Due to the expected deterioration in the weather I'm canceling this walk.

Subject to Moorland Game Bird Shooting Area Regulations being Obtained and Clarified .

The land owner as now granted permission for us to use the path.

A Walk Sunday 12 August 2007. ( A section of the Sheffield Walk )

Catch the 09.30 am. No 284 Bus from Sheffield Interchange,(Pond Street) on Platform B to Upper Burbage Bridge. Please meet at the bus station at 8.50 am onward.

Route:- Upper Burbage Bridge – Stanage Edge – Moscar Lodge – over Boots Folly and Dale Dyke Dam – Low Bradfield.

This walk is approximately seven miles long and is mainly level or down hill.

No 61 or 62 Bus run hourly from Low Bradfield to Hillsborough Interchange for connection to the City centre.

I believe that this walk is the most scenic in the Peak District.
But if you walk it, you will be the better judge of that.

Dogs are welcome.

A final notice will be posted between 7.00 am and 8.00 am. on Sunday Morning.

Due to the expected deterioration in the weather I'm canceling this walk.

Albert I think you may get some takers for your walk if you put down a start time and place and details of how to get there - and back - by public transport also roughly how far this walk is.
Doesn't need to be long and complext just the salient details.

Albert I think you may get some takers for your walk if you put down a start time and place and details of how to get there - and back - by public transport also roughly how far this walk is.
Doesn't need to be long and complext just the salient details.

At the moment, after down loading Scoobz last P.M. I do not expect anyone who walked from Castleton via Mam Tor, Hollis Cross, Castleton last Sunday to be joining in any of my future planned walks. Basically because they are classed as point to point walks, not circular and hence they discriminate against car owners, drivers and passengers.

When Scoobz returns from his break. I will be asking the forum administrator to give his/her judgment upon the decision which you made last Sunday has his P.M. to me states.

On a personal note:- I now will agree. With what ever that decision is.

the decision which you made last Sunday

Could you just remind me what all this is about because I haven't got a clue?

You've lost me too Albert!

Loads of people don't mind point-to-point walks. Just because most of the usual Sunday ones are circular doesn't mean they all have to be. Loads of walkers rely on public transport, so as long as they are accessible start/finish points, you may get some company.

Post details please, I'm away this weekend so can't make this walk, but I don't mind a point-to-point in future, so long as I know where I'm ending up... (defintely not in a pub eh, No-Booze Bert?! :hihi:)

At the moment, after down loading Scoobz last P.M. I do not expect anyone who walked from Castleton via Mam Tor, Hollis Cross, Castleton last Sunday to be joining in any of my future planned walks. Basically because they are classed as point to point walks, not circular and hence they discriminate against car owners, drivers and passengers.

When Scoobz returns from his break. I will be asking the forum administrator to give his/her judgment upon the decision which you made last Sunday has his P.M. to me states.

On a personal note:- I now will agree. With what ever that decision is.

Why speak to the Administrator Albert? There is nothing to stop you, or anybody else arranging linear oir circular walks if they want!
There was no "decision" made last Sunday, just a discussion about linear walks being no good for car owners, wheras circular walks can be enjoyed by everyone.

I look forward to discussing a meandering walk for Sunday on tonights walk where the only criteria is a start time and location (accessible by all of course) and an estimated finish time and location. By the way, those that could, used public transport last week and enjoyed the pleasant journey. Simple organisation allows everyone to enjoy a walk in the country. Lets have more of the same, please, eh?

linear walks being no good for car owners, wheras circular walks can be enjoyed by everyone.
:confused: Linear walks can also be enjoyed by everybody!

I can't see why a linear walk with access to good public transport links (be it train, bus or tram) rules out people who like to use their cars. And I'm a right old petrol-legs who will use the car at any opportunity.

Variety is the key, surely?

:confused: Linear walks can also be enjoyed by everybody!

I can't see why a linear walk with access to good public transport links (be it train, bus or tram) rules out people who like to use their cars. And I'm a right old petrol-legs who will use the car at any opportunity.

