Bradfield Road improvements consultation

A new pedestrian central island nr the junction of Bradfield road and Hawksley Avenue

New pedestrian barrier along both sides of Bradfield road between Hillsborough Corner and Hawksley Avenue

Improvements to road markings and traffic signs.

Changes to parking restrictions.

Waiting restriction on carriageway approaching Hills Corner between the roundabout and car park access. Pay and Display between 9:30-6.30. Unrestricted parking at other times.

Parking between 137-145 Bradfield road will be removed, with waiting restriction times introduced. Waiting permitted for taxis between 8pm and 2am.

Evening peak restriction on loading extended to 3-6.30pm… Morning loading restriction retained.

All other waiting restrictions on Bradfield road will remain unchanged.

Work will include repairs to potholes and resurfacing of Bradfield road between Hillsborough Corner and Regents Court. Work to take place in this financial year.

Contact Haydn Vernals on 2736170 or email haydn.vernals@sheffield.gov.uk

Any comments must be in by 8th October.

why do they always stick in pay and display

Trafic carnage for sevral weeks i guess.

Thanks for the info Fox. If it means the two lanes leading up to the lights at the crossroads with Middlewood road really will be two lanes of MOVING traffic - then I'm really pleased. As there is free parking for 2 hours in the car park, why do people park on the roadside anyway? Oh yes, its a few yards nearer the shops! :huh:

The pedestrian barrier is going to be extremely irritating for pedestrians, I'm guessing. Why stop you crossing the road wherever you want to if there's nothing coming?

The pedestrian barrier is going to be extremely irritating for pedestrians, I'm guessing. Why stop you crossing the road wherever you want to if there's nothing coming?

because If I remember correctly there have been 28 RTAs involving pedestrians on that road in the last 5 yrs

because If I remember correctly there have been 28 RTAs involving pedestrians on that road in the last yr

Probably because most of the people wandering around Hillsborough Corner are drunks.

And how many of those have rolled out of the pub and into the road while out of their faces, I wonder?

Presumably making this the main road through Hillsborough Corner, which was I believe the main intention of the tram gate, has led to an increase of traffic on this road. I wonder why the council don't look there for an answer instead of fencing everybody in like cattle.

Probably because most of the people wandering around Hillsborough Corner are drunks.

Beat me to it! :hihi:

A new pedestrian central island nr the junction of Bradfield road and Hawksley Avenue



Presumably this will mean that you won't be able to turn right out of the car park, down towards Penistone Road? So you'll have to go all the way round Malin Bridge or up past Morrisons to get back onto Penistone Road, is that right?

not sure mm, I know as much as you, which is all in my OP

And how many of those have rolled out of the pub and into the road while out of their faces, I wonder?

Before I looked at the accident stats that was my view. The stats do not tell me if the pedestrian was drunk or not, however it is striking that most of the accidents are not in the evening when you might expect more "drunks" around the street... cue debate about daytime drinking in Hillsborough !

Regardless of if the pedestrian was drunk or not, the council still has a duty of care to that person and the driver of the car that hits them !

Presumably this will mean that you won't be able to turn right out of the car park, down towards Penistone Road? So you'll have to go all the way round Malin Bridge or up past Morrisons to get back onto Penistone Road, is that right?

The central island is on the Hillsborough Corner side of Hawksley Avenue, no turns are to be restricted.

good point H, I didn't miss out any of the details did I?

because If I remember correctly there have been 28 RTAs involving pedestrians on that road in the last yr

It is 28 pedestrian accidents over a five year period - which might not sound a lot, but for the short length it is very high.

good point H, I didn't miss out any of the details did I?

Don't worry, thanks for the OP, I was beginning to think the street notices had blown away with the lack of comments I've had about it !

It is 28 pedestrian accidents over a five year period - which might not sound a lot, but for the short length it is very high.

yes still alot.

Quick question, are there any plans to extend the pay and display restrictions to other parts of Hillsborough, I met with Kevan Butts last week and he intimated P&D was being considered but I'm curious if this scheme on Bradfield is the only one.

