View Full Version : The parkway slip road from Park Square roundabout


Mini_Cooper
19-08-2007, 16:17
Whats happening here, is it being resurfaced? I thought it was excellent for traffic coming past the old markets, to access the parkway :cool:

Paolo Coopio
19-08-2007, 17:23
According to plans with new ring road it is being done away with. It will now form another lane for the roundabout.

Was in the Star one day late last week.

Paolo Coopio
19-08-2007, 17:23
Was a bit disappointed to be honest. That bit of road is a god send.

Haydn1971
19-08-2007, 21:20
By getting rid of the slip road which will not be needed once the IRR opens, we can actually provide 3 lanes from Sheaf Street onto the Sheffield Parkway - thus clearing traffic out of the City faster... Might seem daft at the moment, but contrary to popular belief we do think ahead and it's being done now to avoid the busy sep-dec traffic period !

Wayneos
19-08-2007, 21:50
By getting rid of the slip road which will not be needed once the IRR opens, we can actually provide 3 lanes from Sheaf Street onto the Sheffield Parkway - thus clearing traffic out of the City faster... Might seem daft at the moment, but contrary to popular belief we do think ahead and it's being done now to avoid the busy sep-dec traffic period !

All these things work great on computers where they are no doubt planned out, but in the real world where everyone just wants to be that one car ahead and no-one allows anyone to get ahead of them no matter how fast/slow they are traveling, no matter how small/large the gap...I really have to think to myself....IT AINT GONNA MAKE ANYTHING BETTER.

*_ash_*
20-08-2007, 00:11
All these things work great on computers where they are no doubt planned out, but in the real world where everyone just wants to be that one car ahead and no-one allows anyone to get ahead of them no matter how fast/slow they are traveling, no matter how small/large the gap...I really have to think to myself....IT AINT GONNA MAKE ANYTHING BETTER.

I dunno, (I didn't know about this bit until now) but there shouldn't be much traffic exiting Exchange St/Place onto Park Square when the road is finished, so if it allows 3 lanes from Sheaf St, it sounds like a good idea to me. Will have to wait and see.

Cyclone
20-08-2007, 06:30
It's being done well ahead of the completion of the IRR though, it's causing traffic problems (or should that be more problems) getting from the north of the city through to the parkway.

PinkJo
20-08-2007, 06:59
It's being done well ahead of the completion of the IRR though, it's causing traffic problems (or should that be more problems) getting from the north of the city through to the parkway.

Yeah, and it means having to wait at another set of traffic lights!

chris@25
20-08-2007, 12:47
By getting rid of the slip road which will not be needed once the IRR opens, we can actually provide 3 lanes from Sheaf Street onto the Sheffield Parkway - thus clearing traffic out of the City faster... Might seem daft at the moment, but contrary to popular belief we do think ahead and it's being done now to avoid the busy sep-dec traffic period !

Hmmm... slightly economical with the truth there, surely the reason for needing 3 lanes from Sheaf St onto the Parkway is that the two lanes that go from Sheaf Sq to West Bar will be forced onto the Parkway, Cutlers Gate and then the new ring road. In other words the bottom section of the Parkway is going to be part of the ring road. Sounds like the sort of thinking that made part of the M62 magically turn into a section of the M60...

kel_89
20-08-2007, 13:11
It's a bit strange.

Why fix something when it's not broken?!

Haydn1971
20-08-2007, 18:01
IT AINT GONNA MAKE ANYTHING BETTER.

So providing three lanes where there are currently two available lanes isn't going to allow more traffic to discharge from Sheaf Street onto Sheffield Parkway faster than it does now ?

Lets not forget that there will also be less traffic turning across the Sheaf Street traffic at Park Square, which would have been heading towards Exchange Place

Haydn1971
20-08-2007, 18:07
It's being done well ahead of the completion of the IRR though, it's causing traffic problems (or should that be more problems) getting from the north of the city through to the parkway.

