It seems that Heir to the throne Prince Harry has caused outrage by wearing a Swastika armband at a party.

He has since apologised and said it was a poor choice.

What does everyone think about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4170083.stm

Well, it was a fancy dress party. If it had been anyone else nobody would care at all. It does beg the question... given all the staff that are undoubtedly around Harry all the time, didn't any of them think of telling him it might not be the best Idea.

This just seems like another case of the press stirring things up and trying to get people to cry 'PC!', when infact the people its supposed to have offended don't seem to be all that bothered and have accepted the apology.

I'm one of the least PC people you'll ever get to meet, Snook, but to be frank a Swastika armband is pretty poor choice for a royal to wear even to a Fancy Dress party.

In his position, it's not just the people immediately affected that deserve an apology - because of the fact he is in the Royal Family he is representative of this country. His lifestyle exists because he is in that position, and he needs to grow up a little and start acting the part rather than being a student on a never ending gap-year.

And yes, his advisers should probably be fired for allowing the faux-pas to happen.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I'm one of the least PC people you'll ever get to meet, Snook, but to be frank a Swastika armband is pretty poor choice for a royal to wear even to a Fancy Dress party.

In his position, it's not just the people immediately affected that deserve an apology - because of the fact he is in the Royal Family he is representative of this country. His lifestyle exists because he is in that position, and he needs to grow up a little and start acting the part rather than being a student on a never ending gap-year.

And yes, his advisers should probably be fired for allowing the faux-pas to happen.

Joe

Joe, I agree with you on all your points, However, He is young and I think that that even with his position as prince, He is a real person that, like the rest of us, makes mistakes.

I do not envy the princes being watched, judged and to be hounded by the media 24/7 waiting for a lapse in judgment.

It must be a very frustrating growing up where you can't even go to a public toilet without having your photo splashed on the front page.

Now they are saying that he should not join the Army because of this!......I have met people in the forces that have done a lot worse!

I wish the media would let them grow up without intrusion and let them get on with their lives.

He's apologised - lesson learnt - end of story!

BTW who gives a ****? The royal (note the lower case r) family are not wanted or needed and are a drain on public resources never mind newspaper space that could be used for more pics of half naked totty!

I agree, probably not the wisest move on his part but does it really warrent huge front page newspaper coverage :roll:

Originally posted by coopster1974
He's apologised - lesson learnt - end of story!

BTW who gives a ****? The royal (note the lower case r) family are not wanted or needed and are a drain on public resources never mind newspaper space that could be used for more pics of half naked totty!

The amount of money that the Royal family generates for this country far outweighs what they cost which is around 1 pound a year per person.

Having a Royal Family in unique and brings in millions of tourists for that reason alone!

Originally posted by Delboy3
The amount of money that the Royal family generates for this country far outweighs what they cost which is around 1 pound a year per person.

Having a Royal Family in unique and brings in millions of tourists for that reason alone!

Not that I doubt you but I'd be interested to see some stats.

That pound would go towards a pint which in my eyes is money better spent than on a bunch of inbreeds!

"If it was anyone else, the application wouldn't be considered. It should be withdrawn immediately," said the Labour MP for Newcastle upon Tyne North.

(In response to his application at Sandhurst, that Harry is due to attend)

Why is this?

Why does he deserve better treatment than anyone else?

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I'm one of the least PC people you'll ever get to meet, Snook, but to be frank a Swastika armband is pretty poor choice for a royal to wear even to a Fancy Dress party.
Joe can someone please explain why its a fashion statement to wear a jap rising sun,chinease star or hammer and sickle flag on there t shirt and not a swastiker,stalin and chairman mao tortured and killed millions more than adolf

Originally posted by deadgobby
can someone please explain why its a fashion statement to wear a jap rising sun,chinease star or hammer and sickle flag on there t shirt and not a swastiker,stalin and chairman mao tortured and killed millions more than adolf


Because those symbols are not necessarily associated with those dictators you mention.

Well his family is german originally...! Sorry, sorry, bad taste I know but this does seem a little overblown - it's a fancy dress party for god's sake lighten up!

can someone tell me why no one has actually noticed that it isn't a swastika? It is the wrong way round for starters.

Unless I have my sources wrong the symbol that he is wearing is a norse symbol...hitler had the original drawn the other way round for his emblem.

Moon

It was fancy dress, leave the guy alone, does he have a moral responsibilty to not have a sense of humour.

The tabloids love it no surprise there, not as if he was parading down though Pall Mall with it.

I feel there might be a small case of people being told, or expected to believe.

I dont really have much to say on this other than I think its was such a stupid thing to do. He may be young but is old enough to know better.

Originally posted by youngmcgill
I dont really have much to say on this other than I think its was such a stupid thing to do. He may be young but is old enough to know better.

