

ANGELUS

01-02-2005, 18:41

If Utd win tonight- so help me god!
U

ANGELUS

01-02-2005, 18:42

If Utd win tonight- so help me god!
U are in for such a roasting.

But bless you all for your kind comments.
Cheers all for posting to this topic.. Im enjoying this very much.

Robbie Loving

01-02-2005, 18:49

Originally posted by ANGELUS
If Utd win tonight- so help me god!
U are in for such a roasting.

But bless you all for your kind comments.
Cheers all for posting to this topic.. Im enjoying this very much.

is that cause your finally learning something about your own team??

ANGELUS

01-02-2005, 21:50

Now then..
Where are all you cocky sods now then?

Seems to have gone a little quiet now,
Wonder why?

igm1

01-02-2005, 22:43

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Now then..
Where are all you cocky sods now then?

Seems to have gone a little quiet now,
Wonder why?

Yeah you'd be singing a different tune if you'd lost

No one likes bad winner....

ANGELUS

01-02-2005, 23:19

Originally posted by IanMitchell
Yeah you'd be singing a different tune if you'd lost

No one likes bad winner....

Awww Pity.
You all wrote MU off on here.

Just shows you all dont know that much about football and team spirit do you.

LMAO

carcrash

02-02-2005, 00:03

I'm here,
Now where were you born, truthful now.
Good result, I agree, but your blind devotion and failure to see whats wrong with Manchester United and the rest of the big clubs leaves me cold.

One of the funny things about you lot is this time last year you were whinging about cubic expression and now your hoping they can save you from being taken over by glazier.

Alex Ferguson is a good manager but have you seen some of the corruption that he is alleged to have taken part in, the dodgy transfer dealings, his sons sports agency, the tapping up allegations. I wonder where Kenyon got taught these things if the allegations about Cole are true.

I have always prefered MUFC to arsenal or Liverpool but it is the sort of attitude of fans like you that I really dislike.

If you want to have a proper conversation with people on this site about football you will find a fair few of us that support different teams willing to do so, and we do know about football, but if you want to keep going on like you are doing then you can shove your head up your ass.

Lickszz

02-02-2005, 00:34

The best chance Man Utd have of winning the title is to hope that Chelsea get a 10 point deduction for tapping up Ashley Cole. And even then it still would be a struggle. :D

carcrash

02-02-2005, 01:05

Wouldn't that be ironic, did anybody hear Kenyon on radio 5.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/ it should be up for a week

igm1

02-02-2005, 08:32

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Awww Pity.
You all wrote MU off on here.

Just shows you all dont know that much about football and team spirit do you.

LMAO

lol you remind me of a child.....

Just because I (and many others) backed Arsenal to win does not show lack of knowledge about football.

I bet many pundits backed Arsenal with them being at home....

Robbie Loving

02-02-2005, 14:27

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Now then..
Where are all you cocky sods now then?

Seems to have gone a little quiet now,
Wonder why?

possibly we have lives away from the net?

ANGELUS

04-02-2005, 20:49

Originally posted by carcrash
I'm here,
Now where were you born, truthful now.
Good result, I agree, but your blind devotion and failure to see whats wrong with Manchester United and the rest of the big clubs leaves me cold.

One of the funny things about you lot is this time last year you were whinging about cubic expression and now your hoping they can save you from being taken over by glazier.

Alex Ferguson is a good manager but have you seen some of the corruption that he is alleged to have taken part in, the dodgy transfer dealings, his sons sports agency, the tapping up allegations. I wonder where Kenyon got taught these things if the allegations about Cole are true.

I have always prefered MUFC to arsenal or Liverpool but it is the sort of attitude of fans like you that I really dislike.

If you want to have a proper conversation with people on this site about football you will find a fair few of us that support different teams willing to do so, and we do know about football, but if you want to keep going on like you are doing then you can shove your head up your ass.
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I was born in sheffield- yep so that means you can slag me off now.. apart from my family have and always will be Man Utd fans- and that goes a few generations back now.