It is being done in advance, to enable lanes on Park Square to be closed to allow safe construction of the scheme - August is the quiet period on the roads, thus the best time to do this particular scheme.

Cyclone
20-08-2007, 18:16
It's a bit strange.

Why fix something when it's not broken?!

The traffic system in Sheffield is most definitely broken. Hopefully the IRR will do something to address that.
Not convinced about this particular bit, but time will tell.

Haydn1971
20-08-2007, 18:21
surely the reason for needing 3 lanes from Sheaf St onto the Parkway is that the two lanes that go from Sheaf Sq to West Bar will be forced onto the Parkway, Cutlers Gate and then the new ring road. In other words the bottom section of the Parkway is going to be part of the ring road.

Well done Sherlock ! no doubt you will have also seen the massive amount of building work going on in the Wicker area - it's called regeneration and is the only reason Sheffield got money to build the IRR so that developers could come in and transform a run down part of the city into something nicer - perhaps not nicer in mine or your eyes, but thats the flip side of regeneration - you need the lego box flats people to come along to pay for the nicer bits (under planning gain) like, riverside walks, green spaces, fancy pavement treatements... that way, the DfT puts up the cash for the relief road that pushes the ring road out and pulls the Wicker area inside the central area, thus boasting regeneration more...

Sounds like the sort of thinking that made part of the M62 magically turn into a section of the M60...

What would you suggest as an alternative ? build a road parallel to the bottom end of the Sheffield Parkway ?

Mini_Cooper
20-08-2007, 20:30
Sheffield Parkway will have one lane for cars and the other will be a Bus Lane from the City Centre, to Catcliffe.

Is this the most stupid idea yet? how many buses use the parkway? :rant::rant:

kel_89
20-08-2007, 22:02
Sheffield Parkway will have one lane for cars and the other will be a Bus Lane from the City Centre, to Catcliffe.

Is this the most stupid idea yet? how many buses use the parkway? :rant::rant:
I've not seen a bus on the parkway for ages!

Paolo Coopio
20-08-2007, 22:53
That can' be right can it? Bus lane on the parkway?

There are a few buses use the parkway. Number 30 as far as Asda is one.

Mini_Cooper
20-08-2007, 23:09
That can' be right can it? Bus lane on the parkway?

There are a few buses use the parkway. Number 30 as far as Asda is one.



Yes, absolutly true.

Can't believe it myself

Paolo Coopio
20-08-2007, 23:41
Never seen a jam going outwards on the parkway in normal everyday use (roadworks/major incidents excluded). Can't think what a bus lane would achieve?

Where did you see this Mini_Cooper (excellent name btw)?

chris@25
21-08-2007, 10:42
Never seen a jam going outwards on the parkway in normal everyday use

Wait until it's part of the ring road with the two lanes queueing to turn left onto Cutlers Gate tailing back to Park Square...

expitlad
21-08-2007, 19:59
Yes, absolutly true.

Can't believe it myself


I agree, totally unbelievable. Can anyone expand on this bus lane story ?

.......

Haydn1971
21-08-2007, 21:45
Sheffield Parkway will have one lane for cars and the other will be a Bus Lane from the City Centre, to Catcliffe.

Is this the most stupid idea yet? how many buses use the parkway? :rant::rant:

Trolling again Mini Cooper... this statement is utter rubbish

Mini_Cooper
21-08-2007, 21:46
Trolling again Mini Cooper... this statement is utter rubbish



Are you sure?

Haydn1971
21-08-2007, 22:11
Are you sure?

go on.... humour me... where did you find out this nugget of gold ?

Tony
21-08-2007, 22:23
Gents.. before we all go off on one I'd just like to remind you to keep it cool. Cheers :)

crookeschap
22-08-2007, 09:48
Can we see a website or summat that indicates that this bus lane might be happening?

Heyesey
22-08-2007, 11:08
Can we see a website or summat that indicates that this bus lane might be happening?


