Hello all, I am currently looking for work in translating but unfortunately there is absolutely nothing in Sheffield.
So I'm kind of dreading this but I think I may have to move down to London for a few years until I may consider self employment after that in Sheffield.
Now I know this is a bit of a difficult question but does anyone know the good areas and bad areas in London?
what I mean is Value for money areas in London (though that doesn't really exist in London!!!)
I know fulham and the likes are out of the question!
I'd like to avoid anything south of the water.
Many thanks!!

Ex:possibly an area like nether edge, broomhill, walkley

Hey Sony,

I've been down in London for over 5 years now and have stayed around the west of the city (Hammersmith, Shepherd's Bush and now Ealing).

For cheap accommodation I would definately suggest Shepherd's Bush and Acton. They may not be the most salubrious of areas but they have great transport links, good local amenities and reasonable (well for London) rental prices.

In both of these areas you can expect to pay around £700 per month min for a one bedroom flat or £350+ per month for a shared flat. However, Council Tax isn't cheap.

It really depends on where you are working because transport costs are so high and times can be terrible.

M

Many thanks Matt, I'd be moving down with my girlfriend you see. So Acton is not bad then? What's its equivalent to in Sheffield?

Parts of Fulham and Putney are beautiful but are quite expensive but they have their rough bits too.South East London is a lot cheaper than most areas but most of it isn't very nice.The further you go from central London the cheaper it is.The thing about London is that you pay for the postcode not the flat/house.Highgate in North London is ridiculously expensive,a few houses down into Archway it gets a lot cheaper.Keep going further and you are in to Islington where it starts to get pricier.There aren't whole areas that are good or bad just little pockets within each place.You could be living in a highrise tower block on a rough looking street and around the corner will be really nice mansion flats.

Good luck.....I'm from Down South and came to uni in Sheffield. I left Shef for London for job reasons and after 4 years came back. I can't stand the place to live. Visit, ok but not live. You are brave moving down there.

Had friends in Ealing and its ok round there.

As for Acton, you really can't compare London to Sheffield. It's entirely different and areas can be really horrible but classed as up and coming so professionals start living there (which basically means it was cheap enough to get a place and now everyone wants to get in there). Other areas which are nice are just so expensive to live in you have to be a very rich city worker or a celebrity. I like Notting hill, primrose hill etc but no way could afford it. Funny thing is a few years ago you wouldn't touch places like st. Johns wood with a barge pole and now they're really sort after! London is way different to Sheffield so I really wouldn't like to compare places.

I have lived in Hendon and Mill Hill. Mill Hill is ok. Bit more suburbia. My brother is in Shoreditch. Completely different, very trendy now.

It really depends on your job, how much you're earning, how far you want to travel etc. You'll have to weigh up cost of living vs travel time and cost etc.

You're leaving us already? :(

We were just starting to annoy one another :loopy:

I hear Brixton is very cosmopolitan :hihi:

Don't write Sheffield off just yet. Have you tried these people SDL Sheffield (http://www.sdl.com/company/locations/locations-europe/locations-uk-sheffield.htm)

I hear they're slave drivers (Mods may delete if libellious) but you could do with a good kick in the pants.

By the way, if you think us Sheffielders are unfriendly, you're really going to enjoy living in London :suspect:

Hey Sony,

Acton has had a bad reputation in the past but to be honest it's only the estates around Acton Town which you should avoid. The rest of the area is fine, with southern parts merging into beautiful Chiswick and pockets of really good solid houses throughout.

Of course, i'm biased as I live in the area but I have never had any wish to move out of West London. It seems that you have less far to go to reach really special places such as Syon House or Richmond Park whereas in North, East and South London you have to travel through miles of soul-less estates before hitting on Hampstead, Victoria Park or Greenwich.

In terms of comparisons then it becomes more difficult. As other posters have said it isn't really possible. I guess the closest I could describe Acton High Street would be of the physical appearance of the bottom of London Road (with better shopping). But considering much of London has the apperance of Norfolk Park before it was demolished I am happy with this.