It is 28 pedestrian accidents over a five year period - which might not sound a lot, but for the short length it is very high.

So are there any common features to many of these accidents - like for example did any of them involve cars illegally turning left from Middlewood Road onto Bradfield Road? And how many of them took place on match days might be another important consideration.

I just don't like the idea of fencing everybody in. I take it the crossings that are there at the moment (on Hillsborough corner and the Pelican outside Wilkinsons) will stay - but even so I just don't see the need for it. People are adults (mainly) and surely they can be trusted to cross the road.

yes still alot.

Quick question, are there any plans to extend the pay and display restrictions to other parts of Hillsborough, I met with Kevan Butts last week and he intimated P&D was being considered but I'm curious if this scheme on Bradfield is the only one.

I'm not aware of any specific plans, but I understand that the council would like to extend the P&D to areas such as this.

My own view is that P&D is great for shopping areas like this, it leaves the spaces outside the shops free for use by passing trade, potentially increasing turnover, although some might suggest that if the price is too high, it might drive shoppers away...

I think alot of the residential streets surrounding the shops are used for long stay parking for those working in the borough or catching the tram to the city centre.

More information about parking availability in Morrisons should be publicised to decrease the number of all day parking in Hillsborough, this might also stop those who flought current regs and park on single yellows, and block access to the loading bays.

So are there any common features to many of these accidents - like for example did any of them involve cars illegally turning left from Middlewood Road onto Bradfield Road? And how many of them took place on match days might be another important consideration.

I don't have the figures with me right now, I'm actually at home and it's my day off ;¬) The accidents referred to in this scheme are just on Bradfield road and do not include the ones at Hillsborough Corner, which will be looked at as a further scheme to reduce accidents...

I just don't like the idea of fencing everybody in. I take it the crossings that are there at the moment (on Hillsborough corner and the Pelican outside Wilkinsons) will stay - but even so I just don't see the need for it. People are adults (mainly) and surely they can be trusted to cross the road.

Neither do I, and yes, you would think that people could be trusted to cross the road using the provided crossing facilities, however they don't. You only need to stand for a short while to see people crossing diagonally, especially from the Shopping Precinct towards the Tramstop, the last 2/3rds of their crossing is with their back to traffic...

The existing crossings will remain and will get a coloured strip to give a visual cue to where it is "safer" to cross. One significant trend was pedestrians popping out from behind cars stationary at the lights in the right lane approaching the Corner, the best road safety way to deal with this would be to put traffic into a single lane, however, thats not the best traffic solution - always a compromise to be made somewhere...

The trouble with accident statistics is that you never quite get the full details, you get things like time of day, direction of travel and weather conditions, so you can make certain assumptions about if a low sun was blinding the driver, if it was twilight, or perhaps if a wet road surface was reflecting the sun... you can also make assumptions about many many things, but the actual statistical data won't get you a feel for what the casualty was thinking at the time of the accident - did they do it on purpose, were they upset about a partner, were they excited about just being offered a job...

The next part is perhaps more difficult, how do you reduce the risk of similar accidents occuring again - no accident is alike, but some have distinct trends - perhaps all the pedestrians are crossing a particular way, or perhaps all the accidents involve a certain age group... if only it was that simple ! :¬)

The central island is on the Hillsborough Corner side of Hawksley Avenue, no turns are to be restricted.
I've often wondered if a box junction or "keep clear" markings, like those recently put onto Brooke Hill roundabout would work at the entrance to the car park. Would it improve traffic flow both ways, or clog it up completely?

