now before everyone gets off on some homophobic rant this is a simple question.
my reasons behind it -
1) obviously i'm a forummer and this means that i interact online with more gay/bisexual people than i acknowledge in the flesh as it was.
2) every gay post results in name calling and "abuse" which leads me to think that either the "scene" is relatively small or do you just keep following one another around on threads to hurl abuse.

Do you mean how many gay people are there in Sheffield? estimates vary but one in 12 is in the right ball park, this means 43000 in the city.

in answer to 2, there may be only a few people who get really riled at this I know quite a few gay people and they do bother responding and provoking further reaction. Is like feeding a cat, that cat will keep coming back for more.

Do you mean how many gay people are there in Sheffield? estimates vary but one in 12 is in the right ball park, this means 43000 in the city.

i didn't mean specifically or numerically,although i'm sure i "know" more online than 1 in 12.

i was just curious as obviously we have posters on here, it just appears that most of the gay people online(if i may be so crude) do know one another or of one another.

Answering number 2 there are unfortunatly more dick heads in Sheffield than gays so your bound to get some dumbass replies.

Why start another post willman when obviously it is going to degenerate into the same clap trap that is going on in general chat....for gods sake is the only thing you can think about to start a thread GAY ??? This in my opinion is tantamount to incitement to ban more people for their veiws... I am shocked that a MODERATOR who should know better has started another thread on gay issues when there is clearly allready a thread dealing with these issues. just what is your motive ?????

...2) every gay post...
I've noticed you've referred to 'gay posts' in two threads now, Willman. By that, do you mean posts made people who are gay (irrespective of the thread topic), or posts with a gay theme made by anyone (on a thread whose topic is a 'gay issue', for example, the thread about gay people and adoption)?
...results in name calling and "abuse" which leads me to think that either the "scene" is relatively small or do you just keep following one another around on threads to hurl abuse.
By 'following one another around to hurl abuse', are you referring to gay people abusing each other? It could be that I read different threads from you, but I've noticed much more abuse aimed at gay people from those who are clearly staunchly and vehemently heterosexual, than abuse within the (openly) gay community.

Answering number 2 there are unfortunatly more dick heads in Sheffield than gays so your bound to get some dumbass replies.

thats no surprise. obviously in general people do come on here to wind each other up or to be inflammatory. but some of the name calling and remarks would even "offend" me.

it will be bigger now theres more room in the closet!

I've noticed you've referred to 'gay posts' in two threads now, Willman. By that, do you mean posts made people who are gay (irrespective of the thread topic), or posts with a gay theme made by anyone (on a thread whose topic is a 'gay issue', for example, the thread about gay people and adoption)?

By 'following one another around to hurl abuse', are you referring to gay people abusing each other? It could be that I read different threads from you, but I've noticed much more abuse aimed at gay people from those who are clearly staunchly and vehemently heterosexual, than abuse within the (openly) gay community.

i meant posts that should have been supportive of the community, ie nightclubs etc. not personal opinions or comments on whether it's right or wrong etc.

on the said threads , i have noticed several personal attacks on obvious memebrs of the community be it drag artists or whatever.

i can't really question homophobic attitudes as i don't condone them at all - i just found it ironic that a community within a community are as hateful to one another as the larger community is.

Why start another post willman when obviously it is going to degenerate into the same clap trap that is going on in general chat....for gods sake is the only thing you can think about to start a thread GAY ??? This in my opinion is tantamount to incitement to ban more people for their veiws... I am shocked that a MODERATOR who should know better has started another thread on gay issues when there is clearly allready a thread dealing with these issues. just what is your motive ?????

if i've missed a thread asking these questions then i apologise.

i'm not interested in anyones abusive comments on gay people at all.
if the powers that be wish to remove my thread i won't object or be offended.

i meant posts that should have been supportive of the community, ie nightclubs etc. not personal opinions or comments on whether it's right or wrong etc. ...
So that would mean you're referring to posts made by gay people?
...on the said threads , i have noticed several personal attacks on obvious memebrs of the community be it drag artists or whatever.

i can't really question homophobic attitudes as i don't condone them at all - i just found it ironic that a community within a community are as hateful to one another as the larger community is.
Why should that be ironic? Just because people have their sexuality in common, doesn't mean they have to get on like a house on fire, does it? People within any community have personality clashes and competitiveness. Within the threads you're referring to, it's clear to me that some are bringing established personal and work-related issues onto the forum.

The issue you raise seems distinct from the more pervasive general abuse aimed at those who are gay or express support for gay-related issues (for example, adoption by gay people). If you're going to be concerned about anything, I'd be concerned about that.

