Now that poor old Jim has been kicked off Hells Kitchen thought I'd just comment that I agreed with him. I doubt if calling someone a "shirtlifter" is a capital offence? I mean if anyone wants to call me a "skirtlifter" I dont mind!

Of course everyone deserves respect, but hells bells what a state we're in when as Jim says "a normal white middle aged male, aint entitled to an opinion anymore" or words to that effect.

I do agree with him when he says that gay men do have a certain sneering look, when they disagree with someone, sorry but I do. And the bloke in question, Brian? was once on a quiz show and he said some very nasty things about Britney, I think it was.

So come on all this huggy feely sensitive stuff only makes things worse.

Jim Davidson is old enough and one would have thought had enough savvy to know how his words would be received, so whatever he wanted to achieve by going on the show went out the window, it seems that he and wisdom don't go hand in hand

And which part, precisely, of saying offensive comments for no other reason than to annoy the person you're talking to, did you agree with?

Jim Davidson is old enough and one would have thought had enough savvy to know how his words would be received, so whatever he wanted to achieve by going on the show went out the window, it seems that he and wisdom don't go hand in hand

I agree, he seems a victim of his own intelligence.

And which part, precisely, of saying offensive comments for no other reason than to annoy the person you're talking to, did you agree with?

thats just the point they werent offensive unless over sensitive.

Jim Davidson is old enough and one would have thought had enough savvy to know how his words would be received, so whatever he wanted to achieve by going on the show went out the window, it seems that he and wisdom don't go hand in hand

Yes but you cant not say something, if you believe it, just to please others? He made an offensive comment not doubt, but why did they banish him or even invite him on the show in the first place?

He claimed he was deliberately playing up to the role the TV show has cast him in....the unfunny, loud mouthed, vulgar, bankrupt "comedian"

It worked a treat

He claimed he was deliberately playing up to the role the TV show has cast him in....the unfunny, loud mouthed, vulgar, bankrupt "comedian"

It worked a treat

mmm i dont realy watch him but he's been successful. everyone ive spoken to today agreed he'd been treated badly.

thats just the point they werent offensive unless over sensitive.


That's your opinion; and since the vast and overwhelming majority don't share it, I think you can be said to be wrong.

That's your opinion; and since the vast and overwhelming majority don't share it, I think you can be said to be wrong.

thats just it. most people do agree with me. they just dont come on here.

That's one in the eye for Jim 'dick dick' Davidson. About time too.

thats just it. most people do agree with me. they just dont come on here.
No, most people of your acquaintance agree with you. I think that says more about you and your acquaintances than the general opinion about Jim Davidson and his moronic comments.

No, most people of your acquaintance agree with you. I think that says more about you and your acquaintances than the general opinion about Jim Davidson and his moronic comments.

theyre all professional degree educated people. none of them are gay, and there lays the answer.

That's one in the eye for Jim 'dick dick' Davidson. About time too.

its nick nick you oaf!

its nick nick you oaf!


To me it will always be 'dick dick' - you dick. get it now?

Yes but you cant not say something, if you believe it, just to please others? He made an offensive comment not doubt, but why did they banish him or even invite him on the show in the first place?

the producers probably thought he wouldn't step out of line, he let himself down, and I'm still not sure whether his thought process was to go before he was pushed

To me it will always be 'dick dick' - you dick. get it now?

are you giving me that sneering look, bet you are:hihi:

the producers probably thought he wouldn't step out of line, he let himself down, and I'm still not sure whether his thought process was to go before he was pushed


could have all been set up, who knows, cant trust tv these days.

are you giving me that sneering look, bet you are:hihi:

I would never sneer at a man for standing up for the rights of Jim (and other great thinkers) to speak up for the ordinary bloke's right to turn everyone who's not of their ethnic background and sexual orientation in to figures of fun.

could have all been set up, who knows, cant trust tv these days.


Jim didn't let himself down, Brian did,what a DRAMA QUEEN.You could see Brian getting himself "more & more " upset & guess what " in front of the cameras"

I would never sneer at a man for standing up for the rights of Jim (and other great thinkers) to speak up for the ordinary bloke's right to turn everyone who's not of their ethnic background and sexual orientation in to figures of fun.

