what a load of trollop.......no wonder kids grow up like they do..no disaplin(sp) all my kids have a good clip at some time and they ve grown up to respect other people and with good manners

Clip round the ear is OK!

Just don't mark them.

"...but they could be charged with common assault if a smack causes bruises, grazes, scratches, minor swellings or cuts"

Originally posted by cgksheff
Clip round the ear is OK!

Just don't mark them.

"...but they could be charged with common assault if a smack causes bruises, grazes, scratches, minor swellings or cuts"
but how long will it be before some little delinquent **** marks him sen to get his dad in trouble

i used to get the belt from me dad when i was a young ,un bring back the cane and slipper at school we will not be able to raise our voices soon at em for fear of gettin in to trouble with the do gooders :P

Originally posted by steevie/d
i used to get the belt from me dad when i was a young ,un bring back the cane and slipper at school we will not be able to raise our voices soon at em for fear of gettin in to trouble with the do gooders :P

correct give em a good beating:thumbsup: they then might learn how to behave

my dad used to give me a stingy smack on the palm of my hand, "hold your hand out" put the fear of god into me and my sisters!

I'm all the better for it, since i got off the medicine.

I agree, the odd clip, punch,slap and kick never hurt me apart from the odd visit to the hospital but apart form that, oh and not being able to form stable adult relationships having had my self-esteem totally trashed but apart from that I'm fine.

and adults can take out the stresses of modern day life on their children, see, everyones a winner.

What about the teachers that use to give us the CANE in front of the whole class, that realy hurt, the more trouble you were in the more wacks they gave you.

Kids have never had any respect since they stopped sending em up chimneys :rolleyes: Bring back whipping for em as well, and while we are on the subject, Ring Worm and Rickets an all. Kids have never had it so good :P

Originally posted by owdlad
Kids have never had any respect since they stopped sending em up chimneys :rolleyes: Bring back whipping for em as well, and while we are on the subject, Ring Worm and Rickets an all. Kids have never had it so good :P


i'm off coz everytime you come online at the weekend you bring the worst out in me and i'm always the one that gets a written warning while you sit laughin......:(

The punishments will probably get a bit more phsycological.

Stand in the corner with a pillow case over the head and loud white noise playing in the back ground, not forgetting stress positions just to get the point across.

When I say no more biscuits I mean no more biscuits.

Originally posted by kirky
i'm off coz everytime you come online at the weekend you bring the worst out in me and i'm always the one that gets a written warning while you sit laughin......:(


I resemble that remark :wow: :wow: :wow:

Originally posted by owdlad
I resemble that remark :wow: :wow: :wow:
you resemble percy sugden imo:D

Originally posted by kirky
you resemble percy sugden imo:D

Don't go off the subject. Kids should be made to work every night after school until at least ten o'clock then they would be too tired to be out half the night nicking and causing trouble.. they dunt know they're born today .

Percy Suggy was a lucky man........Phyliss was some woman :heyhey: :heyhey: :heyhey:

It's more than a bit harsh when a lot of todays parents were brought up with corporal punishment at school. They copped for it at school but are now told it was all so wrong and they aren't allowed to lay a finger on their kids. Madness.

My sister & me used to get a slap across the back of the legs... never did us any harm... As long as you 'slap' (not hit!) them in the right place i dont see a problem... Children have to learn right from wrong...

Never... :rant:
Hit on the head!
Slap the face!
Use the force of a fist!
Kick!

Originally posted by poppins
What about the teachers that use to give us the CANE in front of the whole class, that realy hurt, the more trouble you were in the more wacks they gave you.

I was told that some schools would call people on stage during assembly to cane pupils in front of the entire school, trouble was that if anyone as much as sniggered they got dragged up and caned to.

Heard that from parents and parents friends etc.

My dad clouted me once in all my childhood.
A clip on the ear for pi$$eng around at a bus stop near busy traffic.
My tab hurt for about 2 weeks but I never did it again.
The pain did go though.

He instead used to use psychological torment to 'controll' me.

He would humilliate, belittle, & rubbish things I'd say, in front of friends & family; to the point I nearly gave up speaking.

The effect of this bullying lasted forever & I still have low self esteem as a result.

I hate him for it & haven't spoken to him in 6 years.

He'd have been better clouting me & having done with it.

Do-gooders take notes...:rant:

Well Im sorry but I will continue to clip my kids when they deserve it, even the slightest smack can leave a mark for a while, bigwigs are giving kids too many rights! Fair enough protect the PROPERLY abused kids but dont penalise the good parents. Children are getting out of hand when they know they can get their parents into deep trouble! It never hurt me or my siblings. They slap this on us then let a man who slit his wifes wrists walk free!!!

I'm certain it's not necessary to use psychological torture/humiliation or physical chastisement (b4 you all rush to defend the little gentle finger tap on the back of the hand that we sometimes use with toddlers, i'm not refering to that) to produce sensible well behaved people from children.

Firm and fair, consistent positive reinforcement/reward to acceptable behaviour and consistent negative/unrewarding reaction to unacceptable behaviour. The problem with that method is it takes time and constant vigilence from the parents/adults/teachers/whoever - easier by far to give "just a quick clip" or a mouthful of foul or humiliating language when it all gets too much for them (not teachers i hasten to add)

imo, making physical chastisement of children say up to the age of thirteen (ie when they're about as big as we are) illegal would send a message to everyone that it just isn't acceptable to do these things to people smaller and weaker than ourselves, we'd have the right to intervene if we saw it happening in public especially ... and parents might then have to seek out more effective ways of disclipining their children.

After all, if kirky, if you were to behave in a way that i find unacceptable and annoying, does that give me the right to hit you? I think it's classed as ABH .... so no matter how much i might want to smack you - it's against the law and so i dont ... and would it stop you behaving in unacceptable and annoying ways in the future? I would guess not ...

(haven't found out how to add smilies yet! only just sussed the "quote" out - slower learner me, lol)

i agree with rubydazzler.

and furthermore, imho smacking equates to lazy parenting. parents should not be allowed to take out their own frustrations of not being able to control their children out on the children themselves. doing so teaches the child 2 things: firstly don't get caught and secondly, if they find themself frustrated in their own future, violence will make it go away. do we really want to be teaching our kids this?

Originally posted by kirky
what a load of trollop.......no wonder kids grow up like they do..no disaplin(sp) all my kids have a good clip at some time and they ve grown up to respect other people and with good manners

It's political correctness gone mad!

Originally posted by Miss
It's political correctness gone mad!

It's respect for human beings gone mad!!

I have always found it strange that you hit a animal and leave an injury, you can be sent to prison. If you do the same to a child you are called a good parent... hmm.

Originally posted by Snook
It's respect for human beings gone mad!!

I have always found it strange that you hit a animal and leave an injury, you can be sent to prison. If you do the same to a child you are called a good parent... hmm.


I am sure none of us are saying that hitting a child hard enough to cause injury is right. There is no excuse for that.
What kirky was saying was that a quick slap on the backside or legs keeps most kids in line, I know it did with mine. My youngest once told someone who was asking if her dad hit her "yes but only if I am naughty and I don't like being slapped so I am not naughty" that was good enough for me.

Originally posted by owdlad
I am sure none of us are saying that hitting a child hard enough to cause injury is right. There is no excuse for that.
What kirky was saying was that a quick slap on the backside or legs keeps most kids in line, I know it did with mine. My youngest once told someone who was asking if her dad hit her "yes but only if I am naughty and I don't like being slapped so I am not naughty" that was good enough for me.

Yep, agree, nothing wrong with a quick slap, and nobody will be getting sent down for a quick slap. It's only if it causes some sort of injury, bruising for example.

Ironic that ministers have brought in this law when a lot of them will pay good tax-payers money on a cheap SLAPPER to give them a good smacking down :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

AL E G E D L Y :heyhey:

i wont even give that cheap shot the benefit of a repeat by quoting it Don Kiddick ....

this isn't the boy's locker room somewhere you know ... have a little respect for the other half of humankind ... remember WE'RE reading these postings too ... and try to avoid using denigrating terms on here - ty

Originally posted by owdlad
if her dad hit her "yes but only if I am naughty and I don't like being slapped so I am not naughty" that was good enough for me.

so if i think you're being naughty owdlad, it's ok for me to slap your legs is it ... i'll remember that lol .... don't step out of line at the wedding is all i can say .... :D

Originally posted by rubydazzler
i wont even give that cheap shot the benefit of a repeat by quoting it Don Kiddick ....

this isn't the boy's locker room somewhere you know ... have a little respect for the other half of humankind ... remember WE'RE reading these postings too ... and try to avoid using denigrating terms on here - ty

And here I was living under the belief that this was an open forum where the odd bit of humor was tollerated - nay welcomed ...

<pinches himself>
Yes this is still Britain and free speech is still allowed...just.

And please try to avoid assuming I hold no respect. You don't know me.
ty :thumbsup:

Originally posted by rubydazzler
.... don't step out of line at the wedding is all i can say .... :D
i hope you two will be very happy:)

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
And here I was living under the belief that this was an open forum where the odd bit of humor was tollerated - nay welcomed ...

<:

i do apologise i didn't recognise it as humour is all ...

Originally posted by fnkysknky
It's more than a bit harsh when a lot of todays parents were brought up with corporal punishment at school. They copped for it at school but are now told it was all so wrong and they aren't allowed to lay a finger on their kids. Madness.

the old, it happened to us so it's not fair to change it argument. Not the most rigourous argument i've ever heard, afterall we used to burn people at the stake if they didn't drown when dropped in a pond.

and the "it never did me any harm". What you really mean is that you've turned out alright anyway. Without knowing how you would have turned out without corporal punishment you can't say that it didn't do any harm.
It'd need a twin study, with one smacked and the other not and then some sort of psychological evaluation later in life to evaluate this properly.

My lad, (13) i can take anywhere. He is polite and respectful, why? because he got a skutch when he was younger for being naughty. Plus i told him what it was like when me and Owdlad were young.

We used to get up at 2`o clock in the morning (half an hour before we went to bed).
Eat a hand full of hot gravel.
Work down the mine for 23 hours a day, AND pay our owners for permission to go to work, and when we got home, our dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle IF WE WERE LUCKY. dont know their born kids nowadays.

quite amusing, it was always harder when we were kids.

But seriously, couldn't you have disciplined him without resorting to violence? Maybe he'd be an even better kid now if you had.

But seriously, couldn't you have disciplined him without resorting to violence? Maybe he'd be an even better kid now if you had.

Never used violence, just a little tap, and you are right, stern words and/ or threats to send him to bed early works fine.

Originally posted by Melanie
i agree with rubydazzler.

and furthermore, imho smacking equates to lazy parenting. parents should not be allowed to take out their own frustrations of not being able to control their children out on the children themselves. doing so teaches the child 2 things: firstly don't get caught and secondly, if they find themself frustrated in their own future, violence will make it go away. do we really want to be teaching our kids this?

:confused:
well thats alright then! ..and we'll continue to reward bad behaviour then?..to the extremes of giving them playstations in their borstal like cells when eventually they get put in a YP wing at docaster prison!

theres a thin line of whats right and whats the wrong way of diciplining your children, i for one agree that smacking to the extreme is pointless as it breeds resentment and fear,i find that taking away the things they enjoy like pocket money xbox,computer time etc...works, but you have to draw the line somewhere, when kids are getting stabbed in schools and getting away with crime at a young age it leads them to believe they can get away with murder...literally...

some kids are clever and 'know' how the legal system works, its not down to 'lazy parenting' on diciplining your kids, its 'lazy parenting' when people let their kids run riot and allow them to do what ever they want!:rant:

aunty witch xx

Are we all missing the point on this one. Parenting is without doubt one of the hardest jobs in the world. We all strive to ensure our children are brought up with manners, to be respectful and mindful of others, to be well behaved and turn into decent young adults. Part of which involves them learning from us as adult role models. I ask you all this, what are you actually teaching children when you smack them? I maybe wrong, but i think the only thing a child learns from being smacked is that when one is angry and stressed and have failed to control/deal with a situation in a rational way, it's then ok to give someone a whack in order for them to understand what it is you're trying to teach them or to get the point across. Someone p****s you off in a supermarket cos they are unwilling to help- do you then go n smack em in the face or across the legs just because you're unhappy? Put it another way, would you be pleased if your child hit another child just because he was angry they weren't doing what he told them to- this is how children learn, they copy adult behaviour, particularly in the first 5 years of life. Find some other way of disciplining your children. Smacking should be illegal.

Rewarding good behaviour is not giving a teenager a playstation whilst in custody.

For a start it's way too late to be achieving very much.
Discipline starts at a much younger age, and positive reinforcement for good behaviour (not every time, at random) combined with chastisement of a non physical nature for trangressions is perfectly adequate as a discplinary measure.
Smacking is what someone does when they've lost their temper or can't think of a better way to punish the child.
An ideal punishment would be one that shows the consequences of their behaviour, although that's not always practical or possible.

Originally posted by Cyclone
[B]Rewarding good behaviour is not giving a teenager a playstation whilst in custody.

For a start it's way too late to be achieving very much.


thats whats happening though isnt it?...oh and theres the holidays to butlins and adventure playgrounds and the likes..thats what is happening! its wrong!

Agreed Cyclone. The majority of children these days fail to suffer any consequence as a result of their undesirable behaviour, therfore have no deterrent to behave in an acceptable manner. Smacking is no deterrent it merely breeds violence, anger and ultimately anti social behaviour. Parents who adopt the; "I'm too busy, to spend any length of time putting a workable solution to my childs problem together, so will give em a smack, that'll do the trick.." attitude to child rearing deserve the s**t they get from their children and then some. If more parents took time out to actually read up on child development they may actually learn something about the why's and wherefores of child behaviour and management.

Originally posted by rubydazzler
i do apologise i didn't recognise it as humour is all ...

:snogs:

's'ok :thumbsup: My sense of humor is what got me a wife

(I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that one...)

it has also nearly lost me 2 jobs... :heyhey:

I'm not a prankster but some folk see me as inappropriate

I say :partyhat: :headbang: :bigsmile: :lol: :clap: :hihi: :banana:

Originally posted by viking
My lad, (13) i can take anywhere. He is polite and respectful, why? because he got a skutch when he was younger for being naughty. Plus i told him what it was like when me and Owdlad were young.

We used to get up at 2`o clock in the morning (half an hour before we went to bed).
Eat a hand full of hot gravel.
Work down the mine for 23 hours a day, AND pay our owners for permission to go to work, and when we got home, our dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle IF WE WERE LUCKY. dont know their born kids nowadays.


Hey you! don't count me in among you rich folks, our pebbles were always cold and straight from the river, where we used to wash our clothes. :(

Originally posted by screamingwitch
thats whats happening though isnt it?...oh and theres the holidays to butlins and adventure playgrounds and the likes..thats what is happening! its wrong!

that may be, but it's not what we are talking about.
Start a thread on it if you want to make a point. I'll warn you now that I may well agree with you though.

Originally posted by screamingwitch
thats whats happening though isnt it?...oh and theres the holidays to butlins and adventure playgrounds and the likes..thats what is happening! its wrong!

But if a child has turned out to be trouble after sitting in a room watching TV all day, maybe opening them up to experiences that they have never been lucky enough to have might make them appreciate life and other people a bit more.

Locking kids up and throwing away the key might not really be the answer, who knows? I think rather than sending kids away on holidays after they have committed crimes, it would be better that people who cannot afford to give there children more life experience than a playstaion and playing out on the street in the summer holiday should give contraception more thought.

Anyway, from what I've seen of Butlins, I'm not sure that it ISN'T a punishment!

