A couple of questions. What is Sheffield ranked in size of the cities of Britain? Are any of the larger cities hillier than Sheffield. I know Manchester isn't , maybe Edinburgh?

Fourth biggest, no idea about hilliest etc.

Thanks Zebra, whats the top three, or should I say the top two after the Smoke

Originally posted by buck
Thanks Zebra, whats the top three, or should I say the top two after the Smoke

After London comes Birmingham and then Manchester; however these are the biggest cities in England, not Britain!

Sheffield is, I think, the 5th or 6th largest city in Britain.

Just has a look on Wikipedia, and found this:

Sheffield is a city and metropolitan borough in the north of England. The population of the City of Sheffield in 2002 was estimated at 512,242. It has grown, from its industrial roots to encompass a wide economic base and is now the third largest city in England, the fourth largest in Great Britain, and the only one in South Yorkshire.

Sheff has got to be the hilliest, maybe Bradford comes close though.

There's a whole thread elsewhere on the forum about population size and where Sheff ranks. It depends how you define cities or urban areas. But basically in Britain I'd say a useful way to look at is:

1 London
2 Manchester/Birmingham/Glasgow
3 All the other biggish cities are roughly 500,000-ish population so Sheff is joint third with about 10 others [Leeds, Newcastle, Liverpool, Bristol, Edinburgh etc] - the regional 'capitals' plus a few others.

Having lived in both cities, I would say that the hilliest city in the UK is pretty much a dead-heat between Sheffield and Edinburgh.

StarSparkle - tired of climbing hills!

ps I remember my driving instructor saying that if you can master hill-starts in Sheffield, you should be fine anywhere else in England!

i think we are built on seven hills, like er italy or somewhere.

Originally posted by leddi
i think we are built on seven hills, like er italy or somewhere.

Rome? I think there are more than seven hills in italy. :suspect: :D

Sheffield must be the only city to contain a huge area of uninhabitable moorland within the city boundaries.

I've read somewhere (can't remember where or how authentic it is) that a lot of central government funding (which pays a lot more for local services than council tax) depends on population density.

Sheffield's population density is much lower than most cities because of this.

If it's true maybe we ought to be able to count sheep and grouse as "population".

Or maybe give the moors to another local authority?

Originally posted by Kristian
Just has a look on Wikipedia, and found this:

Sheffield is a city and metropolitan borough in the north of England. The population of the City of Sheffield in 2002 was estimated at 512,242. It has grown, from its industrial roots to encompass a wide economic base and is now the third largest city in England, the fourth largest in Great Britain, and the only one in South Yorkshire.

whoa.
thats going to be a culture shock. my entire TOWN holds 300,000 people

just took this off the net
Largest Cities in the UK
This is a list of the cities in the United Kingdom.
Note that the population statistic for London refers to Greater London which according to Queen Elizabeth II is not actually a city. Her definition of 'city' differs from that of most people. (I agree with Her Maj, "Greater Anything" isn't a city in my opinion ...) I dont think the new cities that were created last year are listed?

City Population
London 7.2 Million
Birmingham 992000
Leeds 720000
Glasgow 560000
Sheffield 512000
Bradford 467000
Edinburgh 450000
Liverpool 440000
Manchester 420000
Bristol 380000
Wakefield 316000
Cardiff 310000
Coventry 305000
Nottingham 285000
Leicester 280000
Sunderland 280000
Belfast 280000
Newcastle upon Tyne 259000
Brighton 248000
Hull 240000
Plymouth 240000
Stoke-on-Trent 239000
Wolverhampton 239000
Derby 230000
Swansea 225000
Southampton 220000
Salford 215000
Aberdeen 215000
Westminster 190000
Portsmouth 186000
York 182000
Peterborough 157000
Dundee 145000
Lancaster 135000
Oxford 135000
Newport 135000
Preston 130000
St Albans 130000
Norwich 125000
Chester 118000
Cambridge 115000
Salisbury 115000
Exeter 111000
Gloucester 110000
Lisburn 110000
Chichester 108000
Winchester 108000
Londonderry 105000
Carlisle 101000
Worcester 93000
Bath 90000
Durham 87000
Lincoln 86000
Hereford 55000
Armagh 55000
Inverness 51000
Stirling 45000
Canterbury 42500
Lichfield 30000
Newry 30000
Ripon 24500
Bangor 20000
Truro 19000
Ely 14000
Wells 10000
St Davids 2000

It all depends if your going on the size of the city or people per square mile!

