from Hollywood RAg:

Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Jon Bon Jovi Says These Guys Can’t Fill a Bar
Jon Bon Jovi has taken a swipe at British music stars Oasis and Robbie Williams, claiming they "couldn't fill a bar".

The Bon Jovi frontman says rockers Oasis are arrogant without substance, while Robbie's music is so bad he "couldn't even sell 500 tickets".

He said: "Robbie Williams? That guy couldn't even fill a bar. He couldn't sell 500 tickets.

"Oasis couldn't fill a bar either - and they're full of themselves."

The 45-year-old singer also blasted notorious Babyshambles frontman Pete Doherty, claiming he hasn't even heard any of his music.

He added to Glamour magazine: "We're not familiar with Pete Doherty in the US other than his antics and the fact that he's always in trouble - I've never heard a single one of his songs."

Jon also launched an attack on English soccer star David Beckham, who recently moved to the US to play for Los Angeles Galaxy, suggesting he is "past his prime".

On Saturday night (09.01.07) Jon threw a lavish party at his East Hampton home.

Guests included Bruce Springsteen, Sir Paul McCartney, Billy Joel and former Pink Floyd star Roger Waters.

Oasis probably couldn't fill a bar in the US - very few British bands have made it big in America. Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, The Police, Depeche Mode..can't think of any more.

Jon also launched an attack on English soccer star David Beckham, who recently moved to the US to play for Los Angeles Galaxy, suggesting he is "past his prime".

Well said, Jon "Poodle Perm, Hasn't Had A Hit For 15 Years" Bon Jovi!
Who says Americans don't do irony?

Who says Americans don't do irony?

Can't he afford to get a maid to do that?

Well said, Jon "Poodle Perm, Hasn't Had A Hit For 15 Years" Bon Jovi!
Who says Americans don't do irony?


Good point!

Oasis will be remembered LONG after Mr Bon Jovi is even more of a faded memory than he is currently... remind me, who is he again? A failed actor I thought? :hihi:

StarSparkle

Can't he afford to get a maid to do that?

Nah, he's probably too busy using the iron to flatten his ridiculous-looking perm.

StarSparkle

I think his comments regarding Oasis were misquoted. It should read 'Oasis can't fill a bar of music without "borrowing" from the works of other artists, namely the Beatles and inparticular, John Lennon.'

I think he's right although he's said it all wrong. Everyone knows Oasis and the not-come-out-of-the-closet-yet one from Take That survive these days more on who they were than the music (or if you prefer, dirge) they churn out nowadays.

Funny how Williams could hardly get to sing on any of Take That's dismal output and yet when he launches a solo career, suddenly he's the best male vocalist Britain ever produced. He got lucky with a good song writer in Guy Chambers. Oasis should have called it a day after What's The Story IMO.

But then again, so should Mr White Teeth and Blowdried Hair Jon and his Bon Jovials. Boring and predictable soft rock (AOR which equals MOR) which caters for the nothing-too-trying Yank audience.

We could put Bonny Jonny, Our Robbie and Oasis (wi' Aar Kid in it) in a studio and we'd have the musical equivallent of a Leeds United. Everybody you hate with a passion all performing in the same team.

Bring it on (just make sure I'm on my holidays at the time).

Go on Jon Bon, you the man!

Good point!

Oasis will be remembered LONG after Mr Bon Jovi is even more of a faded memory than he is currently... remind me, who is he again? A failed actor I thought? :hihi:

StarSparkle

Yeah as a crap plagerising band, Oasis are over-rated to the maximum, they believe themselves to be the best band ever!

How wrong they are, one thing they did have were good music writers, namely messers Lennon and McCartney!

Yeah as a crap plagerising band, Oasis are over-rated to the maximum, they believe themselves to be the best band ever!

How wrong they are, one thing they did have were good music writers, namely messers Lennon and McCartney!

Mmmm, that "Frog Chorus" is a masterpiece, isn't it? :P :hihi: Calm down, calm down.... :D

I think Oasis have a much securer place in the pantheon of rock history than Bon (boring, AOR, horribly bland) Jovi.

I know which of the two bands I'd pick to see in a heartbeat.

StarSparkle

Mmmm, that "Frog Chorus" is a masterpiece, isn't it? :P :hihi: Calm down, calm down.... :D

I think Oasis have a much securer place in the pantheon of rock history than Bon (boring, AOR, horribly bland) Jovi.

I know which of the two bands I'd pick to see in a heartbeat.

