Can he go to the top?
He did well on Saturday but still showed himself to be a little immature, but when he got on top he battered the guy. We he be another one that flatters to deceive?.

good question hes still young and still learning,he did very well to come back from the knockdown,but the quality of his opponents is only going to go up its gonna be tough ,saw a lightweight fight a few months ago british kid graeme earl against an aussie i think, wot a fight unbelievable, maybe amir can get get it on with earl sometime ide pay good money to see that

He might get to be world champ (with 4 'world' belts spread over 10+ weights it isn't hard nowadays), but with that glass jaw he'll never dominate or be a top pound for pounder like Lennox, Naz and now Hatton and Calzaghe are.

He might get to be world champ (with 4 'world' belts spread over 10+ weights it isn't hard nowadays), but with that glass jaw he'll never dominate or be a top pound for pounder like Lennox, Naz and now Hatton and Calzaghe are.

way more than 4 world belts nowadays unfortunately :loopy:

i think he's still got a lot to learn, but lennox lewis fought at sheffield city hall early in his career and beleive me, you wouldn't have thought he'd go on to be a world champ!

personally i think hatton and calzaghe are great, but if you put a post on a US thread singing their praises you'd get laughed at (i have!). i guess it's about perspective - personally i'm more inclined to agree with yours - but a lot of US boxing fans think both Hatton and Calazaghe have fought mainly nobodys and have a lot to prove.

I think we saw Khans true colors the other night, his chin has never been tested until saturday, and he didn't exactley pass the test.

I think we saw Khans true colors the other night, his chin has never been tested until saturday, and he didn't exactley pass the test.

I don't think his chin has been truly tested yet, nor proved to be weak. Sure he went down, but it wasn't a one punch lay-out. Don't get me wrong it WAS a knockdown, but it was a series of shots, and I believe poor footwork on Amir's part was a lot to blame for him hitting the canvas.

if his fight record wasn't bolstered out with fights against no hopers and wannabee's, i'd belieive we had a decent fighter. enough said

if his fight record wasn't bolstered out with fights against no hopers and wannabee's, i'd belieive we had a decent fighter. enough said

Thats a bit like saying if your first job isn't running the country then you have failed. Like any job you start at the bottom and work your way up.

I think he is a good fighter with a fair chance of winning one of the stronger world titles.

Its just a pity Tyson never fought Lennox when Mike was in his PRIME.

Thats a bit like saying if your first job isn't running the country then you have failed. Like any job you start at the bottom and work your way up.

I think he is a good fighter with a fair chance of winning one of the stronger world titles.

give over, he came from amature ranks his promoter wanted to get his fight record up and running as soon as possible without the risk of him getting thrashed by a seasoned pro early on in his pro career so he was put up against a series of no hopers and has beens.

give over, he came from amature ranks his promoter wanted to get his fight record up and running as soon as possible without the risk of him getting thrashed by a seasoned pro early on in his pro career so he was put up against a series of no hopers and has beens.

Erm, name me ANY boxer who fights seasoned pro's early in his career numnuts. :loopy:

"personally i think hatton and calzaghe are great, but if you put a post on a US thread singing their praises you'd get laughed at (i have!)."

Yeah by the same people who were sure that Calzaghe would be thrashed by Lacey or that the likes of Braithwaite was a class above Maccarenelli.

Amir Khan has a fair way to go. The question is whether he will accept that he needs to keep learning and improving (not even because he is young but because real champions accept that they ALWAYS need to be looking at ways to improve), or whether he thinks he has no more to learn.

Having said that, I could realistically see him having a chance against Gavin Rees who won the WBO light-welter title on Saturday (but by his own admission is really a lightweight).

Katsadis, who beat Graham Earl had a great fight with a Phillipino guy which Sky showed at the weekend. Unfortunately the Phillipino won't be able to fight again.

Khan was floored heavily in an ABA fight not long before he turned pro. He was also knocked down in his IBF international title fight a few fights back (not really hurt but it was a knock down). Ironically, being knocked down and getting up again may make him a more thrills and spills attraction. It never did Dave "Boy" McAuley any harm (or Gatti for that matter).

"personally i think hatton and calzaghe are great, but if you put a post on a US thread singing their praises you'd get laughed at (i have!)."

Yeah by the same people who were sure that Calzaghe would be thrashed by Lacey or that the likes of Braithwaite was a class above Maccarenelli.



No, these would be different people...

Which American based fighters do they think are as good as Calzaghe in particular, or Hatton?

"Its just a pity Tyson never fought Lennox when Mike was in his PRIME."

Wasn't Lewis older than Tyson? Would have been a good fight in Tyson's earlier days, but I still think Lewis would have won.

Lewis was always a better boxer than Tyson. When Tyson hit the big time there was hardly any competition, the division was PAP!