M

Originally posted by Abdul
You're leaving us already? :(

We were just starting to annoy one another :loopy:

I hear Brixton is very cosmopolitan :hihi:

Don't write Sheffield off just yet. Have you tried these people SDL Sheffield (http://www.sdl.com/company/locations/locations-europe/locations-uk-sheffield.htm)

I hear they're slave drivers (Mods may delete if libellious) but you could do with a good kick in the pants.

By the way, if you think us Sheffielders are unfriendly, you're really going to enjoy living in London :suspect:

What are you going on about?? i've never even spoken to you!!??:loopy:

Is Islington quite expensive. I'd say my budget would be a maximum of £700/month but I'd preferably like to spend £500-£600/month.
Can anyone give me a bit of information on those areas:

Hounslow
Clapham
Brent
Ruislip
Finchley
Uxbridge
Wimbledon

That's quite a mixed list you have there Sony!

This is my take on it:

Hounslow: Busy, suburban, low aircraft into Heathrow, will be cheap but not the nicest looking area. Property is generally of lowish quality. However, excellent Indian restaurants due to large Indian population. The largest Gudwala (sic?) outside of India. Long way from central London

Clapham: Lovely area, great bars and restaurants, nice to have the Common as an escape from the urbanity. Good transport links.Will be expensive unless you live away from the centre and that may take you into Brixton, Streatham etc which are not nice to live in.

Brent: Awful, avoid at all costs. Intensely urban in Don Valley circa 1988 way.

Ruislip: Pretty, semi-rural but also quite boringly suburban. well over an hours on the tube to central London, no way of getting home late at night. Also not that cheap.

Finchley: As above but without the pretty rural part

Uxbridge: As Ruislip but with a larger town centre, more of its own town.

Wimbledon: Very nice in parts, quite dull and suburban in others. Good shopping in the cetre and good transport links. Expensive.

Hope this helps.

M

thanks so much for that mattski:thumbsup:

No problem, I have to do something to distract myself from work!

M

might have a look at the area around city airport.

still being redeveloped so prices are relatively low compared to other areas.
close to docklands, has the dlr so transport links good. About 30 mins from central london.

don't bother with uxbridge, it's about a 2 hour tube ride.

Originally posted by Abdul
You're leaving us already? :(

I hear Brixton is very cosmopolitan :hihi:



One way of putting it I s'ppose....

What about North West Kent? (An overspill from London) really.

London Borough of Bexley? Maybe Dartford (not in the LBoB), Crayford (in the LBoB - just)?

Alex

Originally posted by amhudson119
One way of putting it I s'ppose....

What about North West Kent? (An overspill from London) really.

London Borough of Bexley? Maybe Dartford (not in the LBoB), Crayford (in the LBoB - just)?

Alex

How long would it take me to get to Central London?

Originally posted by Sony
How long would it take me to get to Central London?

Well, from me (North Kent - I am on the borders of Bexley and Greenwich boroughs), 45 mins to Victoria on the train.

3 bed semi in my area, good nick- a "Walkley" middle-of-the-road area, £190,000.

Alex

I have lived in North, East and West London and would go for North every time. Crouch End / Hornsey or Muswell Hill / East Finchley but it is a bit more expensive up there. You could move a bit further out towards Palmers Green or even Enfield and get the train in. Some really nice areas, lots of parks

Well I'd definately be renting- so how much are the rents in north kent and finchley??

Just Googled "Renting in North Kent"

Gave it the criteria: 2 bed, semi, terraced - between £0-1000 pcm and clicked decent areas, dismissed those that are too far away or poor areas.

"Dartford £ pcm Let

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Dartford £950 pcm Available: 10/11/2004

4 bedroom U/F semi-detached house near to Barnehurst Golf Course. Smokers/Pets (Cats only) welcome. Sorry no HB."

Alex

Side note:

Dartford is pretty boring , is not in the London Borough of Bexley - it is in Dartford and Gravesham. It has a crap town, with run-down Woolworths, Primark, Starburger, HSBC, Adecco, Safeway and an OK-ish theatre.

Welling: OK, in the LBoBexley, A bit like your Hillsborough, but semi-detached properties, a STRONG BNP area and an Iceland, and reasonable high-street.

Ingress Park, Greenhithe, Dartford: Ingress Park is a new build of houses on a Ecclesall/Whirlow equiv. with 2 beds at £250k+, nice area, in the Borough of D & G, no London Buses (you'll be under Kent prices - expenisve, and not hte £1.00 adult fare [TFL]).

Alex

Why is this post running twice?

Originally posted by amhudson119
Side note:

Dartford is pretty boring , is not in the London Borough of Bexley - it is in Dartford and Gravesham. It has a crap town, with run-down Woolworths, Primark, Starburger, HSBC, Adecco, Safeway and an OK-ish theatre.

Welling: OK, in the LBoBexley, A bit like your Hillsborough, but semi-detached properties, a STRONG BNP area and an Iceland, and reasonable high-street.

Ingress Park, Greenhithe, Dartford: Ingress Park is a new build of houses on a Ecclesall/Whirlow equiv. with 2 beds at £250k+, nice area, in the Borough of D & G, no London Buses (you'll be under Kent prices - expenisve, and not hte £1.00 adult fare [TFL]).

Alex

Thanks very much for that, worries mer slightly that it may be a bit too far to travel from kent to central London. I don't really know what to do!

Originally posted by Sony
Thanks very much for that, worries mer slightly that it may be a bit too far to travel from kent to central London. I don't really know what to do!

I think renting is possibly your best solution, for the time being.

Local estate agents are useful as is the local newspaper - if I can dig one up, I'll send it up to you - there may be an online version.

Alex

Originally posted by Srony
...worries me slightly that it may be a bit too far to travel from kent to central London.

The train service is pretty reasonable in our area, we're under TFL prices, so prices are cheap and from our local station (Barnehurst), it takes 45 mins to Charing X or Victoria...

Alex

If you've got absolutely nothing else to do please help!

Tell me more about those areas: ( A selection of those you know!!)

Alexandra Palace N22
Alexandra Park N22
Archway N19
Arnos Grove N11
Barnet N3
Beaufort Drive NW11
Bounds Green N11
Brent NW2
Brent Cross NW11
Brondesbury NW2
Caledonian Road N7
Childs Hill NW2
Colindale NW9 Colindeep Avenue NW9
Collindale NW9
Cricklewood NW10
Crouch End N4
Crouch End Borders N19
Dollis Hill NW2
East Finchley N2
Edmonton N18
Enfield N14
Finchley N12
Finchley N2
Finchley Central N12
Finsbury Park N4
Friern Barnet N11
Golders Green NW11
Hackney N16
Hampstead NW9
Hampstead Garden Suburb NW11
Haringey N10
Harlesden NW10
Hendon Central NW4
Highbury N5
Highbury And Islington N5
Highgate N8
Highgate Village N6
Hocroft Estate NW2
Holloway N7
Hornsey N8
Islington N7
Kensal Green NW10
Kensal Rise NW10
Kentish Town NW5
Kilburn Park NW6
Kingsbury NW9
Maida Vale NW6
Manor House N4
Mill Hill NW7
Mill Hill East NW7
New Southgate N11
Newington Green N16
Palmers Green N13
Queens Park NW6
Seven Sisters N15
Somerton Road NW2
South Hampstead NW6
South Tottenham N15
Southgate N14
Stoke Newington N16
Stroud Green N4
Swiss Cottage NW6
Temple Fourtune NW11
Tottenham N17
Totteridge N20
Tufnell Park N7
Turnpike Lane N8
West Hampsread NW2
Whetstone N20
Willesden Green NW2
Winchmore Hill N21
Wood Green N22



Acton W3
Addlestone KT15
Ashford TW15
Barons Court, W14
Brentford TW8
Brook Green W14
Byfleet KT14
Chelsea SW6
Chessington KT9
Chiswick W4
Ealing W5
Ealing Broadway W5
Ealing Common W5
Earl's Court SW5
East Acton W3
East Bedfont TW14
Feltham TW14
Fulham SW6
Fulham Broadway SW6
Fulham Palace Road SW6
Ham TW10
Hammersmith W14
Hampton TW12
Hampton Wick KT1
Hanworth TW13
Heston TW5
Hounslow TW5
Hounslow Central TW3
Isleworth TW7
Kensington & Chelsea W14
Kensington/olympia W14
Kew Gardens TW9
Kingston KT2
Ladbroke Grove W10
Little Venice W9
London W9
Maida Hill W9
Maida Vale W9
Marylebone W14
Motspur Park KT3
New Malden KT3
Norbiton KT2
North Kensington W10
Northfields W13
Notting Hill W11
Notting Hill Gate W11
Olympia W14
Osterley TW7
Parsons Green SW6
Queens Park W10
Randolph Avenue W9
Richmond TW10
Richmond Park TW10
Sands End SW6
Shepherds Bush W3
Staines TW18
Stanwell TW19
Sunbury TW17
Sunbury-on-thames TW16
Teddington TW11
Twickenham TW2
Walton TW18
West Molesey KT8
Westbourne Park W11
Westminster W9
Weybridge KT13
White City W12
White City Estate W12
Woking KT16
Worcester Park KT4





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Originally posted by Sony
Is Islington quite expensive. I'd say my budget would be a maximum of £700/month but I'd preferably like to spend £500-£600/month.
Can anyone give me a bit of information on those areas:


Hounslow - AVOID unless you like the sound of jet aircraft

If I were you I'd live in sheff and commute. It will take you about as long to get into town as it would if you lived in Hounslow or somewhere

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Hounslow - AVOID unless you like the sound of jet aircraft

If I were you I'd live in sheff and commute. It will take you about as long to get into town as it would if you lived in Hounslow or somewhere

Realistically, commuting from Sheffield to London would really be tiring. Seriously, with trains delays + journey I'd never make it to London!
Hounslow does seem like an area to avoid!!

West London seems really nice. Particulary Richmond

You can commute from Sheff to the south - my Aunt and Uncle knew of somebody that used to commute from Ranmoor district to Basingstoke every day - it took 2 hours (in a Porsche)(!)

Alex :D

Do you know where about you will be working? The where to live in London decision for me started with knowing where I was going to work.

For example, from Victoria by tube to say Chancery Lane (legal and accounting employment area) would be a nasty 20 minutes including a tube change.

However, Thameslink would get you in from West Hampstead (expensiveish) or Cricklewood (bit cheaper) in about 25minutes, no tube.

If you are able to, figure out where the job will be and do the where to live bit after woods.

I can do West Hampstead for you: like Broomhill but with all the students replaced by 25 year old "professionals" from a large mixture of european countries. Lots of cafes. One bed flat would be £850pcm+, although my brother in law scammed a one bed flat at £600pcm. He must be sleeping with the landlady. Who is 72.

Originally posted by Sony
West London seems really nice. Particulary Richmond

I was brought up in Hampton Court (just along from Richmond). It is a beautiful area, and the commute into central London will take you about 45 mins on the train. I commuted between Hampton and Waterloo for 3 years and had very few problems. Property is expensive, but if you can afford it I would definitely look for something in that area. Try Teddington and St Margarets too (both local to Richmond). Ahhh, I feel homesick now :(

Try Forest Hill is south east london.

15 minutes on the train to central London, which run every 10 minutes or so.

All the facilities you'd want - pubs, restaurants, take-aways, sainsbury's etc - all on your doorstep. Also there's a nice park (Hornimans) for those warm, sunny southern days!

Best of all... it's only 7 minutes by train to South Norwood to go and see the mighty Palace play if you fancy treating yourself to some proper Premiership football!

Originally posted by Zamo
Try Forest Hill is south east london.

15 minutes on the train to central London, which run every 10 minutes or so.

All the facilities you'd want - pubs, restaurants, take-aways, sainsbury's etc - all on your doorstep. Also there's a nice park (Hornimans) for those warm, sunny southern days!

Best of all... it's only 7 minutes by train to South Norwood to go and see the mighty Palace play if you fancy treating yourself to some proper Premiership football!

I'd definately like to avoid SE London, SW London could be an option but like I said west london seems the place to be!! Thanks you all! If you've got any more advice, let me know. I would actually be working IN leicester square

Originally posted by Sony
I'd definately like to avoid SE London, SW London could be an option but like I said west london seems the place to be!! Thanks you all! If you've got any more advice, let me know. I would actually be working IN leicester square

Originally posted by Sony
Is Islington quite expensive. I'd say my budget would be a maximum of £700/month but I'd preferably like to spend £500-£600/month.
Can anyone give me a bit of information on those areas:

Hounslow
Clapham
Brent
Ruislip
Finchley
Uxbridge
Wimbledon

You do know Clapham and Wimbledon are in SW London don't you?

I also think you'll find it very hard to find anything decent, in a reasonable area, for £500-600 p.m, especially west London. Anyway, good luck!

Originally posted by Zamo

I also think you'll find it very hard to find anything decent, in a reasonable area, for £500-600 p.m, especially west London. Anyway, good luck!

Nahh, I reckon you'll be alright with that budget in SW London, and definitely West London. It depends what you are looking for. Incidentally, Hounslow isn't as bad as people on here have made out.. its not as nice as Richmond granted but my mum teaches in a school there and she seems to like it. Travel to Leicester square would involve you getting the tube from Waterloo or Clapham, or walking from Waterloo even (about 20 mins).

coming from north london myself i am biased, but i do feel its the nicest bit of london. Very trendy and cosmopolitan although is more expensive. has good tube links via the picadilly and northern line to the city centre and good train links to kings cross (potters bar - enfield - southgate - alexandra palace - hornsey - finsbury park - kings cross)


Alexandra Palace N22
Alexandra Park N22

These two areas are the same place (and where i'm from). I would definatly reccomend. The palace and park itself is beautiful and has an ice rink, golf course and nice walks. The palace holds regular exhibitions and antiques fairs. Near to good schools and the houses are nice mainly georgian and victorian terraces. Many of these terraces have been divided into flats for renting. Ally Pally itself is mainly residential but has its own train station and is close to muswell hill, crouch end and wood green for shopping, cinema, resturants, gym.


Archway N19

To me, a bit of a run down area that seems to be all roads and hospitals. Its an ok area, but not the nicest one. Seems to be a sort of passing through place to elsewhere!

Barnet N3

This is very general as barnet is a big borough. Most parts of Barnet are nice but costly to rent and not that close to the city centre. An older population than other parts of london. Ethnic mix is mainly white and oriental.

Bounds Green N11

Bounds Green tube station provides good links to covent garden, leciester sq etc. A greek/turkish/cypriot area with some nice resturants and a few shops. Middlesex uni has a campus in bounds green. The highly reccomended Green Lanes/Harringey Ladders are near by for great food as is Alexandra Palace and Wood Green. Crime is probably higher than some areas but not really bad.

Brent Cross NW11

This is mainly an area which contains the n.circular and shopping centre. I wouldn't live here!

Crouch End N4
Crouch End Borders N19

I'd link these two areas together. Much like Muswell Hill (see below) - very trendy, young, cosmopolitan and expensive. Lots of young professionals renting. Lots of TV stars and musicians (eastenders stars and Gem from Oasis). Great range of resturants, record shops and gift shops. A very nice area but without a tube (nearest Highgate). Good ethnic mix.

Enfield N14

Sort of a mini town in its own right. To the very north of london and far from city centre. Is very pleasant with nice green areas, train station and bus links into city centre. Good shopping area. Can be expensive to buy, not sure about renting.

Finsbury Park N4

Fairly run down area but on the up. The park itself is nice with a boating lake and cafe. Close to Highbury (Although arsenal are moving). Higher crime than some areas. good ethnic mix. Cheaper than some areas. Not as far north as others discussed. Good tube links (on picadilly and victoria and train lines). Cinema and bowling near by.


Golders Green NW11

Traditionally a Jewish area. Still has a mainly Jewish population but is varying more now. Quite a posh area, fairly snobby. Some good private schools. Close to Hampstead Heath and Finchely Road. National Express goes via Golders Green on its way up north from Victoria. Good shopping area with Jewish/Chinese/Italian resturants. Expensive area to rent in and low crime compared to other areas. Mainly middle class families.

Hackney N16

A bad reputation for crime and housing but is definatly on the up. If you want somewhere cheap, this is a good choice. But crime is still bad.

Hampstead NW9

Probably one of London's poshest and most expensive areas but with some absolutely beautiful houses costing in excess of 1 million! Lovely shops, hampstead heath and some amazing history. Check out the Spaniards Pub. Hampstead Tube is its main transport link. Families and older couples mainly.

Hampstead Garden Suburb NW11

On the fringe of hampstead and overated in my opinion. Designed by Unwin using Ebenzer Howard's Garden City planning ideals. I find it fairly boring although I suppose the houses are individual. A very expensive area - contains Bishops Avenue which has houses costing over 20 million pounds. Quite difficult to get to (nearest tube probably east finchely). Mainly families and older couples.

Haringey N10

This is a borough containing areas such as crouch end, tottenham, bounds green, wood green, muswell hill, parts of highgate.

Highbury And Islington N5

A very nice area once again but quite diverse. Has a mix of housing estates and 1 million pound housing. Upper street is great for shopping. has good tube links. Nice green areas, nice resturants. Families and young proffessionals.

Highgate N8
Highgate Village N6

Highgate is an area with a great reputation and has some massive houses. Can be very expensive. Some very nice pubs and Highgate Woods for walking. Quite posh but very nice. Good schools such as Channing and Highgate Boys. Fairly middle class and mainly families.

Mill Hill NW7
Mill Hill East NW7

This area is fairly nice. Close to Brent Cross shopping centre and the M1. Has some ok shops (check out Mill Hill Wines - my uncles). Mostly families and older couples, not really a trendy area.

Muswell Hill N10

If I was going to live anywhere this would be it. I lived in alexandra palace but went to school in muswell hill. A trendy, young and fashionable area. Some great shops which offer what you want and something different. Loads of different resturants. Some beautiful housing, and flats for renting. A strong rental market for young proffesionals. Odeon cinema, good schools and close to alexandra park, highgate and crouch end. Only drawback is that it doesn't have a tube station. But Highgate tube is 15 mins walk away, bounds green is a busride away. Bus links are good to Tottenham court road and city centre.

Swiss Cottage NW6

Closer into town than other areas but tube is on jubilee line and area can be hard to get to. Close to St. John's Wood, Golder's Green and Hampstead. Fairly good shopping on Finchely Road - check out the Green Cottage (best chinese in n.london) and the o2 centre for shopping. Odean cinema also.

Tottenham N17

Has a v.bad reputation but is much improved since work has been put in to help the notorius broadwater farm estate (much like our manor). Cheaper housing, obviously has White Hart Lane, some nice pubs. Schools aren't great but White Hart Lane and Northumberland Park are slowly improving. The Langham reopened as Parkview Academy and is improved. Good tube links via seven sisters, wood green or tottenham hale station. I;d say a fairly young population with young families and couples.

Wood Green N22

Next to wood green, central shopping area. Second only to oxford street, more buses go to wood green than any other area. Good range of high street shops, two cinemas, safeways and sainsburys. Matalan has just opened. Not posh and fairly run down but good cheaper housing yet still close to muswell hill and crouch end.Good tube link on the picadilly line. Fairly young area but with families too. Good ethnic mix - black/asian/cypriot/white/chinese/bangladeshi


All these opinions are my own, hope they are useful, harriet

Originally posted by Sony
Thanks very much for that, worries mer slightly that it may be a bit too far to travel from kent to central London. I don't really know what to do!

To be fair travelling in london does take a long time........a 10/15min journey in rush hour can take 30/40mins so you may wana bear that in mind......I am from Hackeny, so i would advise you never to go there...........its a dump.......i would take a look at getting a place in Camden.....not bad and the night life is interesting :)