Hi peeps

Just trying to look for a bit of advice, I've decided now I'm single and have too much spare time on my hands that I'm gonna get my body in a nice good shape... I've been going to the gym regulally for the last month or two, usually 2 or 3 times a week depending on my work load at Uni...

I'm trying to add some bulk to my frame as well as improving my general fitness, currently weigh about 9 stone (approx 65kg?) but I want to try and gain at least a stone of muscle onto my skinny frame...

so anyone have any tips for exercises to do? free weights? best to stick to machines? and whats with protein drinks/shakes, are they worth getting?

I'm naturally slim, I know its not impossible for me to gain muscle but currently I can't find the right set-up of diet/exercise to start gaining properly... got an appointment with an instructor at the gym on monday so I'll see what he reccomends for a regime too :)

btw, I go to Sheffield Hallams gym :)

thanks peeps

Well, from Monday, I'll be going to the local gymn that is local authority ran. Fitness First are good - but quite expensive - £40 DD pcm and around a £70 set-up fee. You can use any nationwide one, your nearest are Hillsborough and another in the Millhouses district.
For main body improving, I'd go for rowing machine and treadmill, along with the weights.

Alex Originally posted by xafier
Hi peeps

Just trying to look for a bit of advice, I've decided now I'm single and have too much spare time on my hands that I'm gonna get my body in a nice good shape... I've been going to the gym regulally for the last month or two, usually 2 or 3 times a week depending on my work load at Uni...

I'm trying to add some bulk to my frame as well as improving my general fitness, currently weigh about 9 stone (approx 65kg?) but I want to try and gain at least a stone of muscle onto my skinny frame...

so anyone have any tips for exercises to do? free weights? best to stick to machines? and whats with protein drinks/shakes, are they worth getting?

I'm naturally slim, I know its not impossible for me to gain muscle but currently I can't find the right set-up of diet/exercise to start gaining properly... got an appointment with an instructor at the gym on monday so I'll see what he reccomends for a regime too :)

btw, I go to Sheffield Hallams gym :)

thanks peeps

Ps: Scrub the bit about FF, if you are at SHU gym.


Alex

i'm no expert, but the cv stuff (running, cycling, rowing) is good to loose fat which will allow muscle definition to show. But the only way to add muscle is with some weights.
I can't say whether free weights are better, but i'm seeing some results using a range of the machine weights. The thing is to do all the different exercises (most can be used more than 1 way) I think, otherwise you'll overwork some muscles and not others and end up imbalanced. Free weights probably give you more control to avoid that problem, but also require a bit more to use as you need to know what you're doing each exercise for.

If you go for quite rapid muscle build up, include some stretching in your routine so as not to lose flexibility.

The comment about getting rid of the fat to allow muscle definition to show through, it's quite important. You can have a perfect 6 pack, but it won't show at all until you get your body fat % down enough. (Mines still too high, but the 6 pack is there I tell you :thumbsup: )

I think my body fat is quite low, I'm like 5' 10" and only 9 stone, thats my problem, no fat and also little muscle, I want to gain the muscle :) I have a slight six-pack... I'm working on it, it just needs a bit more definition ;)

I'm just wondering about diet and protein drinks and stuff as well as exercises, I've been making sure I try and cover all my major muscles... do the abs, the lower back, shoulders, bi-ceps, tri-ceps, pecs, thighs, calves... about 8 machines or so I use, as well as rowing machine and running machine for warm-up...

and yeah, I remember to streach after a workout, I'm nowhere near as flexable as I used to be when i was younger, like mid-teens... I dont want to loose anymore flexability :(

does anyone know if protein drinks are worth the money to suppliment your diet and give extra stuff for your body to use? if so what are some good ones? I've been trying to research body building and diet's and suppliments and there is SOOOOO much conflicting stuff its unreal, and the diet side theres like nowhere to find reviews saying a particular suppliment is good or bad or average... it sucks, I thought the internet had everything? :P

I tried protein drinks and something called Carbo Energizer when i used to do a bit of training. Unfortunately it effected more than my muscles :suspect: :heyhey: . The offending supplements were promptly binned!.