Since it isn't happening, that might be difficult.

Cyclone
22-08-2007, 13:18
I believe the term is lying, not trolling, when someone deliberately posts something they know isn't true.

Heyesey
22-08-2007, 14:57
I believe the term is lying, not trolling, when someone deliberately posts something they know isn't true.

If they're doing so in order to stir up trouble for no good purpose, it counts as both.

expitlad
22-08-2007, 19:26
If they're doing so in order to stir up trouble for no good purpose, it counts as both.


Lying Troll is a good description. What do these sad people get out of it ?

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emperor_ming
29-08-2007, 21:20
I must be thick or something. I cant see how removing an unmetered lane onto the parkway can improve traffic flow? Forcing all the traffic through the lights must surely add to conjestion, or is the predicted flow through here (once the IRR is completed) small enough to prevent the problem?

Mini_Cooper
29-08-2007, 21:44
I too can't understand why this lane has been taken away.

If its to help traffic flow I can't see it. Instead of traffic going down the slip road onto the parkway, the traffic has to wait at the lights.

:loopy:

Trickle
29-08-2007, 22:06
Sheffield Parkway will have one lane for cars and the other will be a Bus Lane from the City Centre, to Catcliffe.

Is this the most stupid idea yet? how many buses use the parkway? :rant::rant:

I'm normally rather meh to these congestion threads as I usually manage to only drive off peak.

But I've just seen red in a flash of chair rage upon reading this statement.

Just how ******* dumb are these planners? A &(!£&%$ bus lane on the parkway?

Edit. Just read the remainder of the thread. Ive been trolled.

Heyesey
29-08-2007, 23:09
I too can't understand why this lane has been taken away.

If its to help traffic flow I can't see it. Instead of traffic going down the slip road onto the parkway, the traffic has to wait at the lights.

:loopy:

Taken on its own, it is indeed a crazy decision. It only makes sense in terms of the wider picture.

Given the new section of Inner Ring Road, most traffic is supposed to be coming along that, and onto Cutler's Gate, to reach the Parkway from the north of the city; the amount of traffic coming along Nursery Street, Blonk Street, and turning left at Park Square should fall dramatically. Given that fact (and we all know how accurate council predictions tend to be!), it make sense to remove the through-lane from Blonk Street, and add an extra lane for traffic coming from the Sheaf Street side to get to the Parkway.

Will it work? Who knows. The council's traffic planning always works on paper, but nobody's ever yet built a road network out of paper.

willman
29-08-2007, 23:17
i noticed in mondays star that one of our fair forummers is now in charge of planning and grid lock.

if i saw correctly yesterday they were filling in the road with soil - could they be reinstating it as a grass verge and footpath. it seems strange to fill it in and drive a bus over it.

Cyclone
30-08-2007, 03:04
I must be thick or something. I cant see how removing an unmetered lane onto the parkway can improve traffic flow? Forcing all the traffic through the lights must surely add to conjestion, or is the predicted flow through here (once the IRR is completed) small enough to prevent the problem?

Yes, there should be very little traffic taking this route when the IRR is complete.

the_rudeboy
30-08-2007, 08:04
Sheffield Parkway will have one lane for cars and the other will be a Bus Lane from the City Centre, to Catcliffe.

Is this the most stupid idea yet? how many buses use the parkway? :rant::rant:

Are you really that thick?

or just really crap at trolling. :suspect:

Haydn1971
31-08-2007, 23:23
I must be thick or something. I cant see how removing an unmetered lane onto the parkway can improve traffic flow? Forcing all the traffic through the lights must surely add to conjestion, or is the predicted flow through here (once the IRR is completed) small enough to prevent the problem?

The slip prevented us from putting three lanes around from Sheaf Square to Sheffield Parkway. With the arrival of the IRR, very little traffic will come out of Exchange Place and the slip would have carried a very small fraction of the traffic it did, thus it's better to give the space that the slip takes up, over to the traffic coming out of Sheaf Street heading to the Parkway.

