Received through my door yesterday a letter from the HSA at Clifford School saying that an application to erect a mobile phone mast has been received at the school dated 18th July. The position will be on the little piece of green at the traffic lights on Kingfield Road and Psalter Lane. Obviously there is concern that 2 schools and 4 nurseries are all within a few hundred metres. This is the same mast that was going to be erected at the snooker club but the application was withdrawn after local petitions and demos were set up. The letter I received points out that as you only have 2 weeks fromthe original date of the letter (18thJuly) to object the timing of the letter , to arrive during the school holidays, could be looked on somewhat cynically! The company involved is 02 but cannot immediately lay my hands on how to object or find out more info. Will try later to get this . If you have concerns they need to be addressed immediately otherwise this will go ahead.

Obviously there is concern that 2 schools and 4 nurseries are all within a few hundred metres.

There was an interesting article in the Metro today saying scientists have failed to find any effects good or bad from people being near telephone masts.

yes the jury is still out, however I would feel happier not having them nearby until it is proven that they are not dangerous,

I agree, the fact that it Cannot be proved Either way.. would concern me, certainly would not want my kids to go to school underneath one. They used to say the same thing about high voltage pylons and substations.. then people started getting lukemia. I'd be whacking in an objection if I lived local.

In the tests they got people who claimed to be made ill by masts and put them in a room with a a mast, they then asked them to say when they felt ill, ie. when the mast was switched on. None of them could tell when the mast was on or off. Another article I read recently said that children got more radiation from wireless networks in the schools than from anything outside.

They did say that despite not knowing whether the masts were on or off, some people were actually ill from being near them, but the symptoms did not change in relation to whether the mast was actually on or off, but whether they thought the mast was on or off.

Believing something will do you harm is as harmful as any effect that object might cause you.

Personally I'd be more worried that Hunters Bar is one of the worst areas in the whole of Europe for air pollution due to the traffic. I used to live up there and some days there would be a thick yellow smog lying over Ecclesall Rd. Fair enough, masts shouldn't go on school buildings but I don't think this one will be of any concern.

Ineterestingly, Orange have a mast on top of one of the tower blocks at London Rd - is that acceptable?

I used to live up there and some days there would be a thick yellow smog lying over Ecclesall Rd.

Bit dramatic that claim? I don't think so somehow.

Believing something will do you harm is as harmful as any effect that object might cause you.

This is true, but I find it odd that people believe something will harm them, with no proof to back it up, but don't worry about things that are proven to be harmfull like UV radiation, traffic polution, pesticides etc.

I would feel more inclined to support the NIMBYS, if they came out and said I will give up using my mobile,to try to cut down on the masts that would be errected in the area

I would feel more inclined to support the NIMBYS, if they came out and said I will give up using my mobile,to try to cut down on the masts that would be errected in the area

NIMBYS? What is that?

NIMBYS? What is that?
nimby - not in my back yard

doesn't bother me in the slightest and I have a young child. Too much histeria around about these things.

However, if anyone is setting up a petition banning all idiot mums and dads driving their little ones to school and back every day I will gladly sign that as that is a good cause and a definite cause of pollution...

it seems it is all going to be irrelevant soon anyway everybody will have one in there own home

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6916125.stm

it seems it is all going to be irrelevant soon anyway everybody will have one in there own home

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6916125.stm

Unless they have children presumably.

Unless they have children presumably.

Cannot reason that out ?

doesn't bother me in the slightest and I have a young child. Too much histeria around about these things.

However, if anyone is setting up a petition banning all idiot mums and dads driving their little ones to school and back every day I will gladly sign that as that is a good cause and a definite cause of pollution...

I am with you on that proposal.

There was an interesting article in the Metro today saying scientists have failed to find any effects good or bad from people being near telephone masts.

Ah, that's where I read it! I was going to mention that - people belive they are affected by the masts but can't tell when they're on or off...
Just goes to show :)

Ah, that's where I read it! I was going to mention that - people belive they are affected by the masts but can't tell when they're on or off...
Just goes to show :)

Isnt that the Placebo Effect ? In those experiments people are given inactive pharmaceuticals and told they are genuine. People will often get better because they expect too. This is just the reverse, people are feeling ill because they expect too.