Don't forget to train your Traps!. Your Biceps, Triceps and Abs will be lost under a jumper. Your Traps will show through almost anything!.

When you get well and truly in to it, you can try something called 'cheat curls'. I would finish my session with 3 sets of Bicep curls and then do 1 set of 'cheat curls'.
If you are curling....say....30kg, you need to up it to around 40kg. Now you get a good stance and do a set of 6 curls. This is obviously going to be too much at the end of a session so you will tend to 'rock' your body forwards when lifting. This is normal, just make sure you are not bending your back at any point.

After this you will feel the 'burn' that bodybuilders get addicted to and in no time at all your Biceps will start to gain mass.

my personal opinion is to avoid protein shakes and supplements.

If you aren't getting enough of something from your normal diet, then you'll simply want more food that has the 'missing' ingredient.

Taking the supplments will mostly end up just passing straight through you as your body will discard what it doesn't need.

1 point to note is that once you've gained this muscle you will have to continue working out to some extent to keep it otherwise it will turn into fat or just disappear.

Originally posted by Cyclone
1 point to note is that once you've gained this muscle you will have to continue working out to some extent to keep it otherwise it will turn into fat or just disappear.

This is a good point. I trained for 2 years solid and a further 2 years on and off at home.

If you do not keep up the work, it will be undone in a matter of weeks!.

I stopped training some 8 years ago. The result: Lots of fat! :(

If I were you I would stick to free weights as far as possible and make sure you are doing the big compound movements (e.g. squats, deadlifts bench press) with lots of weight. Log the weight you use for your exercises and try and keep slowly increasing it so you keep an overload on your muscles. Personally I like to use a full body workout each time I go to the gym which may look something like this:

Deadlift or Squat
Bench Press or Incline Bench Press
Wide Grip Chins or Seated Cable Rows
Standing Shoulder Press or Clean And Press
Shrugs or Supine Flies
Parallel Bar Dips or Barbel Curls
Some weighted abdominal movement

Each done in 2 sets of 8-12 reps with the total workout taking about 30 to 40 mins.

I would avoid the shakes at al just make sure you get a good varied diet with plenty of quality protein. Make sure you also get some fats in your diet - preferably from things like olive or fish oils. Oh and try to eat a number of small meals rather than a few big ones to keep you body well fueled.

N.B. this is just what seems to work in my experience - I'm not a trainer or anything and as such YMMV!

If you want to stay in shape one of the best excercise routines is the one created for British Navy recruits. I will find out the name of the book for you as I've got it knocking around somewhere.

As for gaining weight eating lots of Jacket Potato is a good way. Unfortunately if you want to take it seriously it means Morning/Lunch/Dinner and before bed. Lots and lots of Jacket Spud and you'll look like the Hulk in no time.

jacket potatoes are carbs, it's not much use for building muslce, that needs protein.

lots of chicken and steak is best I've heard, cus its packed full of protein... carbs are for giving your body energy, protein and the almino acids in them are used for muscle growth and repair...

thats why I'm asking whether protein shakes are worth the investment as I really dont have the time or money to cook steaks and chicken most days, plus I eat with my family so I don't want to start cooking my own seperate meal each night... was just thinking I could eat how I normally do and drink a protein shake once a day or two smaller ones just to boost my protein intake as like an extra little meal...

i think having an extra bit of chicken or meat (doesn't have to be steak) would be better than having a protein drink.

Originally posted by Cyclone
jacket potatoes are carbs, it's not much use for building muslce, that needs protein.

Better tell me mate who's into body building then chap.

It's simple, yet nobody on here really has a clue!

I'll keep it short.

To build muscle= More weight, less reps.
To tone muslce= Less weight, more reps.

Don't work the same muslce group everyday... Just won't have time to recover and will be counter productive. If you're seriously going to give it some lash, think about using creatine before/during training, and then whey protein after training.