I was told that Leeds is the capital of Yorkshire only on the people per square mile and not by size?

Originally posted by Kerri
whoa.
thats going to be a culture shock. my entire TOWN holds 300,000 people

And your profile says you wish you lived on Industry Street? Guess you live in a kickin' town then! (that you can't / daren't mention?):confused: :loopy:

Originally posted by Kristian
And your profile says you wish you lived on Industry Street? Guess you live in a kickin' town then! (that you can't / daren't mention?):confused: :loopy:

i live in the States (for now) and my boyfriend lives on Industry Street

Originally posted by Longcol
Sheffield must be the only city to contain a huge area of uninhabitable moorland within the city boundaries.


Ranmoor ?

:0)

Originally posted by Kerri
whoa.
thats going to be a culture shock. my entire TOWN holds 300,000 people

Shouldn't be that much of a culture shock, Sheffield has about the same population as Boston (which i believe is the 20th largest city in the US). Which town has 300,000 people?

sheffield & rome are the only citys built on 7 hills.

What are the 7 hills then? Do they all have names?

As a casual observer at pedestrian level they all blur into one mass of up-and-down hilliness. Without a scale model to look at I can't really picture them as 7 separate mounds.

The one with Crookes on the top, for example, what's that called? Bole Hill?

the others? Park Hill? etc

May be big in terms of area and population, but it certainly doesn't feel big, and the city centre is tiny in terms of services and amenities available (e.g. Cambridge at the tenth of the size has more shops!)

The authorities make too many stupid boasts about Sheffield, so the visitor goes away with a bad image when he/she sees the reality.

Most visitors only see the city centre so they don't see it as 'green' at all. They see decaying concrete or red-brick. It's not really 3rd or 4th largest city in the country. It's a small city centre with less amenities than many smaller cities. Population size is due to arbitrary lines on maps that don't fit with real life.

Originally posted by Bilge
What are the 7 hills then? Do they all have names?

As a casual observer at pedestrian level they all blur into one mass of up-and-down hilliness. Without a scale model to look at I can't really picture them as 7 separate mounds.

The one with Crookes on the top, for example, what's that called? Bole Hill?

the others? Park Hill? etc

I think they are

1. Norton
2. Manor Top
3. Bradfield
4. Shirecliffe
5. Wincobank
6. Crosspool
7. Grenoside

Was said on a different thread a while back.

Originally posted by Bilge
What are the 7 hills then? Do they all have names?

As a casual observer at pedestrian level they all blur into one mass of up-and-down hilliness. Without a scale model to look at I can't really picture them as 7 separate mounds.

The one with Crookes on the top, for example, what's that called? Bole Hill?

the others? Park Hill? etc

I don't think their "hills" as such, more the tops of valleys created by the rivers that meet at Sheffield.

Originally posted by nick2
I don't think their "hills" as such, more the tops of valleys created by the rivers that meet at Sheffield.

well if they arnt" hills" then you should get intouch with all the geography teachers in sheffield & tell them they are teaching children wrong information.

Originally posted by SaxonLeigh
well if they arnt" hills" then you should get intouch with all the geography teachers in sheffield & tell them they are teaching children wrong information.

It was my geography teacher that told me that.

Originally posted by SaxonLeigh
sheffield & rome are the only citys built on 7 hills.

No, that's not correct - Edinburgh is a city built on 7 hills also ....