Variety is the key, surely?


It is possible to park the car, walk the walk, then take the public transport back to the car if necessary, isn't it, surely? :)

It is possible to park the car, walk the walk, then take the public transport back to the car if necessary, isn't it, surely? :)

:clap: Yay! It certainly is... after all, it's supposed to be a walking group. A little extra distance shouldn't hurt ;)

It is possible to park the car, walk the walk, then take the public transport back to the car if necessary, isn't it, surely? :)

It certainly is - anyone organising a linear walk may like to consider putting in details of how this can be done. I'm sure Albert is not deliberately trying to make things difficult for car drivers/passengers - after all how did he get to Mam Nick on Sunday :)
PS I got the bus there and back:cool:

Albert, can you please post details of your start point and finish points, together with any transport info you have please.

It looks like you have some interest in this route! Hopefully the weather will be kind too (forecast is good for Sunday). :)

Albert, can you please post details of your start point and finish points, together with any transport info you have please.

It looks like you have some interest in this route! Hopefully the weather will be kind too (forecast is good for Sunday). :)

Please read the start of the thread.

Subject to Moorland Game Bird Shooting Area Regulations being Obtained and Clarified .
Tomorrow morning ( Friday ).

A Walk Sunday 12 August 2007. ( A section of the Sheffield Walk )

Catch the 09.00 am. No 273 Bus from Sheffield Interchange,(Pond Street) on Platform B to Upper Burbage Bridge.

Route:- Upper Burbage Bridge – Stanage Edge – Moscar Lodge – Boots Folly – Dale Dyke Dam – Low Bradfield.

This walk is approximately seven miles long and is mainly level or down hill.

No 61 or 62 Bus run hourly from Low Bradfield to Hillsborough Interchange for connection to the City centre.

I believe that this walk is the most scenic in the Peak District.
But if you walk it, you will be the better judge.

Dogs are welcome.

A final notice will be posted between 7.00 am and 8.00 am. on Sunday Morning.

I am intending to go on this walk but not sure if I need to get a gun to do some shooting:) Also is Upper Burbage Bridge an official bus stop or an Albert Special bus stop? Are you catching this bus Albert?
I will bring along my "Neoteric scenic walk scale" and give it marks out of 10:) - last Sundays walk scored an impressive 9.8 so it will have to be really special:)

I am intending to go on this walk but not sure if I need to get a gun to do some shooting:) Also is Upper Burbage Bridge an official bus stop or an Albert Special bus stop? Are you catching this bus Albert?
I will bring along my "Neoteric scenic walk scale" and give it marks out of 10:) - last Sundays walk scored an impressive 9.8 so it will have to be really special:)

Provided that the private stretch of moorland is open I'll be catching the Burbage bus in Pond Street. I'll find out more information today regarding the ' Shooting Rights '.

If it is fine and clear I suggest that you make certain that you have plenty of space on your camera for the photographs.

Provided that the private stretch of moorland is open I'll be catching the Burbage bus in Pond Street. I'll find obtain more information today regarding the ' Shooting Rights '.

If it is fine and clear I suggest that you make certain that you have plenty of space on your camera for the photographs.

enough for 5,000 pics:)

enough for 5,000 pics:)

If the weather is as nice as last Sunday, but with slightly better visibility. I would suggest that you bring a spare.

Last week was a known Gem. This Week is the Gem of all Gems depending on the weather.

One thing I'll predict is: That you will walk it many times again.

Sorry, am in Birmingham this weekend so can't make it. :(

But as a car owner, I certainly don't mind taking the bus - just cause I have one doesn't mean I have to use it!! Always good to be green when you can.

HAve a great walk and see you all next weekend (Or THurs??)

Hi I'm new to the forum but if everything is ok regarding the shooting I would like to join you on this walk.

Hi I'm new to the forum but if everything is ok regarding the shooting I would like to join you on this walk.

Everything is cleared regarding the shooting and you are welcome to join us. Meet Sunday morning at Pond Street at 8.50 am onward to catch the 09.30 am. No 284 Bus to Upper Burbage Bridge.