The scheme isn't about improving the traffic flow from Exchange Place, it's about improving the flow from Sheaf Street to Parkway.

maggidee
01-09-2007, 17:33
cant believe that slip roads gone,now it will be all trafic stopped at the lights. even longer tail backs why cant they leave things alone . next thing it will be digging up the roundabout further up, thats not been touched for a while. be nice if the parkway went afull year without roadworks. just to give us a break

Heyesey
01-09-2007, 18:23
cant believe that slip roads gone,now it will be all trafic stopped at the lights. even longer tail backs


How did you manage to completely miss the explanation that's already been posted three times, as to why this will not happen?

Skippy06
01-09-2007, 18:34
The slip prevented us from putting three lanes around from Sheaf Square to Sheffield Parkway. With the arrival of the IRR, very little traffic will come out of Exchange Place and the slip would have carried a very small fraction of the traffic it did, thus it's better to give the space that the slip takes up, over to the traffic coming out of Sheaf Street heading to the Parkway.

The scheme isn't about improving the traffic flow from Exchange Place, it's about improving the flow from Sheaf Street to Parkway.

Back up a minute the scheme should be about improving traffic flow in the city. "The scheme isn't about improving the traffic flow from Exchange Place, it's about improving the flow from Sheaf Street to Parkway". Does this mean Exchange Place go hang.

I would like to know unless I have missed something are you trying to say that comming from Hillsborough to City Road you would need to go on the new road towards the Wicker then down to the Parkway and back up or can you still go straight across Wicker.

Heyesey
01-09-2007, 18:50
Back up a minute the scheme should be about improving traffic flow in the city.

Which it is.


"The scheme isn't about improving the traffic flow from Exchange Place, it's about improving the flow from Sheaf Street to Parkway". Does this mean Exchange Place go hang.

Basically, yes, since almost nothing has any reason to come that way any more.

Haydn1971
01-09-2007, 21:35
Please pass me the portable wall to bang my head against ! ;¬)

Skippy06
02-09-2007, 07:43
Please pass me the portable wall to bang my head against ! ;¬)

Feel free I like most people in North Sheffield do it every morning when trying to get to work.

Don't tell me public transport is an option becasue it isn't when you have kids to drop at childminders public transport isn't suitable.

Haydn1971
02-09-2007, 08:36
Feel free I like most people in North Sheffield do it every morning when trying to get to work.

Don't tell me public transport is an option becasue it isn't when you have kids to drop at childminders public transport isn't suitable.

And if you cared to have read any of my other threads, you will know my views on this... go get off your bum, lobby your MP (not your councillor) to find me more funding, so that I can give you want you want, rather than moaning to me on here !

Sheffield City Council is just finishing off a £60M scheme to complete the Inner Ring Road - in my view we should be doing two, three, even four schemes of this size each year, spending about £150-200M rather than the rather rubbish £5.6M we get on the LTP each year.

The IRR is funded directly from Central Government, from a pot that your local councillor has no control over, but your local MP has influence over... The IRR has taken a reletively short 15 years of hard work from a few council officers and senior councillors to secure funding from the DfT.

I've worked on schemes that have been proposed since the 1920's, yet are still bogged down in planning and funding difficulties. The system is rubbish, policy is always changing and by the time you think you have got anywhere, the central government goalposts move - it's not a political issue, it's related to how Land Planning Policy has evoloved since 1947, something that won't be changed by local officers and members, but can be changed by a group of MP's influencing what would be the biggest challenge of the next 2-3 decades.

Heyesey
02-09-2007, 09:56
Don't tell me public transport is an option becasue it isn't when you have kids to drop at childminders public transport isn't suitable.

If public transport is not an option for you, then you should be hammering away at all the needless drivers for whom it is. They're the ones clogging the roads up for you, not Haydn.