Old enough to know better? About what? Having fun?? Crikey I've been to a fancy dress party as a gestapo officer and the tabloids didn't come round my house, nor am I a fan of the nazis...

Moon,

I think you're quite right!

However, I don't believe that that was the intention.

As for whether he apologises or not, the whole thing of the Royal Family is symbolism. So if they go around messing with other symbols that might have importance to people then they need to be aware of it.

At the moment there's a lot of attention being paid to the history of the Auschwitz Concentration Camp. It was surely tasteless to display a Swastika at this time for someone in the public eye.

And yes, I'd agree, there are other symbols that are associated with dictators that I also feel are in poor taste to display. However, as was pointed out, they're less whole-heartedly associated with a particular dictator.

If it's a private party then it still indicates poor judgement in a young man who's had a lot of training and experiences to prepare him to be constitutional monarch of this country, and possibly an officer responsible for other people in the forces.

Joe

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Old enough to know better? About what? Having fun?? Crikey I've been to a fancy dress party as a gestapo officer and the tabloids didn't come round my house, nor am I a fan of the nazis...

It was a private fancy dress party, too. It's not as if he pinned the insignia to his suit at an official engagement, for goodness' sake.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Old enough to know better? About what? Having fun?? Crikey I've been to a fancy dress party as a gestapo officer and the tabloids didn't come round my house, nor am I a fan of the nazis...

You may well have done but your not third in line to the throne. Its more about who he is, your a nobody.

Originally posted by youngmcgill
You may well have done but your not third in line to the throne. Its more about who he is, your a nobody.


There's no need for that mcgill. Dan is a somebody, and like you or I he has a right to his opinions without being put down.
I bet he is gutted to all of a sudden find out he is thought of as a nobody. Anyhow I bet his Mam still loves him :)

Originally posted by owdlad
There's no need for that mcgill. Dan is a somebody, and like you or I he has a right to his opinions without being put down.
I bet he is gutted to all of a sudden find out he is though of as a nobody. Anyhow I bet his Mam still loves him :)

Hmmm, can you be sure? :)

Yet another faux-pas by a royal to add to the list, but as has already been said it was stupid to wander about a party in that get up. Surely they can't be that out of touch that they think that wearing a nazi uniform could be even remotely acceptable.

When the royals actually start to act like the ambassadors and assets that people claim they are then maybe I'll revise my opinion of them. Until then, they'll continue to embarrass and leach of this country and we'll have to keep paying for an out dated institution populated by chinless wonders with more teeth than brain cells.

Originally posted by youngmcgill
You may well have done but your not third in line to the throne. Its more about who he is, your a nobody.

At least spell correctly if you're going to insult me, moron. And whether or not he is third in line to the throne it was a fancy dress party. Get it? No? Want me to explain it more slowly?

Originally posted by venger
It was fancy dress, leave the guy alone, does he have a moral responsibilty to not have a sense of humour.

The tabloids love it no surprise there, not as if he was parading down though Pall Mall with it.

I feel there might be a small case of people being told, or expected to believe.

I repeat, perhaps he should have gone as Osama Bin Laden, then he would not have been so easily recognised.

George Bush perhaps, but then I would understand such outcry of a contemporary war criminal.

Good point Venger! Shame that poor *little* boy has run off though, I was starting to enjoy this debate!!

Originally posted by youngmcgill
You may well have done but your not third in line to the throne. Its more about who he is, your a nobody.

i dont think he 'should be third in line' if you look closeley at him.he looks nowt like big ears charlie or his brother, i reckon hes hewitts lad, the image of him i may add...and BTW we all laughed at freddie starr when he did his aaydolf impressions in the past...he aint a 'nobody' hes well known just like harry hehehehee
aunty witch xx

Originally posted by screamingwitch
i dont think he 'should be third in line' if you look closeley at him.he looks nowt like big ears charlie or his brother, i reckon hes hewitts lad, the image of him i may add...and BTW we all laughed at freddie starr when he did his aaydolf impressions in the past...he aint a 'nobody' hes well known just like harry hehehehee
aunty witch xx

Hey up witch, now you mention it the bugga dunt look owt like "tabs" or his brother, and dunt even look much like Diana.......See you in the tower babe :P :P :P

Yeah he's ginger, yeah he's a royal but on this occasion he aint done nothing wrong....does it matter? No? Is he a Nazi sympathiser? No. Was it a swastika? No.
who watched Allo Allo and thought it was funny? Do you think that the BBC should apologise for this show as it was "offensive"? No.

Its just gutter journalism and people are falling for it. Idiots! (the ones who are saying it was wrong)

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I'm one of the least PC people you'll ever get to meet, Snook, but to be frank a Swastika armband is pretty poor choice for a royal to wear even to a Fancy Dress party.