StarSparkle

Me too, Jovi would win hands down :P

Me too, Jovi would win hands down :P

And here. Who wants to see a **** in a parka staring at his shoes and jangling a tambourine? I'd rather have fireworks and jackets with tassels under the arms.

Get back in the Helicopter Jon.

Is it true that Paul Weller was walking in a centre when he saw a portrait of that oaf McCartney - and promptly gobbed on it?

Good man Weller!

Is he still wearing 1980's sweatbands?




(1970's in Britain)

Get back in the Helicopter Jon.

Is it true that Paul Weller was walking in a centre when he saw a portrait of that oaf McCartney - and promptly gobbed on it?

Good man Weller!

I doubt there's any truth in that.

Get back in the Helicopter Jon.

Is it true that Paul Weller was walking in a centre when he saw a portrait of that oaf McCartney - and promptly gobbed on it?

Good man Weller!

I seem to remember reading somthing like this.

Oasis sold out Madison square Gardens last year and didn’t Robbie Williams sell out three nights a Knebworth a few years ago?

I'm not much of a Beatles fan... or Paul Weller come to that but true or not, it's not big or clever to go around spitting on anyone.

I suspect that Paul Weller would win the 2007 Pretentious Stakes if up against McCartney.

Get back in the Helicopter Jon.

Is it true that Paul Weller was walking in a centre when he saw a portrait of that oaf McCartney - and promptly gobbed on it?

Good man Weller!

Indeed so! Love it! :hihi: John Lennon was the legend - McCartney merely rode on his coat-tails

StarSparkle

Nah, that's an amateurs view of it! McCartney had plenty of talent and was no idiot... unlike Lennon.



(Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

Sitting in my enormous mansion with a $50,000 piano)

Nah, that's an amateurs view of it! McCartney had plenty of talent and was no idiot... unlike Lennon.



(Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

Sitting in my enormous mansion with a $50,000 piano)

Ouch, that's very harsh!

At least Lennon's heart was in the right place - and the above is one of the most beautiful songs of all time. Can you imagine in your wildest dreams McCartney writing it? No chance

StarSparkle

Hey Jude
???

I'm not much of a Beatles fan but it's not exactly McCartneys worst hour.


Anyway back to the point, what was Bon Jovis last crowd?

Hey Jude
???

I'm not much of a Beatles fan but it's not exactly McCartneys worst hour.


Anyway back to the point, what was Bon Jovis last crowd?

Yeah, ok, that's one - "Hey Jude" is a great song, but it's far and away McCartney's best effort - and even then it's very repetitive...

StarSparkle

Paul McCartney is a melodic genius, Lennon was a fantastic lyricist, the two together were fantastic. Oasis, Robbie Williams and Bon Jovi aren't in my record collection.

Paul McCartney is a melodic genius, Lennon was a fantastic lyricist, the two together were fantastic. Oasis, Robbie Williams and Bon Jovi aren't in my record collection.

If you like basic ditties.... pesonally, I get bored with that sort of thing very quickly. "Mulligan's Tyres" anyone? Total dirge

StarSparkle

Oasis probably couldn't fill a bar in the US - very few British bands have made it big in America. Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, The Police, Depeche Mode..can't think of any more.


Never heard of Oasis or Williams in the States.

Never heard of Oasis or Williams in the States.

You can't have been listening very hard, Poppins! :D

StarSparkle

If you like basic ditties.... pesonally, I get bored with that sort of thing very quickly. "Mulligan's Tyres" anyone? Total dirge

StarSparkle

I love some of your replies. Give us one good Oasis song that isn't repetitive, a John Lennon rip off, will be remembered after many generations and was actually any good. Oasis just filled a gap in the market at the time, they did nothing new, ground breaking or even any good. I was always a Blur, Space or Pulp fan myself.

Excuse me Mr Jovi, but Oasis patently CAN fill a bar - specifically the Leadmill bar back in the early 90s which was rammed while they were onstage because they were kerrr-appp. ;)

Mr Jovi is also rubbish...

I seem to remember that The Ramones couldn't fill a bar in their own country, but they were hailed as geniuses over here.

They were finally inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002 and recently voted the best ever Rock and Roll band (I think that one was Rolling Stone magazine).

Which goes to show that the yanks are backwards as a music appreciating audience, and the Brits, by and large, are usually on the button.

And let's face it, Guns and Roses were dire. Poodle-haired soft rock was never, EVER cool, no matter how many bars it could fill.