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The issue you raise seems distinct from the more pervasive general abuse aimed at those who are gay or express support for gay-related issues (for example, adoption by gay people). If you're going to be concerned about anything, I'd be concerned about that.

so do you think i should be more concerned with why i'm asking over what some homophobics opinion is?

Why should that be ironic? Just because people have their sexuality in common, doesn't mean they have to get on like a house on fire, does it? People within any community have personality clashes and competitiveness. Within the threads you're referring to, it's clear to me that some are bringing established personal and work-related issues onto the forum.

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i appreciate that as well ,not all pet lovers love cats, or each other ,i get the drift.
you are probably correct about work/personal issues - which is why i was interested in the size of the community.

(don't get me wrong there is no hidden agenda in my interest and definitely no anti emphasis on any of my content.)

Well, I'm 5' 2" and about a size 24/26 :hihi:

so do you think i should be more concerned with why i'm asking over what some homophobics opinion is?
I'm not sure I see what you mean there.

What I meant is that the level of homophobia on certain threads - as pointed out by Meaks on his thread about inciting homophobia - is disturbingly high on certain threads and in general. I'd be more concerned about that than a few personality clashes and work-related issues between a few people on one particular thread.

The idea that 1 in 12 are homosexual is quite ridiculous. If this was the case then there would be do zens on every street, and this is just not the case. There is probably a tiny percentage who are genuine and then a few more who are young and confused.

I'm not sure I see what you mean there.

What I meant is that the level of homophobia on certain threads - as pointed out by Meaks on his thread about inciting homophobia - is disturbingly high on certain threads and in general. I'd be more concerned about that than a few personality clashes and work-related issues between a few people on one particular thread.

i am concerned about it all - both on a personal level and a mod level.
some of the comments however can be easier to comprehend and administer if they're blatant homphobic, than subtle name calling for instance or criticism.
would we or should we allow such lower level criticism between any two parties?

The idea that 1 in 12 are homosexual is quite ridiculous.

Ridiculous or not, it's a proven fact.

...you are probably correct about work/personal issues - which is why i was interested in the size of the community. ...
You see, I just don't get how the latter is related to the former there, if you're referring to the size of Sheffield's gay community. I can understand, of course, why you might be interested in knowing an estimate of the size of the gay community, but not how it refers to the SF issues you brought up.

The issues you're referring to seem to be to do with some nightclub or other, the people who work/have worked there, and a few of the people who go there and seem to know some of those who work there.

As such, the number of people involved with this apparent infighting/personality clash/whatever it is is tiny compared to Sheffield's gay community, and even the SF gay community. I suspect the majority of Sheffield's gay community couldn't give a stuff about it.

which in a nutshell was what i was getting at.

The idea that 1 in 12 are homosexual is quite ridiculous. If this was the case then there would be do zens on every street, and this is just not the case. There is probably a tiny percentage who are genuine and then a few more who are young and confused.

Bless! Not every gay man camps round or dresses in drag and not every gay female wears boots, braces and has cropped hair!

Shocking as it may appear to you, some of us look just like heterosexuals, so we're very difficult to identify. This is probably why you think there are fewer homosexuals than there actually are.

Oh, and not all burglars go around in striped sweaters and carry a bag marked "swag".

The idea that 1 in 12 are homosexual is quite ridiculous. If this was the case then there would be do zens on every street, and this is just not the case. There is probably a tiny percentage who are genuine and then a few more who are young and confused.

and on what do you base your observations?
just because people dont wear a tshirt or badge advertising the fact, I have friends who are gay and they dont advertise the fact!

Bless! Not every gay man camps round or dresses in drag and not every gay female wears boots, braces and has cropped hair!


Some don't, but 1 in 12 would still mean 50,000 gays in our large village. This is so unlikeley as to be ridiculous. It would mean that in a tiny, quiet, street of 20/30 houses there would always be a gay couple. Again, clearly ridulous.

All the stats are based on people being asked if they have ever engaged in a homosexual act. They usually find a few percent have done so, but often many years ago. The gay community then like to talk these numbers up, but the reality is that they reflect that young people do daft things, rather than reflecting their current sexuality.

i am concerned about it all - both on a personal level and a mod level.
some of the comments however can be easier to comprehend and administer if they're blatant homphobic, than subtle name calling for instance or criticism.
would we or should we allow such lower level criticism between any two parties?
You deal with name-calling in exactly the way you deal with it on any other thread between any other people; get rid of the offenders, I would have thought.

Actually, I think the name-calling, however subtle, would be easier to deal with than a homophobic attitude. I would imagine that drawing the line between what's expression of a view - which, however distasteful, is generally allowed - and blatant bigotry can be quite difficult, at times.

Some don't, but 1 in 12 would still mean 50,000 gays in our large village. This is so unlikeley as to be ridiculous.


