Pathways to work....
Anyone been on the course?
was it worth it?
has it changed anythin??

It's a repackaged programme. Essentially it's NDDP, but with an external partner to the Civil Service.

what's NDDT?

I was offered this by the DEA at West St job centre recently.

They can sod right off, it just sounds like a "job club" for disabled people IMO, been there and done that kind of thing years ago and it didn't come to anything.

NDDP is New Deal for Disabled People. Am I right in thinking that with New Deal, most of the people who got jobs got them without any assistance from the DWP, and that its value for money is therefore highly questionable?

NDDP is New Deal for Disabled People. Am I right in thinking that with New Deal, most of the people who got jobs got them without any assistance from the DWP, and that its value for money is therefore highly questionable?

Too right mate, everything about the "New Deal" is highly questionable in my opinion, its sole purpose is to placate the Daily Mail readers into thinking the long term unemployed are making some kind of effort to find work in my opinion.

Its not new deal...:rolleyes:
its a course to help people better understand and manage your long term health condition or disability, its totaly voluntary, it doesent affect any benefits... its to help improve your health and wellbeing!!
Yes it can help to over come the barriers to returning to work but thats not the only goal of the course.... you even get a free 3month heath pass to help with your health... its mainly for help with your day to day wellbeing like, moods,confidence, relaxation, coping with pain and mental health....

new deal...:rolleyes:

If anyone gets the chance to take part on one of these courses you would be a fool to turn it down!
Its for people like us who need that help because of ill health... dont waste a opportunity-to-learn, and improve your own lifes.

Its not new deal...:rolleyes:
its a course to help people better understand and manage your long term health condition or disability, its totaly voluntary, it doesent affect any benefits... its to help improve your health and wellbeing!!
Yes it can help to over come the barriers to returning to work but thats not the only goal of the course.... you even get a free 3month heath pass to help with your health... its mainly for help with your day to day wellbeing like, moods,confidence, relaxation, coping with pain and mental health....

new deal...:rolleyes:

If anyone gets the chance to take part on one of these courses you would be a fool to turn it down!
Its for people like us who need that help because of ill health... dont waste a opportunity-to-learn, and improve your own lifes.

Aren't Condition Management Programme and Pathways to Work separate things? PtW isn't voluntary - if you don't play ball they can cut your Incapacity Benefit. Condition Management Programme should not be compulsory, as it would amount to compulsory medical treatment, very likely to be against the Human Rights Act.

Aren't Condition Management Programme and Pathways to Work separate things? PtW isn't voluntary - if you don't play ball they can cut your Incapacity Benefit. Condition Management Programme should not be compulsory, as it would amount to compulsory medical treatment, very likely to be against the Human Rights Act.Condition Management Programme IS voluntary... Pathways is more "Back to work"... which is also voluntary.... I know im doing both, each are part of the same, but cover separate issues, and separate schemes!
Its not all doom and gloom on Incapacity Benefit... i mean ..come on? if there for free whats to hurt tryin?

The Condition Management Programme is a series of short sessions designed by the NHS to try and help you better understand your health condition/disability and work with you to develop ways you can live with it. It offers a range of programmes, from one to one counselling to physical exercise programmes.
There's all sorts of topics covered by the sessions. Stress/anxiety management, pain management, relaxation techniques, exercise programmes.
IT IS NOT A JOB CLUB.

Condition Management Programme IS voluntary... Pathways is more "Back to work"... which is also voluntary.... I know im doing both, each are part of the same, but cover separate issues, and separate schemes!
Its not all doom and gloom on Incapacity Benefit... i mean ..come on? if there for free whats to hurt tryin?


I have to disagree with you on Pathways - participation in the Pathways pilot scheme was voluntary for some, but compulsory for some as well. Plus, from next year Incapacity Benefit will be replaced by Employment Support Allowance, and Pathways will be compulsory. Sections 11, 12 and 13 of the Welfare Reform Act explain that if people don't take part in work-related health assessments, work-related interviews and work-related activities, they can be docked benefit. People will often have genuine reasons for not attending these (very often linked to mental health problems), which could mean they are docked benefit. Whether they are docked benefit or not will depend entirely on the sympathy and understanding of the Personal Adviser, who will be over-worked, under-trained and under pressure to hit targets. The government has said it would like to contract Pathways out to the voluntary sector, on a "payment by results" basis. This translates as "they'll only get paid for the work they do if they get people off benefits", so there will be financial incentives to pressure people back to work before their health is good enough.