Eating simple carbs, that burn quickly (fruit, etc) beforehand is good.. but eating complex carbs (potatoes) at tea time won't do anything but make you fat.. As they burn slowly and by the time they're ready to be burnt.. You'll be tucked up in bed, and your body will have no choice but to store it as fat.

CV work (cycling, jogging, rowing, machines etc) is counter productive if you're trying to build muscle.. So stick with free weights.

Buy the bible (Arnie's bodybuilding book).. It's a gem.

For advice on what to eat and when, as well as a detailed workout plan.. Speak with your gym's fitness instructor.

Alternatively, post any further questions on here and I'll answer them.

To sum up, YES.. Protein drinks are worth the money if you're going to be hitting the gym hard, but are pointless if not. Protein basically helps your muscles recover.

Advice such as:

For main body improving, I'd go for rowing machine and treadmill, along with the weights.

Alex



my personal opinion is to avoid protein shakes and supplements.



Personally I like to use a full body workout each time I go to the gym


As for gaining weight eating lots of Jacket Potato is a good way

..Is exactly what you need to disregard.

To build muscle, mixing CV work with free weights will only tone your muscles.. Not build.
If you're training hard, use whey protein.. If you're not training hard, your body will naturally recover without supplements.
If you work too many muscle groups, you have to give them time to recover. Work 2 or 3 groups per session MAX.
Eat potatoes in the day, yes..but eating them at night will just make you fat unless you're going to be up and to the gym in the morning. They're a complex carb and burn very slowly.


Any questions, feel free to ask.

GazB

way to put everyones back up in 1 post oh font of all knowledge gym related GazB.

Given that xafier is just going to be starting to use the gym it's highly unlikely that he will be using it intensly enough to need protein shakes. They aren't some magic drink that makes your muscle build (as you clearly know) and unless you are working extremely hard in the gym are of no use.

Not sure why you think that CV will somehow counteract the effect of the weight lifiting. there's absolutely no reason not to combine the two.

xafier said he wanted to build muscle- So I gave him advice in doing so.

Mixing CV work with weight lifting IS counter productive when trying to put on some serious muscle.

Body building isn't the same as martial arts Cyclone, I only have this knowledge because I've asked before.

unless you are working extremely hard in the gym are of no use.

I did say they are effective IF he is training hard enough.

Originally posted by GazB

If you work too many muscle groups, you have to give them time to recover. Work 2 or 3 groups per session MAX.

Strange then that using a full body workout as printed 2-3 times a week for roughly a year I have put on just over 3 stone!

Eat potatoes in the day, yes..but eating them at night will just make you fat unless you're going to be up and to the gym in the morning. They're a complex carb and burn very slowly.

Potatos are actually fairly high GI and rapidly broken down and absorbed

Originally posted by GazB
xafier said he wanted to build muscle- So I gave him advice in doing so.

Mixing CV work with weight lifting IS counter productive when trying to put on some serious muscle.

Body building isn't the same as martial arts Cyclone, I only have this knowledge because I've asked before.



I did say they are effective IF he is training hard enough.

it's lucky that i have an interest in the gym then. The interest is through my MA background yes, but I've read a fair bit and talked to people about the subject in general.
How is it that CV is counterproductive? I've not heard that before. (Not ruling it out, just interested).
The only reason I can think of is that it would leave you tired and thus able to spend less time on weights.

CV can be counter productive if you are doing some serious body building - its rather better to split CV and weight training and save your energy for picking up heavy things!

Personaly I go for a HIT type approach - brief intense workouts a couple of times a week and that seems to work nicely for me as a weight builder and I find I can still do some swimming/boxing whatever as CV work a couple of times a week without too much problem :)

I'm speaking purely from what I've been told by pro's.. Not my own opinion! Most of which was from a fitness instructor that has been doing it for 20 years!

Personally I don't go to the gym at all! I just do thai boxing 3 times a week and eat decent, and I'm pretty well build and damn strong for my age and size.. That's through press-ups (hundreds), squats, stamina tests and then of course the actual MT (rounds and rounds of bag work etc).