I dont have blind devotion to my team- I love MU with passion and nothing will ever change that for me- its my religion if you will and I dont turn a blind eye to the forthcomings at my club and the big clubs in the league.

I never whined about Cubic Expression- check my posts pls before you run your trap with this.

Alex Ferguson- has never been charged with anything like you suggested has he? Prove me wrong here please.

Our attitude of MU fans? We dont have an attitude.
Sure we may run our mouths at times- be we have been entitled to havent we? Arsenal fans did it last year and the beginning of this one - before being shot down in flames and now it seems the chelsea fans are starting to have a little cockiness about them now,

If I want to have a proper conversation about football- what better place to do it than come on here and talk to you fine people.

If I want to keep going I can shove my head up my ass?
LMFAO!
Bless!!

ANGELUS

04-02-2005, 20:51

Originally posted by Lickszz
The best chance Man Utd have of winning the title is to hope that Chelsea get a 10 point deduction for tapping up Ashley Cole. And even then it still would be a struggle. :D

For ****s sake- for the last time.

CHELSEA HAVE NOT WON **** ALL YET.

There is still 40pts to go till the end of the season.

There is still time for them to **** it all up- starting if they lose points for trying to tap up cole which would be a well deserved punishment for a start- if they lose 10 points- they are going to have a real battle on their hands to win that title.

ANGELUS

04-02-2005, 20:53

Originally posted by IanMitchell
lol you remind me of a child.....

Just because I (and many others) backed Arsenal to win does not show lack of knowledge about football.

I bet many pundits backed Arsenal with them being at home....

Most pundits and fans- IE: You - back whoever the media say are going to win ie: Chelsea and 'Undefeatable' Arsenal.

That is where you will ultimately end up looking foolish.

MU are always up for Arsenal games - therefore they have a better chance of winning the games.. ie: the 3 games we played them this season- all wins.

Stop believing what The Sun shoves down your throats.

Many pundits backed arsenal- which greatly amused me.
Due to the fact that these people are professionals.
And I won them all.
LMAO.

Just shows you how biased some pundits can be eh!

Lickszz

04-02-2005, 21:57

Originally posted by ANGELUS
For ****s sake- for the last time.

CHELSEA HAVE NOT WON **** ALL YET.

There is still 40pts to go till the end of the season.

There is still time for them to **** it all up- starting if they lose points for trying to tap up cole which would be a well deserved punishment for a start- if they lose 10 points- they are going to have a real battle on their hands to win that title.

I think you should wake up and smell the coffee Mr. All you can do is hope Chelsea have a disaster run in. Do you really think Chelsea are going to drop 11 points between now and the end of the season? I'll tell you now, I would be most surprised and basically it's very unlikely, isn't it? Like I keep telling you, they have only dropped 11 points all season and they have only had 8 goals scored against them and they CAN afford to lose to Man Utd and Arsenal with still be 5 clear. Your team on the other hand can't afford to drop ANY points.

Just face up to things, the title is Chelsea's to lose.

craigb

05-02-2005, 01:47

Firstly, I (like most non-biased people I imagine) backed Arsenal because they are by far the better side, but as we all know it is not always the case in football that the better side wins (see Exeter getting a fantastic and well deserved 0-0 draw against Man U for a prime example).

That's why we love it the way we do.

Secondly (and ironically) having beaten Arsenal Man U have all but given the title to Chelsea as those not blinded by arrogance (aka Man U fans) can see it's HIGHLY unlikely that anyone other than them will take the title now, especially with the defensive record they've got going on at the moment and the form many of their key players are in.

I fully expect Chelsea to have a bit of a dip in form as keeping up the kind of form they're in is very tough, but then we all said the same last year about Arsenal and they managed to keep it going to the end of the season and beyond.