You can't have been listening very hard, Poppins! :D

StarSparkle

Can't hear you Star, what did you say ? :D

I seem to remember that The Ramones couldn't fill a bar in their own country, but they were hailed as geniuses over here.

They were finally inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002 and recently voted the best ever Rock and Roll band (I think that one was Rolling Stone magazine).

Which goes to show that the yanks are backwards as a music appreciating audience, and the Brits, by and large, are usually on the button.

And let's face it, Guns and Roses were dire. Poodle-haired soft rock was never, EVER cool, no matter how many bars it could fill.

And that has what to do with Jon Bon Jovi exactly? ;)

Seriously though, your point about American and British music tastes is interesting. I think it is because music is so subjective, and that any individual's perception of music is based on their own culture. Yanks, for instance, wouldn't get the sound of Sheffield's own Pulp with Jarvis Cocker's interpretation of modern-day inner-city life. It would mean nothing to them at all. By the same token, Country and Western doesn't translate well into English culture (personally it is pretty much the only style of music I cannot bear to listen to).

It's all well and good to say that Yanks don't have good taste compared to ours, and I would like to agree, but lets not forget that a hell of a lot of great music has come out of the States over the years.

Can't hear you Star, what did you say ? :D

Turn that hearing aid up a bit! :P

StarSparkle :)

I seem to remember that The Ramones couldn't fill a bar in their own country, but they were hailed as geniuses over here.

They were finally inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002 and recently voted the best ever Rock and Roll band (I think that one was Rolling Stone magazine).

Which goes to show that the yanks are backwards as a music appreciating audience, and the Brits, by and large, are usually on the button.

And let's face it, Guns and Roses were dire. Poodle-haired soft rock was never, EVER cool, no matter how many bars it could fill.


Excellent post, Ant - well said.

Apart, that is, from the Guns n Roses comment.... :suspect:

StarSparkle

Oasis probably couldn't fill a bar in the US - very few British bands have made it big in America. Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, The Police, Depeche Mode..can't think of any more.

Hi. Oasis sold out Madison Square Garden (10,000 seats including floor) in May 2005. They still sell in the States. Also loads of British bands have made it in the states: Radiohead, The Streets, Arctic Monkeys, Elvis Costello, the Human League, Blur (alongside with the Gorillaz and, The Good, the Bad and the Queen), Franz Ferdinand and more have all sold albums that made it into the Billboard 25.

Now Mr Williams, as much as I adore him, cant sell in the US and thats why he doesnt tour there or release records. I mean why only play ~1,000 person venue when you can just go elsewhere in the world and play to over 100,000? Plus, not everyone needs to conquer the US pop scene. America didnt really get "Take That" we were done with the prefabed music thanks to New Kids, plus all teen girls wanted Cobain not Gary Barlow.

And to Mr Bongiovi, I just have to say, selling out shows does not = creditability or ones standing in music. Just because you can sell out 65,000 seats doesnt mean your music cant suck.

Turn that hearing aid up a bit! :P

StarSparkle :)

Got to find the jar with my teeth in first, then i'll look for that ear thingie :confused:

Surely it would be more enjoyable to attack a member of your family with a knife than listen to Bon Jovi. Or Robbie Williams for that matter.

I seem to remember that The Ramones couldn't fill a bar in their own country, but they were hailed as geniuses over here.

They were finally inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002 and recently voted the best ever Rock and Roll band (I think that one was Rolling Stone magazine).

Which goes to show that the yanks are backwards as a music appreciating audience, and the Brits, by and large, are usually on the button.

And let's face it, Guns and Roses were dire. Poodle-haired soft rock was never, EVER cool, no matter how many bars it could fill.

You are so wrong about guns n roses.

You are so wrong about guns n roses.

Oh no he's bloody not! Nice one Ant! As a lifelong rock and metal fan, i could never understand the appeal of this 3rd-rate Aerosmith tribute band. Axl Rose is a complete and utter ****. Slash is cool, though..

Indeed so! Love it! :hihi: John Lennon was the legend - McCartney merely rode on his coat-tails

StarSparkle

Come on StarSparkle, that's pants and you know it!

It was McCartney who impressed an inebriated Lennon on that hot day in July 1957 at the Woolton Church Fate because McCartney knew actual guitar chords (which he used to good effect on Twenty Flight Rock, a song he knew inside out). Lennon only played banjo chords and often forgot songs' lyrics. It was Lennon who wanted McCartney in HIS band.

Moreover, the Beatles would have finished during the sessions to Sgt. Peppers as Lennon was that far out on drugs (and nearly threw himself off the roof of Abbey Road studio). Lennon's input to Peppers is minimal, especially when compared to his input on Revolver (IMO, the top of the ladder for the Beatles as a working band). It was McCartney's direction during Pepper and after Epstein's early death in the summer of 1967 that kept the Beatles going. Whilst the Mystery Tour film was panned by the critics - it was shown in black and white on Boxing Day in 1967, a psychedelic film doesn't quite do itself justice in b & w - the music was still of the highest quality. Lennon's tour de force was I Am The Walrus, Paul's was both the soundtrack and the beautiful Fool On The Hill.

Lennon's contribution to the Beatles faded after 1967, McCartney was still exploding with ideas and melodic creativity. Paul was giving us Hey Jude while Lennon was giving us Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me and My Monkey. (Admittedly, Lennon DID give us Sexy Sadie and Julia at this time.) Paul, once more under the guidance of George Martin got the band to give us one last magical offering in Abbey Road. Again, John gave us Come Together (not one of my favourite tracks) and I Want You (She's So Heavy). Paul gave us the medley on side two and Oh! Darling (although again, he went way off the mark by subjecting us to Maxwell's Silver Hammer).

George usurped them all: He gave us Here Comes The Sun and Something, better than anything Paul and John were writing at that time.

I am not underestimating Lennon's contribution to the Beatles, I loved them all, but Paul constantly gets torn to pieces and whilst some of his solo output is dodgy, his input to the Beatles is almost faultless.

All My Loving * Can't Buy Me Love * And I Love Her * The Night Before * Yesterday * I'm Down * You Won't See Me * Drive My Car * Michelle * We Can Work It Out * Here, There & Everywhere * For No-One (my favourite Macca Beatles track) * Eleanor Rigby * Sgt. Pepper * Fixing A Hole * She's Leaving Home * Lovely Rita * The Fool On The Hill * Back In The USSR * Birthday * Blackbird * Mother Nature's Son * Helter Skelter * The Long and Winding Road * Let It Be * Lady Madonna * Hey Jude * Oh! Darling * Abbey Road Medley

And this between the age of 21 and 28!

Get back in the Helicopter Jon.

Is it true that Paul Weller was walking in a centre when he saw a portrait of that oaf McCartney - and promptly gobbed on it?

Good man Weller!

No it was Sting he did it to.

Wow Ousetunes, you know your stuff! :cool:

I like McCartney's Beatles Stuff, some wings stuff too and even some solo stuff although I think he should have packed it in ages ago. The iconic Paul that will be remembered when he pops his clogs will be 20 year old Paul, not the one in battle courts with Heather Mills or making sausages with Linda.

Anyway, Oasis- Yes, good - write simple pop songs.
Bon Jovi - sorry i really just don't like their stuff.
Robbie Williams - I like him, he makes me laugh and i can imagine i'd find him really attractive. (I don't just to look at but he's a charmer) - oh his music? No.

Seen Bye Jovi and altho Richie Sambora is decent didnt really rate them.Seen Oasis and for me it was a better gig.

Apart, that is, from the Guns n Roses comment.... :suspect:

StarSparkle

I'm confusing my second-rate poodle-haired soft rockers.

I love both bands...

Oasis have always been real...not hidden the fact they copy other peoples stuff....said what they wanted,and are not manufactured pop gubbins

They have done very well in America,the US concerts are always packed..and the Albums usually do well over there

Bon Jovi....ive liked them for years and years...easy going simple music...i enjoy it,enjoy their songs....Ive always been a Richie S fan,more so that Jon...who i do think can be a prick sometimes....his face hasnt changed in about 10 years...surgery lol

He was however spot on about *The fat dancer from Take That* he cant actually fill a bar,as no one likes him in America....i cant be doing with Robbie W....cant sing,cant dance,looks like a muppet...is actually a muppet!!

Oh..and apart from Slash...GnR were crap!!

i love oasis and cant really think of a song that sounds like the beatles (maybe some b sides). Some of their songs however do rip off other bands, Cigs n Alch riff = T rex Get it on for example, but as Noel said, when he wrote that it was just in his flat and was on the dole.

Loads of bands take 'inspiration' from other bands work so it aint nothing new, im sure the beatles did but they also paved the way so you cant fault em.

The opening bars of Dont look back in anger is basically Imagine by Lennon....thats the most direct rip off of the Beatles....Cigs N Alch is T-rex like you say...

And yes...Bands do take inspiration from other bands..its always happened,and always will