I drink LOADS of water, hence having quite ripped up arms.

If you're dead skinny and want to just improve your body a bit.. Speak with a qualified fitness instructor about a diet plan.. Then get stuck into the gym.

Here's a few statements to think about:


Let's get one thing straight, the building blocks to developing a superior body can be summarised in two words: "motivation" and "persistence". This cannot be emphasised enough. As long as you are motivated in the first place and persistent, you will get the body you want.


If you are a beginner, stick to the basic movements and don't worry about specialist concentration exercises. You cannot define a muscle that doesn't exist! Go with the Squat, Bench Press, Shoulder Press, Chins / Bent-Over Rows, Deadlift and Barbell Curls. Later on, you can concentrate on more specialist movements.

Train at least 3 times a week and no more than an hour at a time. Studies have shown that Testosterone levels start to decline after about 45 minutes of exercising. So if you are training for longer than an hour, then anything you do will probably begin to be counter-productive. Keep the reps to between 6-10. Don't overtrain! Keep it intense and try to "work the muscle", rather than "lift the weights"! Get a pump and feel your muscles doing the work.


YOU MUST CONSTANTLY TRICK YOUR BODY

The body is very clever and lazy by nature. It does not like change and likes to stick to a set routine. This is why it is imperative that you shock it by constantly changing everything you do! Change your routine as often as you can. By this, one doesn't mean changing what works for you, but changing the order of your exercises, reps, sets and ultimately moving away from those exercises which are not giving you results.


HOW TO MAKE SUPER GAINS BY MANIPULATING YOUR DIET!

Eat lots of Complex Carbohydrates (pasta, rice, potatoes and bread), lots of protein (meat, eggs, Ionic Exchanged Whey Protein, and milk, if your body is not allergic to it!). Don't consciously go out there to eat fats, as you will get it from your diet anyway.

Eat more of a Complex Carbohydrate that works for YOU. This is an overlooked point, but many people find that they get a lot bigger on certain types of Carbohydrates and don't get much from others. For example some people swear by pasta, others say rice does it for them! Experiment, record the results and see what works for you. Replace lost glycogen by having a banana, immediately after training.


OTHER TRICKS TO GET YOU BIGGER!

Drink lots and lots of water. The majority of your body is made up of water, drink at least 1.5 litres a day. You will get a lot bigger!
Sleep at least 8 hours a night! Growth takes place when you are asleep. No sleep, no growth!
Take Explosive Creatine or LA Muscle's Pure Creatine Monohydrate. They will get you big!
Don't take anything which produces oestrogen; these being foods such as Soya, Cannabis or alcohol.

I have a gym instructors qualification and I agree with most of GazB's comments except that mixing CV with weights wont build muscle.

It will build muscle and build it well, it will just take longer.

Without going into detail I suggest popping into Body Active at the bottom of the moor.
The guys in their really (and I mean really) know their stuff.

They'll advise you what shakes are good for what and what routines will build you muscle the best for your body size and shape.

:thumbsup:

Good luck mate!

Yeah, Body Active is good (there's a picture of my trainer next to the counter winning his world title).. I use the boxing shop on Eccy Rd across from Reg Vardy...

Can't go wrong with creatine, good stuff :thumbsup:

I just done a good work out at the gym, I sat down and had worked out a routine with one of the fitness blokes at the Uni gym...

he sorted me a routine out, basically start with streaches and warm ups... no aerobics apart from cycle and rowing for warm-ups/warm-down...
work major muscles in arms and legs first, then minor muscles in arms, do the abs, warm down, streach...

all the exercises on the machines at the moment, in a month he'll start introducing some free weight exercises to me, he said I have to try not to do too much aerobic stuff as my high metobolism means i will be burning myself out, to gain muscle I need to pack in the food, and LOTS of it... he reccomended my a protein shake, I got some £15 for 1.5kg... just mixed some up, think I did it wrong cus it tastes crap! lol

his food reccomendations was try and get plenty of good meat, not greasy take-away crap, eat plenty of bananas, protein shakes to get in an extra meal or two a day...