In his position, it's not just the people immediately affected that deserve an apology - because of the fact he is in the Royal Family he is representative of this country. His lifestyle exists because he is in that position, and he needs to grow up a little and start acting the part rather than being a student on a never ending gap-year.

And yes, his advisers should probably be fired for allowing the faux-pas to happen.

Joe

What people would that be then?

Get a life people. The fancy dress costume takes the p*ss out of the Nazi's... it wasn't a sign of solidarity!

I just heard someone say words to this effect on Rony's phone-and it is quite true.

Probably without intent, Harry's actions have brought the wrongs of the Holocaust and the upcoming memorial events to a wider, younger audience than would otherwise have happened.

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4170431.stm

"It is hoped that Harry's much-delayed entry into Sandhurst can go ahead - he is meant to go to the military academy in May.

His advisers hope that this will provide some breathing space for a year or two, during which he will be subject to some discipline and control."

How much "discipline and control" is he going to get working at "Nanans Company" ?

Back on subject, why didn't he just go as a Dart Board, he seems to make a habit of making himself a target for the press !

Prince Harry has offended the jewish lobby (among others), hence the media storm.

Think we should all be a little more concerned about his granny's atire. I mean that head scarf barbour jacket combo which she adorns regularly hardly says Queen now does it?! Says to me tired old granny with no dress sense, masquerading as the queen of England! Personally think they should all go back to wearing grand, elaborate dresses and jewels at all times as their ancestors did. At least then they'd look like royalty. Men in tights and cod pieces! All the queens dressers should be shot!!:P

Although I have always been suspiscious of Harry's actual parentage [james hewitt ;)] this little gaffe leads me to suspect that he may have some of Grandpappy Prince Philip's genes after all.

I have a little web page where prince phil's gaffes are amusingly chronicled here >
http://www.rocknroll.f9.co.uk/advice/princephillipthegreek.html

looking at the direction the wind is blowing, it may be that before long I'll be able to have one for Harry too

The fact that he went to a party themed "colonials and natives" says it all.

Originally posted by JonJParr
The fact that he went to a party themed "colonials and natives" says it all.
Good point, and why as a nazi, I know they tried to take over the world, but I can't remember them ever being refered to as a "colonial power", Britain, France, Turkey, Italy, even Belgium maybe, but not the nazis.

If this rubbish has made the front page in papers then I have to wonder why? I'm sure if there was a poll most people would say they couldn't care less whether he wore a swastika or not. There would probably be some people who have put the royal's on a pedestal who would of found it 'shocking' but not me I honestly couldn't care less and would like the news media to publish 'news' not gossip and basically making a storm in a teacup.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Well his family is german originally...! Sorry, sorry, bad taste I know but this does seem a little overblown - it's a fancy dress party for god's sake lighten up!

Colonials and "NATIVES" ...........

Originally posted by JonJParr
The fact that he went to a party themed "colonials and natives" says it all.

It was a joke Foo_fighter, I think you missed it buddy.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Good point, and why as a nazi, I know they tried to take over the world, but I can't remember them ever being refered to as a "colonial power", Britain, France, Turkey, Italy, even Belgium maybe, but not the nazis.

Originally posted by Tony_BLiar
Yeah he's ginger, yeah he's a royal but on this occasion he aint done nothing wrong....does it matter? No? Is he a Nazi sympathiser? No. Was it a swastika? No.
who watched Allo Allo and thought it was funny? Do you think that the BBC should apologise for this show as it was "offensive"? No.

Its just gutter journalism and people are falling for it. Idiots! (the ones who are saying it was wrong)

I personally dont take any offence from it and im scottish and dont take offence from any scottish jibes or jokes, its just banter and meant in good faith. But you do, however, have to take into consideration there are people who do take their history seriously and its more about who he is rather than what hes done that offends people. Given his family and their history and the history of this country, which is a huge part of his family I dont think its appropriate. Im sure if it was any normal joe public nobody would bat an eye lid.

Originally posted by cgksheff

Probably without intent, Harry's actions have brought the wrongs of the Holocaust and the upcoming memorial events to a wider, younger audience than would otherwise have happened.

I doubt that very much :confused:

I would never consider the Holocaust as the worlds best kept secret.

It was a Private joke anyway.

Originally posted by sham71
Prince Harry has offended the jewish lobby (among others), hence the media storm.

My armpit!

Personally I think this is the stupidist thing in the world... can't people learn to move on...

Sure what the nazi's did was bad, but at the end of the day, theres been wars since man first started walking.., so what?

I think people need to learn to live in the presant and stop worrying about the past, sure the nazi's killed lots of people especially Jews, if they still had problems then the war would still be happening right?

the war isn't here, it ended a LONG time ago, so therefore they should be over it... I've seen plenty of people walking around in army surplus jackets with german flags and such on, and the swasticki... so what?

it really isnt a big deal at all to me, the thing that bothers me most is how much coverage this had got... think about it, its actually the media to blame, if they hadn't publisised this then nobody would have known or been offended...