Suggest that you bring a flask and a bit to eat because they are no café's on the route. The walk is roughly seven miles long and if the weather is fine a very enjoyable seven miles.

If you have a camera and binoculars you will be pleased that you brought them.

Dogs are welcome but on a leash.

Look forward to meeting you next Sunday.

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See Start Of Thread Albert Has Cancelled The Walk!!!
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Due to the expected deterioration in the weather I'm canceling this walk.

:confused: - but not to worry I'm a hardy soul and set off anyway - it was a good job I had my deteriorating weather gear like factor 20 suncream, shorts,T Shirt and plenty of water:)
Not knowing the Burbage route I opted to do the second part of the Sheffield Round Walk that I started yesterday instead - just added a little twist by including the Sheaf Valley Walk to make it a from my doorstep walk.
Hope you enjoy the photos - especially the one of the cat standing guard over the bread that had been thrown out for the birds - now I wonder what he's up to:)
I also had some excellent refreshment stops at Forge Dam for morning coffee and Whirlow Brook Hall for Afternoon tea and Cake.
Photos from today's walk are here
http://picasaweb.google.com/neotericwalks/PartIISheffieldRoundWalkSunday12Aug2007
and from yesterday here
http://picasaweb.google.com/neotericwalks/PartSheffieldRoundWalkSaturday11Aug2007

Nice pics neoteric, as usual. It's such a pity that Albert had to cancel this walk at the last minute again. Had taxman and I been in Sheffield this weekend, we'd've been there too! I wonder how many people would have actually made the walk if it hadn't been cancelled at the last minute?!

Looks like you had a really nice walk yesterday Neo, I wish I could have joined you but I had a nice time with my family. Great photos as usual, looking at them makes me realise just how wonderful Sheffield is! :)

A final clarification regarding why the walk last Sunday was cancelled.
You will appreciate that with hindsight things would have been different.
However I do not have a sense of Hindsight. But I do have, and use, commonsense.

Just after mid-night last Saturday the Weather Forecaster stated ‘ that during Sunday, initially they would be light showers with a chance that this would develop into prolong rain and strong winds developing ’ .
At Six on Sunday Morning whilst light showers had occurred, the top of Totley Moors was visible,
After two or three more light showers occurred at Seven a low cloud was threatening to lay over the Moor.

I consequently decided to cancel the walk.
To those who had indicated that they were coming. I sent P.M.s stating this.
To those who were undecided. I had already stated when I created the thread, that I would make a final announcement between 7 – 8.00 Sunday Morning. The cancellation announcement was made.

Consequently if anyone turned up at Pond Street to find that I had cancelled the walk.
May I suggest that in future they read the thread.

Consequently if anyone turned up at Pond Street to find that I had cancelled the walk.
May I suggest that in future they read the thread.

You ever considered the Diplomatic Service Albert:)

...Consequently if anyone turned up at Pond Street to find that I had cancelled the walk.
May I suggest that in future they read the thread.
It might be a good idea to post a new message on the thread when a walk is going to be cancelled, so that the cancellation notice is nice and clear as the last post of the thread. Some people might not think to check the very first post in the thread for any amendments to it.

It might be a good idea to post a new message on the thread when a walk is going to be cancelled, so that the cancellation notice is nice and clear as the last post of the thread. Some people might not think to check the very first post in the thread for any amendments to it.
Yes thanks Hecate - you will notice that's exactly what I did when I found out Albert had cancelled. It's interesting to note that if you just edit your existing post then it looks like nothing new has happened - but if you do a new post then it's in BOLD.

Yes thanks Hecate - you will notice that's exactly what I did when I found out Albert had cancelled. It's interesting to note that if you just edit your existing post then it looks like nothing new has happened - but if you do a new post then it in BOLD.
Yes, I did notice that :) . I meant that, just as a safe guard, it might be wise to ensure that this is done automatically by the person who decides to cancel the walk as soon as the decision to do so is made.