do the work-out 3 times a week unless I havn't fully recovered from a session...

got weighed in at 58kg, my current target is 60kg, I'm hoping to reach it by mid Jan :)

Originally posted by xafier
I just done a good work out at the gym, I sat down and had worked out a routine with one of the fitness blokes at the Uni gym...

he sorted me a routine out, basically start with streaches and warm ups... no aerobics apart from cycle and rowing for warm-ups/warm-down...
work major muscles in arms and legs first, then minor muscles in arms, do the abs, warm down, streach...

all the exercises on the machines at the moment, in a month he'll start introducing some free weight exercises to me, he said I have to try not to do too much aerobic stuff as my high metobolism means i will be burning myself out, to gain muscle I need to pack in the food, and LOTS of it... he reccomended my a protein shake, I got some £15 for 1.5kg... just mixed some up, think I did it wrong cus it tastes crap! lol

his food reccomendations was try and get plenty of good meat, not greasy take-away crap, eat plenty of bananas, protein shakes to get in an extra meal or two a day...

do the work-out 3 times a week unless I havn't fully recovered from a session...

got weighed in at 58kg, my current target is 60kg, I'm hoping to reach it by mid Jan :)
LOL I can gain that 2kg in about a fortnight without trying.
If only we could swap metabolisms for a month - you'd be sorted Xafier my good man :thumbsup:

theres a supp called cuts 3 that bulks you up

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
theres a supp called cuts 3 that bulks you up
Sorry Natalie to be the giver of bad new but it actually Cuts you up (as in visable muscles - water loss - burn fat) it does exactly it says on the bottle ;)

yeah so u burn fat quicker and build muscles? wouldnt that make u bigger?

Building muscle is done by turning the fat/mass that is there into muscle.

If you burn fat, you won't get bigger muscles.. Just more ripped up ones. CV work mainly burns fat and rips you up, hence the reason I wouldn't do CV if I was trying to bulk up.

oh i didnt think u could turn fat into muscle? shows what i know

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
oh i didnt think u could turn fat into muscle? shows what i know
You can't turn fat into muscle but you burn fat, tear musle by the weights training you do and the protein you ingest creates new muscle strands in between those that tear.

It's a misconception that fat is turned into muscle, fat is an energy source only.

so im not totally stupid , cool. so im doing weights etc have little muscle but cant get rid of my tummy? how come?

Depends on the exercise you're doing.
Obviously sit ups are great but so are leg raisers and chrunches (advanced - painful sit ups).

Are you doing sit ups on an incline? Depending on HOW you do sit ups will depend on which region of the abs that are targetted.

The lower abs (tummy section) are the hardest part of the abs to target anyway.
I've heard good reports about the 'total abs' trainer. You sit on it like a chair and crunch using a forward / backward rocking motion.

Does the abs, obliques, thigh and ass muscles all at the same time apparently.

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
I've heard good reports about the 'total abs' trainer. You sit on it like a chair and crunch using a forward / backward rocking motion.

Does the abs, obliques, thigh and ass muscles all at the same time apparently.
yeah i use that at fitness first
also used to go to boxing at 363 club in hillsbrough and he taught us this - lie on back feet in air straight and kick them both up - it hurts so much and does other bits of tummy
still doesnt get rid of tummy though - maybe i shouldnt drink!

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
so im not totally stupid , cool. so im doing weights etc have little muscle but cant get rid of my tummy? how come?

it's a common misconception that you can target fat burning. It doesn't work like that.
Working on your abs will actually be building muscle underneath the fat that is already there. Whilst the fat that is burnt will come from all over the body.
So what you might find is that you tummy will become larger!

If it's excess fat that is a problem, then cut down on the weights a little and do a lot more cv work. Once your body fat % is down you'll be able to see the muscle that you do have, and then target areas to increase the muscle bulk.

