Hells Kitchen ITV [Archive]

Ginner

04-09-2007, 23:50

They seem to be more lenient with the celebs in this one. Easier dishes?.. lower standards? (remember GR pulling the first few services before they'd finished).

Loved the way MPW dealt with that bloke who stormed up to the pass on Monday. :wave:

But like most reality TV, you just assume much of it is set up, and take it with a pinch of salt (excuse pun).

Preferred Ramsey. Obnoxious maybe, but his interchanges with his Maitre de, Jean-Claude, were hilarious.

Although Abigail Clancy is well worth watching it for :love: (although she should lose the whining Scouse accent :D )

Bago

05-09-2007, 13:29

I've been watching this along with the other programme with the other famous chef. It's all about starting new restaurant businesses.

MPW seems to be psychic. I was quite impressed with his x-ray eyes, when he flipped a plate over on one of the scrambled eggs. I also felt sorry for the girl too, cos she looked so upset, but yet, she later learnt that he flipped cos there was egg shells in it. Which was at the bottom, and even she didn't see it. How the heck does he know?? I was quite impressed with this actually. His skillset seems to be so technical that he notices the tiny minute details, and predict how the egg was cooked most probably...

"Always remember that an egg is poached in oil."
I will, I will. :hihi:

It's funny, I watched that and remember how my grand-dad used to do "pocket eggs", and it turns out perfect every single time. Now I know why...

Very very entertaining programme.
I found it quite funny when Carol Thatcher asked him to sign a book and he won't. I like his style, the guy has integrity, and works on his skills and not the publicities... :)

discodown

05-09-2007, 18:11

The guy is quality. All about the food and driven to excel

itosan

05-09-2007, 18:45

Mpw?......

Bago

05-09-2007, 20:01

MPW - Marco Pierre White.

He is the person who taught Ramsey (?), if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if they met in France first or not now. He was one of the top chef at the top of the game in the UK, with some Michelin stars behind him. There was a little bit of controversy between Gordon Ramsey and MPW over some reservation book issue or other. I remember reading this in a Sunday supplement. Basically, I think Ramsey stole MPW's clienteles to entice them to his new restaurant or something...

Following Gordon Ramsey's success in using TV to market himself and broken into the general population's arena. I think MPW is seriously giving the "hell" element into "Hell's Kitchen". (I thought that "Hell's Kitchen" is actually a recipe book? The name is used somewhere before already, if I recall.) Maybe Marco Pierre White won't do so well in the UK, but I'm sure that his food is still revered in the likes of France.

Some of the things that are cooked doesn't look very fancy to me. Though, I do like MPW's approach to food, which is similar to many housewives living in SE Asia. "If it's not fresh, I don't want it." A lot, a lot of people pay respect to food a lot lot more. I sometimes find it strange that we have this class divide, and people do not even cook for themselves or pay respect to food as we should do, cos it's a necessity in life? It's quite amusing to see that MPW can earn a lot in making something which some people can cook at home if they seriously out in the effort.

The egg test was very telling. It really did test how much people know about cooking. It's funny, my dad used to get me to learn how to fry an egg too. A crispy edge, perfect soft white, and running yolk. lol... The other thing I think is hard to do is an egg soldier. Perfect egg soldier is not easy!

itosan

05-09-2007, 20:05

MPW - Marco Pierre White.

Tnx the programme looks like Hells Kitchen meets the Apprentice ;)

Bago

05-09-2007, 20:44

I wanna be his apprentice. :love:

76 covers in 2.5 hours. On one set of menus, isn't that quite simple? :hihi:

I think the chefs aren't concentrating and focusing. Heat pan, drop in, fry for 3/4 minutes. Flip. Burn. Serve. I suppose there isn't that big a margin for errors.

It's quite funny to watch as the celebs psycho-analyse him, when he just wants to deliver a good service on the night. How hard can it be?

happyhippy

05-09-2007, 21:24

I've been watching this along with the other programme with the other famous chef. It's all about starting new restaurant businesses.

That's "The Restaurant" with the ultra-talented (so I understand) Raymond Blanc. Marco Pierre-White's recipes were often in the Independent for a while, and sound like they are to die for.

I wish I could get on the list to eat at either of their restaurants, let alone be able to afford to eat in any of them.