It might be a good idea to post a new message on the thread when a walk is going to be cancelled, so that the cancellation notice is nice and clear as the last post of the thread. Some people might not think to check the very first post in the thread for any amendments to it.


That is a positive suggestion that will be taken up. (By Ambassador Bert)!!.

However people must read the threads

It's not always easy for people to read threads a couple of hours before a walk sets off. A lot of people only have internet access at work, for example.

It's not always easy for people to read threads a couple of hours before a walk sets off. A lot of people only have internet access at work, for example.

In the light of my post #025.

What would anyone do to solve this problem?

In the light of my post #025.

What would anyone do to solve this problem?
I suppose one way to get around it is to have a guideline that if a walk is arranged for a weekend, any decision to cancel it completely should be made by a certain time on Friday afternoon, so that those who only have internet access at work get a chance to have a final check on the thread before going home.

I know that's not really helpful in terms of last minute cancellations due to the weather though.

Alternatively, you could have a guideline that walks are only cancelled completely in exceptional circumstances. Perhaps suggest that individual walkers reserve the right not to turn up on the day if they don't like the look of the weather, but others can choose to do so if they don't mind walking in harsher weather.

How about having a database of telephone numbers, so any last minute cancellations can be done over the phone?

I suppose one way to get around it is to have a guideline that if a walk is arranged for a weekend, any decision to cancel it completely should be made by a certain time on Friday afternoon, so that those who only have internet access at work get a chance to have a final check on the thread before going home.

I know that's not really helpful in terms of last minute cancellations due to the weather though.

Alternatively, you could have a guideline that walks are only cancelled completely in exceptional circumstances. Perhaps suggest that individual walkers reserve the right not to turn up on the day if they don't like the look of the weather, but others can choose to do so if they don't mind walking in harsher weather.

How about having a database of telephone numbers, so any last minute cancellations can be done over the phone?

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it is not a Sheffield Forum Walking Section, where the objective is or was for anyone to suggest or invite anyone to join them on a walk, but a Sheffield Forum Walking Group.

The rules and regulations for this being created by groups or cliques of people who are intent on finding ways to dominate or impose their own opinion's regarding how things should be done.

It is possible that by using the Forums P.M. System, E-Mail, or using other Forums, etc,. back up for their opinions could be sought and then expressed as a persons individual independent thought.

I have made it clear to anyone previously, that if they want to join a walk which I'm organising or intend to do, They are welcome to join. If they don't, I'm not the slightest interested.

Over the past few weeks the main criteria as become. ' How many are joining a walk ',or ' Another walk on the same day effects numbers ' . In other words.
' A self imposed numbers game is being created by self elected people '.

Calm down, Albert. You asked what someone would do to solve the problem, so I made a few suggestions :) .

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it is not a Sheffield Forum Walking Section, where the objective is or was for anyone to suggest or invite anyone to join them on a walk, but a Sheffield Forum Walking Group.

The rules and regulations for this being created by groups or cliques of people who are intent on finding ways to dominate or impose their own opinion's regarding how things should be done.

It is possible that by using the Forums P.M. System, E-Mail, or using other Forums, etc,. back up for their opinions could be sought and then expressed as a persons individual independent thought.

I have made it clear to anyone previously, that if they want to join a walk which I'm organising or intend to do, They are welcome to join. If they don't, I'm not the slightest interested.

Over the past few weeks the main criteria as become. ' How many are joining a walk ',or ' Another walk on the same day effects numbers ' . In other words.
' A self imposed numbers game is being created by self elected people '.
Albert I'm not quite sure what you are on about here - how about turning up on the walk next Sunday and we can discuss it:)

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it is not a Sheffield Forum Walking Section, where the objective is or was for anyone to suggest or invite anyone to join them on a walk, but a Sheffield Forum Walking Group.

The rules and regulations for this being created by groups or cliques of people who are intent on finding ways to dominate or impose their own opinion's regarding how things should be done.