Just goes to show :)

It does show how strong the placibo effect can be, and how much your mind effects your body, no wonder people get better quicker if they believe they will.

Isnt that the Placebo Effect ? ... This is just the reverse, people are feeling ill because they expect too.

It's called the nocebo effect when it does harm instead of good.

Chris

Back to the point. What is the best way to object?

yes the jury is still out, however I would feel happier not having them nearby until it is proven that they are not dangerous,

Jury is in, they failed to find any effects. How more clear cut do you want it?

Bit dramatic that claim? I don't think so somehow.

I know what I've seen with me own eyes, pal.

Isnt that the Placebo Effect ? In those experiments people are given inactive pharmaceuticals and told they are genuine. People will often get better because they expect too. This is just the reverse, people are feeling ill because they expect too.

Maybe we could announce on the radio that being stupid and/or ignorant will make you die, see if it reduces the over crowding problem.

...Another article I read recently said that children got more radiation from wireless networks in the schools than from anything outside.
It's not radiation in the sense that you may think. We're talking radio waves, not ionising radiation. It's not atom bomb stuff, just harmless radio waves.

Back to the point. What is the best way to object?
There's no reason to object.

I agree, the fact that it Cannot be proved Either way.. would concern me, certainly would not want my kids to go to school underneath one. They used to say the same thing about high voltage pylons and substations.. then people started getting lukemia. I'd be whacking in an objection if I lived local.

If there was a risk, the safest place would be underneath one because the signal is weakest there. A study of radio signal strength in Lydgate Infant School a couple of years ago showed that levels were lower in the school playground than anywhere else in Crookes or Crosspool!

Nobody has ever developed leukaemia as a result of exposure to radio signals or power lines. It's a myth perpetrated by fraudsters, who screw vulnerable people out of large amounts of money by lying to them about risks that do not exist.

Personally I'd be more worried that Hunters Bar is one of the worst areas in the whole of Europe for air pollution due to the traffic. I used to live up there and some days there would be a thick yellow smog lying over Ecclesall Rd. Fair enough, masts shouldn't go on school buildings but I don't think this one will be of any concern.

Ineterestingly, Orange have a mast on top of one of the tower blocks at London Rd - is that acceptable?

Why shouldn't masts go on top of schools? There are no health effects, so there is no reason to prohibit them. No reason whatsoever. It's nonsense!

So you and your children don't use a mobile phone then as sticking one to your ear is far more likely to cause problems than living near phone a mast. The radiation that comes directly from the mobile phone into your head will be several times stronger than any phone mast at a distance of a few yards. And its still safe.

So you and your children don't use a mobile phone then as sticking one to your ear is far more likely to cause problems than living near phone a mast. The radiation that comes directly from the mobile phone into your head will be several times stronger than any phone mast at a distance of a few yards.

Believe it or not, due to the inverse square law, it's likely to be millions of times stronger from the mobile phone, literally!

Believe it or not, due to the inverse square law, it's likely to be millions of times stronger from the mobile phone, literally!
Your right. I just tried not to make it too complicated.

Back to the point. What is the best way to object?

Why is there always a petition against things and never one for things these days ? I'd like to sign one saying we should have the mast :)

Back to the point. What is the best way to object?

Don't - they're no more harmful than your radio

I kind of lost interest in the petitioners against phone masts after seeing the picture of the protestors with their banners on Eccy Rd last year, with at least 2 of the 'photographees' being caught on their mobiles at the time of the picture:rolleyes:

Granted it was the Star, :hihi:

When mobile phone masts are erected in urban areas, there will always be children nearby. When people object it is always relates to just where they live.Not to the erection of masts overall. It is just the NOT in My Backyard syndrome

The really silly thing is the radiation from your tv and computer monitor is greater than those masts. Perhaps we should ban everyone from having those as well.:loopy:

Received through my door yesterday a letter from the HSA at Clifford School saying that an application to erect a mobile phone mast has been received at the school dated 18th July. The position will be on the little piece of green at the traffic lights on Kingfield Road and Psalter Lane. Obviously there is concern that 2 schools and 4 nurseries are all within a few hundred metres. This is the same mast that was going to be erected at the snooker club but the application was withdrawn after local petitions and demos were set up. The letter I received points out that as you only have 2 weeks fromthe original date of the letter (18thJuly) to object the timing of the letter , to arrive during the school holidays, could be looked on somewhat cynically! The company involved is 02 but cannot immediately lay my hands on how to object or find out more info. Will try later to get this . If you have concerns they need to be addressed immediately otherwise this will go ahead.