Harry to blame? NO!
media to blame? YES!

Originally posted by venger
It was a joke Foo_fighter, I think you missed it buddy.
Missed what ?

I wasn't refering to your post, I was refering to the post by JonJParr, about the title of the party, as reported by the BBC.

Please feel free to enlighten me.

Originally posted by venger
It was fancy dress, leave the guy alone, does he have a moral responsibilty to not have a sense of humour.

The tabloids love it no surprise there, not as if he was parading down though Pall Mall with it.

I feel there might be a small case of people being told, or expected to believe. agree with venger 100%,now how many of the pc brigade buy japanese cars,videos,tv,s etc, its just media hype to fill in the pages.

would it have offended the vietnamese if he had worn the stars and stripes? if he had visited a catholic church,would the headlines have read," prince secret inquisition supporter". i doubt it. he,s a young lad,let him be young for a while,it dosen,t last long

Absolutely Depoix:thumbsup: Can't be easy for the young fellow. Living in the shadow of your older brother, knowing you were born as a spare should anything happen to the heir.
I mean, he doesn't have it easy now does he?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
can someone tell me why no one has actually noticed that it isn't a swastika? It is the wrong way round for starters.


been checking this out and it appears the swastika can and has been used either way round for over 3000 years by various different cultures.

So my previous statement is null and void.

Moon

Originally posted by depoix
agree with venger 100%,now how many of the pc brigade buy japanese cars,videos,tv,s etc, its just media hype to fill in the pages.

would it have offended the vietnamese if he had worn the stars and stripes? if he had visited a catholic church,would the headlines have read," prince secret inquisition supporter". i doubt it. he,s a young lad,let him be young for a while,it dosen,t last long

Enough with the lazy "PC brigade" tag!

This was on the front page of The Sun (hardly a bastion of wishy-washy liberal values) and I haven't seen many lefties come out to condemn Harry on here.

Having said all that, I broadly agree with you. The real question is, why would anyone host a "Colonials and Natives" fancy dress party in the first place? It gives a strong indication of the attitudes of the organisers...

Yes, The Sun did blow things out of proportion with their dedicated front page and hyperbolic headline. However, with a position of high status and privilege comes responsibility. I know Prince Harry is still relatively young, but surely he is old enough to act in a more mature and thoughtful manner?

Originally posted by t020
Yes, The Sun did blow things out of proportion with their dedicated front page and hyperbolic headline. However, with a position of high status and privilege comes responsibility. I know Prince Harry is still relatively young, but surely he is old enough to act in a more mature and thoughtful manner?

Some of us have/had grandparents who were able to tell us very real stories of the war. As a child in the '70s, the war was only 30 years before. Do the young people of the '00s feel it's so much history now, that it's almost fiction (the same way we may have felt about WWI)?

And you know what his grandfather is like!!!

I heard the excuse for him that 'he didn't choose to be a prince'. Well he didn't opt out either, and as t020 says, with that comes responsibility.

As for any claims that he is James Hewitt's... well let's be honest, isn't Harry just the new Edward?

Meanwhile the West End goes wild for 'The Producers' in which one review says 'there is something in The Producers to offend everybody.''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3996619.stm

So why aren't all these offended people baying for it to be shut down? 'Springtime for Hitler' anyone?

Go figure.

Nomme

Originally posted by Strix
Some of us have/had grandparents who were able to tell us very real stories of the war. As a child in the '70s, the war was only 30 years before. Do the young people of the '00s feel it's so much history now, that it's almost fiction (the same way we may have felt about WWI)?

And you know what his grandfather is like!!!


As a young person myself, I've heard stories about WW2 and I know what happened to the Jewish people and what seeing that swostika will mean for them, particularly if they're survivors from WW2 and fled persecution. I personally find his costume objectionable rather than amusing in any way, and he should definitely know better.

Prine Harry is going through the typical process of growing up and rebeling against all his peers, even Princes have the right to rebel against there parents.

I think there is going to be more from this rebelious teenager before long, good for him he has been through alot and is just letting off some steam.

Why is the fancy dress hire place permitted to stock such offensive material?

We're always so quick to condemn the public figure in these cases. If it had been a nobody wearing the costume to a public function, but the shop was owned by a 'name', the shop would be in the firing line.

Don't get me wrong - I still think it was a stupid choice of outfit

Originally posted by nomme
Meanwhile the West End goes wild for 'The Producers' in which one review says 'there is something in The Producers to offend everybody.''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3996619.stm

So why aren't all these offended people baying for it to be shut down? 'Springtime for Hitler' anyone?

Go figure.

Nomme
Let's be honest - Mel Brookes (that Jewish film-maker) doesn;t exactly make Hitler look great does he?