At which point - I repeat - you may think it ridiculous, but it's still true. Live with it.

At which point - I repeat - you may think it ridiculous, but it's still true. Live with it.

In which case you would be able to point to compelling, independant statistics, based on research from a reputable source, across all age ranges and social groups, which proves this daft assertion.

In which case you would be able to point to compelling, independant statistics, based on research from a reputable source, across all age ranges and social groups, which proves this daft assertion.

Such things have been plastered all across the public domain for twenty years, that I know of. Probably longer. Frankly I'm amazed you even bother to dispute it.

Can't say I've ever seen stats for Sheffield in the public domain, especially none that mention 1 in 12.

Do you have any links to back up your claims? or are we just to take your word for it?

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Some don't, but 1 in 12 would still mean 50,000 gays in our large village. This is so unlikeley as to be ridiculous. It would mean that in a tiny, quiet, street of 20/30 houses there would always be a gay couple. Again, clearly ridulous.

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50 thousand homosexual people in a community of 600 thousand?
What's ridiculous about that?

Two gay people living on a street? Again, I'm not getting the ridiculousness...

Such things have been plastered all across the public domain for twenty years, that I know of. Probably longer. Frankly I'm amazed you even bother to dispute it.

Where are they then? I only know of silly suggestions that there are various numbers from 5% upwards but I am unaware of any reputable evidence. I dispute it because it is plainly nonsense to suggest that there are 50,000 gay people in Sheffield. I should point out that this isn't any form of attack on those people who are gay, but is an attack on the regurgitation of figures which have no basis in common sense.

And where did these people/ organisations come up with the statistics to prove that one in twelve people are gay in sheffield ??? did a mori poll in the cossack did they ??? Questioned 10 people and based their facts on that ??? come OUT with the concrete facts heyesay or shut up... pure and utter TOSH !!!!:mad:

what does it matter? why ridiculous? who CARES anyway? what if someone put a thread up saying 35% of people in sheffield had tabby cats - would you all come on here then? it doesn't matter does it?

what does it matter? why ridiculous? who CARES anyway? what if someone put a thread up saying 35% of people in sheffield had tabby cats - would you all come on here then? it doesn't matter does it? oh yes we would !!!! I HATE CATS WITH A PASSION.. flea magnets..

Where are they then? I only know of silly suggestions that there are various numbers from 5% upwards but I am unaware of any reputable evidence. I dispute it because it is plainly nonsense to suggest that there are 50,000 gay people in Sheffield. I should point out that this isn't any form of attack on those people who are gay, but is an attack on the regurgitation of figures which have no basis in common sense.

Why is it ridiculous that there are 50,000 gay people in Sheffield. On my road there are two gay couples, me and my partner being one of them, on the road directly across there are two gay couples and a single gay girl, at the bottom of this road on the adjoining road there is a single gay man and furhter down that road is another gay couple. In total that is 12 gay people on three roads. These are only the people I know of but surely this shows that there are far more gays in the city than you would obviously like to admit/accept there are.:roll:

Why is it ridiculous that there are 50,000 gay people in Sheffield. On my road there are two gay couples, me and my partner being one of them, on the road directly across there are two gay couples and a single gay girl, at the bottom of this road on the adjoining road there is a single gay man and furhter down that road is another gay couple. In total that is 12 gay people on three roads. These are only the people I know of but surely this shows that there are far more gays in the city than you would obviously like to admit/accept there are.:roll:

That still wouldn't add up to the sorts of silly figures being bandied about, if only because most of us don't have any obvious gays near us. I suspect you live in an area where they are more likely to reside, for example and inner city area rather than a family area. If these figures have any basis in fact then someone should be able to provide the evidence. The only evidence that I am aware of is a few limited surveys where they have asked people questions such as "have you ever had sexual feelings towards a member of your own sex". Even with such vague questions you don't get to 1 in 12, and really the question should be "are you a homosexual?". Perhaps someone can point to a widespread UK study where such a blunt question was asked of tens of thousands of people, of all ages, and across all social groups?

Why is it ridiculous that there are 50,000 gay people in Sheffield. On my road there are two gay couples, me and my partner being one of them, on the road directly across there are two gay couples and a single gay girl, at the bottom of this road on the adjoining road there is a single gay man and furhter down that road is another gay couple. In total that is 12 gay people on three roads.

Are you sure you don't live in San Francisco ?

now before everyone gets off on some homophobic rant this is a simple question.
my reasons behind it -
1) obviously i'm a forummer and this means that i interact online with more gay/bisexual people than i acknowledge in the flesh as it was.
2) every gay post results in name calling and "abuse" which leads me to think that either the "scene" is relatively small or do you just keep following one another around on threads to hurl abuse.