Having said that - even if they do have a dip in form, I can't see it being big enough to put their lead in any real danger, especially being as I expect Man U to have a dip of their own before too long and given the lack of depth (especially compared to Chelseas!) it would probably be harder for them to get out of.

Who knows - at the end of the day we are all trying to predict something that is most of the time unpredictable...football.

There's a reason it's called the beautiful game... and it sure aint because of Wayne Rooney! :hihi:

ANGELUS

05-02-2005, 11:45

Originally posted by craigb
There's a reason it's called the beautiful game... and it sure aint because of Wayne Rooney! :hihi:

Damn right! LOL!

ANGELUS

05-02-2005, 11:48

Originally posted by craigb
Firstly, I (like most non-biased people I imagine) backed Arsenal because they are by far the better side, but as we all know it is not always the case in football that the better side wins (see Exeter getting a fantastic and well deserved 0-0 draw against Man U for a prime example).

I cant believe you still think Arsenal are the better team than us.
How many times does MU have to beat them this season before people get the fooking point.

They have some decent attacking play true- but when it comes to the crunch- they cant handle an agressive team which go at them like we have over the 3 games.

Arsenal cant handle us and time will tell if chelsea can either when we play like we did against arsenal.

brooksy

05-02-2005, 20:22

personally i always find it amazing how man utd have so many supporters who dont actually go to games . its a well known fact that man city have a far bigger home base support than man utd. granted there net spreads far and wide but whats up with these folk when they cant support there own town or city. as for chelsea buying the lg well thats up to them, theyve got the cash and in my opinion are a good side to watch. isnt that what the fans want to see week in week out, man utd at the moment just arnt as good , simple as that. you can harp on about trebles and cup glory all you want, you obviously dont remember the liverpool sides 73 thro till the 80s. they were by far the best team or teams ever seen in this country by a long way, check out there cup wins at home and in europe, it p----- on man utd

Agent Gypo

06-02-2005, 14:37

As a neutral in the Man U-Arsenal-Chelsea debate I think Chelsea will walk the Premiership and win at least one of the three cup competitions. Even when they play badly they win, just like Man U a few years ago.

With Abramovich pumping his riches into the team, Chelsea could end up like either Real Madrid and become a great footballing force, or like Internazionale and win bugger all. It's getting to the point now where players approached by Chelsea will be looking for reasons why they SHOULDNT join them, just like Real Madrid.

According to articles in The Guardian, Observer, 442 and bbc online Abramovich is also expressing an interest in having some of his close business associates (two of whom are agents representing Steven Gerrard and Rio Ferdinand) buy Feyenoord. One of them has already bought Brazilian side Corinthians. He wanted to buy them himself but apparently there is legislation that prevents a person having controlling stakes in more than one club.

ANGELUS

06-02-2005, 15:42

Robbie Loving

06-02-2005, 18:15

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I cant believe you still think Arsenal are the better team than us.
How many times does MU have to beat them this season before people get the fooking point.

so...... im just wondering on whether you think you are better than chelsea then??

played 3, lost 2 drawn 1?

you have only managed one goal against them too

mer1002

07-02-2005, 15:16

A mate of mine took his two young lad's to Chelsea last season.......and it cost him £165 for three ticket's !

£55 QUID a ticket with no concessions for Juniors !

He said the atmosphere was very poor,and the number of foreigner's in the ground was amazing !

Also got a text from a mate who was at Old Trafford on Saturday and his text read as follow's

"Never seen as many Chinese Looking people at a football game before"

Strange !!

ANGELUS

07-02-2005, 22:45

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
so...... im just wondering on whether you think you are better than chelsea then??

played 3, lost 2 drawn 1?
you have only managed one goal against them too

Form wise yep!
Just havent had the results this season-
time will tell at the end of the season though wont we.

ALSO- nice to see the slipup has begun against Man City.
The lead cut to now 9pts isnt it.

