I can remember living in Sheffield in the 80s when the ripper was caught......... I was only young at the time but I can remember the shock of him being found so close to home.....

Apparantly he is hoping to move to a normal prison rather than a hospital so that he can than apply for a release date.

I hope and pray that he will not suceed.

news story here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2833589.stm)

He will never be released,he is in the same bracket as Ian Brady a danger to society,better for us all if they hang scum like him & the taxpayer will be better off.

Scary times indeed. My mum used to pop round to a friend of hers a two minute walk round the corner and I was absolutely terrified wondering whereabouts the Yorkshire Ripper might be that night.

I remember him being found down a lane near King Edward VII School, Broomhill but even then I felt quite worried; maybe they'd got the wrong man?

Ah, the early eighties eh? The Toxteth and Brixton Riots, black and white newspapers and three TV channels. But in a strange way, the Specials' Ghost Town just summed all this up, a number one single in June 1981.

But as for letting Sutcliffe out. No doubt some civil liberty plonkers will be working on his release - and compensation - right now.....,

There's nothing wrong with civil liberties. I wonder who the plonker is here?
I believe in civil liberties, I also 5think Sutcliffe should be never released (and he won't be!) Do you think were are all friends of Fred West as well?

There's nothing at all wrong with civil liberties, quite the opposite, but there are those who do not deserve them, murderers being some of them.

Some-one who i used to work with in the employment services was the copper who caught him.
He came to work with us after he retired from the police force!!

John

Sutcliffe is blind in one eye after being stabbed with a pen by a fellow inmate in 1997.

Ahh what a shame eh?

My mum was just a bit older than me when the yorkshire ripper was caught

the girl who used to live next door to me was a "working girl" (coff). she and the lass that they finally caught sutcliffe with, used to work as a pair, on the streets.

It's eerie to think that he was as close as he was to murdering someone here in Sheffield.

I was only eleven when his first known victim was killed, (in 1975) I was much of an age of one of this woman's sons..

The youngest girl who was murdered by him was only 16, she was only about a year older than I was. (edit to add/ correct:- she was killed in June 1977, making her 3 or so years older than me)

I remember the terror and fear that we women felt, going out at night, particularly. Every bloke was viewed with the greatest of suspicion. every bloke, or any bloke could have been the yorkshire ripper. Thank god he was caught.

I heard that the sheffield coppers who caught him never got the offered reward that the newpapaers etc out up, because he was arrested by thenm in the course of their duties.

That was a proper SWIZZ! It was so unfair!

They should have received DOUBLE the reward, AND medals, on medals, for what they did. It's unbelieveable that they nabbed this ***@*@*"(:, simply because they were astute enough to cotton on to the dodgy number plates on the car..

Amazing. Those coppers should have had a knighthood for what they did.

PT

Strange how events can link up your life.
I went to Bradford College in 1980,as a [very!] mature student and the whole city was under siege,as it were. One of the Ripper's victims had been found a few yards away from our Halls. She had been a student at Bradford Uni.
Then,they caught him just after the New Year[1981] on Melbourne Avenue.M.Ave. begins at Southbourne Road and comes out at Glossop Road.They caught the Ripper at the Glossop end.
Way back in 1956-8,I used to do a paper round on my bike for a shop on Ecclesall Road.Part of the round was down Melbourne Avenue and then down Newbould Lane.
Not a lot of people even know M.Ave. exists as it's not a through-road for traffic.
Good job he got caught when he did or Sheffield could have been the next on his list.

I thought they caught him on malbourgh road at broomhill in a hotel carpark. although this may be wrong I read it in a book a few years ago

Originally posted by honeyplanet
I thought they caught him on malbourgh road at broomhill in a hotel carpark. although this may be wrong I read it in a book a few years ago

Honeyplanet, no, it wasn't in a pub car park; he had gone down an alley behind Westbourne Rd (melbourne is the name I recall) and was caught there.

He had made out to the prostitute with whom he was caught, that they were going to this secluded area for "business".

It is almost certain, (as sheffexpat says) that this young woman was going to be his next "victim", because of the weight of the evidence that the police recovered.

On his arrest, Sutcliffe pretended that he needed to go for a wee, and craftily hid the hammer and screwdriver he was carrying, behind a drainpipe/ down a drain.

The police were astute enough to go back and check where he'd been, and found the "tools" hidden in the drain. This was more incriminating evidence against Sutcliffe.