Most scientific studies (maybe all, i've never seen one to the contrary) indicate that taking creatine supplements has no beneficial effect. This is mainly because creatine is actually digested. So it's a waste of money, although might have some placebo effect. You'd get better value from eating some oily fish (and I don't mean a haddock from the chip shop).

£15 for 1.5kg of protein drink, how many portions does that make, and how would it have compared to buying some lean meat or chicken breasts? And it tastes crap...

Natalie whilst cyclone is correct in what he's saying with the burning of fat and that being taken from all over the body, you CAN target the toning area.

If you work solely on the muscles of your abs for example you soon see the fat be dispersing from that area and you muscles start to appear.

It's a little misleading saying that just because the fat come from all over the body it wont show benefits on your stomach because I can name at least a hundred people I know personally who could prove that to be wrong.

If you work on the lower abs whjen doing sit up (your tummy area) you will find that you will soon start to lose the fat in that area and muscle will show. However you may not want muscle coming through. Also targeting that area is not easy as I've previously said.

This is (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=3860986466&rd=1) the ab machine that I have heard good things about.

that's not the generally accepted sports science view.

That's fine, but the tried and tested view proves it works.

and science proves it doesn't. I'll take a scientific study or anecdotal evidence anyday.
Unfortunately google returns a million hits trying to sell you some wonder drug that will remove fat from wherever you like, so i can't find a link to a relevant article.

Well when you do feel free to post it.
have you done a Sports Science course? Or perhaps a fitness instructors course?

I have and whether you believe it or not, I can line up a selection of people that will physically show you targeted exercise to reduce fat in a specific area.

Originally posted by Cyclone
£15 for 1.5kg of protein drink, how many portions does that make, and how would it have compared to buying some lean meat or chicken breasts? And it tastes crap...

not sure how many portions it will make, we'll see when I finish it... and yeah I could have bought a load of meat, but its easier to make up a shake to drink at work than cook a steak or a chicken ;)

and i cant eat oily fish... I dont eat fish, I dont like it.. I get plenty of good meat intake, I just thought I'd try some of these shake things to get an extra meal in when I'm at work, its easier to just drink a drink than eat some meat whilst typing at a computer screen ;)

and it tasted crap cus I mixed it wrong me thinks... it said use milk preferably, but I had non spare... so I used water... lol, plus i think i put too much power... bah, im sure i'll figure it!

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Well when you do feel free to post it.
have you done a Sports Science course? Or perhaps a fitness instructors course?

I have and whether you believe it or not, I can line up a selection of people that will physically show you targeted exercise to reduce fat in a specific area.

no, just an interested amateur.

How exactly will they show me this, unless I can see a before and after set of measurements, and there is a control person who performs non targetted exercise to compare at the end.

Or maybe they can show me 1 portion of their body with no fat and another that still has much fat... And then explain why there body doesn't do the natural thing and redistribute it?

Well if you're up for some hard work they'll take you through are targeted excercise programme which will prove to you that even your non believer body will do what humans have been able to do since the dawn of human time. :D

If you want I'll even go with you and take you through the targeted routine and we'll both see this materialise over time. How's that!

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Well if you're up for some hard work they'll take you through are targeted excercise programme which will prove to you that even your non believer body will do what humans have been able to do since the dawn of human time. :D

If you want I'll even go with you and take you through the targeted routine and we'll both see this materialise over time. How's that!

if i had the time.
seriously, i don't doubt that there would be loss of fat, but i believe that it would occur from all over my body, not just from 1 place.

just to elaborate a little.
the reason i believe that is that your body does not break down fat whilst you exercise to provide energy, if you use up all your glycogen it will actually start breaking down muscle as this is more efficient.
Fat is broken down later when you are not exercising and your glycogen levels are being replenished. So at that point there is no localised energy drain and your body will break down fat evenly across the board.

Again this what you're telling us, with no evidence to back it up (although I agree with the theory).

However in practice this can be proved differently.
I'm not saying that energy and fat isn't used across your body, it does... however tagerted excercise of the same area, promotes muscle toning and that area will see fat disappear more rapidly than and unexercised area will.