With reference to point 2 you would be far better finding out the %age or proportion of people in Sheffield who contribute to this forum.

I would imagine that it is a fairly small figure. Then when you take into account things like access to a computer, time available and so on, the validity of any general trend, opinion or feeling expressed on here is not relevant to the city or society as a whole.

That still wouldn't add up to the sorts of silly figures being bandied about, if only because most of us don't have any obvious gays near us.


And where did you get the idea that gays are in any way obvious? :huh:

AND,why does anyone disagreeing with the 'figures' even worry? Shall we start a thread about how many Human Beings live in Sheffield? How many percentage of all people have blood running through their veins? Don't get it what the fuss is about myself.

I've got it (blood) so can someone calculate the percentage from this fact? Thanks.

AND,why does anyone disagreeing with the 'figures' even worry? Shall we start a thread about how many Human Beings live in Sheffield? How many percentage of all people have blood running through their veins? Don't get it what the fuss is about myself.

I've got it (blood) so can someone calculate the percentage from this fact? Thanks.
Hehe - exacly what I was thinking. Oh, and KenH, you'd never know I was gay from speaking to me, looking at me, or knowing what I did in my private life ('part from the obvious)- like the majority of gay people I would suggest.

The idea that 1 in 12 are homosexual is quite ridiculous. If this was the case then there would be do zens on every street, and this is just not the case. There is probably a tiny percentage who are genuine and then a few more who are young and confused.

there probably are just you can't spot them because they aren't mincing around glammed up and being as camp as a laong row of pink tents ...

KenH - please enlighten the Forum as to why you are questioning the 'figures'. Do you know all your neighbours - on your street -on the surrounding streets? Do you go around wondering if He is gay, if She is gay? I personally go around thinking about what time is the next bus is coming, or about all sorts of other more IMPORTANT things. Let's be honest - gay or straight - as I said earlier ...........

ooh - is it time for The Archers yet?

i just found it ironic that a community within a community are as hateful to one another as the larger community is.

why?
everyone slags everybody off,until they are in turn insulted by an 'outsider' whom they promptly close ranks against, until a further 'outsider' has a go at a trait common to them all, whereby they will all close further ranks and band together against the larger threat, until everyone on the planet is faced with prompt annihilation from a true alien threat there will always be segragation and cliques.
AND even if the whole of humanity banded together you can be assured that the world would still bitch and fight amoungst themselves.

about 5'10" or 6"

Why start another post willman when obviously it is going to degenerate into the same clap trap that is going on in general chat....for gods sake is the only thing you can think about to start a thread GAY ??? This in my opinion is tantamount to incitement to ban more people for their veiws... I am shocked that a MODERATOR who should know better has started another thread on gay issues when there is clearly allready a thread dealing with these issues. just what is your motive ?????

Mod. Note

You, matey, seem to be out to cause trouble.

Now, let me put this very simply, in words that anyone tempted to troll on this thread will understand.

If you even try it, you will be banned.



Now, after that announcement, I'll get on topic myself.

According to this link : http://www.gaylinkcontent.com/storydetail.cfm?storyid=2358

The figure is about 6% in the UK as a whole for LGB - 1 in 17. Chances are cities will be higher, and I would say that SF will probably be higher still. It appears from http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:JYOEPilpCPQJ:dagda.shef.ac.uk/dissertations/2005-06/External/Armstrong_Laura_MALib.pdf+sexuality+statistics+she ffield+uk&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=48&gl=uk that Sheffield has 800 or so single sex couples, but there are no official statistics gathered about sexuality.

However...San Francisco has a gay population of about 16%, Seattle 12%, New York around 8%, London estimated at 5%.

The popular figure of 10% quoted for many years is pretty much discredited now as a national average, but based on the other cities listed above I'd 'guesstimate' Sheffield as a whole as around 7% - which comes to 1 in 14.

So - based on this very wooly approach I'd say 40,000 would be reasonable across the Sheffield / Rotherham conurbation.

Now, after that announcement, I'll get on topic myself.

According to this link : http://www.gaylinkcontent.com/storydetail.cfm?storyid=2358

The figure is about 6% in the UK as a whole for LGB - 1 in 17. Chances are cities will be higher, and I would say that SF will probably be higher still. It appears from http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:JYOEPilpCPQJ:dagda.shef.ac.uk/dissertations/2005-06/External/Armstrong_Laura_MALib.pdf+sexuality+statistics+she ffield+uk&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=48&gl=uk that Sheffield has 800 or so single sex couples, but there are no official statistics gathered about sexuality.

However...San Francisco has a gay population of about 16%, Seattle 12%, New York around 8%, London estimated at 5%.