A lot of women breathed a huge, collective sigh of relief when he was convicted.

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
I heard that the sheffield coppers who caught him never got the offered reward that the newpapaers etc out up, because he was arrested by thenm in the course of their duties.

That was a proper SWIZZ! It was so unfair!

They should have received DOUBLE the reward, AND medals, on medals, for what they did. It's unbelieveable that they nabbed this ***@*@*"(:, simply because they were astute enough to cotton on to the dodgy number plates on the car..

Amazing. Those coppers should have had a knighthood for what they did.

PT

Yes it was the false number plates that brought attention to the car. I'm not sure how long after this the police figured out who they were holding. After he was arrested and recognised as the Ripper he apparently almost escaped through a toilet window at the police station - caught by his legs as he slipped out. Does anyone know if that bit is true or is it a modern myth?

Btw - Melbourne Ave was a through road in those days - the bollards at the traffic lights are a recent addition.

It was in the press the other week about someone wanting to marry him. What kind of a person would want to marry someone like that?

Originally posted by Lickszz
It was in the press the other week about someone wnting to marry him. What kind of a person would want to marry someone like that?

Whhaaaatttt?

If that is true shouldn't they be thinking about locking her up? :loopy:

I hope they keep an eye on these weirdos! :shocked:

Originally posted by sparklesista
Whhaaaatttt?

If that is true shouldn't they be thinking about locking her up? :loopy:

I hope they keep an eye on these weirdos! :shocked:

Hopefully a CIVIL LIBERTY plonker would marry him, after all, it's their job to protect his rights. Just as it is, to ensure Abul Hamza can sue the government for not looking after him properly (via the NHS), just as they will ensure Maxine Carr can be granted a new identity to protect her against the nasty mob after her blood (poor little darling). And then there's the case of the Jamie Bulger 'murderers'. Can I use such harsh language.

Yeh, under the protection of their CIVIL RIGHTS, they too can be guaranteed an anonymous life, hopefully one full of joy and riches and maybe, who knows, the chance to do the same again!

Let's hear it for Civil Liberties (and The Guardian, Polly Toynbee, et al).

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Hopefully a CIVIL LIBERTY plonker would marry him, after all, it's their job to protect his rights. Just as it is, to ensure Abul Hamza can sue the government for not looking after him properly (via the NHS), just as they will ensure Maxine Carr can be granted a new identity to protect her against the nasty mob after her blood (poor little darling). And then there's the case of the Jamie Bulger 'murderers'. Can I use such harsh language.

Yeh, under the protection of their CIVIL RIGHTS, they too can be guaranteed an anonymous life, hopefully one full of joy and riches and maybe, who knows, the chance to do the same again!

Let's hear it for Civil Liberties (and The Guardian, Polly Toynbee, et al).

Ousetunes you were born out of time and out of place. How about pre-war Mississippi? You could really have vented your spleen on Civil Righters then, what a shame.

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
Ousetunes you were born out of time and out of place. How about pre-war Mississippi? You could really have vented your spleen on Civil Righters then, what a shame.

Too many grey hairs admittedly, but no, just this side of the summer of love. Impressed you got all the s's in Mississippi though.

Merry Christmas, Ned.

That's very CIVIL of you:P Cheers.
All the best to you as well, have a good one.

I recall a television documentary on Sutcliffe of a few years ago, in which his father was interviewed and filmed at home. One memorable moment was the father's anger towards the police. They had not allowed him to keep his son's tools [some of which had been used in imaginative ways in the course of the Ripper's atrocious crimes]. "They are all I have of him", said Mr Sutcliffe [senior].

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Hopefully a CIVIL LIBERTY plonker would marry him, after all, it's their job to protect his rights. Just as it is, to ensure Abul Hamza can sue the government for not looking after him properly (via the NHS), just as they will ensure Maxine Carr can be granted a new identity to protect her against the nasty mob after her blood (poor little darling). And then there's the case of the Jamie Bulger 'murderers'. Can I use such harsh language.

Yeh, under the protection of their CIVIL RIGHTS, they too can be guaranteed an anonymous life, hopefully one full of joy and riches and maybe, who knows, the chance to do the same again!

Let's hear it for Civil Liberties (and The Guardian, Polly Toynbee, et al).

Carr is allegedly living not far from Sheffield, I won't name the town, but it's only a 20 minute drive from Sheffield,and of course she enjoys the full protection of the law (shame) and no it's not Clay Cross.