Originally posted by nomme
Meanwhile the West End goes wild for 'The Producers' in which one review says 'there is something in The Producers to offend everybody.''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3996619.stm

So why aren't all these offended people baying for it to be shut down? 'Springtime for Hitler' anyone?

Go figure.

Nomme

That's easy.

Prince Harry is well aware of exactly who he is. It's not that he wore the armband (with an Afrika Korps uniform? The Afrika Korps were about the least Nazi of all the german forces - certainly not Active Party members) - where was I? Oh yes, It's not that he wore the armband, but that he was photographed wearing the armband. That picture will now be the "Nazi Prince Picture" and will dog him and his family after his death. Anyone who reads Private Eye will know what I am talking about, Andrew McNeil and his 'filipino companion'!

Of course it offends people, but that's not because he wore it, it's because he appeared on the front page of a national red top wearing it.

If they printed full page colour pics from "the Producers" (great mel brooks film too, if you haven't seen it (although "to be or not to be" is his best 'ridiculing nazism comedy')) - then people would also be offended. And calls for the play to be banned etc.

If people want to dress up as Nazis for a laugh, then they know why others find it verboten and indeed why it is illegal to do so in Germany. If they then allow themselves to be photographed, and happen to be 3rd in line to the throne - well someone has cocked up big time, and not just Harry, as has been pointed out.

Harry will suffer plenty for this extraordinary cock-up, and will continue to do so for years to come.

Where was all the outrage against 'allo allo' which made light of naziism?

I know that some people did find that show offensive, but I don't recall the mass upset that there seems to be over this.

The reason is that the papers know its much easier to get people interested in things when the Royal Family is involved and it can be made into a personality issue rather than have a serious discussion about our attitudes and prejudices.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Prine Harry is going through the typical process of growing up and rebeling against all his peers, even Princes have the right to rebel against there parents.

I think there is going to be more from this rebelious teenager before long, good for him he has been through alot and is just letting off some steam.

A rebel? An unkind person might suggest that he was just trying to honour his aristocratic ancestry, not rebel against it. Harry Saxe-Coburg, Gotha if you call him by the old family name, before it was changed to match the castle,

Originally posted by Yodameister
Where was all the outrage against 'allo allo' which made light of naziism?

I know that some people did find that show offensive, but I don't recall the mass upset that there seems to be over this.

The reason is that the papers know its much easier to get people interested in things when the Royal Family is involved and it can be made into a personality issue rather than have a serious discussion about our attitudes and prejudices.
This issue isn't just about "our" media, having been on some of my other (international) forums I can state now that this has done the image of Britain (not just the royal family) no favours at all.

For that alone Harry needs to apologise, and seriously consider the implications of his future actions.

Seen in this light, "Allo Allo" had no negative impact on the country, many other nations bought the series and "got the joke". Lets face it, this series poked fun at everyone, the downed English airmen, and MI6 spy included.

I still fail to see what "joke" Harry was telling.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
This issue isn't just about "our" media, having been on some of my other (international) forums I can state now that this has done the image of Britain (not just the royal family) no favours at all.

For that alone Harry needs to apologise, and seriously consider the implications of his future actions.

Seen in this light, "Allo Allo" had no negative impact on the country, many other nations bought the series and "got the joke". Lets face it, this series poked fun at everyone, the downed English airmen, and MI6 spy included.

I still fail to see what "joke" Harry was telling.

I think the image that Britain has around the world is as the US's lapdog. I think having an eccentric royal family is a better image than that.

Its my personal hope that Prince Harry renounces his claim to the throne, goes and lives somewhere where the media wont bother him and just says "sod the lot of you" or words to that effect.

Originally posted by Yodameister
Its my personal hope that Prince Harry renounces his claim to the throne, goes and lives somewhere where the media wont bother him and just says "sod the lot of you" or words to that effect.

But he'll be offered his own reality tv show/diary of a prince type thing, and if he refuses, they'll make it anyway!

Freddie star used to make millions laugh dressed as a nazi

But so-called perfect society do-gooders condemn poor prince Harry

Good job he didn’t go dressed to the fancy dress party as a B.N.P. supporter tho'

For he would have been arrested by the bliars special branch and taken to a West Yorkshire court house on some trumped up charge,

then had his
Computer confiscated.

I'm waiting for 'Allo 'Allo repeats to be removed from UK Gold channels on Sky.

The Thought Police are around in numbers.

He never made me laugh dressed as a nazi or not...

Originally posted by evildrneil
He never made me laugh dressed as a nazi or not...
Was he meant to be a comedian then? :|

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BRITAIN HAS AN ESTIMATED 5 MILLION ASYLUM SEEKERS

Estimate by the BNP's rough guess....

Originally posted by jwbeatsonbnp
Freddie star used to make millions laugh dressed as a nazi

Yes, about the same time that Bernard Manning et al used to make people laugh with Paki, ****** and puffter jokes.

