Have just been watching traffic chaos at Heeley Bottom/

First a silver 307 hit a bus, then a silver rover has just this second collided with a green astra at the same spot.

It is the junction of lights where London Road and Chesterfield Rd merge just by the mosque.

Traffic round here is a bit daft. For instance it is near impossible to get on or off Heeley retail park without bumping someone or holding up traffic.

The council do not help. There was a no-right turn sign on Chesterfield Rd, that was then taken down and then re-erected. Therefore everyone ignores it causing chaos.

You have to cross five lanes of traffic to get out of the retail park and get on the main rd.

Council planners are morons. They are only small bumps at the moment but you tend to have to wait for a death to get these idiots from their desk chairs.

I suppose they are too busy lookin at more ways to annoy motorists.

It is the junction of lights where London Road and Chesterfield Rd merge just by the mosque.


People seem to be unable to understand that junction.

People seem to be unable to understand that junction.


yeh they dont seem to be able to comprehend that red means STOP!!! :loopy:

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I've just come through and no sign of hold ups so that's OK if anyone's worried.

Now, do you mean Halfords Retail Park? When I try to get out of there, I need to go right, but obviously it's impossible. What I do is go left instead, and then if I'm going up into Heeley, turn left at the pub and go past Sheaf View - it's also possible to get back onto Queens Rd and hence into town by doing this and turning at the bottom of Myrtle Rd. So there's a tip for you from a local. Better an extra few minutes' journey than an accident! ;)

That whole stretch of road from the ice rink to Heeley Bottom is a death trap. They have at least managed to cut speeds by B&Q by putting in more lights and road narrowing, but more needs doing - it all ought to be a 30 limit, lined with cameras as there's so many people making silly and illegal moves. And by the mosque possibly a roundabout might be better.

Agree with you. I am not local but work on the retail park. It is adeath trap waiting to happen. The right turn I am talking about is at Halfords.

Just been to the newsagents and the traffic is moving again. But three ambulances and two police cars turned up for the first accident, which was possibly a bit OTT.

Only one person was injured on the bus and he was laughing with the paramedic as they put him in the ambulance so I am assuming he is ok.

Something needs to be done round here with regards to traffic though. It is madness on Fridays when something goes on a the mosque. The road is just blocked. The five lanes of traffic are dangerous.

Someone is going to die here soon.

Agreed that junction is a nightmare but I've been in a passenger with a few different drivers who use that junction daily and still it can get confusnig.

I don't think the traffic lights are clear enough. There are so many of them and they do not necessaraly point in the correct way to the onlooking traffic which I've seen before has casused problems.

I've also seen too many people sneaking through at the last minute nearly causing accidents. :(

BLUSKY

Can you confirm where this no right turn sign is on Chesterfield Road, what as it got to do with heeley bottom as chesterfield road ends at Lavers

I'm puzzled, the mosque is a long way from Lavers.

also, Busman is correct, London Road continues on, from the mosque, right the way under the bridge, past Ponsfords furnishing store, before it becomes Chesterfield road.

It is a death trap waiting to happen.

Someone is going to die here soon.

There's only so much money available for road safety schemes (or any othe schemes for that matter)
Spending is targetted at locations which DO have an injury accident problem. NOT at locations where people might get killed, someday, possibly, maybe, whenever...............

The Council have to meet real targets for reducing real casualties, not the ones you speculate might happen.

Council planners are certainly not the morons you portray them to be. They're hardworking professional people who do their very best with limited resources in often difficult circumstances. Safety is always at the absolute top of their priorities.

the front of the 307 was a bit messed up, there was a kid in the back of that car, i heard and that it was ok.

There's only so much money available for road safety schemes (or any othe schemes for that matter)
Spending is targetted at locations which DO have an injury accident problem. NOT at locations where people might get killed, someday, possibly, maybe, whenever.............

I'm a little confused here. The OP has stated it is a problem area where accidents DO occur. So, are you concurring with other posters who have said that a death has to occur before it's taken seriously? Your post infers that problems have to occur BEFORE road safety schemes are considered by planners in Sheffield. If so, heaven help us all. As for the shortage of money, Sheffield Council should be rolling in it, judging by all the land/former public buildings they've either sold to private developers or are in the process of selling.

I'm a little confused here. The OP has stated it is a problem area where accidents DO occur. So, are you concurring with other posters who have said that a death has to occur before it's taken seriously? Your post infers that problems have to occur BEFORE road safety schemes are considered by planners in Sheffield. If so, heaven help us all. As for the shortage of money, Sheffield Council should be rolling in it, judging by all the land/former public buildings they've either sold to private developers or are in the process of selling.

Both of those quotes are from Blusky's second post on this thread.

Priorities for remedial measures are worked out on the number of recorded injury accidents (including fatalities) at a particular location over a three or five year period.

Non injury accidents aren't recorded (by the police) so can't be included.

The Government have set challenging targets for casualty reductions, so Councils have to target the available funds on sites where injury acidents ARE occuring.