Originally posted by timo
I recall a television documentary on Sutcliffe of a few years ago, in which his father was interviewed and filmed at home. One memorable moment was the father's anger towards the police. They had not allowed him to keep his son's tools [some of which had been used in imaginative ways in the course of the Ripper's atrocious crimes]. "They are all I have of him", said Mr Sutcliffe [senior].

Well at least we know he inherited his mentality from his dad and not his mum then! :loopy: :?

It was indeed on Melbourne Avenue that he was arrested. I was delivering the post down there the next morning and (perhaps) if I'd spotted the hammer and screwdriver which were hidden behind an oil tank next to the letter box there would have been no evidence. :o

Incidentally, we used to live on College Street just below Melbourne Avenue and the night before we had been drinking in The Notty. My other half left early and I persuaded her not to go down Beech Hill Road, as that was where the nurses homes were, but to stick to the main road - past the end of Melbourne Avenue. She is still convinced I knew he was there.

Better luck next time Max....Psssst wanna buy some powdered glass? :heyhey:

Originally posted by Plain Talker
Honeyplanet, no, it wasn't in a pub car park; he had gone down an alley behind Westbourne Rd (melbourne is the name I recall) and was caught there.

He had made out to the prostitute with whom he was caught, that they were going to this secluded area for "business".

It is almost certain, (as sheffexpat says) that this young woman was going to be his next "victim", because of the weight of the evidence that the police recovered.

On his arrest, Sutcliffe pretended that he needed to go for a wee, and craftily hid the hammer and screwdriver he was carrying, behind a drainpipe/ down a drain.

The police were astute enough to go back and check where he'd been, and found the "tools" hidden in the drain. This was more incriminating evidence against Sutcliffe.

A lot of women breathed a huge, collective sigh of relief when he was convicted.

PT

My friend was a WPC in Sheffield a few years ago, and she told me that Peter Sutcllife didn't hide his weapons at the scene on Melbourse Avenue, but they were found in a toilet cistern at the nick on Hammerton Road. Perhaps this is why the arresting officers did not receive the reward? Of course, it could by a made up story, but she definately believed it.

Kristian x

Originally posted by Kristian
My friend was a WPC in Sheffield a few years ago, and she told me that Peter Sutcllife didn't hide his weapons at the scene on Melbourse Avenue, but they were found in a toilet cistern at the nick on Hammerton Road. Perhaps this is why the arresting officers did not receive the reward? Of course, it could by a made up story, but she definately believed it.

Kristian x

I have some books about him and this is true. Sutcliffe did hide something (a hammer?) in the toilet cistern at Hammerton Rd.

And I'm not sure whether the bit about the arresting officers and a reward was in jest, but they aren't allowed to get monetary gain for doing their job.....?!!!

i dont think he tried to escape through the window,as far as i remember he tried to hide something in the water tank in the toilet, that is what made the police go back to melbourn and do a search of the area.

My mum and nan used to live in a huge house at Broomhill that had been turned into flats.Theyhad the basement flat and apparantly the 'tools' of the ripper were found at the bottom of their drive.
A few weeks previous to him bieng caught,my nan had been approached on her way back from work by a man asking her for 'business'..........makes you wonder eh?

I read somewhere that Peter Sutcliffe had a drink in the Springvale on commonside before he got caught, not sure how true that is.

Originally posted by Lickszz
It was in the press the other week about someone wanting to marry him. What kind of a person would want to marry someone like that? somebody that likes having sex then getting murderd

Originally posted by Kristian
My friend was a WPC in Sheffield a few years ago, and she told me that Peter Sutcllife didn't hide his weapons at the scene on Melbourse Avenue, but they were found in a toilet cistern at the nick on Hammerton Road. Perhaps this is why the arresting officers did not receive the reward? Of course, it could by a made up story, but she definately believed it.

Kristian x i heard the same story from a pc two days after sutcliffes arrest,all they had him for at the time was displaying stolen number plates on his car

I remember watching the news on the morning after Sutcliffe's arrest, and being shocked, not just by the arrest of the Ripper, but because I recognised one of the women working as prostitutes as a former fellow pupil of the school I had attended until 1978. The ex-pupil of Hinde House had declined to get into the car with the Ripper , viewing him as untrustworthy-looking. The image of her weeping face, as she clung on to her friend in front of the tv cameras was a sad and poignant one; a million miles from the cheerful mixed-race girl I knew from school. I hope that she has created a better life for herself since then.

the son of the last victim has written a book which i read before christmas

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0091898218/qid=1105100705/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/202-4343848-8507028

incase that doesn't work its called just a boy by richard mcgann. it was a sad reminder that these things are not forgotten by those involved and the events have repercussions which can go on for many years

i think the advert @ the side of this is ironic car number plates lol

Hi - I'm new here. Great site BTW.

