In 1871, where would the Park, Sheffield have been? I've an idea it's in the Attercliffe area. My g-g-grandparents lived at The Park, Sheffield, 70 High Street. Any clues?

this claims to be taken in the park area (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=8151) and refers to norfolk park.

and some history (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=6500)

more (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=5354)
more (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=9060)
more (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=8969)
more (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=8657)

another (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=6352)

Is this the 'High Street' that leads off the Park Square roundabout? (only noticed the PARK in there after I typed it :roll: )

south st (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=6346)

woolhouse (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=5699)

high st lane (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=5383)

again (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=5382)

pond st towards park district (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=5083)

duke st (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=4829)
city goods station (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=426)
broad st (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=423)
flats (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=422)
another claim to fame? (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=3737)
south st (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=1344)
boot repairs (http://www.picturesheffield.co.uk/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=5862)

It's only a guess but was The Park the name of a public house on High St.

There was The Old Blue Bell, was it The Park in 1871.

Just an idea, maybe someone else could check out the old pub names.

Happy Days

Originally posted by PopT
It's only a guess but was The Park the name of a public house on High St.

There was The Old Blue Bell, was it The Park in 1871.

Just an idea, maybe someone else could check out the old pub names.

Happy Days :cool: It was the Old Blue Bell in 1876.

The Park was the area of Sheffield running from the bottom of Duke street up towards City Road, and ended at about the top of Fitzwalter Road.

Much of the old terraced housing was knocked down in the '60's to make way for Park Hill Flats, but I remember using Park Swimming baths in the late '60s and '70's.


Tazz

Anyone know how Grafton Street in the Park area got it's name?

I have a friend (he's 82 now!) who lived in the Park area as a child, and Grafton is his surname. I always wondered if this new street was built in memory of his family. (He can't remember much these days, bless him!)

K x

The Park, in its original Medieval sense, was a large area, larger than the town of Sheffield itself, which was reserved for the personal use of the Lords of the Manor (the Earls of Shrewsbury and later the Dukes of Norfolk). It was separate from the 6 original Townships of Sheffield (Attercliffe cum Darnall, Brightside Bierlow, Ecclesall Bierlow, Nether Hallam, Upper Hallam and the central Sheffield Township). Of course the Lords of the Manor owned large parts of the Townships as well!

As the town expanded, that 'pesonal use' would increasingly mean allowing building, beginning with the big fashionable houses that used to look down on the town from the slopes (some like Queen's Tower still exist), and then 'filling-in' as the Park was built-up like the rest of the city.

If you look at this page (http://www.gleadless.net/index.htm) and find the 1832 map (drop-down menu 'maps' ) the 'blank' area to the southeast (counted as part of Sheffield Township by the 19th century) is The Park.

HughW

I vaguely remember a High Street or High Street Lane , on maps of around 1950 , shown at the Broad Lane end of The Park district.
Maybe round about the year in question , there were houses on High Street Lane and this has been mistakenly transposed into High Street.
Just checked a map from about 1980 and High Street Lane is on there----a tiny street , running off the bottom end of Bard Street.

What's a bit confusing is that Glaham , gives the address as "The Park......etc..." , which does make it sound like a house name on the High Street in town-----whereas if you said "They lived in the Park area : on a street called High Street " it would alter the whole meaning of it. Where's Sherlock Holmes ?

"Where's Sherlock Holmes ?" .....here :D

At some time High St. in the Park district was renamed to Bard St. [probably to avoid confusion with the High St. in town].

It used to run from Broad St to Bernard St. The lower end of Bard St. is still there, but the upper end now seems to be called Blackwell Close, but I imagine all the old properties will have been demolished years ago.

Also still shown on a modern map is High Street Lane which connected High St. [later Bard St.] with Duke St. and South St.

Greybeard---thank you.
I never knew that Bard Street was once called High Street and that explains , too , how "High St. Lane " got its name.
However , it's still a bit of a puzzle about whether Glaham meant "Park ", the area or the name of a house.
Magnifying glasses at the ready !
Dr. Watson

Well my dear Watson, I'm assuming that Glaham is trying to trace his family history and the details he has are taken from the 1871 census. The qualification of an address in 'High St.' with 'The Park' indicates to me that it is an endorsement by the enumerator to distinguish this address from the High St. in town.

I could check this assumption against a street directory of the period, or even the 1871 census index, but unfortunately the Local Studies Library is closed for three weeks for refurbishment.

Let's hope our Glanham returns to enlighten us with the fuller details.