StarSparkle

As a very old racing cyclist I believe my climbing skills were nurtured on the hills in and around Sheffield especially the peaks. Just working the gears up from thr Wicker to Fargate was a test, but Totley to the Peacock or Foxhouse was much tougher, and as for Curbar Gap fergedaboutit. Someone mentioned Boston, Massachusetts,Since I live halfway between that city and NYC I'm familiar with it's size. Of course, NYC is enormous, but I believe Boston is well over 700,000. It's a very tricky place to get around unlike New York with it;s unique Avenue and Sreet numbering system. Second city in USA is now Los Angeles with Chicago third.

Originally posted by buck
As a very old racing cyclist I believe my climbing skills were nurtured on the hills in and around Sheffield especially the peaks. Just working the gears up from thr Wicker to Fargate was a test, but Totley to the Peacock or Foxhouse was much tougher, and as for Curbar Gap fergedaboutit. Someone mentioned Boston, Massachusetts,Since I live halfway between that city and NYC I'm familiar with it's size. Of course, NYC is enormous, but I believe Boston is well over 700,000. It's a very tricky place to get around unlike New York with it;s unique Avenue and Sreet numbering system. Second city in USA is now Los Angeles with Chicago third.

Sadly, I love reading the Time Almanac, so that's how I knew boston was about the same size as Sheffield (accoording to their figures, but i'm sure different people have different figures).... A quick look at the figures from the 2000 American Census shows these figures to compare in size with Sheffield... can't help with the hills bit though.

1. New York 8,008,278
2. Los Angeles 3,694,820
3. Chicago 2,896,016
4. Houston 1,953,631
5. Philadelphia 1,517,550
6. Phoenix 1,321,045
7. San Diego 1,223,400
8. Dallas 1,188,580
9. San Antonio 1,144,646
10. Detroit 951,270
11. San Jose 894,943
12. Indianapolis 791,926
13. San Francisco 776,733
14. Jacksonville 735,617
15. Columbus 711,470
16. Austin 656,562
17. Baltimore 651,154
18. Memphis 650,100
19. Milwaukee 596,974
20. Boston 589,141
21. Washington 572,059
22. Nashville-Davidson 569,891
23. El Paso 563,662
24. Seattle 563,374
25. Denver 554,636

The fastest growing cities are in the south, while the northen cities don't seem to be doing too well, some even getting smaller.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108676.html

Originally posted by Snook
Shouldn't be that much of a culture shock, Sheffield has about the same population as Boston (which i believe is the 20th largest city in the US). Which town has 300,000 people?

town of babylon.
it has 212,000 people (http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/muni/audits/2003/towns/babylon.htm) (i was off slightly :(.. long island itself has just under 3 million people living on it .. and its only 118 miles long (if you include brooklyn & queens into the length but sans their population)

population breaks down like this:
Size (in square miles)/Persons per Square Mile*

* Nassau: 287/4,650
* Suffolk: 912/1,556.3
(i live in suffolk county)

http://longisland.about.com/cs/governement/a/li101.htm

and kristain no offense taken :)

Originally posted by Kerri
town of babylon.
it has 212,000 people (http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/muni/audits/2003/towns/babylon.htm) (i was off slightly :(.. long island itself has just under 3 million people living on it .. and its only 118 miles long (if you include brooklyn & queens into the length but sans their population)

population breaks down like this:
Size (in square miles)/Persons per Square Mile*

* Nassau: 287/4,650
* Suffolk: 912/1,556.3
(i live in suffolk county)

http://longisland.about.com/cs/governement/a/li101.htm

and kristain no offense taken :)

Whoa, 1,556 people per square mile.... that's a lot of people in such a small place.

Our equivlent of those figures would be for South Yorkshire, as that is Sheffield's Metrolpolitan area. The population is 1.3 million, and density of 817 people per sq km. hehe, aren't statistics fun?

Just me then?

Hope you like it here anyway Kerri, culture shock or not. :)

Originally posted by Snook
Whoa, 1,556 people per square mile.... that's a lot of people in such a small place.