Bago

05-09-2007, 21:49

That's "The Restaurant" with the ultra-talented (so I understand) Raymond Blanc. Marco Pierre-White's recipes were often in the Independent for a while, and sound like they are to die for.

I wish I could get on the list to eat at either of their restaurants, let alone be able to afford to eat in any of them.
That's the one, Raymond Blanc. I watched him tonight too.

I'm a little bit surprised that MPW used a whole bottle of Worcester sauce to use as his pepper sauce too, and did not even hide this fact at all. :o :hihi:

Actually, it was pretty nice of MPW to stand by his staff's standards, when he defended them in the comments from the diners. When it was filmed here and there that some diners did not dare voice their own opinions either.

okka north

09-09-2007, 19:32

I obviously need real help - I sort of found Raymond a little attractive. I'm starting to worry that I find him attractive.

discodown

09-09-2007, 19:50

I'm a little bit surprised that MPW used a whole bottle of Worcester sauce to use as his pepper sauce too, and did not even hide this fact at all. :o :hihi:I was but then again the guy is a realist. The other week he came out and said he always has knorr stock cubes at home because they are superb.

Bago

09-09-2007, 20:14

I was but then again the guy is a realist. The other week he came out and said he always has knorr stock cubes at home because they are superb.
For a guy who can actually tell how an egg is broken and whether there's any shell left in it, and can predict how the cook must've done it, his talent is wasted in short-cutting and not being creative! It is such a shame. If using F this, F that gives you publicities, and that French Modern is considered as too posh, then he should've come out of the woodwork ages ago to fight his corner. :hihi:

I just thought that there's no way to do a great sauce from scratch by the celebrity chefs. So that's why he's resorted to such shortcuts. I wouldn't champion Knorr cubes, but maybe something like Marigold Bullions which is more natural.

Worcester sauce is naturally brewed, isn't it? Kind of like Kikkoman's soy sauce.

He comes across as a guy in pain. You can tell. I don't get why he's on this programme.

I just found this bit about him as well. He's intriguing as a person. He should be a mentor in the culinary industry continually pushing that creativity boundary or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pierre_White

The_DADDY

09-09-2007, 21:24

I think MPW is a star.
I wish i could cook just a fraction as good but what the hell is he doing sticking up for JD all the time.
I thought he was a funny man years ago, a bit raw maybe but funny.
Now i just pity him.
What a whinging tosser hes turned out to be.
If there is any justice either Paul young or Adele Silva will win it and Jim Davison will be out tomorrow night.

sTaGeWaLkEr

09-09-2007, 21:29

I'm really enjoying it. Not least because I think Angus Deayton's delivery of the wonderfully acidic one liner's is superb, but also because MPW is a real contrast to Gordon Ramsey.

I like his apparent soft edge, however I'm not totally convinced that underneath that sweet gentle exterior there isn't a fiery monster lying dormant.

Bago

09-09-2007, 21:41

Angus Deayton is so acidic that he's gonna burn himself in the next episode. I thought that it was pretty funny when one of the diners came up to the kitchen and said "Bonsoir" to MPW. He blanked her and walked away. :hihi:
1) He's got Italian roots.
2) It's not a French restaurant as such... where's the relevancy?

MPW reminds me of Alan Sugar in a way, both who doesn't find it funny for people to take the mick out of the industry that they're in.

MPW has a reputation in the kitchen, and I find that he's really moddle-coddling the chefs. Cos that isn't how a real kitchen works. "I shall take you on a journey... do not worry...." :confused: :hihi:

Why doesn't he do other programmes like the ones which Raymond Blanc is doing? To let the general public know how such industry works, and at least allow them to see what is behind the scenes. MPW should go on The Apprentice. Saying that, maybe he has a lot of proteges already.

discodown

10-09-2007, 12:23

For a guy who can actually tell how an egg is broken and whether there's any shell left in it, and can predict how the cook must've done it, his talent is wasted in short-cutting and not being creative! It is such a shame. If using F this, F that gives you publicities, and that French Modern is considered as too posh, then he should've come out of the woodwork ages ago to fight his corner. :hihi:

I just thought that there's no way to do a great sauce from scratch by the celebrity chefs. So that's why he's resorted to such shortcuts. I wouldn't champion Knorr cubes, but maybe something like Marigold Bullions which is more natural.

Worcester sauce is naturally brewed, isn't it? Kind of like Kikkoman's soy sauce.