to get this back on track, I just got back last night to learn from one of my neighbours that CB Richard Ellis, acting for 02 sent a recorded delivery letter to one of three local schools/playschools within 500m of the proposed site. As for the NIMBY concept, I'd love to see how all of the foregoing objectors responded to the proposal of such a mast in their area. My response, signed by my neighbours sets out our objections.

As for the viability of mobile phones, the floods taught us that they were effectively useless pieces of junk.

For people who are interested in objecting and want to do so, the deadline for receipt of objections - which is not yet at the planning application stage - is 1st August 2007, ie tomorrow.

For the convenience of those who are affected by this and who do want to write, I am also delighted to include the letter we have drafted and will be sending by Recorded Delivery today to CBRichard Ellis. Their contact details including email address is:

CB Richard Ellis
Bank House
27 King St, Leeds LS1 2HL
EMAIL ADDRESS: david.mcfarland@cbre.com




BY RECORDED DELIVERY & EMAIL
31st July 2007

For the attention of D McFarland

Dear Sir/Madam

Proposed Mobile Phone Mast Station – Junction Psalter Lane & Kingfield Road

We have only just received a copy of your recorded delivery letter of 18th July 2007 to Mrs S Creston, Head Teacher of the Diocese of Sheffield Clifford School which we trust you find at least as disturbing as we do.

For avoidance of all doubt we are extremely disturbed to learn, by pure chance, that your client, 02, intend to apply to Sheffield City Council in order to erect a mobile phone basic station at the Psalter Lane/Kingfield Road intersection with Cowlishaw Road.

Furthermore we do not believe that your client, 02, is at all “committed to improving consultation with local communities as purported in your letter for obvious reasons. Explicitly we did not learn of this development and that our views are required until now. As it is now 31st July and tomorrow is 1st August this is not a fair or reasonable timescale for us to provide a fully considered response.

Notwithstanding, we object to the submission of any such application as follows:

1. The proposed station is less than 500m from Clifford School and Pre-School Play Group. Medical research on health risks, particularly to young children is expected to continue indefinitely. Phone companies such as 02 must take a far more precautionary approach when locating masts in residential areas.

2. Other safety considerations of your proposal fails to consider 4 extremely busy pedestrian crossings which are
a. in frequent use by children at all times of the day.
b. Potentially likely to cause visual impairment for pedestrians and vehicular movement.
3. Amenities and character as a designated conservation area is badly affected by 4 sets of traffic lights, 1 large grey box of equipment and sound pollution

In conclusion, we are totally opposed to your client’s wish to apply to erect a mobile phone basic station at Psalter Lane and Kingfield Road junction. As a residential area we are as opposed to any further mass of equipment in immediate sight of our and other close residential buildings.

Yours faithfully

As for the NIMBY concept, I'd love to see how all of the foregoing objectors responded to the proposal of such a mast in their area.

I wouldn't be botherd, but then I'm not prone to hysteria.

Well as it is practically in my back garden and my kids will be going to that school, I shall be writing to them thanking them for proposing to make reception for local residents better and registering my approval. Thanks for the address.

I do hope that all residents that object instantly throw their mobile phones, microwave ovens, TV's, radios etc in the bin and sell their cars.

As for the viability of mobile phones, the floods taught us that they were effectively useless pieces of junk.



How? I didn't know the floods had destroyed everyone's mobile phone. Oh yeah, if you're so against mobile phones and mobile phone masts, why is your mobile number in your signature?

Notwithstanding, we object to the submission of any such application as follows:

1. The proposed station is less than 500m from Clifford School and Pre-School Play Group. Medical research on health risks, particularly to young children is expected to continue indefinitely. Phone companies such as 02 must take a far more precautionary approach when locating masts in residential areas.

