so what makes a McDojo martial arts center?

The sign above the door that says 'GKR'?

Theres a variety of ways.

Generally the term McDojo is used for a martial arts club that charges a lot and gives very little. Kind of like McDonalds.
I will let you use your own intelligence to see what you term as a McDojo and what you dont.

The sign above the door that says 'GKR'?

Or Castle Black Belt

McDojo. Sounds like a sandwich sold in McDonalds.

Also where you get someone knocking at your door asking you to sign up or where they are stood in the middle of a shoping centre trying to get you to sign up... had a nice run in with a one of these back in newcastle, stupidly they asked me to join there club just after competing in the regional championships... they told me and a mate that our style was rubbish and followed us outside... unfortunatly for them we were not trained in a micky mouse club and they regreted it... was funny at the time but looking back it was probably a stupid thing to do in retaliating but it was self defence.

McDojo. Sounds like a sandwich sold in McDonalds.

...I'm assuming that post is a wind-up? :hihi:

Mc Dojo's are everywhere and there are far too many Black Belts that think they are instructors. Regarding chefkickers comments regarding 'colourful uniforms'??? whats all that about? People live in a modrn era where we have colourful minds and want to feel good. We train in freestyle 'pants' (red black and white) plus t-shirts. Mc dojos are clubs, not academies, that just turn over students without that personall touch, that personal feel good factor. Any one can become an instructor, but can they actually instruct. So the next question comes to a head, are you an instructor or a coach? Is there a difference? I have seen many clubs come and go around my area, and I survive because people believe in what I teach. My head is on my shoulders and not in the clouds and after 17 years my teachings still thrive. I have never had a Taekwondo grading ever where I have not had a new starter there. We train hard and impose a strong belief of positive mindset.
Mc Dojos(?) They are everywhere(just like the fast food chain) and give no thought of the final product. My son is a third dan freestyle taekwondo student at the age of 11. Come see him spar and train, he would leave the average student standing still and as for his kickboxing skills, wow, just watch him go.

chefkicker
What’s wrong with???

Colorful uniforms,
wave master bags and those freestanding bags all over the place ,
Pay by direct debit,
you can get to a high grade without sparring.

It’s more the ethics and instruction at the club not what uniform they have and what type of bags they use? (A bag is better than no bag isn’t, no matter what the type)?
I put the last one in as some arts don’t do sparring at all but are still a Martial Art.


To me a McDojo is a place that you don’t get what you want from training
i.e. they say they do kickboxing when they don’t, you want to do weapons and they teach themselves from books and DVD before teaching you. And things like that.


Master_J
Are you an instructor or a coach???
I’m an instructor when I teach the traditional side of the arts that I do but a hope I think more like a coach when im teaching the Sanda (sport) side.

chefkicker
What’s wrong with???

Colorful uniforms,
wave master bags and those freestanding bags all over the place ,
Pay by direct debit,
you can get to a high grade without sparring.

It’s more the ethics and instruction at the club not what uniform they have and what type of bags they use? (A bag is better than no bag isn’t, no matter what the type)?
I put the last one in as some arts don’t do sparring at all but are still a Martial Art.


To me a McDojo is a place that you don’t get what you want from training
i.e. they say they do kickboxing when they don’t, you want to do weapons and they teach themselves from books and DVD before teaching you. And things like that.


Master_J
Are you an instructor or a coach???
I’m an instructor when I teach the traditional side of the arts that I do but a hope I think more like a coach when im teaching the Sanda (sport) side.


Ok you both have valid points. I agree with some but not others.
Colourful uniforms:
Freestyle pants + T shirt or thai shorts + T shirt are ok for kickboxing.