The Condition Management Programme is a series of short sessions designed by the NHS to try and help you better understand your health condition/disability and work with you to develop ways you can live with it. It offers a range of programmes, from one to one counselling to physical exercise programmes.
There's all sorts of topics covered by the sessions. Stress/anxiety management, pain management, relaxation techniques, exercise programmes.
IT IS NOT A JOB CLUB.

But, my little nest of vipers, as you well know from the occasional frontroom chat we have, it's the push towards NDDP. CMP don't take all people on either. For example, people with alcohol or drug problems would have trouble getting on. That's first hand from a DEA.

My worry is that though the NHS may have designed this with good intentions, your current, and my former employer have utterly different designs on it.

That's as maybe my dear, but don't forget that NDDP and CMP are all voluntary...........

For the time being ..........

For the time being ..........


So lets have a proper moan about it if and when it becomes mandatory
Just not during Eastenders, Corrie, Emmerdale, Hollyoaks...................... :)

OR THE VINYL GETS IT.......

If a client is ready to take up work, fantastic, but if they're unsure and want to test the water - couldn't this scheme be used in a negative way by DWP to prove that someone is actually capable of work, which subsequently results in the client being thrown off sickness benefits before they're ready.

One of my closest friends has suffered with mental health problems for some time and she's just been told about this scheme. She's been long term unemployed as a result of her problems and is wanting to get back to full time work, but is scared that this scheme is just a ploy to spy on people to assess their ability to work. Personally, I'm also a little cynical as to it's motives, methods and agendas, although I don't honestly know if I'm being a little over protective.

Aren't Condition Management Programme and Pathways to Work separate things? PtW isn't voluntary - if you don't play ball they can cut your Incapacity Benefit. Condition Management Programme should not be compulsory, as it would amount to compulsory medical treatment, very likely to be against the Human Rights Act.

It is against the human rights for a person to be required to undergo any medical treatment in whatever form if they do not want to receive that treatment.

Therefore a patient can refuse all treatment and the medical team are legally required to oblige regardless of their beliefs, values and medical opining.

why are so many people so negative about trying something THAT is free.. and Voluntary??

Ive done the course... yes its helped with my way of thinking and understanding of how my long term illness affects my feelings and moods & thoughts.... did they push me back to work? No. did they ask me if i wanted to return to work? Yes. Did they the the Job center? No.

I did what i did and what i do now because i wanted to... and by the way im now a fully-qualified bouncer/doorman, Not bad for a bloke who's been considered disabled eh!
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WHAT IS THE CONDITION MANAGEMENT PROGRAMME?
The Condition Management Programme (CMP) is a short programme aimed at helping participants to understand and manage their health condition or disability. The aims of CMP are to support participants to improve their quality of life, regain control and realise their aspirations in order to help them to return to work now, or in the future.

WHO IS THE CONDITION MANAGEMENT PROGRAMME AIMED AT?
The Condition Management Programme has been developed specifically to help jobcentre plus customers who are in receipt of incapacity benefit. The Condition Management Programme gives people the opportunity to talk to health professionals about the issues which are affecting their day to day lives.

WILL DOING OR NOT DOING THE CMP AFFECT BENEFITS?
Participation in the Condition Management Programme is entirely voluntary and whether or not people access the programme will have no effect on their benefit.

WHAT SORT OF ACTIVITIES ARE IN THE PROGRAMME?
Participants can be seen on a one to one or/and group basis.
Examples of the types of help available may be:

Physical health and exercise programmes
Stress and anxiety management
Relaxation techniques
Positive thinking about health and work
Advice and information on lifestyle
Advice on pain management
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"No offence intended.. But...."
I dont use my health issues or disability as an excuse not to try... do you?
With out your health what do we have left?? Quality of life is everything...