The popular figure of 10% quoted for many years is pretty much discredited now as a national average, but based on the other cities listed above I'd 'guesstimate' Sheffield as a whole as around 7% - which comes to 1 in 14.

So - based on this very wooly approach I'd say 40,000 would be reasonable across the Sheffield / Rotherham conurbation.
Well that shut everyone up! I guess there's no argument there then?:hihi::hihi:

Interesting though how London is such a low percentage. I would have thought it would be very high. Perhaps it's because it's quite highly religiously diverse, and more people have to hide there true feelings.

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Come on Joe you must be able to do better than link to a gay propaganda site to get the stats third hand! If the government really has done such a survey then where are the figures?

In answer to the the people asking me if I look and people and think "is he gay?", here is my reply. I don't look at people and wonder about their sexuality, nor do I much care how many there are. The bit that annoys me is how some gay people have decided they need to talk up the numbers, presumably in order to demonstrate that what they do is so common as to be normal.

Of course I can't know that there are no gays on my street, but I can be pretty sure that there aren't 1 in 12, or even 1 in 50. This is because they are more obvious than they care to admit especially now that most of the stigma has gone. There are no houses with two men living together on my street, nor two women. There are no houses with single men or women for that matter. In those houses with teenage girls we see boys bringing them home and dropping them off on a night. None of this is conclusive, and it reflects the area I live in, but unless there is a section of Sheffield where every house has a gay member then the overall figures being bandied about are complete rubbish.

Where are the 50,000 gay people in Sheffield?

Now, after that announcement, I'll get on topic myself.

According to this link : http://www.gaylinkcontent.com/storydetail.cfm?storyid=2358

The figure is about 6% in the UK as a whole for LGB - 1 in 17. Chances are cities will be higher, and I would say that SF will probably be higher still. It appears from http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:JYOEPilpCPQJ:dagda.shef.ac.uk/dissertations/2005-06/External/Armstrong_Laura_MALib.pdf+sexuality+statistics+she ffield+uk&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=48&gl=uk that Sheffield has 800 or so single sex couples, but there are no official statistics gathered about sexuality.

However...San Francisco has a gay population of about 16%, Seattle 12%, New York around 8%, London estimated at 5%.

The popular figure of 10% quoted for many years is pretty much discredited now as a national average, but based on the other cities listed above I'd 'guesstimate' Sheffield as a whole as around 7% - which comes to 1 in 14.

So - based on this very wooly approach I'd say 40,000 would be reasonable across the Sheffield / Rotherham conurbation.

This link (http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/bib-homoprev.html) would suggest that part of the problem is to identify exactly what you are measuring. How do you define whether someone is gay or whether they are straight but had one or more homosexual experiences?

So the answer is that you're all correct, it just depends on how you choose to define what you're taking a percentage of.

What I would like to know is why gay people (or anyone for that matter) needs to refer to a 'gay community'?

Is there a community for 'straight people', or 'blonde men' or 'people with a squint'? .... No, so why the need for gay people to be segregated into their own 'community'?

I thought we all lived together irrespective of colour, race, sexual preference, inside trouser-leg measurement etc.? I like to call it "The Real World".

Shouldn't the question merely be "how many gay people live in sheffield"? or am I missing something? :suspect:

Whether there is 1 in 2, 1 in 12, 1 in 100 etc. does it matter?

Willman - if you're that bothered about the number of gay people in Sheffield, start a Poll on SF. "Are you gay Yes/No".

Either that, or start a Facebook group "Gay people in Sheffield, are you? signup today" and see how many you get.

And these are the people who say they are no different to anyone else, yet need their own community, seems a bit like they want it to be all one way traffic.

Willman - if you're that bothered about the number of gay people in Sheffield, start a Poll on SF. "Are you gay Yes/No".

Either that, or start a Facebook group "Gay people in Sheffield, are you? signup today" and see how many you get.

The poll on SF might indicate the percentage of current SF users that are gay, but as JoeP indicated, SF is not a representative sample of Sheffield and so it wouldn't be possible to make any valid prediction based on that poll.

And what the facebook idea is supposed to be measuring, I have no idea. Trouble is I don't know whether your reply was supposed to be tongue in cheek. I hope so.

That still wouldn't add up to the sorts of silly figures being bandied about, if only because most of us don't have any obvious gays near us. I suspect you live in an area where they are more likely to reside, for example and inner city area rather than a family area. If these figures have any basis in fact then someone should be able to provide the evidence. The only evidence that I am aware of is a few limited surveys where they have asked people questions such as "have you ever had sexual feelings towards a member of your own sex". Even with such vague questions you don't get to 1 in 12, and really the question should be "are you a homosexual?". Perhaps someone can point to a widespread UK study where such a blunt question was asked of tens of thousands of people, of all ages, and across all social groups?