Erm, name me ANY boxer who fights seasoned pro's early in his career numnuts. :loopy:

whats with the insults?

you tell me that all of khans fights upto now HAVN'T purely been to bolster his position and his fight record so the promoter can say oh he fought so many boxers and won so many by knockout, he's undefeated now we want so many hundred thousand to fight your boxer. if he was good enough to get as far as he did in the olympics then im sure he could have fought to where he is now and not have it handed on plate to him. boxing is run by the money men not the rankings!!!! why do so many boxers quit thier belts when the governing body tells them to fight the next guy in the rankings? MONEY thats why its all about the money my friend. enough said.

Which American based fighters do they think are as good as Calzaghe in particular, or Hatton?

"Its just a pity Tyson never fought Lennox when Mike was in his PRIME."

Wasn't Lewis older than Tyson? Would have been a good fight in Tyson's earlier days, but I still think Lewis would have won.

in hatton's case it's mayweather - they are sooooooo anti-anyone who isn't american! but basically, they reckon hatton needs to step up a weight to prove himself, but that mayweather and a few others will slaughter him. hopin like hell hatton does step up and whup PBF's ass so i can ram it down their throats!

with joe, it's kessler and hopkins, and being as the kessler fights on, we'll soon see! (in joe's case they just don't like him!)

whats with the insults?

you tell me that all of khans fights upto now HAVN'T purely been to bolster his position and his fight record so the promoter can say oh he fought so many boxers and won so many by knockout, he's undefeated now we want so many hundred thousand to fight your boxer. if he was good enough to get as far as he did in the olympics then im sure he could have fought to where he is now and not have it handed on plate to him. boxing is run by the money men not the rankings!!!! why do so many boxers quit thier belts when the governing body tells them to fight the next guy in the rankings? MONEY thats why its all about the money my friend. enough said.

you're quite right, but it's nothing new. i read 'king of the world' (about ali) a while ago, and they did the dsame back then with just about everyone. ease them in, make some money while they're at it. that's the name of game it seems.

Lewis was always a better boxer than Tyson. When Tyson hit the big time there was hardly any competition, the division was PAP!

You are joking ? Lewis would have been another Spinks.

"You are joking ? Lewis would have been another Spinks."

When Tyson was in his prime, James Bonecrusher Smith and Mitch Green were able to go the distance with him comfortably. Spinks allowed himself to be intimidated and was beaten by the myth before he got in the ring. That wouldn't have happened to Lewis.

Given that Lewis was knocked out by McCall and Rahman, Tyson certainly had a puncher's chance. But failing such a knockout, Lewis would have comfortably beaten him on points, or even stopped Tyson himself.

!in hatton's case it's mayweather - they are sooooooo anti-anyone who isn't american! but basically, they reckon hatton needs to step up a weight to prove himself, but that mayweather and a few others will slaughter him. hopin like hell hatton does step up and whup PBF's ass so i can ram it down their throats!"

Mayweather is obviously very good (though boring) but why should Ricky have to move up in weight to prove himself? Hagler never moved up in weight. If Ricky doesn't fight Mayweather it will be no fault of Ricky's.



>with joe, it's kessler and hopkins, and being as the kessler fights on, we'll soon see! (in joe's case they just don't like him!)

And I am betting that very few of these people have ever even seen Kessler fight to make a judgement. I have Sky, Setanta and Eurosport and I can't recall ever seeing Kessler fight (his record is clearly formidable, just saying it is hard to judge how good he is without having seen him). As for Hopkins, he is superb, but again, why should Joe have to fight a light-heavyweight to prove he is the best Super-middleweight. There is no American fighting at Super-middleweight who is in Joe's class.

the hagler argument is the exact argument that i've used, and to be honest, no one's been able to counter it, but it matters not - hatton and calzaghe have proved themselves to us, but there the fights that a lot of the american fans (based on my limited interaction) want to see. without them, the yanks will write the pair of them off. doesnt' matter what i say or you say (we seem to be pretty much in agreement) - the yanks (again from limited interactions) aren't going to be won over by arguments - only fights. like i said earlier, it's a matter of perspective

Amir Khan is due to fight on Oct 6 and again on December 8th. Graham Earl's local paper has reported that Earl will be the opponent in December. Meanwhile Jon Thaxton says he has sponsorship that will allow him to fight Khan in October without Frank Warren having to pay him anything, and that Sky have also agreed to allow Thaxton to take the fight on ITV.

"You are joking ? Lewis would have been another Spinks."

When Tyson was in his prime, James Bonecrusher Smith and Mitch Green were able to go the distance with him comfortably. Spinks allowed himself to be intimidated and was beaten by the myth before he got in the ring. That wouldn't have happened to Lewis.