As for colourful pants , that means you wont find the terms " shiny pants kickboxing" offensive then as that is what we refer to Full contact (kicks above waist system) as, Shiny pants kickboxing :hihi:
Note I did say Full contact and not Semi, Light continuous is a legitimate form of kickboxing, more a precursor to real kickboxing than the ultimate end. A legitimate kickboxing club will not specialise in light continuous but will use it as a "starting point" for the novices.
P.S I have competed in shiny pants kickboxing and many of my students still do :D


With regard to the "freestanding" and "wavemaster" bags.
I personally prefer sandbags, heavybags, maize balls and speedballs.

An 11 year old with a 3rd Dan Black belt? How can someone aged 11 have the power or the correct mindset and maturity OR have contributed as much to kickboxing at that age?
Im sorry but I disagree completely.
The only place to see him go would be on a kickboxing show. I would be glad to match him up with your consent MasterJ. Obviously with another of equal standard regarding age, weight and experience. We will have our next show in November.

We agree on a few things and disagree on a lot. That is what forums are for.
The main thing is your ethics are good.
Yours in Martial Arts.
Farhad Ali
a.k.a. chefkicker
a.k.a. the annoying pest :P

With regard to the "freestanding" and "wavemaster" bags. A true kickboxing club will not use bags such as the aformentioned.
Those kind of bags are for kids quite simply. A real kickboxing club should have sandbags, heavybags, maize balls and speedballs.

An 11 year old with a 3rd Dan Black belt? How can someone aged 11 have the power or the correct mindset and maturity OR have contributed as much to kickboxing at that age?
Im sorry but I disagree completely.
The only place to see him go would be on a kickboxing show. I would be glad to match him up with your consent MasterJ. Obviously with another of equal standard regarding age, weight and experience. We will have our next show in November.

We agree on a few things and disagree on a lot. That is what forums are for.
The main thing is your ethics are good.
Yours in Martial Arts.
Farhad Ali
a.k.a. chefkicker
a.k.a. the annoying pest :P

Ha ah chefkicker, an 11 year old not having the 'power', correct mindset and maturity!!!!!! My son has trained since he was five years old and has been graded for his 3rd dan by Grand Master Liversidge from Canada. He was the highest scorer on the day and was grading with five adults, two of whome were also grading for their 3rd dan. To have the right 'power'....power for what? He did his grading impecably and his attitude is to all martial arts is second to none. Having won his first British Title at full contact TKD Sparring at the age of 7 and also winning the team Bo Staff competition on his first attempt, i'm affraid it is I who disagree with you this time. And offering to show his worth in the ring, just to prove a point to you he is worthy...well chefkicker, you must only judge how good your students are by how many times they knock each other out????? Just how good is your Insurance? To train to purposely hurt others is against all Insurance policies. So we all must train in a controlled manner, mixing light contact with controlled contact to full body armour contact. Yep we have it all covered here. Multi styled and multi skilled. Blinkers removed and seeing others as equals and not below us.
Wave masters are only to be used by kids!!!!! OH dear chefkicker, you have not obviously seen a modern dojang for some time, we have moved on from the darkened seventies my friend, most academies have both hanging bags and freestanding ones, becasuse we can actually teach multi-styles martial arts incorperating diffent techniques for all. The freestanding ones are more expensive and have its advantages and disadvantages, but advantages out way the dis-advantages big time. Wake up to the new millenium and move forward with your eyes open. There is more to life out here than just 'real kickboxing' which by the way is actually 'American Kickboxing'.
few!..... now I can breath and look forward to your reply.:hihi:

I'm looking forward to this one. Get ready for world war 3

Keen ;)

I saw an 11 year old performing in a thing organised by playstation in manchester Piccadilly gardens called 'monkey moves'.

Don't know what belts he had but he definitely deserved them, awesome bo staff work and kung fu tricks (e.g. back somersault while running forwards). I was involved in a teaching session they put on, tried to learn one of the 'simpler' flashy kicks (720 jumping spinning crescent) and failed miserably.

Suppose what I'm getting at is that if dedicated enough, a high level of ability can be reached at a reasonably young age.

Disagree that training with contact is bad though. It's possible to train quite high contact without really damaging anyone, provided conditioning and skill levels are high enough. Not that you'd want to do it all the time...