He comes across as a guy in pain. You can tell. I don't get why he's on this programme.

I just found this bit about him as well. He's intriguing as a person. He should be a mentor in the culinary industry continually pushing that creativity boundary or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pierre_WhiteHang on a second. theres no shame in admitting that you take shortcuts at home. He should be applauded for taking the mystique out of cooking and trying to bust the aura that chefs try to cultivate for themselves.

Theres nothing wrong with knorr stock cubes, i've used them for years and its nice to know that someone whos a far greater chef than I ever was or will be agrees with me. Worcester sauce is indeed made in a similar way to soy sauce as is hendersons!

I don't think french modern is too posh I just think that French cooking is now regarded as cooking for chefs rather than people, its a bit intimidating for people to deal with.

I've got a lot of respect for the guy.

discodown

10-09-2007, 12:26

MPW reminds me of Alan Sugar in a way, both who doesn't find it funny for people to take the mick out of the industry that they're in.

MPW has a reputation in the kitchen, and I find that he's really moddle-coddling the chefs. Cos that isn't how a real kitchen works. "I shall take you on a journey... do not worry...." :confused: :hihi:Thats not molly coddling, thats just good leadership. Hes achieved far more in less time than Ramsey did simply by recognising that these people are amateurs and needs strong leadership. You know that, you've been involved in catering to an extent.

As head chef, ultimately it is down to him. He sets the pace, tone and emotion of the kitchen. He is trying to cultivate a calm, supportive atmosphere and his people are responding. I say good on him.

affirm18

10-09-2007, 14:02

Angus Deyton is a moron! All he does is read an autocue!
I've just got the MPW autobiography to read, v.interesting. Gives you an idea of why he has the ideas he has.

Heckler

10-09-2007, 14:48

Deyton writes the script. So he is at least reading words that he has written. Some of it is pretty funny but I don't really like the show

weenireeni

10-09-2007, 20:34

discodown

10-09-2007, 20:40

haddockman

10-09-2007, 20:46

nationalist

10-09-2007, 20:53

isnt this just big brother in the kitchen

Darkoak

10-09-2007, 20:59

Halibut

10-09-2007, 21:03

The programme's done nothing to alter my opinion that Jim Davidson is an obnoxious cretin...

Halibut

10-09-2007, 21:05

Darkoak

10-09-2007, 21:24

The programme's done nothing to alter my opinion that Jim Davidson is an obnoxious cretin...

And with the amount of crap that he has just spouted, any chance of him resurrecting his career has been thrown away... (thankfully)

discodown

10-09-2007, 21:24

Isn't brian just a big whiny baby?

Bago

10-09-2007, 21:31

Isn't brian just a big whiny baby?
I don't think that he was ingenuine, even though it comes across that way.

I saw the part where the pigeons were prepared, and I am shocked that the celebrities are so shocked at having to do it. This really just emphasized the point that as eaters, we are so detached from reality.

To answer your previous post. I don't think that MPW is a good leader here in this instance by using this moddle-coddling style of training to the chefs. If in the real world, if you don't deliver, you're out. When and how do you have time to train chefs slowly and surely? If the celebrity chefs were keen to learn, then I'm sure they would've picked it up quicker cos they would've done their homework already. Just how many trainee chefs would love for such opportunities?

happyhippy

10-09-2007, 21:34

The programme's done nothing to alter my opinion that Jim Davidson is an obnoxious cretin...

Join arms, comrade .......

happyhippy

10-09-2007, 21:34

And with the amount of crap that he has just spouted, any chance of him resurrecting his career has been thrown away... (thankfully)

Join arms, comrade .......

Halibut

10-09-2007, 21:40

Join arms, comrade .......

Did you see his hideous 'poor me, everyones picking on me' routine this evening after he'd reduced Brian to tears? What a loser.

Tarquin

10-09-2007, 21:59

Brian brought himself to tears

little_m

10-09-2007, 22:09

The programme's done nothing to alter my opinion that Jim Davidson is an obnoxious cretin...

Couldn't MPW shoot and roast him.

little_m

10-09-2007, 22:10

Brian brought himself to tears

Whereas Jim Davidosn just brings himself off :hihi:

Tarquin

10-09-2007, 22:29

Whereas Jim Davidosn just brings himself off :hihi:

Is he still married ?:hihi:

little_m

10-09-2007, 22:32

Is he still married ?:hihi:

No hence the highly probable bouts of self pollution he indulges in. The closest he gets to a gorgeous blonde now days is in the latest grumble mag he has bought. :hihi:

Tarquin

10-09-2007, 22:49

Isn't brian just a big whiny baby?