It is possible that by using the Forums P.M. System, E-Mail, or using other Forums, etc,. back up for their opinions could be sought and then expressed as a persons individual independent thought.

I have made it clear to anyone previously, that if they want to join a walk which I'm organising or intend to do, They are welcome to join. If they don't, I'm not the slightest interested.

Over the past few weeks the main criteria as become. ' How many are joining a walk ',or ' Another walk on the same day effects numbers ' . In other words.
' A self imposed numbers game is being created by self elected people '.

I presume by "self elected people" you mean the group leaders... we're not self-elected - we're bloody volunteers!!

Anyway, as one, I can assure you there is no numbers game! As I've discussed with you (and others) before, I like the idea of having multiple walks on offer, even if they clash. I think a great many other people do too.

However, what seems to get people's goat is when a walk is organised then cancelled with only a couple of hours notice, sometimes leaving participants stuck at a meeting point, or with not enough details to complete the walk.

Maybe a possible solution to late-cancelled walks is for the originating poster to give fuller details of the walk (more specific route, OS maps to be used, length/terrain, etc), then people attending can be more prepared, and could still go on the walk even if the original poster can't make it.

It's unfair to rant about Hecate's post, she was suggesting solutions, not having a dig at you!

Calm down, Albert. You asked what someone would do to solve the problem, so I made a few suggestions :) .

I'm not having a dig at you or feargal or anyone directly.
What I'm trying to point out is the obsession with ' Numbers joining '.
( Possibly in the wrong environment that I'm use to, to placing my point of view !!)
Its obvious to me, that if someone does not contact the person who is suggesting a walk,
They just turn up and find that it as been cancelled, it is their own fault, no one else's.

On Sunday next, If the weather is fine, I'll arrange myself a lift to Mam Nick then walk via Lords Seat, Rushup Edge to eventually meet Neoteric at the bottom of Jacobs Ladder.

(Or If the weather is like it is now - Organise his rescue!!).

I'm not having a dig at you or feargal or anyone directly.
What I'm trying to point out is the obsession with ' Numbers joining '.
( Possibly in the wrong environment that I'm use to, to placing my point of view !!)
Its obvious to me, that if someone does not contact the person who is suggesting a walk,
They just turn up and find that it as been cancelled, it is their own fault, no one else's.

On Sunday next, If the weather is fine, I'll arrange myself a lift to Mam Nick then walk via Lords Seat, Rushup Edge to eventually meet Neoteric at the bottom of Jacobs Ladder.

(Or If the weather is like it is now - Organise his rescue!!).

Albert I hope you saw the note I put on this walk
Note : as some of this walk is across open, featureless moorland if the weather is bad with poor visibility then the walk will be shortened to an easier 4 mile route.
I think I've said before - check my posts - that we are a responsible group and will cancell or rearrange a walk dependant on conditions and safety - you know I'm not the sort of person to go from one extreme to another just to prove a point!
Hope to see you Sunday - it may be better if you just turn up at the start like everyone else, your last effort at meeting up with us wasn't all that successful was it?

Hang on a minute there guys! I thought the point of the SF walking group was to meet new people, make friends and to socialise, alongside having a shared interest in walking.

As far as I've seen, the walks are planned each week after a discussion amongst the group present at the walk, and consideration is given as to which walk might appeal the most to both current and potential new members of the group.

As a relatively new member of the group, I have never had any difficulty with any of the arrangements so far and I have always found other members of the group to be more than approachable, by PM, Email, or by phone, with regard to additional directions by car etc. when necessary.

It just seems such a shame that there seems to be an ongoing argument situation here. As it clearly states at the top of the Sheffield Walkers Forum page, the walkers' forum exists to provide a place where people (be they individuals or groups of people) can:-

"Discuss favourite walks around Sheffield, plan new walks and get advice on routes and equipment."

.....let's just leave it at that, shall we?

Agreed - .....let's just leave it at that, shall we?

I wont be joining you at the start because at my age I do not want to face the long walk up Grindsbrook. It is a long drag.