Thanks for the info Fox. If it means the two lanes leading up to the lights at the crossroads with Middlewood road really will be two lanes of MOVING traffic - then I'm really pleased. As there is free parking for 2 hours in the car park, why do people park on the roadside anyway? Oh yes, its a few yards nearer the shops! :huh:

I was once driving down the inside lane in rush hour when the car in front stopped, the driver got out and walked into Iceland or whatever it is!! I tooted and mouthed - "you can't park there". I was rewarded with a rude gesture and him mouthing something like "fork queue" :|

I was then trapped behind him as were the cars behind me. Some people are so considerate :rolleyes:

because If I remember correctly there have been 28 RTAs involving pedestrians on that road in the last yr

this is the problem you see going back to the wisewood/merger they wanted WPV,MARCLIFFE wisewood kids to catch a bus to hillsborough then catch anouther bus across from hillsborough corner!! to stannington , i and many others have said this is not safe for kids etc and even walking down to malin bridge is not safe! ie AIR pollution is above average (as stated by alf meade) the reply we got is no road improvements would be made etc
(ran out of money we was told) so WHERE have the council got this money from , and wot more improvements will be made for malin bridge??

No doubt that might make the parking on Hawksley Avenue alot worse :mad:. I have lived on there for about 7 years and was "hoping" that they might have at least introduced Residents Only Parking?, but no!.

It does my head in when I go out and come back to find that I can't park because people park there cars for Work/Shopping/Football & Pubs... For some reason its got worse over the last 2/3 years!.

The new restrictions would at least make Bradfield Road run alot quicker (hopefully)...

So are there any common features to many of these accidents - like for example did any of them involve cars illegally turning left from Middlewood Road onto Bradfield Road?
I'd be very surprised if this hadn't been the cause of a number of accidents - I've had several near misses from morons making exactly the illegal manouvre you describe.

I'd be very surprised if this hadn't been the cause of a number of accidents

And how many have been caused by pedestrians not using the designated crossing points correctly/at all?

And how many have been caused by pedestrians not using the designated crossing points correctly/at all?
Possibly but left turners are turning into pedestrians who are crossing in a designated place and crossing on the green man and should not have to worry about illegal driving by idiots.They (drivers) should also be receiving a fine in the post for coming through the tram gates.

Why are the council doing this to Hillsborough. How many shops are empty in Hillsborough already and what kind of shops have we left. So many quality retailers have closed or moved elsewhere. Why are we treat like this the people who live in Hillsborough. This is a community slowly being choked with restrictions, delays, fines for accessing our homes fairly and reasonably, having to put up with litter and spew from the people who come drinking down here without getting extra policing and street force services. All these restrictions will be the death of Hillsborough. Take a look a Rotherham town centre as an example of restricting access.

Why are the council doing this to Hillsborough. How many shops are empty in Hillsborough already and what kind of shops have we left. So many quality retailers have closed or moved elsewhere. Why are we treat like this the people who live in Hillsborough. This is a community slowly being choked with restrictions, delays, fines for accessing our homes fairly and reasonably, having to put up with litter and spew from the people who come drinking down here without getting extra policing and street force services. All these restrictions will be the death of Hillsborough. Take a look a Rotherham town centre as an example of restricting access.

The council are doing this quite simply because (as I think I may have posted elsewhere :wink:) they have no foresight, imagination, expertise nor respect for the city and boroughs they are (supposed to be) serving.

With just a tad of the above qualities, Hillsborough could and should, be a thriving community, a location and destination of quality. :rant:

So are there any common features to many of these accidents - like for example did any of them involve cars illegally turning left from Middlewood Road onto Bradfield Road? And how many of them took place on match days might be another important consideration.

I just don't like the idea of fencing everybody in. I take it the crossings that are there at the moment (on Hillsborough corner and the Pelican outside Wilkinsons) will stay - but even so I just don't see the need for it. People are adults (mainly) and surely they can be trusted to cross the road.

You would like to think that people crossing the roads in Hillsborough are adults and could be trusted to use crossing so as not to get themselves injured or killed but having gone shopping round Hillsborough for years and driving round you would be amazed how many lazy assed people we have in our fare city that would rather dice with death than walk the extra 10 yards to the crossing or wait for the green man!

I am all for improving the traffic on Bradfield Road but still not sure about the current plans I take it there will be parking which will be p&d. I would stop parking completely on Bradfield Road as it is the only route really into town from (Hillsborough, Loxley, Wisewood, etc.

The council are doing this quite simply because (as I think I may have posted elsewhere :wink:) they have no foresight, imagination, expertise nor respect for the city and boroughs they are (supposed to be) serving.