But Celebrity ?

Halibut

10-09-2007, 22:51

But Celebrity ?

He was on Big Brother. That counts these days. Apparently.

happyhippy

10-09-2007, 23:13

Did you see his hideous 'poor me, everyones picking on me' routine this evening after he'd reduced Brian to tears? What a loser.

Unfortunately I subjected myself to this charade. I actually used to have some time for him as he took the p**s out of everyone in base terms, but did the same to himself too on stage. He was never afraid to have a joke about a drunk womaniser from Deptford (I think).

If you can extract urine from yourself, and let it it rain down upon yourself, then I think you're entitled to have a pop at anyone in that sphere, but what a spoilt brat he has shown himself to be.

Kingmaker2

11-09-2007, 02:43

Is anybody else really disgusted by tonights show?? I personally am watching the show to see how the celebs can cook - not how MPW can shoot deer!! I think it's really inapproriate

It's bad enough we have to see the pigeon intinately, but at least that's the food prep! MPW shooting is just so unneccessary :(

And yes I know it has to be killed to be eaten, but I don't need to see it on TV
:gag::loopy:

Whilst it's not the most pleasant of viewing on TV seeing a deer being stalked and shot, I can't say that it was "really disgusting". If you eat meat at all or even just cook it ,then you can't really complain that the act of killing your meat is digusting since that is the beginning of the process turning animals into food.
If you have a problem with animals being killed, and if you are true to your own emotions that cause you to feel so disgusted, then you should also be disgusted at yourself by eating meat.
The truth hurts sometimes, and just seeing your meat as neatly packaged food items that appear in the supermarket is just shielding you from the reality.
I totally agree with other posters, that there should be more programs to educate people of how animals are slaughtered. The recent BBC programs which showed "live" and uncut footage animals in the slaughter house, then being cut up by the butcher, and then cooked by chefs and served to the slaughter house witnesses was certainly an eye opener. If you thought the deer footage was bad then I doubt very much you could have stomached a sinlge minute of the BBC programs!:huh:

KATIEB_23

11-09-2007, 08:19

HE KILLED BAMBI'S MUM!! :o :cry:

Guderian

11-09-2007, 12:08

He was on Big Brother. That counts these days. Apparently.

He has been on TV constantly since Big Brother, to be fair to the chap. Ok its only as a kids TV host, but nevertheless.

Guderian

11-09-2007, 12:09

Whereas Jim Davidosn just brings himself off :hihi:

Jim Davidson.
Member of the Conservative party.

Hmm.....

higgins

11-09-2007, 12:12

Spitting image of the Undertaker (wrestler)
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/undertaker/

Bago

11-09-2007, 14:53

HE KILLED BAMBI'S MUM!! :o :cry:
Ooooh, don't be dramatic. Bambi's mom died ages ago! :hihi:
That was Bambi's great-great-grand daughter now. Do keep up.

discodown

11-09-2007, 18:36

To answer your previous post. I don't think that MPW is a good leader here in this instance by using this moddle-coddling style of training to the chefs. If in the real world, if you don't deliver, you're out. When and how do you have time to train chefs slowly and surely? If the celebrity chefs were keen to learn, then I'm sure they would've picked it up quicker cos they would've done their homework already. Just how many trainee chefs would love for such opportunities?HK isn't the real world.

Shall we agree to disagree?

Bago

11-09-2007, 19:59

HK isn't the real world.

Shall we agree to disagree?
Agree that HK is not the real world.

Disagree that if you think his moddle-coddling style is actually good leadership in this instance.

He looks a little bit pained and false by using such airy fairy terms like, "I shall take you on a journey"... I don't think that this is good leadership, cos he seems to be confusing his chefs on what they need to do. lol... I sat there a bit baffled too. :hihi:

nationalist

11-09-2007, 20:23

look at brian doing a shilpa and charley

datal

11-09-2007, 21:21

look at brian doing a shilpa and charley
Hmmm......I wonder how popular your gonna be & last on the SF, not for long me thinks.