Luckily we moved on - well most of us.

Originally posted by IanMitchell
Estimate by the BNP's rough guess....
you should see his website! Sorry about the caps, but he hasn't found the capslock key yet.

THIS GOVERMENT ARE CORRUPT TRAITORS TO THE ENTIRE BRITISH RACE


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just in case anyone needed a laugh.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Well his family is german originally...! Sorry, sorry, bad taste I know but this does seem a little overblown - it's a fancy dress party for god's sake lighten up!


It's an ancient Judao-Christian peace symbol and was used by Boy Scouts until 30s......it has had an array of use over 3000 years

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

The version used by Hilter was actually designed by a dentist.

It's also worth mentioning that the party's theme was Empires and Colonies so it's hard to imagine what you'd wear without causing offence.

Hey whats wrong with my friends site it tells the truth,but getting back on track the muslim names will become more popular and if that is ok by you then fair enough.
But we will do all we can to stop the islamification of this island,and you shoul'd know that.

But getting back on track again what the prince did is what most young men of his age might do and as such we ought to remember that.
For gods sake it was fancy dress.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
you should see his website! Sorry about the caps, but he hasn't found the capslock key yet.


just in case anyone needed a laugh. what,s to laugh about, the bloke,s age and his credentials give him the right to his own opinion,he,s put his share in,which gives him the right,right? or are you going to deny some one who has defended his country,lost family who died defending this country the right to free speech? which after all, thats what britains constitution is alledgedly all about,freedom..now if you have a problem with this maybe you should be some where else,and have you or your family made such a contribution to the well bieng of britain?if you have then there would be need for you to be sarcastic towards a british patriot, now would there?

Originally posted by royjames

But we will do all we can to stop the islamification of this island,and you shoul'd know that.

Why do you always spell should as shoul'd?

Anyway, what Harry did was a bit daft, but does it really warrant 20-odd pages of news coverage? How come people aren't protesting outside the fancy dress shop where he borrowed the costume from? :suspect:

O f course the media coverage of harry is over the top,makes you think that surely there are more important things going on in the world than this .
As for John beatson, I know him and I agree with deopix he is a good man who loves his country and he has the balls to say what he thinks and not only that he puts his head on the block and stands for elected office.
Now when some on here do as he and me have and stood for elected office then they can have a say like us.
Until they have the balls to do it then it's water off a ducks back.

Originally posted by royjames
Now when some on here do as he and me have and stood for elected office then they can have a say like us.

You really have a weird idea about democracy and free speech. :loopy:

Sorry Max but I stood for election along with John and not to put too fine a point on this, but I got many more votes than you.
Stiil theres always next time isn't there?
Back to the thread prince harry has admitted to making a mistake and thats good enough for me.

Just one final point to make I have read that the swastika is actually a symbol of peace in the far east so it means different things to different people.

Originally posted by royjames
Just one final point to make I have read that the swastika is actually a symbol of peace in the far east so it means different things to different people.

Really? where in the far east might that be? I never knew that, please tell us where, its interesting.

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Really? where in the far east might that be? I never knew that, please tell us where, its interesting.

He's right. It's only in the western world that it is taboo due to the Nazi party..
It is in fact a very ancient symbol and used extensively in hinduism and buddhism amongst others.

If you're really interested there is extensive information regarding the history of this symbol here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

(it even includes a reference to Harry!)

Nomme

I think he is, more than anything else, displaying a shocking lack of understanding of what dressing up like that in public reveals about him. It's hard to believe that he isn't aware of the damage done by the Swastika bearers although he is 20 and led a sheltered life.

In my mind, it also comes down to the fact that history teaching is so poor in this country (and probably not just in this country). The history syllabus still follows a '1066 and all that' approach, encouraging pupils to learn dates by rote, or the names of Henry VIII's six wives. Then it mysteriously ends altogether at the end of the 19th century.

We need to make Twentieth Century History the most important part of the history syllabus. As far as I'm concerned, it really does not matter much if people do not know the names of Henry VIII's six wives, or what happened in 1066. It is however very important for people to know what happened in 1939.

Popular ignorance of history is dangerous. For example, I heard once that 20% of US college students thought that Germany was on America's side in the second world war. (And those were college students - never mind the people who don't make it to college). Perhaps that's what Harry thought, as well.

Originally posted by Snook
... If it had been anyone else nobody would care at all. It does beg the question... given all the staff that are undoubtedly around Harry all the time, didn't any of them think of telling him it might not be the best Idea.

I agree. seems like another case of people being treated differently due to their 'position' in life. I hate the Royal Family, but respect Harry for trying to fit in with normal people and not care what anyone else thinks.