There are plenty of sites where accidents are happening and the Council don't get enough money to treat all of them, so they don't have the resources to go round looking for sites where accidents "might" happen. It's the same in all local authorities, there's always more needs doing than money available to do it!

Funding for this type of work comes from Central Government via the Local Transport Plan. Proceeds from asset sales don't go into the road safety budget.

Both of those quotes are from Blusky's second post on this thread.

Priorities for remedial measures are worked out on the number of recorded injury accidents (including fatalities) at a particular location over a three or five year period.

Non injury accidents aren't recorded (by the police) so can't be included.

The Government have set challenging targets for casualty reductions, so Councils have to target the available funds on sites where injury acidents ARE occuring.

There are plenty of sites where accidents are happening and the Council don't get enough money to treat all of them, so they don't have the resources to go round looking for sites where accidents "might" happen. It's the same in all local authorities, there's always more needs doing than money available to do it!

Funding for this type of work comes from Central Government via the Local Transport Plan. Proceeds from asset sales don't go into the road safety budget.


Thank you for your response. The point I was making was that accidents do seem to occur on a regular basis on this stretch of road. I guess, from your post, that not as many as happen here as places elsewhere in Sheffield, or it would be a priority.

I don't suppose you know where proceeds from asset sales do actually go?

There's nothing wrong with the junction at all if you read the signs and get into the correct lane in plenty of time. The morons are the motorists, not the planners.

Busman

Sorry I confused you. I was talking about the area. The right turn is on Queens Rd by Halfords. That is also where you have to cross five lanes of traffic to exit the retail park. The accidents themselves happened on London Rd by the mosque at Heeley Bottom. I think I may have initially confused people because i thought Chesterfield Rd started at Heeley Bottom not at Lavers. It is only a few hundred yards away though.

The area from B&Q on Queens Rd through to Heeley Bottom and the start of Chesterfield Rd is a nightmare.

The two hotspots are the ones I have described. The exitto the retail park and the lights near the mosque.

yeh they dont seem to be able to comprehend that red means STOP!!! :loopy:



Or that "no left turn" means you can't turn left here, or that "bus lane" means not for cars, etc,etc.

Or that "no left turn" means you can't turn left here, or that "bus lane" means not for cars, etc,etc.

The last couple of posters have a point. I just went out for lunch. I pulled out of Halfords car park, past the car wash place and indicated to pull out right. Some idiot (old and fat ina sliver toyota) pulled in front of me from Queens Rd, holding up traffic and making a right turn exactly at the spot where the "no right turn " sign was.

So yes. Part of the problem is stupid ignorant drivers.

However, I take issue with some of planner's points. This is a hot spot. It is also incredibly difficult to get out of the retail park. Something bad will happen there one day. Road planners should not be sitting on their bottoms waiting for a death. As for shortage of money. Tough. We pay our taxes and deserve safe well thought out road plans.

I did make a mistake in one of my posts. It is actually four lanes not five. But it is still a lot of lanes to cross to get make a driving move. This is ridiculous.

The right turn sign was removed for about six months and only replaced just recently. I like others thought that this was a change in rules on the stretch. Ther problems have started since then. Why was it left so long. Did they forget?

Are you a planner on sheffield Council planner. You seem incredibly clever at using government/council terminology/excuses for why the roadfs etc are a mess. I do not understand therefore why you write in the third person and use the username planner. Perhaps you work on another council.

But could you tell me. Are the planners on Sheffield Council all drunks or do they just have a dark sense of humour when it comes to planning roads/buildings etc?

Can somebody please just explain to me why you are actually ALLOWED to turn right out of the retail park? Why is it not left turn only? Seems absolutely crazy to me that you are allowed to cross 4 lanes of traffic to turn right. If you go behind the petrol station it's left turn only (the next road up) where the road is no different whatsoever. And another point, you're not allowed to turn right INTO it (i.e. coming from heeley towards town), so why can you coming out? This junction obviously needs traffic lights triggered by cars waiting to exit the retail park. More lights I know, but would be much safer.

Can somebody please just explain to me why you are actually ALLOWED to turn right out of the retail park? Why is it not left turn only? Seems absolutely crazy to me that you are allowed to cross 4 lanes of traffic to turn right. If you go behind the petrol station it's left turn only (the next road up) where the road is no different whatsoever. And another point, you're not allowed to turn right INTO it (i.e. coming from heeley towards town), so why can you coming out? This junction obviously needs traffic lights triggered by cars waiting to exit the retail park. More lights I know, but would be much safer.

No idea. But you are not allowed to turn left out of it here. Although some people do. Traffic lights would be a good idea.

The Police are apparently appealing for witnesses to the incident:

Bus crash closes road (http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Bus-crash-closes-road.3140541.jp)

No idea. But you are not allowed to turn left out of it here. Although some people do. Traffic lights would be a good idea.

Too close to adjacent sets of signals I believe.