Holmes

Greybeard
I must say I am a little disappointed. Surely , if you're the real Sherlock , or some kind of re-incarnation , you would have found a way into the library , closed or not.
Rumour had it , amongst the ragamuffins of Norfolf Street that in days of yore , there was a secret passage from behind the juke box in the Brown Bear into the Art Gallery.
I have ordered a Hansom Cab , so on with the cloaks and off we go to solve the mystery of the Two High Streets and The Case of the City Council that Went Mad.

The depth of the conspiracy is, perhaps not clear to you, Lastrade. There were in truth, three High Streets !

As the estimable Mrs Hudson might inform you, there was in the north of the town High St Attercliffe, a busy throughfare where she was accustomed to foray to buy spiced sausage from the skilled German pork butchers of that quarter.

Alas, the fiendish criminal mind at the heart of the town hall changed many a street's true name in the 1870's and 1880's and High St Att became part of that great highway, Attercliffe Road.

HughW

blue ball pub was on left side of broad street,now gone,old harrow pub on right side just above granellis ice cream,duram ox pub was at top,there was a chippy too,and frank cobbs cutlery firm,next to granellis was shukers garage and the sampson pub,i can also remember the plough inn and the newmarket;)

Pauline mentions a Schukers garage in that area.
Round about 1958 I worked in the Wholesale market , then at the bottom of Dixon Lane , for a couple of weeks , in the school holidays.
Just before Easter a lad who worked at the Market , called Terry Schuker [ or Schuler ] had been killed by a runaway lorry at the bottom of Duke Street. He had been delivering some fruit and so on to a vehicle on Broad Street when it happened.
I knew him slightly . I understood he had been a very good Rock n' Roll dancer . Anybody remember the incident ?

The 1876 Whites st directory gives High St 74 Broad St Park.[now Bard St] so the change was in the 1870's :thumbsup:

The Park could refer to peeps brought up on Park Hill. Depends on the era of course. We were all known as Park Lads/Park folk in 60's/70's. I suppose the area we are talking about would be
Park Hill, Hyde Park and in between like Bardyland and up to Norfolk Park. I might be of got the wrong end of the stick of course. :)

My grandmotherf Mary Hannah Kelvey was born21/91849 her birth certificate gived her place of birth as New Town Sheffield,ihave since found out that she was born ar Park Hill Lane what was the area of New Town in the park District?

More on "The Park" from an 1869 book...

"Attached to the Castle was a noble Park of 2,461 acres, within a ring fence of eight miles. Taking as its western limit a line from the Castle walls, near Old Haymarket to Porter-street—the boundary of the township of Ecclesall Bierlow—the Park comprised the whole eastern part of the township of Sheffield. It extended from Bramall-lane and Heeley-bank on one side, to the river Don and the township of Attercliffe-cum-Darnall on the other, and stretched over the hills by Gleadless moor and Intake to the parish of Handsworth on the east. The main entrance was near what is now Dixon-lane. Thence was a broad carriage drive through the Park to Handsworth, where the sixth Earl of Shrewsbury built a handsome lodge, which is described as the boudoir of the family, and had an historical interest as the birth place of Wm. Cavendish, the first Duke of Newcastle—the able General who sustained for a time the falling fortunes of Charles I. The Handsworth Lodge has long since perished. From the main carriage drive a more private road branched southward to the Manor, of which some account will be found in another page.

The Park was richly wooded; stately avenues of oak and walnut shaded the winding roads, but in 1706 it was denuded of its fine timber, and divided into farms, having previously been invaded for mining purposes. Its western slopes are now one of the most populous parts of the town, but are still known as "The Park." Its northern extremity is disfigured by coal mines and manufactories, mining operations being carried on within the very area of the [Sheffield] Manor, where [Cardinal] Wolsey spent some of his last days, and Mary Stuart [Queen of Scots] was an occasional prisoner.

A ramble over those bold eastern hills even now, disfigured as they are by unsightly buildings, and not unfrequently enveloped in dust and smoke, can hardly fail to leave a vivid impression of the natural grandeur of the ancient Park—the haunt of graceful deer from times immediately succeeding the Norman Conquest to the beginning of the eighteenth century, and the scene of pastimes and pageantries as gorgeous as those of royalty itself.

From pages 34-37 in the Illustrated Guide to Sheffield and the Surrounding District, Comprising Accounts of the Early History and Progress of the Town, its Public and Religious Bodies, Edifices and Institutions, Descriptions of its Manufactures, and of the Suburban Scenery and Places of Interest in the Surrounding District, Edited by John Taylor, published 1879, by Pawson and Brailsford, 398 pages. Full text on the web at books. google. com / books. (remove spaces and search part of the title)

Regards, Bill

Thank you for all your replies especially the last one. I have a good idea where it is now and of its history.

Ta,
Simon