You suspect wrong, I live on Wybourn which is a large family estate and in view of the size of it pro rata there would be a large proportion of gay people living there:rant:

Are you sure you don't live in San Francisco ?

I wish:hihi::hihi:

KenH - part of the problem is, as I pointed out, that no one actually gathers statistics of sexuality.

I also explained the methodology used, and stated that my guesstimate was about 40,000 - not 50,000 as you had me saying.

I stand by my figures.

As for why it's sueful to know - if I were in business and wanted to target a particular market that traditionally has disposable income, I'd be VERY interested in knowing how big that market is.

Apart form that - doesn't bother me a whit. It's an interesting statistical excercise and I have to wonder why some people get so wound up by it. :)

What I would like to know is why gay people (or anyone for that matter) needs to refer to a 'gay community'?

Is there a community for 'straight people', or 'blonde men' or 'people with a squint'? .... No, so why the need for gay people to be segregated into their own 'community'? .

Because if two gay men went into a pub in Sheffield and started kissing they'd probably get the s**t beaten out of them. At least if they have somewhere like Canal Street in Manchester and you're straight and in that area, you know what to expect on 'their' turf.

There are some pubs I wouldn't consider frequenting, due to the clientelle or their football affiliations, it's just the same.

Same goes with afro-carribean or irish social clubs. Or any club for that matter. A little segregation is good now and then.

as a man oringinally from sheffield i met many gay people,who were probably better people than many straight friends,this thread is annoying most gay people couldnt give a toss what people think

I wish:hihi::hihi:

Your not alone, I do too.

And these are the people who say they are no different to anyone else, yet need their own community, seems a bit like they want it to be all one way traffic.

Everybody is different - whether gay or straight - we're not all clones. It's more a case of we're as Good As You, not in any way inferior because our sexuality is not the same as yours.

As for having our "own community", what about football fans who support a particular team all congregating in one particular pub - isn't that creating their "own community"? Or bikers who go on runs into the country and all end up at one particular place - isn't that also creating their "own community"? People who follow a particular religion all gathering together to worship also form their "own community".

I think you'll find that it's human nature for people to get together with other people who have similar interests/outlooks/opinions, etc, the gay "community" is therefore merely following social norms.

Everybody is different - whether gay or straight - we're not all clones. It's more a case of we're as Good As You, not in any way inferior because our sexuality is not the same as yours.

As for having our "own community", what about football fans who support a particular team all congregating in one particular pub - isn't that creating their "own community"? Or bikers who go on runs into the country and all end up at one particular place - isn't that also creating their "own community"? People who follow a particular religion all gathering together to worship also form their "own community".

I think you'll find that it's human nature for people to get together with other people who have similar interests/outlooks/opinions, etc, the gay "community" is therefore merely following social norms.


Quoting we're as good as you seems to infer that you think your not, or is it just a card to pull out when its not going your way,
I don't say your not as good as me or anyone else,
I also don't go running round saying look at me I'm straight and demand everyone should agree and appease me, you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, but don't expect me to agree with it.

If there was no one shouting look at me there would'nt be so many tiresome threads on the forum.
If I were an outsider of the forum looking in these days, I'd think twice about joining, it seems to be going away from a family friendly forum.

If I were an outsider of the forum looking in these days, I'd think twice about joining, it seems to be going away from a family friendly forum.

It is a bit gay obsessed lately.

Do you mean how many gay people are there in Sheffield? estimates vary but one in 12 is in the right ball park, this means 43000 in the city.

43000 people in sheffield and I cant find a decent looking girl to date! any takers? Im an attractive lesbian, which is a bonus! :hihi:

It is a bit gay obsessed lately.

Don't worry. It's bus drivers next, followed by teachers!

Don't worry. It's bus drivers next, followed by teachers!

Where do Muslims and binmen feature in this future schedule ?

Where do Muslims and binmen feature in this future schedule ?

After roads but before cyclists.

you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, but don't expect me to agree with it.


You really don't know anything about gay people do you, "we do not choose this lifestyle", we didn't one day just wake up "gay", we were born this way, we do not have a choice:rant::rant:

After roads but before cyclists.

You can measure the number of muslims because they can state their faith on a census. You can find out how many bin men there are by ringing up the council. But if I started a thread saying that 1 person in 12 is a binman and I know that because I am a binman and so are all my mates then you might think I was barking. If my evidence was that I lived in an area where some other bin men lived and that a survey had asked 200 men if they had ever put the rubbish out then you might think I was deluded. As soon as we question similar stats which affect a tiny minority of the population who happen to be gay, then we must be homophobes.

Funnily enough its much the same with cyclists. I might not see one from one day to the next (IT'S TOO HILLY!) but the council is desperate to build cycle paths all other the place.