By the way (gulp!) I've had a peep at your Tranny link.......& (pant!!) I've just had to have a cold shower.:rolleyes:

datal

11-09-2007, 21:27

Jim.... he's so talented, he managed to hammer the nails into his own coffin, he's really clever.

RIP Bernard.... Sorry Jim. :wave:

nationalist

11-09-2007, 21:44

Hmmm......I wonder how popular your gonna be & last on the SF, not for long me thinks.

By the way (gulp!) I've had a peep at your Tranny link.......& (pant!!) I've just had to have a cold shower.:rolleyes:

i ate when people put me thinks just reminds me of the fat guy on simpsons in the comic shop

Tarquin

11-09-2007, 21:49

Why is Brian so loud ?

nationalist

11-09-2007, 21:52

Why is Brian so loud ?

never liked him i see they have the token scouse bird on :roll:

Smithster

11-09-2007, 22:40

Why is Brian so loud ?

Because he is an un-talented, attention-seeking drama queen who stamps his feet and sulks if he isn't centre of attention and isn't worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as the word 'celebrity' unless there is some kind of negative involved.

I used to work with a bloke exactly like him (it's scary how similar they are actually) and he would say or do absolutely anything just to draw attention to himself.

slimsid2000

12-09-2007, 15:18

Who is Brian anyway? I have not come accross him before.

I think Jim Davidson is pretty unfunny at the best of times and can be unforgivable offensive but from what I saw last night his comments were pretty mild on this occasion and quite frankly Brian (??) seemed pretty thinn skinned.

foz100

12-09-2007, 18:04

I've heard Jim Davidson has been acting a bit of a bell must catch it tonight

discodown

12-09-2007, 20:48

Disagree that if you think his moddle-coddling style is actually good leadership in this instance.

He looks a little bit pained and false by using such airy fairy terms like, "I shall take you on a journey"... I don't think that this is good leadership, cos he seems to be confusing his chefs on what they need to do. lol... I sat there a bit baffled too. :hihi:What would you have him do? Bellow obcenities at them until they get it right? They aren't employees they don't actually care. In this instance I think hes right on the money with them.

Bago

12-09-2007, 21:40

What would you have him do? Bellow obcenities at them until they get it right? They aren't employees they don't actually care. In this instance I think hes right on the money with them.
A lot of the celebrity chefs actually bring real life elements to the show. He erm, hasn't...and I was wondering why, that's all. I do think that he is moddle-coddling them. He has a reputation for being even more fiery than Ramsey. So, to see that he hasn't shown his true side, but this kind of "airy fairy" side was kinda interesting, that is all. :P

Plus his body language isn't really in tune with what he is saying. Kinda interesting when there were moments whereby you can see that he wants to say something, but he doesn't.

Kingmaker2

12-09-2007, 22:48

A lot of the celebrity chefs actually bring real life elements to the show. He erm, hasn't...and I was wondering why, that's all. I do think that he is moddle-coddling them. He has a reputation for being even more fiery than Ramsey.

Well he actually said a few nights back that he hates swearing,
you've also got to remember that he hasn't actually been in the Kitchen for 7 years. Mr. White must be doing something right for both teams to get such high scores consistently.
I can't remember Gordon Ramsey,Jean Cristof or Gary Rhodes ever getting those types of scores night after night.

Bago

12-09-2007, 23:09

Well he actually said a few nights back that he hates swearing,
you've also got to remember that he hasn't actually been in the Kitchen for 7 years. Mr. White must be doing something right for both teams to get such high scores consistently.
I can't remember Gordon Ramsey,Jean Cristof or Gary Rhodes ever getting those types of scores night after night.
I haven't really seen the original Hell's Kitchen, which Ramsey started, I think.

Do you think that the score is high because the recipes are easy? ...

Halibut

12-09-2007, 23:36

Do you think that the score is high because the recipes are easy? ...

No. I think it's high because the celebs have worked damned hard under intensive professional guidance.

Tarquin

13-09-2007, 07:08

No. I think it's high because the celebs have worked damned hard under intensive professional guidance.

I love sarcasm

Tarquin

13-09-2007, 07:10

Because he is an un-talented, attention-seeking drama queen who stamps his feet and sulks if he isn't centre of attention and isn't worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as the word 'celebrity' unless there is some kind of negative involved.

I used to work with a bloke exactly like him (it's scary how similar they are actually) and he would say or do absolutely anything just to draw attention to himself.

Totally agree with you