Originally posted by Snook
But if a child has turned out to be trouble after sitting in a room watching TV all day, maybe opening them up to experiences that they have never been lucky enough to have might make them appreciate life and other people a bit more.

doubt it,i know of someone who bought their son a car to stop him theiving other peoples, in the end he went out and stole bigger and better cars,diciplining them at an early age is the key,niot by smacking but teaching


Locking kids up and throwing away the key might not really be the answer, who knows? I think rather than sending kids away on holidays after they have committed crimes, it would be better that people who cannot afford to give there children more life experience than a playstaion and playing out on the street in the summer holiday should give contraception more thought.

doubt that too, unfortunatly theres a generation whos got away with getting things too easy already who go for having stacks of kids to gain a council house and a monday book plus all the trimmings to consider contraception with the freebies on offer,again lack of dicipline


Anyway, from what I've seen of Butlins, I'm not sure that it ISN'T a punishment!

LOL...youre right:hihi:

i warned my kids 3 times,if they pushed it they got a slap,they have never been in trouble with the police,it was the same way i was brought up,and now the same way my g/children are being brought up.

I think hitting your kids is really wrong. I was hardly ever hit, unless I was really really really naughty, but the smacking didn't help, it just made me act up more.

I think this law is a good law. It will protect those children who are often beaten and abused...

I know in the 50s and 60s, lots of my relatives were beaten with belts and other things, just because it was allowed. It really is disgusting and wrong, if you can't sort and help your child in a more constructive and adult way then you don't deserve to have children.

I can see it now:

Prisoner 1: So what you in here for?

Prisoner 2: Slapped my kid's ass for misbehaving... Now my wife has to raise the kids on her own and they are threatening her that they will turn her in if she so much as looks at them funny. Now the kids stay out all hours of the night and create all sorts of trouble.

Prisoner 1: Don't worry mate, you should all be back together soon. (in prison)

That's stupid. It would have to be very bad smacking I think for you to actually go to prison, and if it was very bad, then it serves them right.

STUPID????

I supose you have full confidence in the legal system? This will NEVER happen?
:gag:

Whilst I think smacking is bad parenting, I don't think this law is of any use at all.
People who abuse children were already breaking the law and it hadn't stopped them. Making another law that they are also breaking won't alter their behaviour in the slightest.

What this has done is focus attention on whether smacking is right or wrong. And criminalise a whole bunch of parents who aren't guilty of anything other than knowing no better.
The typical argument has been trotted out several times in this thread. I was smacked and it didn't do me any harm.

If parents can't be bothered to read a little about modern child psychology or how to improve their parenting then it's a damn shame, but I don't think something they should be jailed for. Slapped themselves maybe, but we know that they won't learn, afterall slapping doesn't work.

Chicago - a degree of cynisism is required in this day and age, but I think you mean "slapped my kids ass way too hard, in public for the 3rd time. This time the judge said community service wasn't enough."

Originally posted by Chicago
STUPID????

I supose you have full confidence in the legal system? This will NEVER happen?
:gag:

just out of interest, did you vote that we should reintroduce capital punishment on that thread?

If a case of parents smacking their kids too hard goes to court and there is a case against the parents, where is the evidence, unless there are eyewitneses there will be none except from the child who has been smacked?

Originally posted by pjb007
If a case of parents smacking their kids too hard goes to court and there is a case against the parents, where is the evidence, unless there are eyewitneses there will be none except from the child who has been smacked?

Noone is ever convicted of anything based solely on witness testimony. That is what is described as one persons word against another.

Obviously there has to be corroborating evidence as in all prosecutions.

I'm not sure this goes the whole way to solve the problems or if it is ideal but I think fundamentally children should have at least the same rights to protection as adults - a tiny slap on the wrist combined with other actions should be plenty - there are ways (and more long term successful ways) of showing dissatisfaction to a child than through violence.

Obviously within reason a lot of things that go on within the privacy of your own home are never going to get you in trouble (eg home tyaping of music is illegal but you will only be prosecuted if you take it to extremes)

Originally posted by Chicago
STUPID????