Don't think anyone really trains at 100% contact and aggression. One of my favourite drills is to train vale tudo with about 40-50% striking contact, enough to know you've been hit but it lets you flow and work technique. When we train at 80+% contact it's more realistic and gives a feel of the pressure of a real fight, but wouldn't want to do too often - 15 minutes every few sessions is enough to remind you of your vulnerabilities.

I'm looking forward to this one. Get ready for world war 3

:hihi:
Duck and cover! :roll:

MasterJ
Your post is far too long, even your sentence structure is a bit longer than normal but never mind. I will attempt to read it and adress your points one by one.

1.Quote" Ha ah chefkicker, an 11 year old not having the 'power', correct mindset and maturity!!!!!! My son has trained since he was five years old and has been graded for his 3rd dan by Grand Master Liversidge from Canada. He was the highest scorer on the day and was grading with five adults, two of whome were also grading for their 3rd dan."

Good for him , who is Master Liversidge ? Not that it matters. I stand by what I said. I dont believe an 11 year old should be allowed to hold a 3rd dan. To me a 3rd dan is an instructor with more than a decade of experience in both training and teaching as well as having contributed to the sport. i.e. in refereeing, judging, promoting , grading examinations etc.
Just to be given a 3rd dan because they can do a few flips and twirl a staff around and have a "perfect side kick" etc,... No wonder people from Boxing , Muay thai and MMA mock the grading system so much.




2. To have the right 'power'....power for what?

A 3rd Dan should be able to defend themselves against a fully grown adult. I honestly cant see an 11 year old doing that.
Martial arts are for self defence ultimately. An art is only as good as its level of applicability.

3. "He did his grading impecably and his attitude is to all martial arts is second to none. Having won his first British Title at full contact TKD Sparring at the age of 7 and also winning the team Bo Staff competition on his first attempt, i'm affraid it is I who disagree with you this time."

Good for him. Well done again.


4. " And offering to show his worth in the ring, just to prove a point to you he is worthy...well chefkicker, you must only judge how good your students are by how many times they knock each other out?????"

You do advertise what you do as "kickboxing" wether "korean " or otherwise. Generally in kickboxing , you are judged by your achievements or your skill in the ring in actual competition.
A "good kickboxer" is one who competes and does well wether win , lose or draw.
I have not competed in the ring since the year 2005 , so I wont begin to consider myself to be a "good kickboxer" even though I have not lost since 2003 :hihi:

By the way "kiddies matches" on my fight nights are generally Light continuous not Full contact so no worries there.



5." Just how good is your Insurance? To train to purposely hurt others is against all Insurance policies. So we all must train in a controlled manner, mixing light contact with controlled contact to full body armour contact. "

My insurance covers full contact and thai boxing as well as light continuous. My full contact shows are insured too by the way. Full contact is not really that scary by the way, if people are trained and conditioned correctly then it is not a problem.

I do agree with training in a controlled manner and believe it or not that is what we do, ask any of my fighters.


6. " Yep we have it all covered here. Multi styled and multi skilled. Blinkers removed and seeing others as equals and not below us.
Wave masters are only to be used by kids!!!!! OH dear chefkicker, you have not obviously seen a modern dojang for some time, we have moved on from the darkened seventies my friend, most academies have both hanging bags and freestanding ones, becasuse we can actually teach multi-styles martial arts incorperating diffent techniques for all. The freestanding ones are more expensive and have its advantages and disadvantages, but advantages out way the dis-advantages big time. Wake up to the new millenium and move forward with your eyes open."




I have seen a modern Dojang "kim Stones Black Belt academy"

As for multi style and multi skilled , isnt everyone these days?

7. " There is more to life out here than just 'real kickboxing' which by the way is actually 'American Kickboxing'."