See that Chalky Whitely........:hihi:

Jim Davidson is Jim Davidson,like me he is prior to the PC rubbish that is spouted nowadays,He was one of the finest stand up comedians this country has ever produced and whist I dont agree with his political views I find it very disturbing when a true professional is hounded like heis,Lee whatever his name is is a nomark and is not fit to lace Jim Davidsons boots talent wise Im sure he's been called more than a shirt lifter in his uneventful life and it seems to me he his a d class celebrity trying to live with the "big boys,he is/was talentless and people like him have to search for attention.I can remember the time when Davidson used to take the urine out of the police force and everybody thought he was the bees knees,it seems that memories are short.Jim Davidson will be rememdred as a class act long after the shirtlifter has worn the homosexual ticket out..GOOD ON YOU JIM..keep it up

I used to like him when i was a lad. I used to watch Big Brake and thought he was funny, to a point. When he was live on stage though he could really have me ******* myself so i was looking forward to seeking him on Hells Kitchen.
What a shock i was in for. I thought he was rude, obnoxious, an arse lick, a toady little grass and a whinging baby who craved attention and didnt care how he got it.
But kicked off for calling some over emotional baby a shrtlifter??
A bit harsh imo.

Jim didn't let himself down, Brian did,what a DRAMA QUEEN.You could see Brian getting himself "more & more " upset & guess what " in front of the cameras"

exactly!!! thats why jim is the victim. no doubt they'll rig the show so he wins just like they did big brother so the Indian racist would win.

See that Chalky Whitely........:hihi:

A great example of Jim's pure comedy genius :huh: You can't laugh at someone just because they're black these days. It's the PC brigade, dontchaknow.

exactly!!! thats why jim is the victim. no doubt they'll rig the show so he wins just like they did big brother so the Indian racist would win.

Ouch:suspect:


Probably true though:hihi:

Wonder how the PC brigade would react to Charlie Williams nowadays He used to take the urine out of blacks more than any other comedian of his era incidentally he was one of the most arrogant self centered ,self opinienated snobs I have ever had words with and for those of you that have never heard of him he was as black as the ace of spades

Wonder how the PC brigade would react to Charlie Williams nowadays He used to take the urine out of blacks more than any other comedian of his era incidentally he was one of the most arrogant self centered ,self opinienated snobs I have ever had words with and for those of you that have never heard of him he was as black as the ace of spades


But was he a good cook ?:hihi:

But was he a good cook ?:hihi:

according to Wiliams when I was in conversation(sic)with him he was better than anybody else at anything,you should have heard him about his football prowess god knows Why Doncaster Rovers never won the european cup with him in the side.he even had the affront to say that Pele would not have given him much trouble and worst of all he meant it

Wonder how the PC brigade would react to Charlie Williams nowadays He used to take the urine out of blacks more than any other comedian of his era incidentally he was one of the most arrogant self centered ,self opinienated snobs I have ever had words with and for those of you that have never heard of him he was as black as the ace of spades


I'd like to see a black comedian who constantly makes whites out to be nothing more than clownish figures of fun. Anyone who got offended would obviously be a member of the PC brigade.

I'd like to see a black comedian who constantly makes whites out to be nothing more than clownish figures of fun. Anyone who got offended would obviously be a member of the PC brigade.

Oh come off it. That's the only way they get their jokes nowadays.

Jim Davidson is a victim of his own culture and age,in his day when he was famous it was acceptable to take the mick out of certain races (chalky was one of his most famous personalities),hes prob never seen a reality game show in his life and thought he was giving the viewing public what they wanted when he had a go at the gay guy (who btw plays on the gay thing BIG time)
Aint condoning what Davidson said and dont particularly agree with him,each to their own,just dont think he should be vilified for being stuck in his ways

brian dowling phuttt

No, most people of your acquaintance agree with you.
I think that says more about you and your acquaintances than the general opinion about Jim Davidson and his moronic comments.

agree. If people want to hear vile trash they can pay to see these bigots, but decent people don't want it brought into their homes. It was right to boot him off the show

brian dowling only got on the show because he is a homosexual he doesn,t have any talent

brian dowling only got on the show because he is a homosexual he doesn,t have any talent
Neither do most people on these programmes, but that isn't the point.

Jim Davidson is a victim of his own culture and age,in his day when he was famous it was acceptable to take the mick out of certain races (chalky was one of his most famous personalities),hes prob never seen a reality game show in his life and thought he was giving the viewing public what they wanted when he had a go at the gay guy (who btw plays on the gay thing BIG time)
Aint condoning what Davidson said and dont particularly agree with him,each to their own,just dont think he should be vilified for being stuck in his ways

Plenty of us of the same age or older than JD have moved on. We used to laugh at some of the humour of comedians like JD, but since we've become more aware and enlightened now find them tasteless and on occasion cruel and nasty. I didn't see the show, but I know that JD did write an apology of sorts. Hopefully he's now realised that what might be hugely funny to an audience that paid to listen to his type of humour, just isn't acceptable to many others.