LMAO

ANGELUS

07-02-2005, 22:47

Originally posted by mer1002
A mate of mine took his two young lad's to Chelsea last season.......and it cost him £165 for three ticket's !

£55 QUID a ticket with no concessions for Juniors !

He said the atmosphere was very poor,and the number of foreigner's in the ground was amazing !

Also got a text from a mate who was at Old Trafford on Saturday and his text read as follow's

"Never seen as many Chinese Looking people at a football game before"

Strange !!

The greed coming from chelsea is astonishing to say the least.
There season ticket prices are much higher than Man Utd's.

The chinese people at old trafford- we are a worldwide team so we attract fans from all over the globe so its nothing new.

Robbie Loving

08-02-2005, 08:13

Originally posted by ANGELUS
The greed coming from chelsea is astonishing to say the least.
There season ticket prices are much higher than Man Utd's.

chelsea is one of the most expensive places to live in the country,
it is only natural cost of living will be higher down there, and also the ticket prices will be higher too!!]

Originally posted by ANGELUS
ALSO- nice to see the slipup has begun against Man City.
The lead cut to now 9pts isnt it.

ok, lets say the unlikely happens, and chelsea drop 9 more points,
they have a superior goal difference over man utd and would win on that!!

Lickszz

09-02-2005, 23:19

With Robben sidelined for Chelsea, I consider that a major blow. He has certainly made a difference to their attacking play and when he's not been present they have seen to struggle to score heavily.

ANGELUS

10-02-2005, 07:43

And John Terry is out apparently.
Oh deary me.

That would be an almighty shame if they cocked up in the league now wouldnt it!.

LMAO.

Robbie Loving

10-02-2005, 07:49

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And John Terry is out apparently.
Oh deary me.

That would be an almighty shame if they cocked up in the league now wouldnt it!.

LMAO.

john terry is out, just like rio ferdinand is out!!

THINK ABOUT IT

Agent Gypo

10-02-2005, 08:25

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And John Terry is out apparently.
Oh deary me.

That would be an almighty shame if they cocked up in the league now wouldnt it!.

LMAO.

It's not going to happen. Without Robben, Chelsea are still better than Man Utd at the moment. Man Utd are still missing Ferdinand and Van Nistelrooy too, their homegrown players currently coming through aren't great and their best players aren't getting any younger...

Yodameister

10-02-2005, 12:14

So what exactly is it that is wrong with what Chelsea are doing.

So English football is all about money? Well it has been ever since the Premier League was formed, and, Angelus, Manchester United have benefitted from this more than anyone.

Abramovich has seen that although he is one of the richest men in the world, if he can take a football club to become one of the biggest brands in the world then he can have the glory as well as the money to satisfy his ego.

I'd love to see football become less about money and a more even playing field for everyone, but just bear in mind it is all the big clubs that would be opposed to this, not just Chelsea.

Lou

10-02-2005, 12:16

Originally posted by brooksy
personally i always find it amazing how man utd have so many supporters who dont actually go to games . its a well known fact that man city have a far bigger home base support than man utd. granted there net spreads far and wide but whats up with these folk when they cant support there own town or city.
What on earth are you on about?!

The membership scheme for getting tickets for United is s***e. I should know I was in it until a got a League Match Ticket Book. My mate and I used to apply for tickets for every single home game and at most we'd get about 12 games a season. It used to average about 8-9 games. It used to be frustrating for us because we weren't getting tickets as often as we wanted despite applying for every game.

So unless you've actually tried getting tickets for United on a regular basis and are familiar with the bizarre goings-on of how the ticket office allocate their tickets then I don't really think you're in a position to comment on United ticket sales?!

See attendance figures here: http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html. The fact that United can sell 99.5% of their tickets of a 68,174 capacity stadium compared to City selling 93.7% of a 48,000 capacity stadium shows that more fans are supporting United than City. Plus United already have plans in place for increasing the capacity to 76,000. See here (www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=148125&itype=466&icategoryid=119). The day City have a bigger ground than United and sell more tickets then I'll hold my hands up and say that there's more City supporters in Manchester than United supporters.