Sorry to disapoint you but american kickboxing is what we refer to as "shiny pants " kickboxing :hihi:

Yes there are other styles such as K-1 style kickboxing, Thai-kickboxing, Low kick kickboxing, Light continuous kickboxing and Sanshou.:D

:rant: :loopy:

Now that you've both set out your stalls, can you just agree to disagree rather than have this thread go the way of so many others before?

:rant: :loopy:

Hi yorkie,
You may think im being :loopy: and it must also drive you :loopy:
but you must remember that your chief instructor Master Jessop's post was just as :loopy: as mine was.

We have different approaches to training thats all. I still think your cool though.
:thumbsup:

Not to carry this episode on for longer than needed, but what you can not seem to grasp is so easily black and white. You personally have got to admit to yourself and learn to live with the fact there are different Ma's out there and there is going to be some people with a higher grade than you, no matter what style or age...accept this without your blinkered views.
A 3rd dan should be able to defend him/self against an adult??????
Way off the mark there again,
Grand Master Liversidge to you by the way, is the one the most senior ranked officials in ITF TKD in the world and has graded his last 3 Dans in front of Koreas great Masters, and he will admit it him self, is no spring chicken now.(sorry GM Liversidge)
Your integritiy comes to question everytime you post a thread here claimimg that your training is the greatest and all other styles are not recognised by you or given the respect.
This generally comes from what I have been known to call, 'WEEKEND WARRIORS '. people who get their so called instructorship from weekend seminars and claim to know it all, surley this is not you ....is it? Hmm I wonder. It makes my 3 year studying and training, winning the British Championship, Irish Championships, AMA Champion, Yorkshire Champion and representing my country numerous amounts of time worthless then doesn't it? All that and still not an instructor until granted my Instructorship by my mentors and Grand Masters.
Well there it is, my CV for you to dismiss and not recognise.
We will surelyhave another 'discussion' again some time.
Teach well and train hard, and ........no this is not the time or place, I will save this one for later.:hihi:

Or Castle Black Belt

Isnt that an unfair statement? Castle Black belt is taught by Ross Pettifer who is a former champion Cage fighter. It is unlikely that a club would be a McDojo with such high pedigree of instructor.
Im imagining that it would be nigh on impossible.

Not to carry this episode on for longer than needed, but what you can not seem to grasp is so easily black and white. You personally have got to admit to yourself and learn to live with the fact there are different Ma's out there and there is going to be some people with a higher grade than you, no matter what style or age...accept this without your blinkered views.
A 3rd dan should be able to defend him/self against an adult??????
Way off the mark there again,
Grand Master Liversidge to you by the way, is the one the most senior ranked officials in ITF TKD in the world and has graded his last 3 Dans in front of Koreas great Masters, and he will admit it him self, is no spring chicken now.(sorry GM Liversidge)
Your integritiy comes to question everytime you post a thread here claimimg that your training is the greatest and all other styles are not recognised by you or given the respect.
This generally comes from what I have been known to call, 'WEEKEND WARRIORS '. people who get their so called instructorship from weekend seminars and claim to know it all, surley this is not you ....is it? Hmm I wonder. It makes my 3 year studying and training, winning the British Championship, Irish Championships, AMA Champion, Yorkshire Champion and representing my country numerous amounts of time worthless then doesn't it? All that and still not an instructor until granted my Instructorship by my mentors and Grand Masters.
Well there it is, my CV for you to dismiss and not recognise.
We will surelyhave another 'discussion' again some time.
Teach well and train hard, and ........no this is not the time or place, I will save this one for later.:hihi:

No offence masterJ but you going off like that are not doing yourself OR your club any favours. What is the average punter off the street going to think when logging onto this forum?
"oh dear, these martial arts instructors are always arguing with each other NOT a good pastime for little johnny who needs someone decent to take example from."

Now the training methods etc I recommend,advocate or speak in favour of are MY opinions and 9 times out of 10 they are in the context on kickboxing.
It is very rare that I will give an opinion on Judo or Karate as they are not my specialist subject. However my opinions based around kickboxing ARE my specialist subject.