I don't think him wearing it was that bad. It was obviously a joke and not an advocation of nazism. People are taking it far too seriously. He's a young lad, out at a private party..I don't see why just because he is in his position it should mean anymore that what it actually did mean - a laugh.

I am serious anti- royal, so by rights I should be wanting to hold him accountable for this 'scandal' but really, it's nothing serious. The press are just running with the story because it makes money..

I can see it would upset some people..but I think he was mocking the nazis. Of course we should never forget the horrors of the holocaust and the damage the nazis did to the world, but we do live in a free world, and if someone wants to dress as a nazi, I really don't think it's a crime.

Originally posted by Tony
Yes, about the same time that Bernard Manning et al used to make people laugh with Paki, ****** and puffter jokes.

Luckily we moved on - well most of us.

Surely that's 'poofter', Tony?

Back to Harry. It could have been far worse. I hear his first choice costume was a Ku Klux Klan outfit!

Apparently all the Klan costumes were already out on hire, though. The BNP were having a cheese and wine party on the same night! :D

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
been checking this out and it appears the swastika can and has been used either way round for over 3000 years by various different cultures.

So my previous statement is null and void.

Moon

It was definitely the right way round. I've only ever seen the Nazi version of the swastika depicted like a letter 'S' with the top facing right.

Graffiti artists always make the mistake of drawing it like a letter 'Z' with the top facing left. Which is incorrect, of course.

Originally posted by mojoworking
It was definitely the right way round. I've only ever seen the Nazi version of the swastika depicted like a letter 'S' with the top facing right.

Graffiti artists always make the mistake of drawing it like a letter 'Z' with the top facing left. Which is incorrect, of course.

It is a photograph in print, do we know which way round the orignal was anyway, not that it matters.

Originally posted by venger
It is a photograph in print, do we know which way round the orignal was anyway, not that it matters.

Unless they accidentally flipped the negative (not very likely as the pic was almost certainly taken with a digital camera) the picture is certainly a correct representation, with the swastika pointing to the right.

Are you thinking of the times when an accidentally flipped negative instantly turned right-handed guitarists into left handers? Those days are long gone in photo journalism

Originally posted by mojoworking
Unless they accidentally flipped the negative (not very likely as the pic was almost certainly taken with a digital camera) the picture is certainly a correct representation, with the swastika pointing to the right.

Are you thinking of the times when an accidentally flipped negative instantly turned right-handed guitarists into left handers? Those days are long gone in photo journalism

Was not thinking of an accident, digital media jumps through hoops if you want it too, you have have a responsibility to question things as a consumer.

That was my simple point. :)

Originally posted by royjames
Just one final point to make I have read that the swastika is actually a symbol of peace in the far east so it means different things to different people.

True, I was going to have a tattoo with a swastika in it (several actually) but me and the tattooist decided it was a bad idea, as people arn't informed enough to know what it means and would jump to conclusions.

Originally posted by nick2
True, I was going to have a tattoo with a swastika in it (several actually) but me and the tattooist decided it was a bad idea, as people arn't informed enough to know what it means and would jump to conclusions.

Have you seen the film `American History X` ?

Originally posted by mojoworking
Unless they accidentally flipped the negative (not very likely as the pic was almost certainly taken with a digital camera) the picture is certainly a correct representation, with the swastika pointing to the right.

Are you thinking of the times when an accidentally flipped negative instantly turned right-handed guitarists into left handers? Those days are long gone in photo journalism

Actually, you'll notice that tabloids which use a large photograph of a person on the front page always have the picture on the right-hand side. This is because we read the headline from the left first, and then look across to the right to see who it refers to. You'll also notice that the subject is always positioned looking towards the centre of the page. This is the theory behind it, anyway.

It's very easy to 'flip' a digital photograph to fit this purpose. Though it's impossible to know for sure whether in this instance the picture was actually 'flipped', I doubt The Sun page editor concerned was too bothered about which way around the swastika was facing.

After all, they did let an arguably more obvious howler through recently when Ozzy Ozbourne appeared wearing a rather rude necklace.

Originally posted by venger
Have you seen the film `American History X` ?

No why ?

Originally posted by nick2
No why ?

Watch it, it is not only a Great movie, it has a couple of above mentioned tattoos in it. ;)

American history X is a wicked film I would reccomend it to anyone, except maybe if you're squeamish! Ed Norton is great.

"The Swastika" is the oldest cross and emblem in the world. It forms a combination of four "L's" standing for Luck, Light, Love and Life. It has been found in ancient Rome, excavations in Grecian cities, on Buddhist idols, on Chinese coins dated 315 B.C., and our own Southwest Indians use it as an amulet.


If the jewish community and left wing child abusers are so upset then why dont the scream at the British National flag.

After all it was flying across the world when we were creating the slave trade, invading countries ect ect.