Jim Davidson is Jim Davidson,like me he is prior to the PC rubbish that is spouted nowadays,He was one of the finest stand up comedians this country has ever produced and whist I dont agree with his political views I find it very disturbing when a true professional is hounded like heis,Lee whatever his name is is a nomark and is not fit to lace Jim Davidsons boots talent wise Im sure he's been called more than a shirt lifter in his uneventful life and it seems to me he his a d class celebrity trying to live with the "big boys,he is/was talentless and people like him have to search for attention.I can remember the time when Davidson used to take the urine out of the police force and everybody thought he was the bees knees,it seems that memories are short.Jim Davidson will be rememdred as a class act long after the shirtlifter has worn the homosexual ticket out..GOOD ON YOU JIM..keep it up

I'm sorry, but this really made me chuckle. Considering some of the real, world class comedic talent this country has produces, to rank 'nick,nick' up there with them, is the equivalent of taking a dump in a frying pan and trying to pass it off as steak...

brian dowling only got on the show because he is a homosexual he doesn,t have any talent

I take it you're a straight white man, God damn freak :rolleyes:

:D


Please note, this post is not an insult, PK will get the joke, he does have a sense of humour.

I take it you're a straight white man, God damn freak :rolleyes:

:D


Please note, this post is not an insult, PK will get the joke, he does have a sense of humour.



:hihi::hihi::hihi:
LMAO!!!

Now that poor old Jim has been kicked off Hells Kitchen thought I'd just comment that I agreed with him.
You agree that singling someone out on account of their sexuality and targeting them for humiliation is agreeable? Doesn't surprise me, I'm afraid.

Of course everyone deserves respect, but hells bells what a state we're in when as Jim says "a normal white middle aged male, aint entitled to an opinion anymore" or words to that effect

That's the usual bleating defence of homophobes, bigots and racists. He was a complete tosser who set out to upset Brian, suceeded and then played the 'poor white middle aged me' card, blaming the lack of support for his outdated, ******* on minorities 'humour' on the 'PC brigade' - as we've seen his ilk do so many times on dear old SF.

Just found this rather entertaining piece about 'poor old Jim' - apologies in advance to the mods and anyone else who's offended by some masked swearing.

''In December last year, Jim Davidson appeared in pantomime in Kent, England. In the first act, he asked the audience: ‘Do you know who I am?’ A 15-year-old boy scout, in uniform, shouted back, ‘Yes, you’re a f*****g w****r!’ The audience roared; Davidson sulked. He even went in search of the offending heckler during the interval, to no avail.

‘A f*****g w****r’ is a pretty good summary of what most people think about Davidson, a ‘comedian’ out of time. His rather mean-minded, racist and misogynistic humour got him national recognition just as ‘alternative comedy’ started a backlash against such old-fashioned stand-up. (He’s still bitter about ‘leftie’ comics.) But unlike the recently deceased Bernard Manning, who also liked to rip people apart on the basis of their race, sex and any other prejudice that was going, Davidson just wasn’t - and still isn’t - funny.''


Full article here - http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3816

Jim didn't let himself down, Brian did,what a DRAMA QUEEN.You could see Brian getting himself "more & more " upset & guess what " in front of the cameras"

I disagree,

As I said previously, on the now-vanished thread on homophobic hate-crimes, I think if someone said something like that to BD, he's every right to be irate.

No one with two brain cells to knock together would expect to talk like that to someone/about someone and not have wrath falling upon their head, whether it's calling a wheelchair user a "Spacker", someone black an "N-word", or using offensive terms to a gay person.

JD is old enough and ugly enough to know what's acceptable language/ terminology to use, without having to resort to using derogatory terms.

Oh, and he's about as "funny" as a dose of clap, IMO.

Jim didn't let himself down, Brian did,what a DRAMA QUEEN.You could see Brian getting himself "more & more " upset & guess what " in front of the cameras"

By the same token, if I were to approach you and say - ''Tarquin? What kind of a name is that? Only c**ts and w****rs are called Tarquin'' and you were upset about it, that'd make you a DRAMA QUEEN and I wouldn't have let myself down.

I like the comments made by the host Angus Deayton,

‘Jim Davidson now begins the long journey home… to the 1970s.’

I can't stand Jim Davidson. He's living in another era. I saw him on one of those 'top 50 stand-ups' shows where he was commenting on other comedians. He spent about a minute talking about how much he hates women - there was so much venom in his voice. He's a nasty nasty man.

On commenting on Jo Brand he could barely get past how she looked - saying she is incredibly fat and ugly (whilst in the next breath praising Bernard Manning to high heaven!!), and then pulling his face at the content to Brand's routines (i.e. periods etc), saying "who wants to hear about that". Erm - well about half the population who happen to be female, and a good few men seem to find her funny too. He came across as bitter and twisted that he doesn't enjoy the same success as he used to.