Tyson

Especially seeing as Lewis had sparred with Tyson in their early days. The present Heavyweight scene is considered pretty poor, but it is like a golden age compared to the rubbish that Tyson steam rollered in the late 80's!

Khan

Back OT, I don't think that Khan has had that much of an easy ride in the Pro ranks. Steffy Bull was considered to be a decent domestic fighter and Limmond was far from being the weakest champ to ever hold the commonwealth title. He does take too many punches flush, which hopefully is due to being a bit 'green'.

Hatton

At 5'6" Hatton should never be fighting at Welter. Cintron, Williams, Margarito are all around the 6' mark. Castillo made his mark at lightweight and he is 2 inches taller than Ricky!

Bloomin' Yanks

I guarantee that should Hatton beat Mayweather, the US critics will say that Mayweather was 'shot', jaded, or was that never that good in the first place.

"Back OT, I don't think that Khan has had that much of an easy ride in the Pro ranks. Steffy Bull was considered to be a decent domestic fighter and Limmond was far from being the weakest champ to ever hold the commonwealth title. He does take too many punches flush, which hopefully is due to being a bit 'green'."

I agree and even Ryan Barrett, who Khan blew away in seconds so was derided, has gone on to win titles at domestic level, after fighting Khan. Although one criticism that does ring true is that they have primarily matched him with fighters who normally fight at Super-Feather or below (although that doesn't apply to Bull or Limond).

Khan's good no doubt. Anyone only half decent will get knocked out, no doubt!

The proof of how good he actually is will be when he comes up against the physically stronger and technically gifted fighters at the top of the tree.

Prince Naseem found out the hard way. Kahn i feel may learn the same way!

But by the time of his only loss, Hamed had stopped doing roadwork or generally training hard, and had begun to believe the hype of his hangers-on. Hopefully Khan can keep his feet on the ground.

But by the time of his only loss, Hamed had stopped doing roadwork or generally training hard, and had begun to believe the hype of his hangers-on. Hopefully Khan can keep his feet on the ground.

At his peak Naz was the fighter at the top of the tree. He is one of the all-time great featherweights.
The Naz that lost to Barrera was as comparatively as close to his peak as the Ali that lost to Spinks. Not in terms of age, but in terms of effectiveness.

I can remember watching his early fights and he was electrifying, his reactions and speed were almost superhuman.

But then his ego, which was never modest, took over, he fell out with Brenden, fell in love with pies, and started listening to his idiot brothers. The rest is history.

As a boxing coach, I say Khan is a great prospect with exceptional hand speed. However, it's very difficult when match making, he has to be schooled and guided with care. To rush him too fast would be bad for the fighter and for british boxing.

True, there are plenty of fighters out there that could beat him at the moment, but what the british public forget is, he is still a novice at pro level and also very young with a lot of expectations on him.

BE PATIENT: he will fight for a world title but not yet.
He as speed, power, youth and bags of enthusiasm.

So let's get behind the kid not start slagging him off.

British boxing is in great shape just look at JOE, ENZO, RICKY. The only problem we have is the heavyweight division and I don't want to go down that avenue.
ENOUGH SAID....Hope this is taken as constructive!

Frank Warren has denied the report that the Khan v Earl fight is on in December. The local newspaper that reported that it was also said that Earl is WBU champion (which he isn't any more, Lee McAllister and Craig Doherty are fighting for that title next month), so not the most on-the-ball reporting anyway.

It has now been announced that Khan will fight English champion Scott Lawton next.

Jon Thaxton (who beat Lawton in his last fight) will be defending his British title against Dave Stewart around the same time (but not on the same bill).

It has now been announced that Khan will fight English champion Scott Lawton next.

Jon Thaxton (who beat Lawton in his last fight) will be defending his British title against Dave Stewart around the same time (but not on the same bill).

This is a step down from Limmond, which at this stage in his career is probably a good idea.
Should still be competitive, but I don't think that Khan will get into the stormy waters that he faced against Limmond.

I see Amir Khan is now talking about being a three weight world champion. Might be best to concentrate on being a one-weight champion first.

chin is the only question mark

Amir Khan's next opponent Gairy St Clair looks like a step up. Being a former IBF champion (though at Super-Feather). He has never been stopped. Khan will have a six inch height advantage though.

He's another Naz, too cocky and not as great as he thinks he is. Yeah he's fast but speed isn't everything. As with Naz, his opponents are jokes. The only "real" fighter Naz ever faught he lost, and then where did he go??

I think they need to put him up against a proper fighter and see just how clever he is then. He wont be dancing round like a prat and dropping his hands when he's picking himself off the floor. In my opinion boxing has become a bit of a joke at the pro level that the likes of Khan are so called "dominating". I think some of the lads down the local club would drop him. it's more of a celebrity sport to what it used to be, all big drama press conferences and pre fight bitching matches rather than a quality pound for pound fight where the fight is so close and intense that it could go either way. To watch him face someone and in the first round the ref stops it is jusy pathetic and any mug that pays that sort of money to watch that live wants there head testing.