Originally posted by Narcosis
"The Swastika" is the oldest cross and emblem in the world. It forms a combination of four "L's" standing for Luck, Light, Love and Life. It has been found in ancient Rome, excavations in Grecian cities, on Buddhist idols, on Chinese coins dated 315 B.C., and our own Southwest Indians use it as an amulet.
Since when did ancient Chinese speak English or use the Latin alphabet?

Originally posted by jgharston
Since when did ancient Chinese speak English or use the Latin alphabet?



Look Here and educate your self

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

Originally posted by nomme
He's right. It's only in the western world that it is taboo due to the Nazi party..
It is in fact a very ancient symbol and used extensively in hinduism and buddhism amongst others.
The Buddhist swastika is a right-hand swastika. Hitler deliberately flipped it into a lefthald swasticka when he appropriated it for his own use.

Originally posted by jgharston
The Buddhist swastika is a right-hand swastika. Hitler deliberately flipped it into a lefthald swasticka when he appropriated it for his own use.


Wrong again.

Look here and educate your self...

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html

Originally posted by Narcosis
Wrong again.

Look here and educate your self...

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html
Wrong again yourself, read some history yourself, and try actually looking at a Nazi swastika next to a Buddhist swastika.

Originally posted by Narcosis
Look Here and educate your self

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm
Says nothing about the ancient Chinese using the swastika to represent the latin character L as being the initials of the english words Luck, Light, Life, Love.

Originally posted by jgharston
Wrong again yourself, read some history yourself, and try actually looking at a Nazi swastika next to a Buddhist swastika.



You keep going on about buddhist.

Let me show how WRONg you are.

The swastika emlem of Ganesha, the Hindu god of good luck, is EXACTLY like the Nazi swastika.

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html

So what are you onabout hitler turned it around LOL

jgharston


I seriously hope your not teaching in our schools.

Originally posted by Narcosis
You keep going on about buddhist.
Let me show how WRONg you are.
The swastika emlem of Ganesha, the Hindu god of good luck, is EXACTLY like the Nazi swastika.
http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html
So what are you onabout hitler turned it around LOL
<plonk!>
Wrong again!
The Buddhist swastika is a rotating 'L'.
The Nazi swastika is a rotating 'F'.
See http://members.porchlight.ca/blackdog/swastika.htm

The symbol is pretty much universal throughout the world. It is found in such diverse cultures as:

China
India
Japan
Tibet
Greece
Gnostic
Hittite
Jains
Egypt
Ancient Crete
Ancient Troy (level of excavation unknown)
Scotland (Picts)
Ancient Ireland
Kickapoo Indians
Tennessee and Ohio Indian burial mounds (Hopewell Mound)
Pottawatomie Indians
Hopi Indians
Zuni Indians
Old Norse
Brigantes of Ancient Britain, who used it as a symbol of the goddess Bride.
Plains Indians (who were originally -farmers- until they were pushed into the Plains by neighboring tribes, and then became nomadic)
Central American Maya and Aztec (two -very- different cultures!)
Buddhist (found on the soles of the Buddha's feet, in statuary)
Found in the Catacombs of Rome (see Crux Dissimulata)
Pre-Hejira Arabs
Seen by the author on a quilt pattern (age and pattern name unknown)
A variant with only three arms is used on the Isle of Man, and is known as a "triskeleon." It is usually represented as three -legs- and thus suggests the act of running. This may be a hold-over from its associations with the goddess Bridget (Bride). the symbol of St. Bridget's Cross becomes -much- more interesting at this point, and might be considered a swasticka-variant.
Depicted within a triangle symbolizing the goddess Astarte in some parts of the Ancient Middle East.
The Manichaeans
Ancient Rome, where it was a symbol of Jupiter Tonans and Pluvius
A coin of Ethelred of Northumbria (9th cent. CE)
Embroidered on Christian vestments (8th and 9th cent. CE)
English heraldry: CHAMBERLAYNE (Argent, a chevron between three fylfots gules) circa 1394 CE
German heraldry: VON TALE (Ecartele en equerre de gueules et d'argent) (date unknown) (English blazon: Quarterly per fylfot gules and argent.) "Equerre" refers to the carpenter's square, and may be a clue as to the usage of it by the early Christians, due to Joseph's occupation as a carpenter.
German heraldry: NSDAP (Nazi Party) (Gules, on a roundel argent a fylfot reversed in bend sable) circa 1920-1945 CE. (note: many other combinations of designs were used by the NSDAP, usually combining gules, sable and argent with the swasticka.)
German medieval brasses (usage unknown)
MS Landsdowne, no. 874, circa 1480 CE, uses the name "fylfot" to describe a monogram of the initials "F.F."
Austria (an anti-Semetic emblem used post WW-I)
Estonia (circa WW-I and post-War)
Finland (circa WW-I and WW-II)
Pre-WW II United States Army 45th Division patch

http://www.locksley.com/6696/swastick.htm