I'm a Sheffield lad (South Anston) and am researching the Ripper right now.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Denise Hall or Olivia Reivers (the two prostitutes caught up in the arrest of Sutcliffe)?

I'm wanting to hear stories from anyone who remembers the period.

I don't mind if you post here or email me: unclespoons@btinternet.com

It's a really interesting thread this! :)

Originally posted by Spoons
Hi - I'm new here. Great site BTW.

I'm a Sheffield lad (South Anston) and am researching the Ripper right now.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Denise Hall or Olivia Reivers (the two prostitutes caught up in the arrest of Sutcliffe)?

I'm wanting to hear stories from anyone who remembers the period.

I don't mind if you post here or email me: unclespoons@btinternet.com

It's a really interesting thread this! :)

hi all,
interesting thread. I was born & raised in sheffield & humberstone, but i became a west ozzie in 1967.
However i went over to uk in 2000 & we went to blackpool & stayed in a b & b. A woman who stays there often was a victim of the ripper who lived. To be kind- she was a bit weird wouldn't lock a door (even the loo), yelled if anyone even slightly surprised her. She seemed to be always with a younger woman (daughter maybe).
cheers

Want an interesting read about the Yorkshire Ripper? See www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/hyper/preface.htm and read the book by Noel O'Gara, "The Real Yorkshire Ripper". Just another opinion.

max....are you graham p??????

punks not dead says cliffy......

Originally posted by Tets
Want an interesting read about the Yorkshire Ripper? See www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/hyper/preface.htm and read the book by Noel O'Gara, "The Real Yorkshire Ripper". Just another opinion.

I have read that Tets, it gives a lot of food for thought.

It is a fascinating thread.

I'd love to be able to track down Olivia Reivers or her Denise Hall if anyone knows of their whereabouts nowadays.

I'd love to hear more of people's memories too - maybe you know some of the police who were involved in the investigation.


:)

Yes," owdlad", especially since the recent diasappearance of "the Tapes". Evidence missing. Investigators all retired or passed away. Suspicious to say the least.

I worked at a school at this time and one of the mothers was the wife of senior Sheffield policeman. The morning after the arrest she came to school and told us that one of the arresting Police was known amongst the squad as bit of a peeping tom.
They had had complaints from courting couples about a man peeping in the car windows carrying a bucket, which I presume was his helmet.
Perhaps this is why he didn''t get the reward.

hazel

I used to go for swimming lessons one night a week to King Edwards baths and used to walk up Newbould Lane to the bus stop at Broomhill. I remember one night a car drove past really slowly and the driver was staring at me so that I felt quite nervous. When the ripper was caught a few months later it spooked me whether it could have been him.

The day before the arrest of the ripper someone in one of the local pubs suggested that a man answering the suspects description was out and about in the Eccesall Road/Broomhall areas. It was alsosuggested after the arrest had been made that the officers concerned were perhaps where they should not have been. It was further alleged that certain items were secreted by the ripper in a toilet cistern at the police station . Immediately after the suspect was taken into the police station it was sealed off to some extent and the station was virtually closed for a time. There were and are no conspiracies regarding this. Most if not all of the officers who had contact with this case have now retired. Many are still alive and well and thankful that by whatever means the ripper was detained. I shall make no further comments on this.
Pomona

When he got caught it made my life a little easier. I was working as a croupier at the Tiberius Casino and before going to work at night I'd go to the gym for a workout. At four in the morning when we closed, the club taxi would drop me off near my place at Edward Street Flats. Of course I'm carrying my gym bag, and more than once the cops would appear from nowhere, make me empty my stuff on the pavement. I guess they were looking for an axe or knife or something. Anyway after they caught him I never saw the cops again.