His day will come when he feels the canvas.

Its not fair to ask Amir to go in with some top top fighter so early in his career- but he will beat the best domestically, and like Naz, slowly creep up towards fighting ex world champions- and no doubt, 1-2 of these will be 'over the hill' but that is how you develop-and Frank Warren ain't stupid, he knows his pension is in Amir so will carefully groom him towards an achieveable title shot, even if its a WBO.
AMir is not as cocky as Naz but of course, when your 21, handsome and getting rich, you tend to think you can wipe everyone - Amir has a dodgy chin, unlike Naz, so that is my only worry with him- apart from that, I am a fan, saw him Live at Excel arena when D. Williams fought Audley Harrisson.

I don't know how dodgy Amir's chin really is. There are certain fighters who are relatively easy to knock over, but much less easy to actually hurt in a way that the legs have gone etc. Dave Boy McAuley was one of those, for example.

Actually I am less impressed with the St Clair match on closer examination. If you look at the independent computerised rankings on the IBO website, St Clair is rated below Khan. And while he has an overall winning record, his record against top 50-rated opponents is W2 L4. He is also rated at Super-feather, not Lightweight. So, on paper, I would say this is actually a step down from Earl.

British Boxing is awesome at the moment, Lets get behind our Boxers instead of giving them a hard time, ie. Khan. He's done great up to now.
Remember unlike some fighting arts, you can't play at boxing, its a tough sport.

Craig.

Remember unlike some fighting arts, you can't play at boxing, its a tough sport.

Unlike which fighting arts exactly??

As much as I am a big fan of Boxing and have also trained in it, it doesn't touch the sides on Martial Arts! UFC for example, now thats a "tough" sport. The guys in that, particularly the top contenders, would wipe there arse with the likes of Khan, Naz, and who ever else without any problem what so ever. Probably be one of the fastest knock outs recorded.

Can we keep this thread to Amir Khan please, rather than the comparative merits of two different sports?

Can we keep this thread to Amir Khan please, rather than the comparative merits of two different sports?

True- UFC is a different sport (if even that). Going back to amir khan, let him follow his game plan- he is a very confident and (I add) strong lad- my guess is he will clean up domestically.
I look forward to him going for a world title by close of 2008.

Doesn't touch the side of Martial Arts, UFC :roll: :hihi:

Nuff said ;)

Craig.

Doesn't touch the side of Martial Arts, UFC :roll: :hihi:

Nuff said ;)

Craig.

That is a very vicious no holds barred scary as **** mo fo's just wanting to do as much damage as they can. I seen it few times and my bros are heavy into it, they have dvds/record on sky+ and think its awesome. I have learnt some moves from me younger bros but don't really see the UFC getting to the type of coverage and sponsorship boxing generates.

British Boxing is awesome at the moment, Lets get behind our Boxers instead of giving them a hard time, ie. Khan. He's done great up to now.
Remember unlike some fighting arts, you can't play at boxing, its a tough sport.

Craig.

Absolutely agree with that. Anyone who climbs through the ropes deserves respect for the sheer guts it takes.

Absolutely agree with that. Anyone who climbs through the ropes deserves respect for the sheer guts it takes.

Yes I agree, they deserve the respect but only if they are up against a proper fighter not a mug in a pair of gloves that is stuck in the ring by a money scrounging so called promoter to try and make someone else look awesome, as they did with Naz for all them years. :loopy:

His opponents were jokes, I can remember one bloke this black guy that was in the ring against him and he was absolutely crapping his pants and Naz walked over hands down jiggling around like he had a rat up his arse and dropped him in the first round! That is no boxing match, it is pathetic!! The most ridiculous thing is that it made it on to the 10 best knockouts DVD which made me bin the stupid thing.

A true fight are the likes of Benn V Eubank, that was a "boxing match" and all out war. The likes of Khan prancing around dropping nobodys is just comical. If they were fighting true opponents they wouldn't be able to walk around all cocky with there hands by there sides as they'd get dropped in seconds.

Benn and Eubank had plenty of lower-level opponents. People remember the big "head to heads" with rose coloured spectacles.

Amir Khan has fought the reigning and defending English and Commonwealth champions and beaten them. His last opponent had voluntarily relinquished the British, Commonwealth and WBU titles to go for a WBO world title shot, which he lost in what was considered one of the top fights of 2007. Khan makes good fighters look bad.

Some people seem to expect boxers to fight the top world names in their division within their first few fights.

Amir Khan isn't that good, he may win a belt though because it's so many of them