43000 people in sheffield and I cant find a decent looking girl to date! any takers? Im an attractive lesbian, which is a bonus! :hihi:

I think I have the only other attractive lesbian as a girlfriend, looks like you will just have to keep looking.:hihi::hihi::hihi:

After roads but before cyclists.

What about gay cycling teachers who are muslims? They must really hate this forum!

Funnily enough its much the same with cyclists. I might not see one from one day to the next (IT'S TOO HILLY!) but the council is desperate to build cycle paths all other the place.

So they (the cyclists) must exist, even though you pesonally don't see many of them ?

What about gay cycling teachers who are muslims? They must really hate this forum!

Not true.

My ex-dance teacher, Hazim Al- Benjani, used to love the forum. "Annoni-mouse" he used to say " I like nothing better than slipping off my bicycle clips after a hard days work, putting my Dusty Springfield CD on and while away the hours on SF"

Poor Hazim. Visited his parents in Tehran and no ones heard from him since:confused:

So they (the cyclists) must exist, even though you pesonally don't see many of them ?

We do, although we tend to hang out in the cyclist's quarter where we can be ourselves without getting so much hassle from the binmen.

You really don't know anything about gay people do you, "we do not choose this lifestyle", we didn't one day just wake up "gay", we were born this way, we do not have a choice:rant::rant:

You presume too much, you are not born "gay" as you put it you are born with a gender identity disorder, having known a guy who had the sex change operation, dont presume i don't know what i'm talking about,
I dont have to be gay to understand your condition, you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, just as a person born with no arms or legs does, or dare I say it, a straight person.

And you say we, -separating yourself again see.

I dont have to be gay to understand your condition, you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, just as a person born with no arms or legs does, or dare I say it, a straight person.


people choose to have no arms or legs ?

people choose to have no arms or legs ?

You stop that Nick2:)

You presume too much, you are not born "gay" as you put it you are born with a gender identity disorder, having known a guy who had the sex change operation, dont presume i don't know what i'm talking about,
I dont have to be gay to understand your condition, you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, just as a person born with no arms or legs does, or dare I say it, a straight person.

And you say we, -separating yourself again see.

Umm, Im a lesbian and I dont have a "gender identity disorder", as Im perfectly happy being a woman! I just fancy other women, so Im not sure how that is a "gender identity" issue. As it sounds as if it makes reference to your personal gender.
I could of read this totally wrong tho and not understood so do excuse me if so :)

I think I have the only other attractive lesbian as a girlfriend, looks like you will just have to keep looking.:hihi::hihi::hihi:

Damit!
and were did you find her, cos Im having no joy here!!

Quoting we're as good as you seems to infer that you think your not, or is it just a card to pull out when its not going your way,
I don't say your not as good as me or anyone else,
I also don't go running round saying look at me I'm straight and demand everyone should agree and appease me, you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, but don't expect me to agree with it.

If there was no one shouting look at me there would'nt be so many tiresome threads on the forum.
If I were an outsider of the forum looking in these days, I'd think twice about joining, it seems to be going away from a family friendly forum.

I was responding to this post of yours "And these are the people who say they are no different to anyone else, yet need their own community, seems a bit like they want it to be all one way traffic." (my bold and italics)

I was trying to point out - in the simplest possible way, so that you could understand - that people who are gay do not claim to be no different to straight people, because everybody is different to everybody else. But different doesn't mean inferior.

How anybody could interpret the statement "I'm as good as you" as meaning I think I'm not as good as you, is beyond my comprehension! (That means I don't understand how anybody could so stupid that they could read it that way.)

I didn't choose to be gay - I am gay. I do choose the lifestyle I live - which I am perfectly entitled to do. And I certainly don't give a kipper's dick whether you approve of my choice or not.

If the forum is so little to your liking, then why keep posting - I'm sure we could all live without your little gems of wisdom.

I was responding to this post of yours "And these are the people who say they are no different to anyone else, yet need their own community, seems a bit like they want it to be all one way traffic." (my bold and italics)

I was trying to point out - in the simplest possible way, so that you could understand - that people who are gay do not claim to be no different to straight people, because everybody is different to everybody else. But different doesn't mean inferior.

How anybody could interpret the statement "I'm as good as you" as meaning I think I'm not as good as you, is beyond my comprehension! (That means I don't understand how anybody could so stupid that they could read it that way.)

I didn't choose to be gay - I am gay. I do choose the lifestyle I live - which I am perfectly entitled to do. And I certainly don't give a kipper's dick whether you approve of my choice or not.

If the forum is so little to your liking, then why keep posting - I'm sure we could all live without your little gems of wisdom.