With just a tad of the above qualities, Hillsborough could and should, be a thriving community, a location and destination of quality. :rant:

What would you like to see in Hillsborough. I would agree that a lot of shops have closed recently but at what cost. I never go into town or meadow hall unless I can help it and do most of my shopping in Hillsborough.

I couldn’t honestly say what it is missing other than a decent men’s cloths shops - a fancy deli would go down like a lead balloon and we already have about 7 cafes which now we have no smoking services everyone’s needs.

As for parking you can normally always get parked in the car park off Procter Place and the Coop admittedly you need to spend a £5 in the Coop (I feel this should be enforced at all times). The current pay and display is 40p per hour which isn’t expensive so as long as it is minimal I don’t mind.

Like I say what would you like to see - exclusive cloths shops have tried in borough but from my opinion it’s nothing to do with traffic or the area there just isn’t the demand for it like say on Ecclesall Road.

What would you like to see in Hillsborough. I would agree that a lot of shops have closed recently but at what cost. I never go into town or meadow hall unless I can help it and do most of my shopping in Hillsborough.

I couldn’t honestly say what it is missing other than a decent men’s cloths shops - a fancy deli would go down like a lead balloon and we already have about 7 cafes which now we have no smoking services everyone’s needs.

As for parking you can normally always get parked in the car park off Procter Place and the Coop admittedly you need to spend a £5 in the Coop (I feel this should be enforced at all times). The current pay and display is 40p per hour which isn’t expensive so as long as it is minimal I don’t mind.

Like I say what would you like to see - exclusive cloths shops have tried in borough but from my opinion it’s nothing to do with traffic or the area there just isn’t the demand for it like say on Ecclesall Road.

With regards to parking lets not forget the huge amount of free parking in the top level of Morrisons car park.

I don't think people actually look at how much we do have in Hillsborough.

Clothing: Whisper for women, Dorothy Perkins, Select, Peacocks,the gents clothing shop near the transport interchange for designer labels, Burtons in the co-op. Then theres cute kidz for small people. JJs for shoes plus the shoe shop in the co-op.

Woolworths sell school clothes and all manner of things we might need, tramlines also do school clothes for children and if they don't have it they will order it in for you.

What else do we have: The co-op, Home bargains, Wilkinsons, Dunelm Mills, Morrisons, Fultons and Farmfoods. Plus all the small independants selling quality local produce like Pearson & Sons the butchers and our fishmonger Manns and the independent greengrocers.

You can buy a latte in the mornings, a subway for lunch, have a good quality value meal and a drink in Wetherspoons and even pick up a DVD on the way home with a bottle of wine you picked up from the off license.

There is so much going for Hillsborough if people only stopped and looked properly.

Why are the council doing this to Hillsborough.

The works are being done to improve road safety, in particular for pedestrians - 28 of which have been involved in accidents in the last 5yrs

How many shops are empty in Hillsborough already and what kind of shops have we left. So many quality retailers have closed or moved elsewhere. Why are we treat like this the people who live in Hillsborough.

As fox20thc points out, there is a lot going for Hillsborough, I'm not a local, but was amazed when I've been up their at how busy the place was during the day. I'm of a mind that some serious investment in tidying the area up is needed, however, my remit and importantly funding is to address the accident issues. European money is still floating around, go do some digging on the internet, then pester your local councillor to do the serious desk thumping to get the right people looking at it !

This is a community slowly being choked with restrictions, delays, fines for accessing our homes fairly and reasonably,

The parking restrictions that are currently proposed between Hawksley Avenue and the Roundabout will allow unrestricted parking through 18:30 - 09:30 and paid parking through 09:30 - 18:30, the net overall availability of parking for shoppers will increase ! How can this be seen as a negative issue ?????

The removal of the parking outside 137-145 Bradfield Road is proposed to help improve the traffic flow approaching Hillsborough Corner. Thats going to help you get home quicker....

having to put up with litter and spew from the people who come drinking down here without getting extra policing and street force services.

Anti-social behaviour... I agree that it's unacceptable - call streetforce to complain about the litter and you could start a temperence scheme in Hillsborough if you feel that strong about the vomitting due to excess alcohol ! :hihi:

All these restrictions will be the death of Hillsborough. Take a look a Rotherham town centre as an example of restricting access.

People have been predicting the death of Hillsborough since Penistone Road was first built in the 1960's ! Lets get some perspective here... we are putting a few barriers up, resurfacing the road, adding a crossing island and changing a few parking restrictions....

What would you like to see in Hillsborough. I would agree that a lot of shops have closed recently but at what cost. I never go into town or meadow hall unless I can help it and do most of my shopping in Hillsborough.

I couldn’t honestly say what it is missing other than a decent men’s cloths shops - a fancy deli would go down like a lead balloon and we already have about 7 cafes which now we have no smoking services everyone’s needs.

As for parking you can normally always get parked in the car park off Procter Place and the Coop admittedly you need to spend a £5 in the Coop (I feel this should be enforced at all times). The current pay and display is 40p per hour which isn’t expensive so as long as it is minimal I don’t mind.

Like I say what would you like to see - exclusive cloths shops have tried in borough but from my opinion it’s nothing to do with traffic or the area there just isn’t the demand for it like say on Ecclesall Road.

To be honest, I think it's more of a case of what I'd rather not see, and threads elsewhere would seem to support this.
I'd rather not see every other shop as an estate agency, tanning shop, I'd rather not see the usual chain stores and I'd rather not be accosted by young folk in suits asking me if I've had an accident recently or makeshift paste tables displaying tat for every non occasion.
I'd like to see more local, independent businesses/shops which would both benefit the local community and economy by attracting people from outside the area as well as locals. Something different.

Soul: If there was money to be made from haivng 'something different' it'd be there!

Soul: If there was money to be made from haivng 'something different' it'd be there!

Maybe you're right, I'm just sick and tired of big business putting smaller ones out of business. It seems that not only are we content as a society to have all our city centres looking the same, we seem to put up with it in our smaller towns too, and our council in their arrogance seem to perpetuate this. It's more about making money than providing quality. :help:

Haydn, after chatting with a colleague about the proposals. We are concerned about enforcing current restrictions on Hawksley Avenue. With the loss of parking spaces on Bradfield road (which we all agree with) it may force lazy parkers to use Hawksley as an alternative - irrespective of the fact that there are currently restrictions in place. Will planning include better signage of these restrictions and enforcement if they are flouted. Hillsborough Precinct already have problems with drivers blocking access to the deliveries yard as it is. Large wagons getting blocked in etc.

Why can't we have the top end of Hawksley Avenue opened up to (one-way) traffic again like it used to be? That would give people an extra escape route from the tramgate down to Penistone road and would especially useful for the roads opposite the park.

The new Pay and Display....sorry for appearing thick, but is that going to be for the carpark behind Farmfoods? Do you know when it will be introduced at all please :)

The new Pay and Display....sorry for appearing thick, but is that going to be for the carpark behind Farmfoods? Do you know when it will be introduced at all please :)

It is for street parking next to the carpark.

We are concerned about enforcing current restrictions on Hawksley Avenue. With the loss of parking spaces on Bradfield road (which we all agree with) it may force lazy parkers to use Hawksley as an alternative - irrespective of the fact that there are currently restrictions in place.

Can you contact me directly so that I can arrange a meeting with you on site to discuss the specific details - either on 0114 273 6170 or by e-mail haydn.vernals@sheffield.gov.uk

It is for street parking next to the carpark.


ah, so Farmfoods one is staying free then?

Once you have to pay to park on the road, what's the betting the car park will mysteriously become pay and display as well?

Haydn, after chatting with a colleague about the proposals. We are concerned about enforcing current restrictions on Hawksley Avenue. With the loss of parking spaces on Bradfield road (which we all agree with) it may force lazy parkers to use Hawksley as an alternative - irrespective of the fact that there are currently restrictions in place. Will planning include better signage of these restrictions and enforcement if they are flouted. Hillsborough Precinct already have problems with drivers blocking access to the deliveries yard as it is. Large wagons getting blocked in etc.