:)


if anyone does the course and see's Lizzy... Say hi for me:wave: :love: :hihi:

well said for the above madowl...glad to hear cmp was good for you...i know plenty of people who have gone on it and said similar things about feeling better, having more confidence etc it is voluntary and people can go back to work or not after it. I for one am glad ive gone back to work - it takes my mind off my self and conditions!

I was offered this recently, but as I pointed out, its not a good time atm for me to take anything on. I was told it wasnt to get me back to work. I read the leaflet. It clearly is.

Started Tuesday 4/11/08 At Hillsborough Lesuire Centre 12 Should Have Turned Up Only 9 Did One Left In Space Of 45 Mins I Will Not Be Returning Either So 7 Will Be Left If They Turn Up I Spoke To At Least 4 People And They All Said They Only Turned Up To Keep The Job Centre Of There Backs A Couple Of People In This Class Will Never Work Again Because They Have Such Severe Illness To Me This Programe Is A Waste Of The Tax Payers Money

Started Tuesday 4/11/08 At Hillsborough Lesuire Centre 12 Should Have Turned Up Only 9 Did One Left In Space Of 45 Mins I Will Not Be Returning Either So 7 Will Be Left If They Turn Up I Spoke To At Least 4 People And They All Said They Only Turned Up To Keep The Job Centre Of There Backs A Couple Of People In This Class Will Never Work Again Because They Have Such Severe Illness To Me This Programe Is A Waste Of The Tax Payers Money

Indeed.

As I've said before, the only purpose of these "schemes" is to a) keep the job centre sweet, and b) shut the Daily Mail readers up by making the long term unemployed at least look as though they're making some modicum of effort to accrue a job, even if it does never come to anything meaningful! :rant:

Started Tuesday 4/11/08 At Hillsborough Lesuire Centre 12 Should Have Turned Up Only 9 Did One Left In Space Of 45 Mins I Will Not Be Returning Either So 7 Will Be Left If They Turn Up I Spoke To At Least 4 People And They All Said They Only Turned Up To Keep The Job Centre Of There Backs A Couple Of People In This Class Will Never Work Again Because They Have Such Severe Illness To Me This Programe Is A Waste Of The Tax Payers Money

So how should the government help people to get in to employment then who have long term difficulties?

first of all do not send people who will never work again and concentrate on people who are fit to work but need help to do so staff at the job centre are sending anybody on these courses as i discovered your own gp will tell you when your ready for work i must point out i have worked 28 years self employed 60 to 80 hours a week perhaps that is why i am not working now but after a good rest i will be back

first of all do not send people who will never work again and concentrate on people who are fit to work but need help to do so staff at the job centre are sending anybody on these courses as i discovered your own gp will tell you when your ready for work i must point out i have worked 28 years self employed 60 to 80 hours a week perhaps that is why i am not working now but after a good rest i will be back

No wonder you need a rest!!:thumbsup:

first of all do not send people who will never work again and concentrate on people who are fit to work but need help to do so staff at the job centre are sending anybody on these courses as i discovered your own gp will tell you when your ready for work i must point out i have worked 28 years self employed 60 to 80 hours a week perhaps that is why i am not working now but after a good rest i will be back

I'm interested in the criteria used to establish that people 'will never work again' as I believe thats an individual call in many cases. I also recognise there are differences for people with different disabilities, ie physical, learning, neurological, and mental health.

Looking at the information about the course in Madowl's post (listed again below) I'd have thought that some of the techniques offered would be beneficial to lots of people, rather than doing nothing. Where there are caring responsibilities, of course people should not be forced onto courses, but if there's no reason..... then why not?

Physical health and exercise programmes
Stress and anxiety management
Relaxation techniques
Positive thinking about health and work
Advice and information on lifestyle
Advice on pain management
All quite positive aren't they - and if the course can help people in any way, even if not back into full time work, then isn't it worth a try? Perhaps its not for you clutch, as you appear to be keen to return to work in the future anyway, but a course like this can help others.