By the same token, if I were to approach you and say - ''Tarquin? What kind of a name is that? Only c**ts and w****rs are called Tarquin'' and you were upset about it, that'd make you a DRAMA QUEEN and I wouldn't have let myself down.

well thats a little different isnt it. obvious bad laguage compared to a inoffensive phrase.

well thats a little different isnt it. obvious bad laguage compared to a inoffensive phrase.

Not at all. The term was clearly very offensive to Brian - if Jim had any kind of sensitivity he
a) wouldn't have made his crass remarks in the first place and
b) would have apologised and not sought to compound Brians distress by accusing him of 'playing the homophobia card.'

You - I'm guessing - aren't a homosexual, haven't got to face ignorant prejudice from morons like Davidson every day and it's easy for you to regard the term 'shirtlifter as inoffensive.

Why do you think Davidson said what he did?

Not at all. The term was clearly very offensive to Brian - if Jim had any kind of sensitivity he
a) wouldn't have made his crass remarks in the first place and
b) would have apologised and not sought to compound Brians distress by accusing him of 'playing the homophobia card.'

You - I'm guessing - aren't a homosexual, haven't got to face ignorant prejudice from morons like Davidson every day and it's easy for you to regard the term 'shirtlifter as inoffensive.

Why do you think Davidson said what he did?

because like me he feels that he is being discriminated against more and more and he has less and less right to say what he feels.

if skirtlifter is not offensive why should shirtlifter be considered abuse?

because like me he feels that he is being discriminated against more and more and he has less and less right to say what he feels.

if skirtlifter is not offensive why should shirtlifter be considered abuse?

You go round lifting random skirts and I think there will just a little bit of offence taken. Especially in Scotland :D.

Seriously though, the point is that 'skirtlifter' has been invented by people who use an offensive term, in order to counter a term which others find offensive.

Saying "Go on then, say that to me. I won't be offended. By that token, you can't be offended by what I say." is ludicrous.

some are too sensitive and only to willing to have a tantrum. its double standards supported on the whole by gays in politics and the media. (and SF)

because like me he feels that he is being discriminated against more and more and he has less and less right to say what he feels.

if skirtlifter is not offensive why should shirtlifter be considered abuse?

Mikey, the offensiveness of a word is down to context. Try this one for size, Ok?
If two lovers are talking and one says to the other 'I love the taste of your c**t baby' thats not offensive, it's language they're both comfortable with.
If I say to you 'Mikey, you're a total c**t and I hate you' that would be offensive as it's clearly meant insultingly.

In the case of Davidson he'd already made his disdain for Brain clear and knew that the shirtlifter remarks would be taken offensively - but he chose to make them anyway.
Ultimately, however, the point is that Brian found them offensive and if Davidson was anything other than what he is he wouldn't have said it.

some are too sensitive and only to willing to have a tantrum. its double standards supported on the whole by gays in politics and the media. (and SF)

Tell us please Mikey - who's discriminating against you? Really.

some are too sensitive and only to willing to have a tantrum. its double standards supported on the whole by gays in politics and the media. (and SF)

There, there. It's not all like that. Have your dummy and teddy back ;).

There, there. It's not all like that. Have your dummy and teddy back ;).

Don't tease HH - don't you know poor Mikey's dreadfully discriminated against and oppressed?

Don't tease HH - don't you know poor Mikey's dreadfully discriminated against and oppressed?

mmmm just our luck. some have fish that produce delicious caviar, what do we have? one who produces a constant supply of bull ****:hihi:

mmmm just our luck. some have fish that produce delicious caviar, what do we have? one who produces a constant supply of bull ****:hihi:

Not bad.

But howabout adressing the substance of what I've posted - i.e. the concept that a words offensiveness depends on the context in which it's said?

mmmm just our luck. some have fish that produce delicious caviar, what do we have? one who produces a constant supply of bull ****:hihi:

You don't sound very oppressed.

The only thing I have found offensive is the "oh poor me" reaction from Mr Dowling - get some backbone for gods sake, sticks and stones and all that. Even some of my gay friends have said he is an over-reactionary 'queen' who gives most gay men a bad name.

The only thing I have found offensive is the "oh poor me" reaction from Mr Dowling - get some backbone for gods sake, sticks and stones and all that. Even some of my gay friends have said he is an over-reactionary 'queen' who gives most gay men a bad name.

exactly, he does gay men a huge disservice. he's played on it for financial gain.

exactly, he does gay men a huge disservice. he's played on it for financial gain.

Still too opressed to actually respond to debate? Unable to discuss my point about context? Maybe too challenging for an intellect that finds Jim Davidson amusing....