Yes oldpomona, I remember the person fitting his description
hanging around the Ecclesall area.
When I had finished work at Rabone Chestermans I was
followed up Montgomery Street by a man in a car, I lived on Cemetery Road at the time and he followed me right to my house, I ran in and told my parents, then I found that the same man had followed my sister as she went to the CO-OP at the bottom of Cemetery Road. We called the police and gave them the description of the man and the numberplate on his car. They said you know who you are describing dont you? a couple of days later the police said they had located the man,and apparently he had been working away from home he admitted to police that he had been out searching for prostitutes and had got the wrong area. A week after this they caught the ripper im almost certain that it was the same man, and with the info we had provided they managed to catch him. We didnt get any reward though.
:mad:

I guess your reward was being alive to tell the tale after a close shave with Mr Sutcliffe.

Yes I suppose your right, never thought of it like that.

A previous posting mentioned being afraid to go out etc during the reign of the ripper.

I thought back to that time ... I was 21 when he was arrested and although when he was discussed at work I agreed with the general consensus that it wasnt safe to go out alone, I dont think it really curtailed my activities or made me go home in fear looking over my shoulder.

I was a student nurse for a brief period prior to his arrest and obviously had to do shifts and come home alone, go to work in the dark etc. I cannot remember being excessively frightened at all. I wonder whether this was just the foolishness of youth, or the fact that my mother/boyfriend never harped on about me coming home alone, so I just got on with it.

I remember waiting in the crowd outside of the court after his first appearance, I was with a mate of mine, and he was screaming and shouting obcenitiese at him for all he was worth. Things like " you lousey B'stard," ( I think it means born out of wedlock.)"I'll get you for this" Ranting and raving he was, for half an hour at least. Pushing his way through the crowd trying to get at him, Steady on Jim I said to him, what's he done to you? "He pinched my effin number plates he said." I am going to kill him.

Originally posted by Lickszz
It was in the press the other week about someone wanting to marry him. What kind of a person would want to marry someone like that? someone that likes having sex the getting their brains bashed out.

The prostitute that was with Sutcliffe when he was caught was up in court a few weeks later for soliciting again. I know her name but won't put it here for data protection reasons. However you'd have thought she might have taken 5 after such a close shave wouldn't you?

My friend was a WPC in Sheffield a few years ago, and she told me that Peter Sutcllife didn't hide his weapons at the scene on Melbourse Avenue, but they were found in a toilet cistern at the nick on Hammerton Road. Perhaps this is why the arresting officers did not receive the reward? Of course, it could by a made up story, but she definately believed it.

Kristian x

he did hide a knife in the cistern at hammerton rd the other articles were found on melbourne avenue tha hammer and screwdriver. the west yorkshire police did not want to know when hammerton rd told them they had caught the ripper. It was only when bob ring returned the following evening 26 hours after the arrest and recovered the items at melbourne avenue that the police in west yorkshire started to take any notice. one more thing if it was not for the custody sargeant refusing to realease him within a hour of his arrest he would have walked out without charge. the two arresting offices did not have a clue who he was it was a hunch by the custody sargaent that kept him there he should have got the reward money

I know a lad that was actually at the station on a charge, who had to be moved out of the station because of Peter Sutcliffe. My mate could have really sorted him out too if he'd have known. Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one go. No need to waste tax payers cash keeping him in Prison either....if only eh?he did hide a knife in the cistern at hammerton rd the other articles were found on melbourne avenue tha hammer and screwdriver. the west yorkshire police did not want to know when hammerton rd told them they had caught the ripper. It was only when bob ring returned the following evening 26 hours after the arrest and recovered the items at melbourne avenue that the police in west yorkshire started to take any notice. one more thing if it was not for the custody sargeant refusing to realease him within a hour of his arrest he would have walked out without charge. the two arresting offices did not have a clue who he was it was a hunch by the custody sargaent that kept him there he should have got the reward money

I have read that Tets, it gives a lot of food for thought./


this book was written before the chap in SUNDERLAND got caught this makes the book pure fiction

I worked at a school at this time and one of the mothers was the wife of senior Sheffield policeman. The morning after the arrest she came to school and told us that one of the arresting Police was known amongst the squad as bit of a peeping tom.
They had had complaints from courting couples about a man peeping in the car windows carrying a bucket, which I presume was his helmet.
Perhaps this is why he didn''t get the reward.

hazel

The news of his arrest was kept secret for three days arrested friday news released mom pm

I read somewhere that Peter Sutcliffe had a drink in the Springvale on commonside before he got caught, not sure how true that is.

peter sutcliffe did not drink

The prostitute that was with Sutcliffe when he was caught was up in court a few weeks later for soliciting again. I know her name but won't put it here for data protection reasons. However you'd have thought she might have taken 5 after such a close shave wouldn't you?

her name as already been mentioned on this thread

/


this book was written before the chap in SUNDERLAND got caught this makes the book pure fiction


The man who wrote that book posts on the forum under the name (strangely enough) of noelogara, and hopefully he may pass some comment on this thread.

the girl who used to live next door to me was a "working girl" (coff). she and the lass that they finally caught sutcliffe with, used to work as a pair, on the streets.