2. Other safety considerations of your proposal fails to consider 4 extremely busy pedestrian crossings which are
a. in frequent use by children at all times of the day.
b. Potentially likely to cause visual impairment for pedestrians and vehicular movement.
3. Amenities and character as a designated conservation area is badly affected by 4 sets of traffic lights, 1 large grey box of equipment and sound pollution

In conclusion, we are totally opposed to your client’s wish to apply to erect a mobile phone basic station at Psalter Lane and Kingfield Road junction. As a residential area we are as opposed to any further mass of equipment in immediate sight of our and other close residential buildings.

Yours faithfully

You forgot;

4) The effect it might have on our house prices.

The last sentence "in immediate sight of our and other close residential buildings" tends to give it away - classic NIMBY.

still flogging this dead horse then :D

to get this back on track, I just got back last night to learn from one of my neighbours that CB Richard Ellis, acting for 02 sent a recorded delivery letter to one of three local schools/playschools within 500m of the proposed site... blah blah blah...Yours faithfully

That missive must have taken you ages petal. I'll bet that writing it got your blood pressure right up to dangerous levels; I bet your jaw muscles ache from clenching your teeth, and I bet you have a headache from lack of sleep - all symptoms you no doubt ascribe to mobile phone masts! LOL

Does Clifford School teach children science, or is that not fashionable anymore? :|

Does Clifford School teach children science, or is that not fashionable anymore? :|

:clap:



I know it's a 'me too', but I wish I'd been smart enough to think of it.

That missive must have take you ages petal. I'll bet that writing it got your blood pressure right up to dangerous levels; I bet your jaw muscles ache from clenching your teeth, and I bet you have a headache from lack of sleep - all symptoms you no doubt ascribe to mobile phone masts! LOL

Thanks so much for your concern about my health chuck.

Please let us have your address & postcode so that we can canvas O2 actively to set up one of these flaming masts, which you so obviously want on your front door step.

As you are clearly right keen on having one of these masts, we'll also do our level best to arrange for 02 to rent out your backyard.

How does that grab you flower????

Cheers chuck :thumbsup:

Does Clifford School teach children science

Yes but it's now known as "witchcraft" ?

Thanks so much for your concern about my health chuck.

Please let us have your address & postcode so that we can canvas O2 actively to set up one of these flaming masts, which you so obviously want on your front door step.

As you are clearly right keen on having one of these masts, we'll also do our level best to arrange for 02 to rent out your backyard.

How does that grab you flower????

Cheers chuck :thumbsup:

It grabs me nicely petal! Seriously! Not only would I be happy about it, but I would do a deal with O2 allowing me to put my own aerials on top, and possibly a camera with a pan-and-tilt mount. Hopefully it would be high enough for a good view all around, and I could switch the TV to it during adverts and admire the scenery. Unfortunately though, I'm not in a prime location for a phone mast - I've already looked into it! However, well intentioned though you may be, my address you shall not have, for I doubt that passing it on to O2 is your primary intention! ;)

As another contributor pointed out, I thought it ironic that you should publish your mobile phone number!

[QUOTE]As another contributor pointed out, I thought it ironic that you should publish your mobile phone number!

have often wondered how many mobile phone mast campaigners and protesters actually own or use a moby on a regular basis ?:suspect:

guess wat their really saying is they want the conveinence of a mobile as long as the mast's are in some-one elses back yard.:suspect:

Why is there always a petition against things and never one for things these days ? I'd like to sign one saying we should have the mast :)


Totally agree to many people with to much time on their hands far more important things to worry about.

Totally agree to many people with to much time on their hands far more important things to worry about.

I've been involved in several positive 'IMBY' campaigns in the past - all nearby to Clifford School, as it happens. We got Greens onto the old Dormer Tools bombsite, got the climbing boulder next to the Vine, and got improvements for the cemetery, among other bits and bobs.

Positive campaigning is really satisfying. Everyone should try it. :)

I've been involved in several positive 'IMBY' campaigns in the past - all nearby to Clifford School, as it happens. We got Greens onto the old Dormer Tools bombsite, got the climbing boulder next to the Vine, and got improvements for the cemetery, among other bits and bobs.

Positive campaigning is really satisfying. Everyone should try it. :)

No problem with that just wasting time on campaigns for mobile masts thats a waste of effort in my opinion

Classic site is these people at the protest on their mobiles at the same time!