Cyclone
02-09-2007, 16:25
Feel free I like most people in North Sheffield do it every morning when trying to get to work.

Don't tell me public transport is an option becasue it isn't when you have kids to drop at childminders public transport isn't suitable.

I think the head banging was due to you not reading the thread or really understanding what is being talked about.
There will be so little traffic coming from exchange place that there is no need for a slip lane there any more. The traffic will follow the new IRR and so the flow from Sheaf Street can also be improved by removing the slip lane.

There are many many things to complain about regarding traffic and planning in sheffield, but with the possible exception of the timing this isn't one of them.

Stainless
02-09-2007, 16:33
Having read all the comments for and against the Parkway Slip Road I can see no reason for its removal. I am a regular user and the justification of the removal to accommodate Sheaf Street traffic (see above Haydn 4) is nonsense.

There is ample space for the Sheaf Street traffic to be accommodated onto the Parkway in the two lanes provided at the moment, this can be proven by the ability to move from the Slip Road (after the 'Stay in Lane' markings) with ease over to the centre or even the right hand lane without any problem.

There are only two lanes provided from Sheaf Street to the Parkway, via Park Square, so why would three lanes be any advantage when it is the traffic lights that controls volume of traffic from Park Square onto the Parkway exit road?

If it is intended to alter Sheaf Street road markings to make three lanes into the Parkway exit then there would be a need for three lanes on the exit road but would still not justify the removal of the Parkway Slip Road.

Note. The section discussed, and any others, is seen easily on Google Earth

Cyclone
02-09-2007, 16:44
Is everyone turning stupid in Sheffield.
When the IRR is finished you will not use exchange place, no one will, so what's the point of a dedicated slip road that will never be used.

Heyesey
02-09-2007, 16:47
Is everyone turning stupid in Sheffield.


I think you can safely remove the word "turning" from that question, without altering the answer one iota.

JFKvsNixon
02-09-2007, 17:07
OK then, why is it alright for all the traffic from the city centre to have an extra lane and the traffic from penistone road way to loose a lane ..................................................

Only kidding, I get it. I like this thread it's made me laugh, it's like watching ground hog day.

Paolo Coopio
03-09-2007, 10:17
I agree. Hopefully it will work. Went down the new IRR last night all the way and was impressed. Hopefully will imprve things no end.

Like Hadyn says, we could do with more things like this and have a brilliant infrastructure.


On another note, looking at Google Earth, I notice a disused slip road on the junction of Cutlers Gate/Parkway. Can anyone shed light on this?

Heyesey
03-09-2007, 10:45
Anyone have a report on how it went this morning? Exactly how many drivers did completely ignore all signs and road markings and still try to go the old way?

Paolo Coopio
03-09-2007, 11:11
I had to drop car off at garage on Saville Street this morning and was horrendouse queueing down Saville Street to Wicker at about 0930 all way back to Atterclife Road and past Dixons.

Though with Wicker not yet fully functional this would explain the bottleneck.

Also saw that Parkway was more or less bumper to bumper all way back to Mosborough PW too. However don't usually venture on roads at that time so can't compare to usual.

md25
03-09-2007, 11:54
How long until the new ring road is totally, 100%, fully operational? The road situation's kinda like the Death Star at the moment, only without the lasers with which to remove the hordes of enemies in front of me.

neeeeeeeeeek
03-09-2007, 11:59
How long until the new ring road is totally, 100%, fully operational? The road situation's kinda like the Death Star at the moment, only without the lasers with which to remove the hordes of enemies in front of me.

About 17 years.

LibertyBell
03-09-2007, 12:44
I had to drop car off at garage on Saville Street this morning and was horrendouse queueing down Saville Street to Wicker at about 0930 all way back to Atterclife Road and past Dixons.

Though with Wicker not yet fully functional this would explain the bottleneck.