The forum is to my liking, it's just being spoiled as a family orienated forum by a minority who seem to think that they should be treat differently than anyone else, and anyone who speaks up against it has a label pinned on them.
And as the site doesn't seem to have an age limit
I certainly wouldn't want any younger members reading some of the stuff that gets put on here.

The forum is to my liking, it's just being spoiled as a family orienated forum by a minority who seem to think that they should be treat differently than anyone else,
Yeah, homophobes are everywhere you look aren't they?

and anyone who speaks up against it has a label pinned on them.
Yes, they get called 'lefties', the PC brigade, labelled as potential paedophiles and likened to those who like sex with animals

And as the site doesn't seem to have an age limit
I certainly wouldn't want any younger members reading some of the stuff that gets put on here.
If you have any children, what they look at on the internet is your responsibility and no-one elses.

Yeah, homophobes are everywhere you look aren't they?


Yes, they get called 'lefties', the PC brigade, labelled as potential paedophiles and likened to those who like sex with animals


If you have any children, what they look at on the internet is your responsibility and no-one elses.

Wondered how long it would be before the grounbait drew you in you must have no lips left.

Mod. Note

Many posts ago I mentioned that I would dish out a few bans if the thread went off topic or descended in to abuse.

We seem to be approaching that point.

No further warnings will be given - play nice.

Thank you.

You presume too much, you are not born "gay" as you put it you are born with a gender identity disorder, having known a guy who had the sex change operation, dont presume i don't know what i'm talking about,
I dont have to be gay to understand your condition, you choose the lifestyle you want to lead, just as a person born with no arms or legs does, or dare I say it, a straight person.

And you say we, -separating yourself again see.

you definitely don't know what you are talking about, retep.

Being Gay and being Transgendered are two different things. Someone transgendered may be gay, (I know/ knew of two trangendered M to f who are lesbian) but it's not a hard and fast rule. You don't have to be gay to be transgendered, you don't have to be transgendered to be gay.

someone gay is attracted to those of the same gender someone gay does not necessarily consider thier physical gender at odds with their psychological gender. Simply put, someone transgendered (or Gender Dysphoric) is someone who considers their true gender to be different than that expressed by their physical genital gender.

you definitely don't know what you are talking about, retep.

Being Gay and being Transgendered are two different things. Someone transgendered may be gay, (I know/ knew of two trangendered M to f who are lesbian) but it's not a hard and fast rule. You don't have to be gay to be transgendered, you don't have to be transgendered to be gay.

someone gay is attracted to those of the same gender someone gay does not necessarily consider thier physical gender at odds with their psychological gender. Simply put, someone transgendered (or Gender Dysphoric) is someone who considers their true gender to be different than that expressed by their physical genital gender.

Well there you go, you seem to be the expert, perhaps you should go in for a degree.

Leaving this thread now as it shouldnt be resurrected.

Leaving this thread now as it shouldnt be resurrected.

Good idea. It makes you look stupid also.

Good idea. It makes you look stupid also.

Perhaps Joe should have a look at your last remark.

Perhaps Joe should have a look at your last remark.
Perhaps you should review your comment about transgender people - it shows a complete lack of understanding about the subject matter which you obviously feel so compelled to comment upon.

Retep - just walk away. I've looked at some posts from you as well and to be honest if I start issuing bans you'd be on that list as well as a few others.

Let's just remember - if you have nothing useful / relevant or pleasant to say, say nowt. As I frequently point out - it is possible to debate any issues without personal abuse and general offensiveness.

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The forum is to my liking, it's just being spoiled as a family orienated forum by a minority who seem to think that they should be treat differently than anyone else, and anyone who speaks up against it has a label pinned on them.
And as the site doesn't seem to have an age limit
I certainly wouldn't want any younger members reading some of the stuff that gets put on here.

Well why dont you have a look at the amount of threads which have been going lately about homosexuals, you will find they are NOT started by, what you call, the minority, but by people who obviously have a "problem" with the gay population, we are not being asked to be treated differently it just, for some bizzare reason, having a few threads on it.

Back to the question - who cares how big the gay community is, we are just getting on with our lives.

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Back to the question - who cares how big the gay community is, we are just getting on with our lives.

actually i did care - but as it's turning into an "us" and "them" debate again i'm starting to loose interest.

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actually i did care - but as it's turning into an "us" and "them" debate again i'm starting to loose interest.

I doubt anyone know how big the gay community is.

There are 2 clubs and 1 pub, but thats not including the pubs which are gay friendly which the gay population do drink in.

Its a question, I feel no one knows the answer to.

Pick a number :)

Damit!
and were did you find her, cos Im having no joy here!!

Not on the gay scene. Don't know if that is relevant but we have been together for four years now. I will keep my eye out for a goodun for you, just let me know what type you like.:hihi::hihi: