I have just watched the news on 4 and the wife of one of the 4 who attempted this attack has stated that he has not done anything wrong and is demanding that he be moved from the Prison he is held in to a different location, because he is been persicuted because of his faith.

This might get me banded from the Forum, but he tried to cause harm to innocent people including Women and Children of all Faiths.
What are your opinions that this person deserves speciel treatment to save him from other inmates.

Please let me know your thoughts

If you so something so bad that you end up in prison. You deserve all you get.

well it is his wife....somebody thats innocent, we all want the best for our loved ones no matter what theyve done
anybody here would try for their loved ones?

Perhaps political prisoners should have their own jail? Mixing with normal cons will cause friction. They will be treated the same as perverts in which other prisoners take frustrations out on them, and blow off a little steam. Although in this instance i think it was another terrorist who carried out the attack.

I have just watched the news on 4 and the wife of one of the 4 who attempted this attack has stated that he has not done anything wrong and is demanding that he be moved from the Prison he is held in to a different location, because he is been persicuted because of his faith.

This might get me banded from the Forum, but he tried to cause harm to innocent people including Women and Children of all Faiths.
What are your opinions that this person deserves speciel treatment to save him from other inmates.

Please let me know your thoughts

Well, she is entitled (freedom of speech) to demand anything she wants - but that doesn't mean that she's going to get it, does it?

If there are grounds, eg: religion persecution, for him to be moved, then of course he should be. Firstly because he is actually innocent until proven guilty and secondly because no prisoner is supposed to be put in a situation where he can be harmed/persecuted by other inmates. This rule applies to ALL prisoners, not just those allegedly being persecuted for their religion, so it wouldn't be special treatment.

What would people say if Ian Huntley's family asked for him to be moved, would this be supported. I think not.

The segment tonight on the news said she'd only been married to him for a couple of days before he was arrested. Did I hear that right?

If she wasn't actually living with him at the time how can she be so certain he's innocent and that he didn't intend to harm anyone? Surely it's all sub-judice anyway and no-one should be seeking to prejudice the outcome of the trial.

I'm probably going to be shot down for saying this but it's handy to be able to use a different name and cover your face when you make a TV appearance asking for something that you know is going to be an extremely unpopular request :|

Perhaps political prisoners should have their own jail? Mixing with normal cons will cause friction. They will be treated the same as perverts in which other prisoners take frustrations out on them, and blow off a little steam. Although in this instance i think it was another terrorist who carried out the attack.we tried this in northern ireland with the h blocks,all it did was to keep the terrorists together so they felt like they had won a victory,they had daily meetings about the cause and eventually it got out of hand with their demands for political status,they tried to claim they were pow,s but as they wernt in uniform at the time of their attrocities it didnt wash. bobby sands even killed himself through a hunger strike to draw world attention to the ira cause,but it fell on deaf ears,other than a few americans who had irish names and thought they would contribute to a noble cause,probably never having seen ireland,bush,s war on terror was very carefull not to get involved with these people as it could have caused the downfall of the american government due to the massive so called irish vote,it was only later after senate meetings that the plug was pulled on the donations given by the wannabe irish in the usa. gerry adams lost millions of pounds in contributions when he was banned from campaigning in the u.s,this,along with hard work by people such as mowlam brought about the sieze fire in ireland
belmarsh prison is now run by gangs of islamists who beat up prisoners who wont conform to their religion,the warders can not understand what they are saying as they do not speak english at their meetings, so they have gained a strong foothold,several high ranking leaders were moved to other prisons to try to break the islamics grip, its all on google for any one who cares to look

well it is his wife....somebody thats innocent, we all want the best for our loved ones no matter what theyve done
anybody here would try for their loved ones?

If someone I was connected to was convicted of plotting to kill and maim dozens of people I would be condemning them from the rooftops. I would want them to bear the punishment for their crime. Do you think all family members should and do support their convicted terrorist kin? If that were the case no-one could then go on to say they were innocent, if they chose to side with a fascist murder plotter.

As we're always being told that Islamofascist terrorists are "not proper muslims" then the fact that he's bleating about persecution on the grounds of his faith is surely a complete non-starter. He's not a muslim is he? By that definition. That's what we keep being told we're supposed to believe about terrorists. So why should he have such religious rights, when he has been convicted of something that certain people always insist means they do not belong to that religion? Or is the whole denial-and-excuses thing a crock? You can't have it both ways.

I wonder if the *real* muslims in the jail are attacking him as *not a real muslim* and a traitor to the faith, or supporting him as 'one of us'? I'd be very interested to know.

I have just watched the news on 4 and the wife of one of the 4 who attempted this attack has stated that he has not done anything wrong and is demanding that he be moved from the Prison he is held in to a different location, because he is been persicuted because of his faith.
Yeah right, I'm sure the prisoners attacked him because of theological differences and not because they were rather annoyed with him for trying to murder as many of their fellow citizens as he possibly could.

If you pull the kind of stuff that guys accused of you're bound to catch grief regardless of whether or not you were motivated to do so by faith in your sky pixie.

What is it with hard line theists and this obsession they seem to have on trying to make that they're being persecuted all the time?

move him by all means seeing as he hates us that much in england move him to a muslim country

If someone I was connected to was convicted of plotting to kill and maim dozens of people I would be condemning them from the rooftops. I would want them to bear the punishment for their crime. Do you think all family members should and do support their convicted terrorist kin? If that were the case no-one could then go on to say they were innocent, if they chose to side with a fascist murder plotter.
i didnt say she supported him, but family loyalty, love can be hard to tear away from.

As we're always being told that Islamofascist terrorists are "not proper muslims" then the fact that he's bleating about persecution on the grounds of his faith is surely a complete non-starter. He's not a muslim is he? By that definition. That's what we keep being told we're supposed to believe about terrorists. So why should he have such religious rights, when he has been convicted of something that certain people always insist means they do not belong to that religion? Or is the whole denial-and-excuses thing a crock? You can't have it both ways.

I wonder if the *real* muslims in the jail are attacking him as *not a real muslim* and a traitor to the faith, or supporting him as 'one of us'? I'd be very interested to know.

the thing is we dont believe theyre "real" muslims cos what they do goes against most religious teachings, but sadly these extremists think they are the "real" muslims fighting for their god, so i suppose they will moan about religious rights.
and yes other muslims should disown em but sadly i think theyre either scared, or religiously blind and so dont

I must confess I have little sympathy for pedophiles and terrorists who murder innocents with impunity. I must also confess that I feel a little sense of satisfaction and revenge when the inmates impose a little correction of their own upon these misguided souls. I know I shouldn't, but the judges don't get it right.

I think that anyone who's love done is in prison for any crime will frequently want the best for them.

However, what they want and what they get are two different things; she has a right to demand what the devli she pleases; the authorities have an equal right to turn around and say 'Bog off'.

He should be treated in the same way they treat any other prisoner who's experiencing the same things - if he's being attacked, put him in a prison with suitable isolation facilities. That's what happens to paedophiles, 'grasses' and other prisoners who're not regarded by inmates as 'ordinary, decent criminals'

I must confess I have little sympathy for pedophiles and terrorists who murder innocents with impunity. I must also confess that I feel a little sense of satisfaction and revenge when the inmates impose a little correction of their own upon these misguided souls. I know I shouldn't, but the judges don't get it right.

Same here ... better justice inside than outside

Same here ... better justice inside than outside

and who exactly has said he should be free?

This person was prepaired to kill inocent bystanders of every race, women and children!!!
How can people support in the name of love that he deserves to be protected from Honest Cons who find his actions sickening.

Those who think that this request deserves merit, please spend a few moments to think of those who have lost their lives in this stupid cause.

Muslims are not violent people and their way of life yes is different many have made the move to be part of the community, but sadly we have idiots who in the umberrala of their so called Faith gives them the right to kill others.
Freedom of speech yes everybody has this right, but it seams that it is one sided. From the introduction of the Race Relations Bill I cannot have my freedom of speach if I make a statement in public about anyone from the sunny countries I will be accused of Racism, If I burned the flags or their books I would be locked up. Yet they can riot and burn our flag and complain about the English Flag.

My many Muslim friends are up in arms with the actions of the few and I do hope that they will try and regulate thease idiots

This person was prepaired to kill inocent bystanders of every race, women and children!!!
How can people support in the name of love that he deserves to be protected from Honest Cons who find his actions sickening.

Those who think that this request deserves merit, please spend a few moments to think of those who have lost their lives in this stupid cause.

Muslims are not violent people and their way of life yes is different many have made the move to be part of the community, but sadly we have idiots who in the umberrala of their so called Faith gives them the right to kill others.
Freedom of speech yes everybody has this right, but it seams that it is one sided. From the introduction of the Race Relations Bill I cannot have my freedom of speach if I make a statement in public about anyone from the sunny countries I will be accused of Racism, If I burned the flags or their books I would be locked up. Yet they can riot and burn our flag and complain about the English Flag.

My many Muslim friends are up in arms with the actions of the few and I do hope that they will try and regulate thease idiots

Once we start being extra-judicial in permitting revenge we're losing the fight. As soon as someone is in custody they need to be treated like any other category A prisoner, or, if there was ever a change in the status of terrorists, as PoWs or traitors.

You start bringing the racism / flag burning / freedom of speech stuff in. That's irrelevant - by the laws of this country these people, once in custody, are the responsibility of the state. Permitting them to be beaten or killed, whilst placating your need for revenge, would simply provide the terrorists with another martyr and would act as a recruiting sergeant for them.

My own belief is you try then quickly, cleanly and in open court and send them down for as long as the law permits - i.e. apply the law of the land with no deviation.

I like to think that I DO think about these issues in a wider perspective - certainly wider that just wanting an eye for an eye. The difference between this country and many other nations is that we are still reasonably civilised in teh way we apply justice. If we start creating special cases for terrorists, we're playing in to their hands.

Well, she is entitled (freedom of speech) to demand anything she wants - but that doesn't mean that she's going to get it, does it?

If there are grounds, eg: religion persecution, for him to be moved, then of course he should be. Firstly because he is actually innocent until proven guilty and secondly because no prisoner is supposed to be put in a situation where he can be harmed/persecuted by other inmates. This rule applies to ALL prisoners, not just those allegedly being persecuted for their religion, so it wouldn't be special treatment.

Move him, i say, vacancies at guantanamo bay, if he wants to be amongst others of his own religion.

Once we start being extra-judicial in permitting revenge we're losing the fight. As soon as someone is in custody they need to be treated like any other category A prisoner, or, if there was ever a change in the status of terrorists, as PoWs or traitors.

You start bringing the racism / flag burning / freedom of speech stuff in. That's irrelevant - by the laws of this country these people, once in custody, are the responsibility of the state. Permitting them to be beaten or killed, whilst placating your need for revenge, would simply provide the terrorists with another martyr and would act as a recruiting sergeant for them.

My own belief is you try then quickly, cleanly and in open court and send them down for as long as the law permits - i.e. apply the law of the land with no deviation.

I like to think that I DO think about these issues in a wider perspective - certainly wider that just wanting an eye for an eye. The difference between this country and many other nations is that we are still reasonably civilised in teh way we apply justice. If we start creating special cases for terrorists, we're playing in to their hands.

Hi JoeP,
Thanks for your reply I do accept part of what you say and I agree that we have one of the most admired Justice system and we proud ourselves as bieng fair.
My concerns however are, because of our system if we have a situation that if you get caught trying to damage the lives of other inocent Men, Women and Children because of your beliefs you will not be subject to any recompence only to serve your time and we as the civilised British will also make sure you are comfortable and protected from those people that think that their acts were not quite in the intrests of our democrisy.
Whilst I do not condone the actions of his inmates, but this person tried to kill people who have done nothing wrong.
If I as a yorkshire man had tried this action in anywhere outside Europe and was caught I would not have to worry about the local people in detention I would have been terminated.
The point of my post was the fact that his wife of 3 days before the attempt thinks he is being treated unfairly and should be moved because his life could be in Danger, so why do we not deport him to his Country that he loved so much that he felt their training was so important and let them deal with him.
I do feal that the law abiding residents of his origin are getting as fed up with this as we in the Uk are.
Are we saying that if you get caught that whilst the law will dispence your punishment you will not suffer any threats from other inmates because you have caused the deaths of inocent people, so we will as our responcibility protect you from people who because they are misguided want to harm you.
"Aye that'll be right"

I understand your position as a mediator and do not dissrespect your comments, but I do feel that we also have a right to voice our comments within the rules of the Forum.

If you feal my comments are out of order then I will accept that

Thanks

I think people are sent to prison as a punishment and not sent to prison to be punished.

I think people are sent to prison as a punishment and not sent to prison to be punished.

I am not saying that people who set to prison are to be punished while they are there, but this will happen due to there residents can we stop this concidering the actions of prisoners throught time have had a degree of tolerance to their follow inmates depending on their crime.

Correct me if I am wrong when child sex offenders enter this situation they are placed on rule 43 to stop them bieng attacked by the people who think their crimes are sickening, so do we create a new rule to protect people who want to kill everone in the name of a so called faith

Regards

We have to protect everyone in prison, no matter how loathsome, or we become criminals as well.