I have had a conversation with my "sheikh" (spiritual guide) on various aspects of martial arts training partially in relation to what I have spoken about on here.

OK the following topics , you can agree with what the hell you want or disagree with what the hell you want.

1.Use of the word master.
In the old english school system, the maths master = the head of maths, the science master= the head of science,...in thaiboxing they call the head trainer "Arjarn" which means master anyway.
If people want to do it then let them.

2.Uniforms=
Karate/Judo generally use a white uniform
Kung Fu use a black uniform
Olympic boxing use red Gloves/headguard/shorts,..etc for Red corner and the same for Blue corner
Wear what the hell you want , makes no difference.
We at AFK have Black or Navy Blue T shirts! Some of the girls have got pink gloves/pink handwraps.
Again no big deal

3.Training equipment.Again up to you , some people use thaipads, some people use focus mitts, some people just work on bags like boxers.
WTF Taekwondo use the kicking paddles. Some dojos use the wavemaster or freestanding bags some self defence based styles use a rubber man called Bob.
Again use what ever suits you.

4. Black belts.
Different people have different syllabuses. Someone once said that "side kick" should be included in the first grading but I dont insert it till the 2nd Grading.
It all depends on what you see a Black belt to denote.
To me the Black Belt is a large responsibility to confer upon someone. It is like conferring onto someone the title of "jedi knight"!
I personally dont think an 11 year old should be a 3rd dan. What happens if they pack it all in once they discover girls and going out? Are they going to sit there with a pint in their hands when theyre like 18 or 19 saying "oh i was a Black belt 3rd dan when i was 11" . Do you see where im coming from?

I never claimed that kickboxing was better than everything else. Personally I dont really care what goes on in most martial arts. Most martial arts are not what I focus on or pay attention to.
That does not mean that I dont respect other styles just that Im focused on my own style thats all.
Occasionally I take a small interest in other systems but that is all.

By the looks of things it seems that you dismiss anyone whose opinions you dont agree with.
Is that so? Do you not realise that we live in a world where freedom of thought, belief , expression and speech are a RIGHT.
As such I have exercised my rights to believe what I believe. If you want to believe what you believe what you do then good luck to you.
You enjoy your Taekwondo and I will enjoy my kickboxing.
THE END.

Hi yorkie,
You may think im being :loopy: and it must also drive you :loopy:
but you must remember that your chief instructor Master Jessop's post was just as :loopy: as mine was.

We have different approaches to training thats all. I still think your cool though.
:thumbsup:

Hey Yorkie,
This thread is getting more and more :loopy: by the hour. Isnt it a pity that people cant be more chilled about everything the way people like ourselves are. Theres loads of people I disagree with no need to fall out over it.

Just a quote, noting more : 'some one who trains martial arts for 10 years must like it, some one who trains for 20 years must be ok at it, some one who trains a life time will be starting to understand it.'

Hey Yorkie,
This thread is getting more and more :loopy: by the hour. Isnt it a pity that people cant be more chilled about everything the way people like ourselves are. Theres loads of people I disagree with no need to fall out over it.

Hello again chefkicker, don't get me wrong as everyone has their faults (even me ;)) but one thing I can say about Master J is that he really is a chilled out person, also very funny & a G8 mixed martial arts instructor. Making training enjoyable & rewarding for all concerned.

So please don’t get the wrong end of the stick as he was only defending his son (as anyone would) & to what he believes in with an unbiased passion & pride.

Finally let us all agree to disagree & have a cold one sometime in the near future. :partyhat:

Hello again chefkicker, don't get me wrong as everyone has their faults (even me ;)) but one thing I can say about Master J is that he really is a chilled out person, also very funny & a G8 mixed martial arts instructor. Making training enjoyable & rewarding for all concerned.

So please don’t get the wrong end of the stick as he was only defending his son (as anyone would) & to what he believes in with an unbiased passion & pride.