Our equivlent of those figures would be for South Yorkshire, as that is Sheffield's Metrolpolitan area. The population is 1.3 million, and density of 817 people per sq km. hehe, aren't statistics fun?

Just me then?

Hope you like it here anyway Kerri, culture shock or not. :)

i hope so to..
my boyfriend should help me adjust to everything :)
and when i was ther ein november it seem to be bigger than what was posted. thats was more the shock.. but he lives up in walkley.

Starsparkle ,
who was your driving instructor???
His quote sounded familiar!!!!!!

Originally posted by nick2
I don't think they're "hills" as such, more the tops of valleys created by the rivers that meet at Sheffield.
There's:
1 between Don & Don
2 between Don, Sheaf, Meersbrook
3 between Meersbrook & Sheaf
4 between Sheaf & Porter
5 between Porter, Sheaf, Don, Loxley & Rivelin
6 between Rivelin & Loxley
7 between Loxley & Don.

Maybe we should name them. Anybody for Palatine, Aventine, Capitoline, Quarinal, Viminal, Esquiline and Caelian?

--
JGH

Originally posted by buck
A couple of questions. What is Sheffield ranked in size of the cities of Britain? Are any of the larger cities hillier than Sheffield. I know Manchester isn't , maybe Edinburgh?

Only Rome is hillier than sheffield and of comparable size...apparently!

Originally posted by S5_Leg_end
Only Rome is hillier than sheffield and of comparable size...apparently!

I'm going to Rome in May so I'll let you know.

Originally posted by jgharston
There's:
1 between Don & Don
2 between Don, Sheaf, Meersbrook
3 between Meersbrook & Sheaf
4 between Sheaf & Porter
5 between Porter, Sheaf, Don, Loxley & Rivelin
6 between Rivelin & Loxley
7 between Loxley & Don.

Maybe we should name them. Anybody for Palatine, Aventine, Capitoline, Quarinal, Viminal, Esquiline and Caelian?

--
JGH

I think someone on here listed the names (mainly based on the suburbs on them) before if someone want to do a search or relist them.

Originally posted by bassplayer
Starsparkle ,
who was your driving instructor???
His quote sounded familiar!!!!!!

Its a standard quote and well known. If you can drive in Sheffield, you can drive anywhere.

Originally posted by jgharston
Maybe we should name them. Anybody for Palatine, Aventine, Capitoline, Quarinal, Viminal, Esquiline and Caelian?


If only Romulus and Remus had come to South Yorkshire, eh?

Its a standard quote and well known. If you can drive in Sheffield, you can drive anywhere.
Ok thanks Saxon but Maybe I just wanted a reply from Star sparkle (no offence intended)

Originally posted by bassplayer
Its a standard quote and well known. If you can drive in Sheffield, you can drive anywhere.

Except Venice.

Originally posted by Bilge
What are the 7 hills then? Do they all have names?

As a casual observer at pedestrian level they all blur into one mass of up-and-down hilliness. Without a scale model to look at I can't really picture them as 7 separate mounds.

The one with Crookes on the top, for example, what's that called? Bole Hill?

the others? Park Hill? etc


I think they are:

1. Doc
2. Grumpy
3. Happy
4. Sleepy
5. Bashful
6. Sneezy
7. Dopey

Originally posted by bassplayer
Its a standard quote and well known. If you can drive in Sheffield, you can drive anywhere.
Ok thanks Saxon but Maybe I just wanted a reply from Star sparkle (no offence intended)

Hi Bassplayer! Just sending you a PM :)

StarSparkle

Originally posted by Saxon
Its a standard quote and well known. If you can drive in Sheffield, you can drive anywhere.

....except on the "one vehicle at a time only" roads/virtually vertical gradients on the Isle of Skye ...... I believe the quote only relates to roads in England .....

StarSparkle ;)

Hi Kerri, I see you live on the snobby side of the sound, not like Greenwich CT, just kidding!!!! Martha Stewart is where she belongs