Also saw that Parkway was more or less bumper to bumper all way back to Mosborough PW too. However don't usually venture on roads at that time so can't compare to usual.

Parkway is always like that in a morning.

LibertyBell
03-09-2007, 12:47
How long until the new ring road is totally, 100%, fully operational? The road situation's kinda like the Death Star at the moment, only without the lasers with which to remove the hordes of enemies in front of me.

I understand latest finish prediction is October. no way of even starting to judge this yet as many lanes and turns are still not in action. Shalesmoor much better this a.m. but new section to parkway very busy.

I was amazed at the numbers turning right back down to Park Square and I'm sure this will ease off once the whole thing is done.

I'm worried about the numbers of traffic lights on the relief route but I'm keeping an open mind.

crookeschap
03-09-2007, 14:06
Anyone have a report on how it went this morning? Exactly how many drivers did completely ignore all signs and road markings and still try to go the old way?

I managed to follow the signs but was very much in the minority.
It wasn't very well signposted that things had changed so I could see why there was a bit of confusion

Guderian
03-09-2007, 14:49
On a personal level I marvel at the fact people dont even attempt to find out things for themselves in advance.

The council website clearly highlighted which parts of the Inner Relief Road were going to open and when, in addition to the maps that have existed on the webpage for years now!

http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/aRelease.asp?akey=4542&Mon=01/08/2007

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/roadworks/major-schemes/irr/scheme-progress

People should also hold fire in making judgements before it is all fully operational.

HIMGODDESS
03-09-2007, 15:39
'm goin by car from handsworth to broomhill wed mornin,( unfortunately about 8.00am) usually use darnall-attercliffe-wicker-up to west bar-up to old jessops then up past hospitals to broomhill, i do this coz of all road works/lane closures on parkway.....with nu IRR open at whicker arches bit what would anyone suggest best route would be....went to town on bus today an traffic goin into town was HUGE! or indeed any other suggestions! ie:stick to BUS!!

Greybeard
03-09-2007, 17:11
I'm worried about the numbers of traffic lights on the relief route but I'm keeping an open mind.

It was suggested to me that the whole point of this new road was to provide new sites for the traffic planners to install traffic lights.



But that just ridiculous.....isn't it ? :confused:

chris@25
03-09-2007, 17:23
I'm just glad that all these lane closures at Park Square and the Wicker weren't timed to coincide with lane closures elsewhere on the ring road near Bramall Lane, 'cos that would cause traffic chaos with all the people trying to avoid one traffic jam hitting the other traffic jam instead.

Oh wait, they were...

Captain_Scarlet
03-09-2007, 17:42
Was a bit disappointed to be honest. That bit of road is a god send.Especially when they have not added that lane back onto the roundabout entrance . It's a pure loss of one lane; they could have at least widenned the roundabout since the inner ring road is a waste of waste.I'm just glad that all these lane closures at Park Square and the Wicker weren't timed to coincide with lane closures elsewhere on the ring road near Bramall Lane, 'cos that would cause traffic chaos with all the people trying to avoid one traffic jam hitting the other traffic jam instead.

Oh wait, they were...
You should have been there; the New Sheffield they're creating (mmmh token branding on road work signs) was glorious to drive through this evening: 50 minutes instead of 15 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=pitsmoor+road,+sheffield&daddr=Sheaf+St,+Norton,+Sheffield,+United+Kingdom&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=9.245985,20.566406&ie=UTF8&cd=2&ll=53.387808,-1.460667&spn=0.018377,0.040169&z=15&om=1 the way that usually takes 5 minutes). I was at the verge of saying SCC weren't doing a bad job at getting rid of traffic jams but their nice new pedestrian crossing-lightless lights at Nursery/Mobray/Corporation are simply divine. The inverted one one system on Pitsmoor road: Gimme more, I love randomly intersecting traffic.How long until the new ring road is totally, 100%, fully operational? The road situation's kinda like the Death Star at the moment, only without the lasers with which to remove the hordes of enemies in front of me.They started building it early '60s: remain hopeful.The slip prevented us from putting three lanes around from Sheaf Square to Sheffield Parkway. With the arrival of the IRR, very little traffic will come out of Exchange Place and the slip would have carried a very small fraction of the traffic it did, thus it's better to give the space that the slip takes up, over to the traffic coming out of Sheaf Street heading to the Parkway.