There are plenty of United fans getting to games and for those who don't, well I know from experience how frustrating the membership scheme is. There's a whole load of fans who'd love to go to the games but they can't get tickets.

Robbie Loving

10-02-2005, 17:51

Originally posted by Lou
What on earth are you on about?!

The membership scheme for getting tickets for United is s***e. I should know I was in it until a got a League Match Ticket Book. My mate and I used to apply for tickets for every single home game and at most we'd get about 12 games a season. It used to average about 8-9 games. It used to be frustrating for us because we weren't getting tickets as often as we wanted despite applying for every game.

So unless you've actually tried getting tickets for United on a regular basis and are familiar with the bizarre goings-on of how the ticket office allocate their tickets then I don't really think you're in a position to comment on United ticket sales?!

See attendance figures here: http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html. The fact that United can sell 99.5% of their tickets of a 68,174 capacity stadium compared to City selling 93.7% of a 48,000 capacity stadium shows that more fans are supporting United than City. Plus United already have plans in place for increasing the capacity to 76,000. See here (www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=148125&itype=466&icategoryid=119). The day City have a bigger ground than United and sell more tickets then I'll hold my hands up and say that there's more City supporters in Manchester than United supporters.

There are plenty of United fans getting to games and for those who don't, well I know from experience how frustrating the membership scheme is. There's a whole load of fans who'd love to go to the games but they can't get tickets.

i think what brooksy was trying to say is..........

yes man utd fill every game!! this is not an issue, its where the fans are coming from, i know loads of people from sheffield who go and watch them!! so im sure there will be plenty from other cities too, towns, surrounding areas of manc and so forth!!

with regards to aplying for every game, if you got to goto 10 games a season....... lets see.....

19 prem games, say 8 champs league games, throw in 5 cup games bringing a grand total of 32!! thats a 3rd of a season!! its not as bad as you think really is it??

ANGELUS

10-02-2005, 20:10

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Agent Gypo
It's not going to happen. Without Robben, Chelsea are still better than Man Utd at the moment. Man Utd are still missing Ferdinand and Van Nistelrooy too, their homegrown players currently coming through aren't great and their best players aren't getting any younger... [/QUOTE

Sorry but I havent heard about Ferdinand being out for a while.. and Ruud will be back this month- he's due to be back against Milan hopefully!

Lou

11-02-2005, 08:13

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
i think what brooksy was trying to say is..........

yes man utd fill every game!! this is not an issue, its where the fans are coming from, i know loads of people from sheffield who go and watch them!! so im sure there will be plenty from other cities too, towns, surrounding areas of manc and so forth!!

with regards to aplying for every game, if you got to goto 10 games a season....... lets see.....

19 prem games, say 8 champs league games, throw in 5 cup games bringing a grand total of 32!! thats a 3rd of a season!! its not as bad as you think really is it??
I wish I could find on-line (so I could post a link) the results of a study I read in a magazine by a Manchester Uni Student who reviewed the postcodes of all the United and City season ticket holders. He found that United had a higher number of season ticket holders with Manchester postcodes than City did. Since I don't know whether these results are on-line I can't post a link. But it's better than me saying "it's a well known fact". Known how? Has brooksy knocked on every door in Manchester and asked every person who they support?!

Besides you think every fan of a football club was born or lives in the city/town of the team they support? A load of my male friends support Liverpool and not one of them was born or lives in Liverpool. I work with a guy who was born in Sheffield and supports Arsenal. He's never lived in London, his parents aren't from London and he's never been to a game. I also work with another guy who was born in Sheffield and supports West Ham. He's never lived in London either or been to a game. Another one of my friends was born in Southampton and supports Chelsea. So it's true that there are plenty of people who support United who aren't from Manchester but they are hardly the only club in England who that applies to.