Don't want to start a separate debate hear but some of the bad parking in Hillsborough is from down right morons who wouldn’t give a flying ferk where they park and disabled drivers who think the badge allows them to park dangerously. (anywhere on Bradfield Rd, Procter Place on the corner of Taplin Road etc).

I agree that local residents need to look after themselves and make sure they have appropriate parking which has always been a problem on most streets throughout Hillsborough.

The council are getting greedy again and have come up with another fine way to kill off a thriving shopping centre.

Don't want to start a separate debate hear but some of the bad parking in Hillsborough is from down right morons who wouldn’t give a flying ferk where they park and disabled drivers who think the badge allows them to park dangerously. (anywhere on Bradfield Rd, Procter Place on the corner of Taplin Road etc).

I agree that local residents need to look after themselves and make sure they have appropriate parking which has always been a problem on most streets throughout Hillsborough.

I agree and I don't see it as a separate debate as any issue about the roads in the area is okay so long as we don't turn this into a tramgate debate. :roll:

I have been working closely with SCC parking services to look into the illegal parking taking place on both Hawksley and Proctor place and the blue badge parkers can sometimes be a big problem, however as the law stands they have the right to park where they like therefore there isn't much we can do about them.

Lets just say this is a work in progress and those who choose to flout the enforced areas will be getting irate when they find a ticket on the car.

The council are getting greedy again and have come up with another fine way to kill off a thriving shopping centre.

Actually GW this could be a benefit to the shopping area as parking will be short stay and useful to shoppers, as opposed the the hoards who choose to leave their cars in Hillsborough and its surrounding residential areas using it as an unofficial park and ride facility. There is plenty of free parking in Hillsborough if people are willing to use their legs to get to the shops (such as Morrisons carpark) Limbrick and those in the Co-op and above the precinct.

What evidence do you have that hordes of people use Hillsborough as a park and ride facility? I can't say I've ever seen any sign of it, but maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places.

What evidence do you have that hordes of people use Hillsborough as a park and ride facility? I can't say I've ever seen any sign of it, but maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places.

Look at Walkley lane in the week, bumper to bumper cars which are not there at the weekend. Lots of cars arrive in places such as Hawksley early morning and are there all day, so the person parking them either works locally or is tramming to town. Plus there is the lack of parking in hillsborough college to bear in mind. I have chatted to residents who have seen commuters park up and walk off to not return until early evening.

But they could just be working in Hillsborough rather than going into town, like the ones at the college are. And in my experience Walkley Lane is always packed with cars whether at the weekend or not.

Look at Walkley lane in the week, bumper to bumper cars which are not there at the weekend. Lots of cars arrive in places such as Hawksley early morning and are there all day, so the person parking them either works locally or is tramming to town. Plus there is the lack of parking in hillsborough college to bear in mind. I have chatted to residents who have seen commuters park up and walk off to not return until early evening.

There's loads of space in the car park on Parkside Rd (the one usd by Wednesday for home matches). I'd have thought that would be ok for lots of the students, but its pretty empty a lot of the time. I agree about Walkley Lane being used as free park and ride, and the same happens with the free car park at the top of Hawksley Ave.

Why can't we have the top end of Hawksley Avenue opened up to (one-way) traffic again like it used to be? That would give people an extra escape route from the tramgate down to Penistone road and would especially useful for the roads opposite the park.
I imagine the residents of Hawksley Ave would be very much against it. Although, these are the probably the same folk who seem to sit at the end of their road for what must be hours a week waiting to turn right, rather than turning left and circling round the roundabout 50 metres away :loopy:

Why can't we have the top end of Hawksley Avenue opened up to (one-way) traffic again like it used to be? That would give people an extra escape route from the tramgate down to Penistone road and would especially useful for the roads opposite the park.

why did hawksley avenue close anyway i thought that was a bit stupid,

why did hawksley avenue close anyway i thought that was a bit stupid,

I think it was residents petition as it had become a 'rat run' and probably a councillor lived on there