It's eerie to think that he was as close as he was to murdering someone here in Sheffield.

I was only eleven when his first known victim was killed, (in 1975) I was much of an age of one of this woman's sons..

The youngest girl who was murdered by him was only 16, she was only about a year older than I was. (edit to add/ correct:- she was killed in June 1977, making her 3 or so years older than me)

I remember the terror and fear that we women felt, going out at night, particularly. Every bloke was viewed with the greatest of suspicion. every bloke, or any bloke could have been the yorkshire ripper. Thank god he was caught.

I heard that the sheffield coppers who caught him never got the offered reward that the newpapaers etc out up, because he was arrested by thenm in the course of their duties.

That was a proper SWIZZ! It was so unfair!

They should have received DOUBLE the reward, AND medals, on medals, for what they did. It's unbelieveable that they nabbed this ***@*@*"(:, simply because they were astute enough to cotton on to the dodgy number plates on the car..

Amazing. Those coppers should have had a knighthood for what they did.

PT
Deffinately agree.
Duties? Bah.

peter sutcliffe did not drink
Peter sutcliffe spent a lot of time in pubs, so im sure he did drink. A good book that i read was called "somebody's husband somebody's son. This book starts from when he was born right up to his trial and is a good insight into his life.

Read the book by Richard McCann, whose mother Wilma was murdered by Sutcliffe, it makes your blood run cold thinking what he and his sisters have gone through because of Sutcliffe.

The book is called Just a boy.

Read the book by Richard McCann, whose mother Wilma was murdered by Sutcliffe, it makes your blood run cold thinking what he and his sisters have gone through because of Sutcliffe.

The book is called Just a boy.
Old stamps or new ones ?

Yes it was the false number plates that brought attention to the car. I'm not sure how long after this the police figured out who they were holding. After he was arrested and recognised as the Ripper he apparently almost escaped through a toilet window at the police station - caught by his legs as he slipped out. Does anyone know if that bit is true or is it a modern myth?

Btw - Melbourne Ave was a through road in those days - the bollards at the traffic lights are a recent addition.

False number plates on his car was indeed his undoing. After sentencing his car was up for sale. I wouldn't want it though. It must have had some right hammer.

Peter sutcliffe spent a lot of time in pubs, so im sure he did drink. A good book that i read was called "somebody's husband somebody's son. This book starts from when he was born right up to his trial and is a good insight into his life.I've began to read through the thread and it's very interesting. I remember going on "Ripper hunts" with about 20 or so of my biker mates around the Havelock Square area. You could always tell the "undercover" cops in their Talbot Horizon cars.
Crackers really, l don't know what the hell we did it for either.
I actually met a young fella in Leeds in 1983 who used to go to school with Jayne McDonald l believe the Ripper's youngest victim. He lived a few houses away from her. His wish was to be in the same room as Sutcliffe, the words amputation and skinning alive were used alot .

There's nothing wrong with civil liberties. I wonder who the plonker is here?
I believe in civil liberties, I also 5think Sutcliffe should be never released (and he won't be!) Do you think were are all friends of Fred West as well?


Probably:rant: :rant:

Read the book by Richard McCann, whose mother Wilma was murdered by Sutcliffe, it makes your blood run cold thinking what he and his sisters have gone through because of Sutcliffe.

The book is called Just a boy.

I read this book - I read the final 3 chapters or so while I was waiting for my passport to be done in Liverpool. I was in the cafe in the Tate and remember reading the last part of the book and tears streaming down my face. Nobody should have to live through what they went through.

After his name was released, a local haulage contractor showed me his signature in a book, as he had signed for a cargo.

The arresting officers were,in fact,awarded some money as a token of their diligence.It wasn't much though-about a hundred quid each.I also believe Sutcliffe was about to be banned for DUI at the time of his arrest.