Still too opressed to actually respond to debate? Unable to discuss my point about context? Maybe too challenging for an intellect that finds Jim Davidson amusing....

see your even bullying now, typical of new left facists!

see your even bullying now, typical of new left facists!

Mikey10 do you feel the real victim? You shouldn't be so sensitive, or are you milking each situation for as much as you can?

see your even bullying now, typical of new left facists!

Anyone would think you were throwing a tantrum ........

see your even bullying now, typical of new left facists!

Bullied on an internet forum, by halibut?

I'd keep that quiet or you'll be a laughing stock…

Being bullied by halibut is like being outsmarted by crisp packet.

(sorry halibut! :D )

Bullied on an internet forum, by halibut?

I'd keep that quiet or you'll be a laughing stock…

Being bullied by halibut is like being outsmarted by crisp packet.

(sorry halibut! :D )

why you have to spoil it by apologising. dam:)

see your even bullying now, typical of new left facists!

Mikey - I'm not a facist. I've never even seen your face.

Mikey - I'm not a facist. I've never even seen your face.

mmm a comical fish, there may be a market for that somewhere. hopefully the castle market with ice up your but:hihi:

mmm a comical fish, there may be a market for that somewhere. hopefully the castle market with ice up your but:hihi:

I don't need a market mikey (why the lower case 'm'? - Not feeling too good about yourself?). There are some things money can't buy.

I don't need a market mikey (why the lower case 'm'? - Not feeling too good about yourself?). There are some things money can't buy.

for CODS sake shut up and stop CARPing on you miserable old TROUT. HADDOCK enough of this, PERCHed on my sofa listening to you ya bloody SHARK.

From the posts I have seen of hers in the last few days, I don't think M10 will be around for much longer. She either likes to wind-up forummers or she really believes the carp that she types. If she starts a racist or stupid thread please, just don't reply.

Don't feed the animals.

From the posts I have seen of hers in the last few days, I don't think M10 will be around for much longer. She either likes to wind-up forummers or she really believes the carp that she types. If she starts a racist or stupid thread please, just don't reply.

Don't feed the animals.
Bloody hell, don't assign him to my gender, please :hihi: .

Originally Posted by Bloomdido
From the posts I have seen of hers in the last few days, I don't think M10 will be around for much longer. She either likes to wind-up forummers or she really believes the carp that she types. If she starts a racist or stupid thread please, just don't reply.

Don't feed the animals.

if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen!

Sorry Hecate. If I had my way I would ban all men from positions of power. I am sure the world would be a much better (and safer) place if that could happen. I was just jesting.

If I can't stand the heat, I either take off my jacket or turn down the thermostat. M10, I have this image of you sat at your computer in a stained vest, dribbling pizza and slurping cans of lager, imagining what it would be like to have a life. No more responses to you Mickey Mickey.

Davidson just wasn’t - and still isn’t - funny.''


Actually he was funny and made a lot of money out of being funny as did Bernard Manning.

Sadly times have changed and comedians today seem to be very restricted with their material.

Actually he was funny and made a lot of money out of being funny as did Bernard Manning.

Sadly times have changed and comedians today seem to be very restricted with their material.

On the contrary, upholder - there's a huge wealth and range of material used by modern comics - it's just that most of it doesn't revolve around the crassly stereotypical worldview of has-beens like 'poor old Jim'.

Sorry Hecate. If I had my way I would ban all men from positions of power. I am sure the world would be a much better (and safer) place if that could happen. I was just jesting.

If I can't stand the heat, I either take off my jacket or turn down the thermostat. M10, I have this image of you sat at your computer in a stained vest, dribbling pizza and slurping cans of lager, imagining what it would be like to have a life. No more responses to you Mickey Mickey.

thats me on a good day!

but it really is a bit arrogant to think that I would be bothered if you responded or not. bit childish to take your ball home. you havent really said anything of any merit nor or you ever mildly amusing, so indeed you self impossed excile will be most welcome:hihi:

Sorry Hecate. If I had my way I would ban all men from positions of power. I am sure the world would be a much better (and safer) place if that could happen. I was just jesting.
If I can't stand the heat, I either take off my jacket or turn down the thermostat. M10, I have this image of you sat at your computer in a stained vest, dribbling pizza and slurping cans of lager, imagining what it would be like to have a life. No more responses to you Mickey Mickey.


one appears to be a little bitter, have you been dumped?:D

I caught a little bit of these few episode of that programme. It's kinda interesting to say the least. It certainly reminded me of the views expressed on the SF tbh. Which I find kind of ironic, but then maybe this is reality? I don't know...

Actually he was funny and made a lot of money out of being funny as did Bernard Manning.