Why do you think you can see cyclers with well toned legs with no fat at all but their upper body (if unused as much) will have a higher fat and less toned look about it?

Why do paraplegics who are wheelchair bound have excellently toned upper bodies, but their lower limbs which cannot get used have a higher fat storage?
They're both forms of targeted exercise.

i'd need to get hold of some cyclers or wheelchair bound people to check.
Obviously they will have better muscle tone, definition and bulk in the exercised area, but most cyclers (tour de france type stuff) have very little body fat at all. It's a shame that google just turns up links to wonder drugs, or one or the other of us could offer some article or other evidence to back up our theories.

With no expert knowledge to offer, can I just ask:

In general, are there not some areas of the body that are the first for fat deposit and some that are the first for fat loss?

Originally posted by Cyclone
i'd need to get hold of some cyclers or wheelchair bound people to check.
Obviously they will have better muscle tone, definition and bulk in the exercised area, but most cyclers (tour de france type stuff) have very little body fat at all. It's a shame that google just turns up links to wonder drugs, or one or the other of us could offer some article or other evidence to back up our theories.
I'll prove my side it to you - come to the gym, we'll setup a programme and you will see it for yourself. :roll:

Originally posted by cgksheff
With no expert knowledge to offer, can I just ask:

In general, are there not some areas of the body that are the first for fat deposit and some that are the first for fat loss?
That's very true CGKSheff.
The tummy area, and general mid section of the male body is prone to gaining the fat cells first as are hips and buttocks on a lady.

can we all watch?? dirk i hope ur not being grumpy!

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
can we all watch?? dirk i hope ur not being grumpy!
Me??? Never ;)
People just don't seem happy with my explanation of things but are too busy to let me prove them wrong.

You can happily watch but I expect the workout programme will be at least a 3 month committment 3 times a week.
Alternatively he can always go and talk to the guys at Body Active & any body builder will 'tell' you the same as I am.

If i had 3 evenings free a week i'd already be using them to do something.
I go to the gym twice a week (when I stay away in Birmingham, but you're welcome to join me), I teach Jiu Jitsu once a week and train once a week, I swim twice a week and visit my parents for 1 evening. I'm also trying to decorate the bathroom, have a social life and find time to sit down and read a book for a few minutes.
None of which is made easier by the 1.5hr commute each way to work.

Originally posted by Cyclone
If i had 3 evenings free a week i'd already be using them to do something.
I go to the gym twice a week (when I stay away in Birmingham, but you're welcome to join me), I teach Jiu Jitsu once a week and train once a week, I swim twice a week and visit my parents for 1 evening. I'm also trying to decorate the bathroom, have a social life and find time to sit down and read a book for a few minutes.
None of which is made easier by the 1.5hr commute each way to work.
I didn't say it would be easy :P

Originally posted by xafier
not sure how many portions it will make, we'll see when I finish it... and yeah I could have bought a load of meat, but its easier to make up a shake to drink at work than cook a steak or a chicken ;)

and i cant eat oily fish... I dont eat fish, I dont like it.. I get plenty of good meat intake, I just thought I'd try some of these shake things to get an extra meal in when I'm at work, its easier to just drink a drink than eat some meat whilst typing at a computer screen ;)

and it tasted crap cus I mixed it wrong me thinks... it said use milk preferably, but I had non spare... so I used water... lol, plus i think i put too much power... bah, im sure i'll figure it!

can i jus say that protein shakes taste great! depends on how much u earn to get em, yeah it helps and its kinda cheating, strawberry, try holland and barret or body active...

Originally posted by ryan123
can i jus say that protein shakes taste great!

Tell me your kidding, I can't stand the taste but then again I am fussy :hihi:

im fussy usually 2, but i dunno why i find it really refreshing! jus after a workout... plus its supposed to be good 4ya.. bonus

Originally posted by ryan123
im fussy usually 2, but i dunno why i find it really refreshing! jus after a workout...

Yer an odd one mate ;)

Am off for my workout soon... Shame on a day like this :roll:

like being in jamaica...