I supose you have full confidence in the legal system? This will NEVER happen?
:gag:

It wouldn't if people didn't hit their children!

Hitting, punching, kicking, caning, whipping and aggressive spanking are all forms of child abuse and should all fall under the heading of criminal battery. Spanking a child for misbehaving in a controlled manner is not abuse, it is just old-fashioned parenting.

I think that the mental abuse placed on children by some of these so-called “do gooders” who want to tell other people how to keep their children in line is far more frightening.

PS—I’m not in support of capital punishment. Revenge yes-- capital punishment no. Too expensive and too much room for error

PPS—No, I did not vote for Bush. I would have voted for a trained chimp first.

Originally posted by Chicago

PPS—No, I did not vote for Bush. I would have voted for a trained chimp first.

Isn't it pretty much the same thing? :hihi:

Chicago, you are absolutely right, smacking is old fashioned parenting and has no place in a modern society. I've said it before and i'll say it again, find some other way of disciplining your children. Smacking illustrates that the perpetrator has an inability to control their temper faced with an irate toddler. Who's in control here? Children are exactly that- children. Us as adults shouldn't have to resort to raising a hand to show them right from wrong. Smacking shows the parent in a light which says I can't control my child, have run out of reasonable coping mechanisms so must smack!:loopy:

There are smacks and there are smacks. I do not agree with hitting children of a certain age, Or children that have a psychological problem. A child of 2/3 needs stern warnings and a show of concern. Most of what they would do are only detremental to themselves ie. Plugs etc. When they reach the tantrum age of five or so. Then a slap on the back of the hand with a telling off followed by a hug ( not a reward such as sweets etc ). When they reach adolesence there are certain deeds for which they should be punished. For example theft, Bullying others. Criminal offences. etc. But then again. Punishment must be followed by the need to let a child know that you care for them. There are very few children that need to be severely punished, I find that most of these come from desfunctional families anyway. Maybe violence within the home is a norm. Just the other day a kiddie lost his shoe whilst walking. His mother busy gorging a fat sandwich while walking with him. spluttered out " What are you doing you Little f.... Pig. Get that effing shoe on now. I will give you a kicking when I get you home you clumsy Bas......2 This woman was really foul and we see much of this. The child about 3/4. sat on the pavement red faced and crying. Trying to put the shoe on. A woman passer by stopped to help her, The foul woman objected shouting. " Get away from her, she can do it her fuc...ing self" so f off interferring bas....." Well I say no more. It is children that come from families like this one, Where the kids go to school with marks on their bodies etc. These are the reason for these politically correct laws being made.

Referring to "old fashioned" and "modern society" - is "old fashioned" so bad when children were chastised both at school and at home and knew their boundaries - there were few child muggers, thugs, car thieves then. Children learned right from wrong, learned to respect their elders, learned manners. it was unheard of for a child to swear at a teacher let alone attack one.

The attittude of "modern society" is to give them no boundaries, just talk to the little dears - if they go out and mug some little old dear don't chastise them for goodness sake, don't upset the do-gooders - these little brats are just "misunderstood". Let's just carry on rearing little criminals shall we - is this really being kind to them? - I don't think so.

since the abolishment of caning and parental chastisement, we now have youth crime spiralling out of control.

Originally posted by pauline
i warned my kids 3 times,if they pushed it they got a slap,they have never been in trouble with the police,it was the same way i was brought up,and now the same way my g/children are being brought up.

have to say you do exactly what i am doing with my kids. the oldest is five and when he misbehaves/chats back to mum or dad etc etc he gets 2 warnings and on the third he either gets a soft slap on the backside/back of legs or gets told hes grounded (he hates that even tho its not as if he can go out anywhere to get grounded!!!) or gets sent up to bed/his room. never did me any harm either.

my son is a very well behaved young lad who loves his school work and i hope that his baby brother grows up just the same as he is doing.

nothing wrong with a slap every now and then when the 2 warnings have been given.