The scheme isn't about improving the traffic flow from Exchange Place, it's about improving the flow from Sheaf Street to Parkway.Then why is it being built, to improve traffic, make Exchange Place quicker to drive through instead of want to make us drive half way up the Parkway on Cutlers' Way. There ought to be just as much traffic on Exchange Place as there has always been since the IRR is (on paper and practice) neither the shortest nor the quickest way to get from Corporation to Parkway or Sheaf Street... It is and remains Broad Lane > Corp > Nursery > Blonk > Exchange > giant roundabout with one lane missing coz retards removed the slip road > Sheaf Street, or is the 2 mile long queue cough Netherthorpe Road?

It's not like Cutlers Way is in use... The shortest and quickest way to drive from the Common to Shead Sq is despite signs: Wicker...http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=wicker,+sheffield&daddr=Sheaf+St,+Norton,+Sheffield,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.388192,-1.460667&sspn=0.017609,0.040169&ie=UTF8&ll=53.383239,-1.460559&spn=0.008805,0.020084&z=16&om=1On a personal level I marvel at the fact people dont even attempt to find out things for themselves in advance.

The council website clearly highlighted which parts of the Inner Relief Road were going to open and when, in addition to the maps that have existed on the webpage for years now!

http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/aRelease.asp?akey=4542&Mon=01/08/2007

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/roadworks/major-schemes/irr/scheme-progress

People should also hold fire in making judgements before it is all fully operational.None of this was posted to my door nor was I asked if I didn't want it built, all those link show are: blah blah more traffic lights, blah blah perpendicular road in my way, blah blah pay 60 quid a month for bus. Tonight is a witness that IRR doesn't and oh yes will not make anything better: queue on Pitsmoor Road up to Burngreave, Mowbray queuing as far as I could see look right, IRR towards Wicker blocked from new half moon junction to NEW traffic lights next to Arches, Sheaf Sq missing one lane, St Mary's blocked and overflowing onto Queen's, Granville and Suffolk

Heyesey
03-09-2007, 18:10
They started building it early '60s: remain hopeful.there ought to be just as much traffic on Exchange Place as there has always been since the IRR is (on paper and practice) neither the shortest nor the quickest way to get from Corporation to Parkway or Sheaf Street


But it is the route you're being directed along. If you choose not to follow the council's preferred routes, you're on your own.

Tony
03-09-2007, 18:21
So, has anyone worked out why it's been sensibly removed yet?

Try driving around the roundabout and it will become blindingly obvious.

Captain_Scarlet
03-09-2007, 18:30
But it is the route you're being directed along. If you choose not to follow the council's preferred routes, you're on your own.And happy to take a quicker and shorter route than the one I'm told to use. You must have missed something there: signs and council = wrong, alternative route = good.So, has anyone worked out why it's been sensibly removed yet? Try driving around the roundabout and it will become blindingly obvious.Why? we get it, is it right: absolutely not; quicker to avoid IRR/Cutlers Way drive up the slipway, go right hand lane up Parkway. Better even, remove Cutlers' Way and its traffic lights and have a traffic light free Parkway from Sheaf Sq ;) Oh no, add a junction with pretty 'Creating New Sheffield' signs

Captain_Scarlet
03-09-2007, 18:34
Anyone have a report on how it went this morning? Exactly how many drivers did completely ignore all signs and road markings and still try to go the old way?The old way is despite our shiny new road quicker, shorter and with less traffic lights...