Sadly times have changed and comedians today seem to be very restricted with their material.
I still have fond memories of Jim Davidson on Big Break too. I can't say I got all of his jokes all of the time, but I did think that he was one of those celebrity which were always marketed at the family market.

I can't say I have followed Bernard Manning's materials, but I do find that they hit a certain nerve in this day and age. I have no idea how UK is in the past, but I do live life for now.

Times do indeed change, and different materials work in a different way depending on how society goes. What works in the past may not mean that it will work in the next 30 years. The really classic works can be said to be true and timeless are about topics which are common to any person, creed or colour.

I kind of felt sorry for Jim Davidson in a way, and I do not doubt that he seemed somewhat sorry for what he did. Yet, it just seems odd that he doesn't honestly ask Brian in a respectful way about himself, but just uses humour to hide his curiosity about homosexuality in general. I get the feeling that Brian doesn't really get Jim, and nor Jim gets Brian. What really is true is that, Brian did not find what Jim said as a funny witty line. As "good as you", what does that mean? Even though in Jim's mind, it may be a play on words, but to someone who may not find such humour funny, then it isn't so funny...

Is Brian funny? Yes, I actually do find him funny. Not because he is out to make money and marketed himself as a comedian. He's one of these people that are dramatic, and can laugh at his own silliness. Maybe that is what the younger generation now follows as humour? It isn't the old school of wit and sarcasm any more.

I actually don't get when people say that individuals are actually playing these so called "cards". When someone say that, it makes me think that they think ALL people are the same, when it is obvious that they are not.

Can anybody explain to me what that drama queen is actually famous for, coz I never heard of him. Yes he is a drama queen, there are a couple of gays where I work who are exactly the same. Get a life you talentless git Dowling

Can anybody explain to me what that drama queen is actually famous for, coz I never heard of him. Yes he is a drama queen, there are a couple of gays where I work who are exactly the same. Get a life you talentless git Dowling
*Deep breath*

Brian Dowling won one of the earlier series of Big Brother. He is a gay man. His style and genuine character is probably what made him popular. He then became a presenter and got himself into the media industry as a whole.

*Deep breath*

Brian Dowling won one of the earlier series of Big Brother. He is a gay man. His style and genuine character is probably what made him popular. He then became a presenter and got himself into the media industry as a whole.

Oh Big Brother. That says it all. In other words he is famous for winning a reality show and then goes on to appear in a 'celebrity' reality show.

Oh Big Brother. That says it all. In other words he is famous for winning a reality show and then goes on to appear in a 'celebrity' reality show.

Not only that. He's a talented musician and played the sax solo on Girls Aloud's hit "The Sound Of The Underground".

Okay... if you will go down that road.
Then what has Jim Davidson got to offer? Why is being a comedian seen as a more acceptable profession compared to a presenter, say? Are both jobs not deemed as credible in this day and age any more ?

Oh Big Brother. That says it all. In other words he is famous for winning a reality show and then goes on to appear in a 'celebrity' reality show.

Brian Dowling also presented a children's tv show on a saturday morning, for quite some time, so he's not as much of a nine-day-wonder as he is being made out to be.

He's actually been one of the more successful BB winners. He has had a fairly decent career in TV presenting, albeit one that has tailed off recently. I personally find him very entertaining, as opposed to Jim Davidson who just makes me cringe with his outdated act.

What really annoys me is when middle class white men claim persecution and accuse people of playing the race-card, or the homophobe card, or the sex-card. They just cannot accept that it is actually their views that are unacceptable and there is nothing wrong with someone protesting about them. These men have to accept that their centuries of domination will have to come to an end sooner or later - and that means adapting to a society that is aiming to treat people equally. To them it may look like they are being treated unfavourably - when actually they're being treated on an even keel rather than benefitting from the fall out of the widespread discrimination of women, non-white people, homosexuals, disabled people etc.

Not sure Jim Davidson was ever that funny really. I don't mind the racism, sexism or homophobia but the one thing a comedian has to be is funny or he is nothing.

He always lacked Bernard Manning's timing and delivery and too much of his act revolved around his own misfortunes (bigamy and drink driving mainly) and often lacked any punchline. Or he reorted to silly voices which did little to improve his talent.

He was an average host on Generation Game and Big Break and his sitcoms were pretty poor too. His best joke is the one about a barrow boy and a dachshund (one bawles out his wares on the pavment while the other wears out .......) but you can't build a career on one good joke.

Not sure Jim Davidson was ever that funny really. I don't mind the racism, sexism or homophobia but the one thing a comedian has to be is funny or he is nothing.

He always lacked Bernard Manning's timing and delivery and too much of his act revolved around his own misfortunes (bigamy and drink driving mainly) and often lacked any punchline. Or he reorted to silly voices which did little to improve his talent.