I'll have a lift up to Mam Nick then go up to The Lords Seat. Then drop down all the way to the bottom of Jacobs Ladder.

That will depend upon the weather being fine.

[QUOTE=ALBERT T SMITH;2537480) They are welcome to join. If they don't, I'm not the slightest interested.


Gosh Albert you sure do know how to make a person feel welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

[QUOTE=ALBERT T SMITH;2537480) They are welcome to join. If they don't, I'm not the slightest interested.


Gosh Albert you sure do know how to make a person feel welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

Hasty initial judgements are often faulty.
I thrust that we will meet some time.

Hasty initial judgements are often faulty.
I thrust that we will meet some time.

Just be careful where you're thrusting Albert:hihi:

Just be careful where you're thrusting Albert:hihi:

Well said neo!!!

Just be careful where you're thrusting Albert:hihi:

It was early in the morning before the ghoul was out of my eyes.

Rainbow Sky
Don't make haste judgments,
I trust that we will meet sometime.

I've been busy all day scanning some old leaflets about life in the Hathersage area.
They would be ideal for a teacher, If anyone wants a cd-Rom. let me know.

Something for anyone to seach for and post the photographs of any remaining foundations.

MIKE’S OR MICAH’S CHAPEL OR “CHURCH UPPER GRINDSBROOK AND BLUE JOHN MINE.

"Mike's Chapel-or 'Church'-is the name of the small twin-roomed, roughly mortared stone hut near the source of the Grindsbrook-nearly half-a-mile N.N.W. of and beyond the top of its narrow, impressive gorge. I should like to know the history of it, but possibly a Michael somebody built it for an early shooter's hut, sixty years or so ago. There are two rooms, one for the men and one for the ' bosses.' The measurements are 7ft. x 7ft. x 8ft. high, and 7ft. 6 in. x 5 ft. 6 in. x 6 ft. The largest room is roofless and its modern corrugated iron roof was blown away a few years ago. There are two small windows in the large, and one in the smaller room. The 1897 6-inch-to-mile map only records a " Shooting “Cabin.”

This " Cabin " stands at an altitude of about 1970 feet and is the highest shooting cabin in Derbyshire. The origins of most of these moorland curiosities are only ascertained by persistent questioning and friendly gosspis(sic) with the older native-born residents, farmers and labourers, etc., who remember the moorlands when the shooting fraternity were content to have a healthy day's shooting with the dog and gun.

Harry Bragg, following up the clue-with a drink in the Nags Head, Edale, - ascertained on 10/1/25, from an old Edale resident, that " Mike's Chapel," or " Church " is correctly called " Micah's Chapel " or " Church," and was built some 60 to 70 years before by Micah Tym by the then gamekeeper to the Champions of Grindslow House, Edale.

The exact date of erection may be difficult to ascertain, and as we then knew, unless speedily repaired, " Micah's Chapel " will, in a few years, be a heap of ruins and a memory.

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The Sheffield doyen of rock climbers and authority on " Blue John " and the Blue John Mine (Castleton), in a lecture in the Sheffield Central Library in January 1925, stated that the Blue John Mine was re-discovered by two miners (John Kirk and Joseph Hall), who christened it in contradistinction to " Black Jack," the local name for zinc blende ; and that the mine was not opened to the general public until about 1800. He added that in 1836, it was greatly improved by Micah Tym who blasted out new roads, and that, about this period, flagstones were brought from a quarry in Pindale and laid by Ben Tym. In 1857, John Tym, son of Micah Tym, appeared on the scene as guide to the Blue John Mine. John Tym was a geologist, who afterwards became Curator of the Vernon Park Museum, Stockport, and died in 1902, at the age of 72.

The Champions of Edale were owners of the Blue John Mine for many years, then a Mr. S. Needham and, in 1919, Mr. Charles Markham, of the Staveley Ironworks and Mr. Arthur Ollerenshaw (the owners of the Speedwell Mine) purchased the rights from Mr. Markham at Easter, 1924.

Any information about anything will be welcomed.