Finally let us all agree to disagree & have a cold one sometime in the near future. :partyhat:

Ill have an orange juice or a coca cola please (do not drink due to religious constraints.) The octagon, 31st of august (if TanyaT1 buys me a ticket :D)

Ill have an orange juice or a coca cola please (do not drink due to religious constraints.) The octagon, 31st of august (if TanyaT1 buys me a ticket :D)

Your On! :razz:

Can't you 2 get back to bickering?

It brightens up a boring day at work, I think chef kickers posts brighten the day up

1. Use of the word master.
I don’t like the word master but kung fu uses the word sifu (master/ teacher/ farther) but it words like sifu, sensei, coach and so on do exist
To me the name of the person is not important it’s the instruction and ethics that is important isn’t it???

2. Uniforms
Is it the uniform that makes the martial artist or the person and what they put into there training???? I know some lads that train in pink but I would not like to call them for what they train in they would KO me lol

3. Kids and Black belts.
Ok this is a big 1 MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm
Look at the post Kids with black belts lol

Can't you 2 get back to bickering?

It brightens up a boring day at work, I think chef kickers posts brighten the day up

Your not wrong there M.C! :hihi: So come on Chef what about starting a thread about MA bickering or shedding some light on the term 'Weekend Warrior', to which Master_J was enquiring about :confused:

PS- We should all be out in the sun while it lasts! :cool:

kids with black belts in martial arts
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=245172

Your not wrong there M.C! :hihi: So come on Chef what about starting a thread about MA bickering or shedding some light on the term 'Weekend Warrior', to which Master_J was enquiring about :confused:

PS- We should all be out in the sun while it lasts! :cool:

Hi yorkie
My own clubs website have their own forum. Feel free to start any crazy threads on there. ESPECIALLY threads about weekend warriors and bickering.
You cant bicker on here youll get banned!!!

Hi yorkie
My own clubs website have their own forum. Feel free to start any crazy threads on there. ESPECIALLY threads about weekend warriors and bickering.
You cant bicker on here youll get banned!!!

And we don't want that do we Chef! :(

And we don't want that do we Chef! :(

LOL Yorkie
Hey are you "master bradshaw" by any chance? I have seen a picture of the instructors on the website. If that IS you and you are 6'3" tall, then master jessop must be 6'7" tall!
Will i need a step ladder in order to debate my views with him?
:hihi:
P.S are you coming to rotherham saturday?

LOL Yorkie
Hey are you "master bradshaw" by any chance? I have seen a picture of the instructors on the website. If that IS you and you are 6'3" tall, then master jessop must be 6'7" tall!
Will i need a step ladder in order to debate my views with him?
:hihi:
P.S are you coming to rotherham saturday?

Oh no that's not me! :shocked: I'm not that experienced or as high graded as Instuctor Mr Bradshaw (me & Master J are roughly the same height though.)

By the way I'm fairly new to TKD & KKB, I did however train in Muay Thai & did a bit of boxing at Brendan’s in my early days, but a knee injury (through football) put an end to that for a few years (make that 10 lazy years :help:)

PS- You will still your step ladder Chef!!! :banana:

Im sure today's kickboxing champions work out against wavemasters and padded lollipops as opposed to thaipads and sandbags/concrete bags :P

Good point. The day I see Mirko 'Cro-Cop' Filipovic or Peter Aerts using a Wavemaster is the day I'll change my mind about 'modern' training aids.

Good point. The day I see Mirko 'Cro-Cop' Filipovic or Peter Aerts using a Wavemaster is the day I'll change my mind about 'modern' training aids.

This is the thing you see, NOT everyone wants to be the next peter aerts let alone compete at all.
Wavemaster bags, you kick them you bounce back. Im sure if i was a lot younger , as a precursor to kickboxing training Im sure i would have loved one to kick about. I might actually buy one for use at home.
Wavemaster bags have their uses as do heavybags.
Everyone does martial arts for different reasons.