He was an average host on Generation Game and Big Break and his sitcoms were pretty poor too. His best joke is the one about a barrow boy and a dachshund (one bawles out his wares on the pavment while the other wears out .......) but you can't build a career on one good joke.

Got to disagree with you there Sid. The fact that he did extract his own urine was his saving grace.

He's actually been one of the more successful BB winners. He has had a fairly decent career in TV presenting, albeit one that has tailed off recently. I personally find him very entertaining, as opposed to Jim Davidson who just makes me cringe with his outdated act.

What really annoys me is when middle class white men claim persecution and accuse people of playing the race-card, or the homophobe card, or the sex-card. They just cannot accept that it is actually their views that are unacceptable and there is nothing wrong with someone protesting about them. These men have to accept that their centuries of domination will have to come to an end sooner or later - and that means adapting to a society that is aiming to treat people equally. To them it may look like they are being treated unfavourably - when actually they're being treated on an even keel rather than benefitting from the fall out of the widespread discrimination of women, non-white people, homosexuals, disabled people etc.

you mean like the situation we women get at work, where the office letch grabs our backside or boobs and when we object, they start screaming that we must be "lesbian" or "frigid"?

could have all been set up, who knows, cant trust tv these days.

Of course it was set up. That's how these type of shows work, they always put people together who are likely to rub each other up the wrong way. They know that arguments between 'celebrities' (I use the word loosely) will always raise vewing figures. Without that it would be just another cookery programme showing people how to cook posh food and would therefore be more BBC2 than ITV1.

I'd like to see a black comedian who constantly makes whites out to be nothing more than clownish figures of fun. Anyone who got offended would obviously be a member of the PC brigade.

try in America they are not quite as nannying as we are here :roll:

even eddy murphy is racist when doing stand up still funny tho

Brian Dowling also presented a children's tv show on a saturday morning, for quite some time, so he's not as much of a nine-day-wonder as he is being made out to be.



Glad people told me who he is coz I still wouldn't recognise him if he walked past me, whereas Jim Davidson is very well know. I cant see that Drama queen having a longer career as Jim Davidson has.
Won big brother, whoopee, they are all a bunch of freaks anyway on that poor excuse of a tv programme

you mean like the situation we women get at work, where the office letch grabs our backside or boobs and when we object, they start screaming that we must be "lesbian" or "frigid"?

Urgh - yes! I've dealt with a few sexual harassment cases through work, and even though the behaviour of each guy involved has been disgusting, none of them have been able to see what was wrong with it - they all pleaded that they "meant no harm" - and expected that to be the end of it.

Urgh - yes! I've dealt with a few sexual harassment cases through work, and even though the behaviour of each guy involved has been disgusting, none of them have been able to see what was wrong with it - they all pleaded that they "meant no harm" - and expected that to be the end of it.

The last bloke I worked with who did that to me, got a drink thrown over him.

Well, he had persisted in grabbing at me, despite being told to keep his hands to himself...

Not only that. He's a talented musician and played the sax solo on Girls Aloud's hit "The Sound Of The Underground". good at blowing then :o second reason he got on the show

"Not only that. He's a talented musician and played the sax solo on Girls Aloud's hit "The Sound Of The Underground".

I suspect this is Basil's homage to the well known urban myth that Bob "Blockbusters" Holness played the Sax on Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street".

"Not only that. He's a talented musician and played the sax solo on Girls Aloud's hit "The Sound Of The Underground".

I suspect this is Basil's homage to the well known urban myth that Bob "Blockbusters" Holness played the Sax on Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street".

Bob Holness was the first James Bond. On radio. Fact.

Apparently Jim Davidson punched himself to death because his shoes smelled like a keyboard.

I havent watched the show or read this thread, but I understand that Davidson was booted out for saying the word "Shirtlifter" and that annoyed a gay on the show...?
Its time the gay community stopped being so sensitive and guilt-ridden about their sexuality and evolved a sense of humour and took abuse like the rest of us. Oversensitive little flowers like that are what turn people against the gays, Each time I hear of an instance like that I hate them a little bit more- which isnt bad when you consider that I have several gay friends and never particularly cared what a persons sexuality was.
The gay people want to be alienated even more than they ever have been? Then keep being sensitive and expecting special treatment and thats EXACTLY what they`ll get.

Now, lets see how many people call me a homophobe...

I havent watched the show or read this thread, but I understand that Davidson was booted out for saying the word "Shirtlifter" and that annoyed a gay on the show...?
Its time the gay community stopped being so sensitive and guilt-ridden about their sexuality and evolved a sense of humour and took abuse like the rest of us. Oversensitive little flowers like that are what turn people against the gays, Each time I hear of an instance like that I hate them a little bit more- which isnt bad when you consider that I have several gay friends and never particularly cared what a persons sexuality was.
The gay people want to be alienated even more than they ever have been? Then keep being sensitive and expecting special treatment and thats EXACTLY what they`ll get.