Tipex
03-09-2007, 18:39
Sheffield Parkway will have one lane for cars and the other will be a Bus Lane from the City Centre, to Catcliffe.

Is this the most stupid idea yet? how many buses use the parkway? :rant::rant:

I will use the bus lane if so, ******** to waiting in one lane of traffic.

Tony
03-09-2007, 18:44
And happy to take a quicker and shorter route than the one I'm told to use. You must have missed something there: signs and council = wrong, alternative route = good.Why? we get it, is it right: absolutely not; quicker to avoid IRR/Cutlers Way drive up the slipway, go right hand lane up Parkway. Better even, remove Cutlers' Way and its traffic lights and have a traffic light free Parkway from Sheaf Sq ;) Oh no, add a junction with pretty 'Creating New Sheffield' signs

Well, if you go and see for yourself instead of jumping to conclusions you will see that there are now 3 lanes going up the Parkway from Park Sq instead of 2. As Park Sq is the ring road (not the downgraded Cutlers Gate) it seems quite sensible to me. It might be fashionable to knock traffic planners but they will have modelled the traffic flows to get the most vehicular movements at the fastest speeds. Time will tell.

Heyesey
03-09-2007, 18:58
And happy to take a quicker and shorter route than the one I'm told to use. You must have missed something there: signs and council = wrong, alternative route = good.


You prefer to continue on the old route despite its having been changed, and you whinge about it having been changed; and now you're saying you're happy with it.

What have I missed?

Haydn1971
03-09-2007, 19:52
There are only two lanes provided from Sheaf Street to the Parkway, via Park Square, so why would three lanes be any advantage when it is the traffic lights that controls volume of traffic from Park Square onto the Parkway exit road?

Because you get more cars through signals on three lanes, as apposed to using two lanes on the same signal timing. Simple math surely ????

If it is intended to alter Sheaf Street road markings to make three lanes into the Parkway exit then there would be a need for three lanes on the exit road but would still not justify the removal of the Parkway Slip Road.

If you were to look at Google Earth, you would see that you cannot fit three lanes, from Park Square into Sheffield Parkway because of the slip road...

RichD
04-09-2007, 19:36
Maybe I'm missing something here, but how much good can it actually do to allow an extra lane onto the Parkway, when 300 yards further along the Parkway you're back down to two lanes?

Captain_Scarlet
04-09-2007, 19:44
Well, if you go and see for yourself instead of jumping to conclusions you will see that there are now 3 lanes going up the Parkway from Park Sq instead of 2. As Park Sq is the ring road (not the downgraded Cutlers Gate) it seems quite sensible to me. It might be fashionable to knock traffic planners but they will have modelled the traffic flows to get the most vehicular movements at the fastest speeds. Time will tell.You say that as if town planners did a good job. I'm not moaning for the sake moaning, I drive there every morning and every night. I know what they've done and what the effects are. The slip road was removed without widening the roundabout, lanes where modified on the roundabout so as to provide less lanes for access onto the Parkway and for traffic that stayed on the merry go round ;)If you were to look at Google Earth, you would see that you cannot fit three lanes, from Park Square into Sheffield Parkway because of the slip road...Funny, Google maps shows me there's plenty of space...You prefer to continue on the old route despite its having been changed, and you whinge about it having been changed; and now you're saying you're happy with it. What have I missed?You making every effort not to get it, but sure... You think IRR is the future so what would I expect? Wicker was fine until they messed it up, SCC built that road to no where called Cutlers' Gate then put signs saying it is quicker to use that Gate whilst it is clealry quicket and shorter to remain on Wicker and go through the down graded road onto Exchange Place. I thought simple equations were at your grasp, I was mistaken. One more time: 2+2=4. Downgrading road=jams. Now clap your hands and jump on one foot.

Maybe a picture or a pretty drawing?

Squiggs
04-09-2007, 23:14
it's being done now to avoid the busy sep-dec traffic period !

The simplest way to avoid that period is to blow up Meadowhall