There is :
Recreational martial arts = Various types
Traditional martial arts = karate, judo,aikido, various forms of kung fu
Full contact martial arts = kickboxing, muay thai, boxing MMA
Self defence systems = kapap , JKD and in some cases : some forms of kickboxing or even muay thai.
Semi contact systems = Taekwondo, laugar kung fu.
Acrobatic martial arts = Wu Shu , Freestyle karate, Taekwondo,XMA

That is the thing these days, there has to be a flavour for everyone.
Can everyone train in full contact styles ?
NO
Likewise, semi contact/acrobatic and recreational styles would bore hardcore practitioners.

What would you do with say kids aged 5-8 years old?
What would you do with the 47 year old guy who just enrols alongside his teenage kids as a compliment to playing squash on a wednesday?
Try pointing them towards a full contact gym such as Wicker camp, AFK or sheffield Shoot?
Not always a good idea.

Try pointing the 21 year old Ex Boxer roughneck towards a classical kung fu or Taekwondo school? He would soon lose interest as forms and patterns are not his thing?

Different flavours for different people

Life and martial arts is about choices.

Just a note for the above mentioned....Taekwondo falls in the FULL CONTACT, SEMI CONTACT, TRADITIONAL, SELF DEFENCE SYSTEMS categories and not the Acrobatic one.
Knowledge is the bomb!!!

Rubbish lads, this threads pathetic.

What we need is someone to claim to be a kickboxing world champion, who clearly doesn't know the difference between an elbow strike and an air strike.

I'm doing a boring admin job tommorrow, and as such looking for an entertaining bicker........ so come on lads...Spice it up.

Rubbish lads, this threads pathetic.

What we need is someone to claim to be a kickboxing world champion, who clearly doesn't know the difference between an elbow strike and an air strike.

I'm doing a boring admin job tommorrow, and as such looking for an entertaining bicker........ so come on lads...Spice it up.

Im a world champion in life and a European champion in bull****.
Im also a master of the air strike and the "off the wall jump" .
I also happen to be especially good with shurikens and knives. In my spare time , i enjoy flying (but sometimes i stab!). My girlfriend Jessica Simpson was kidnapped by the Mad Gears Gang.

Go on then start bickering?
:hihi:

Im a world champion in life and a European champion in bull****.
Im also a master of the air strike and the "off the wall jump" .
I also happen to be especially good with shurikens and knives. In my spare time , i enjoy flying (but sometimes i stab!). My girlfriend Jessica Simpson was kidnapped by the Mad Gears Gang.

Go on then start bickering?
:hihi:

Got to agree with you Chef on the 'European Champion of bull ****' statement. :thumbsup:

I actually think that you could quite easily become the 'Undisputed World Champion' in it! :lol:

chefkicker
Try pointing the 21 year old Ex Boxer roughneck towards a classical kung fu or Taekwondo school? He would soon lose interest as forms and patterns are not his thing?

Kung fu is not all about forms that is only a very very small part of the training is.
Granted a lot of kung fu schools do focus way to much on the forms but not all.
The forms are worthless if you can’t apply the theory and techniques.

I have a old student up Newcastle and I know two other kung fu club up there that train Door staff I also have a kung fu brother that trains door staff, police and the military he also runs a big body guard business in london.
So I think that comment is invalid.
That would be like me saying you don’t do proper kickboxing chefkicker
lol

Mind a lot of kung fu clubs live in a world of there own just like other martial arts.

ive startde a new forum about martial arts . all martial arts questions and posts can be made there come and join more members the better forum will be check link below

ive startde a new forum about martial arts . all martial arts questions and posts can be made there come and join more members the better forum will be check link below
Jesus wept, will you give it a rest already??
Why can't we just use this forum for Martial Arts questions?

hmm i have been training and teaching jujitsu for the last 13yrs and am not a third dan would love to know how an 11 yr old got to it in such a short time thought the usual time pattern 1yr between 1st kyu and 1st dan and 2yrs between 1st and 2nd and 3yrs between 2nd and 3rd dan and so on lol god i feel slow now :D