Now, lets see how many people call me a homophobe...

no, I'll not accuse you of homophobia, but what I would suggest is that it might be a reeeeeeeeeeellly good idea for you to go up to a black man, and use the N-word at him, and when he (quite rightly) gives you a clout, for using that sort of term, explain to him, with an air of injured innocence, that you were only trying to stop him being guilt-ridden and so sensitive about his colour... hm?


Can YOU say "Unreconstructed?"

And of course, race HAS to raise its ugly head doesnt it?

Lets bring race into everything!


Can YOU say "One track mind...?"

And of course, race HAS to raise its ugly head doesnt it?

Lets bring race into everything!

One petty prejudice is much like another.

One petty prejudice is much like another.

Thats right and the world is sadly, full of them. We have to live with them though and not try to suppress them.
Making a fuss of them simply gives those with the will to use them more power over those who refuse to use them.

try in America they are not quite as nannying as we are here :roll:

even eddy murphy is racist when doing stand up still funny tho

His little routine about the short Italian-American watchng Rocky is legendary.

I havent watched the show or read this thread, but I understand that Davidson was booted out for saying the word "Shirtlifter" and that annoyed a gay on the show...?
Its time the gay community stopped being so sensitive and guilt-ridden about their sexuality and evolved a sense of humour and took abuse like the rest of us. Oversensitive little flowers like that are what turn people against the gays, Each time I hear of an instance like that I hate them a little bit more- which isnt bad when you consider that I have several gay friends and never particularly cared what a persons sexuality was.
The gay people want to be alienated even more than they ever have been? Then keep being sensitive and expecting special treatment and thats EXACTLY what they`ll get.

Now, lets see how many people call me a homophobe...


You can't treat every instance of words such as this as the same. You seem to be advocating not taking the context into account at all. For example gay people often use the word 'queer' - but this doesn't mean that the word still can't be used in an offensive way. Just as the N-word that PT mentioned can be used within the black community, but is still incredibly offensive dependent on the context. You're oversimplifying things. And your argument sounds very similar to all those given by people who think it is acceptable to be racist/homophobes/sexist etc - i.e. "I didn't mean anything by it, they're over-reacting". It's this attitude that stops these people from moving on. People with this attitude are the ones who need to change. They need to develop an awareness of just how hurtful they can be - not only with the things they say, but with their I didn't do anything wrong - they're to blame' reaction to any complaints regarding their language/behaviour. The argument above is in effect blaming gay people for being offended by homophobic comments - when any rational person can see that the person spouting the homophobic comments is at fault.

Gay people are not expecting special treatment (just as women, non-white people, disabled people, etc, are not expecting special treatment). They are expecting fair treatment, to be treated with dignity and respect - just as someone like Jim Davidson would expect to be treated with.

You can't treat every instance of words such as this as the same. You seem to be advocating not taking the context into account at all. For example gay people often use the word 'queer' - but this doesn't mean that the word still can't be used in an offensive way. Just as the N-word that PT mentioned can be used within the black community, but is still incredibly offensive dependent on the context. You're oversimplifying things. And your argument sounds very similar to all those given by people who think it is acceptable to be racist/homophobes/sexist etc - i.e. "I didn't mean anything by it, they're over-reacting". It's this attitude that stops these people from moving on. People with this attitude are the ones who need to change. They need to develop an awareness of just how hurtful they can be - not only with the things they say, but with their I didn't do anything wrong - they're to blame' reaction to any complaints regarding their language/behaviour. The argument above is in effect blaming gay people for being offended by homophobic comments - when any rational person can see that the person spouting the homophobic comments is at fault.

Well said, banesmabes. The analogy I often use when explaining this is use of the 'c' word - i.e. if used between lovers, it's often completely inoffensive - '' I love your c*** darling' - whereas If used with intent to offend '' You're a lying, cheating c*** and I'm going to smash your head in'' it remains highly offensive.

The_Snark - it wasn't the simple fact that Davidson used the term 'shirtlifter', but that it was used in a manner that was intended to be offensive. 'Poor old Jim' knew damned well it'd get under Brian's skin, which is why he used it.

sticks n stones..............

sticks n stones..............

:hihi:

Some of us saw the first draft!

Jim Davidson is a horrible man. But Brian Dowling , ironically enough , couldnt get enough of homophobic bulying when he was dishing it out to Josh Rafter on Big Brother 2.

And he presents late night quizzes on ITV.