DOG OWNERS!!
my dog has just been attacked for the second time in Hillsborough park by a japenese akita, my dog was on its lead (he's a welsh terrier) the akita was not!!!
No owner, with it...!! my dog was lucky to get away with his life and only did so as I was helped by a passing woman who helped me kick ( yes kick ) the dog off!!!
why do people have these fighting dogs with what I can only say have psychotic personalities due to inbreeding and bad ownership

Call the Police on 999 NOW!!!! Don't waste any time. The next victim (animal or human) might not be so lucky.

Glad that your dog is ok. :thumbsup:

i have done......... apparantly it has done this a few times with and without the owner.they do not know where it belongs, but are concerned as if it graps a child god knows what it would do.

I had to kick it several times before it let gfo of my dog and I must admit I was scared of what itcould do to me..

thank god for the middle aged lady called maggie to waded in with me....complete with marks and spencer carrier bags

Yes most definatley call the police, and insist that they look into it . I have heard several different people saying the same thing about an akita dog in hillsbourgh park, so the animal must do it on a regular basis

ISTR that there are reports on the Forum of this same dog.

Edit: yes... in fact it was you crowefan link (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16750&highlight=akita)

Originally posted by crowefan
DOG OWNERS!!
"with what I can only say have psychotic personalities due to inbreeding"

Their dogs suffer from this as well ;)

I can only hope that some-one can soon put a name and better still an address to this dog.
I have looked after an Akita and so know only too well how strong and dominant they can be and the fact that if you are going to own one you should most definitely be a rsponsible and intelligent owner. Unfortunately it sounds as though the owner of this particular dog is neither of the above and so the dog should be removed from their ownership as soon as possible.

sorry but i dont agree with people having jap dogs, they are fighting dogs its in their blood!, at least they should have a lead and muzzle. Not esp a fan of little dogs as one attacked mine the other month and slit her nose. Again mine was on lead and i restrained her, knew if i let her off shed have really hurt the terrior. The owner started squealing like a silly cow when i slapped her dog away - with my foot. Silly C**, my dogs scared for life now.
You should call the police though mate, that dog needs putting done for an unprovoked attack

this dog is a severe nusiance in Hillsborough park not to mention the irresponsible owner.

Isn't there anyone to get involved in this other than the police, some one to prosecute the owner.

As I said in the other thread, my sis-in-law owns a creamed coloured male akita and he does aparently look like Nikita (I believe this is the akita in questions name). My sis in law has had run ins with this dog before and the owner knows the dog is a risk.

This is irresponsible ownership and the dog should be removed and the owner banned from owning any pet.

Hope you dog is okay Crowe

Moon

the only remedy for dogs like this is a bullet !!!!!:rant:

Originally posted by craigmason
the only remedy for dogs like this is a bullet !!!!!:rant:

do we really need to go through this again...personally I would suggest that for the owner.

Moon

i do think a lot of it is done to how the dog is treated

Wakey wakey! Is there's a good knife shop up there? Nice Sheffield made Bowie 5" of Sheffield steel in its neck ought to sort it out. Self defence. And dog ****e carries the germ which causes toxicara leading to blindness and can be fatal. :gag:

my dogs' poop doesnt!

Sorry to hear about this Crowefan, Can't understand the menatality of people who let these kind of dogs run about in public. It's damned irresponsible and asking for some one or their pet to be injured ....... I hope that your dog recovers and that the relevant authorities prosecute the owner.

I wouldnt neccesarily say it was the dogs fault it was probably a bad upbringing howewver no dog with a temperament like the akita should be aloud to rome around. My auntie as an akita and it is a great loyal friendly akita so not all of them are like that and its mainly due to bad upbringing.

I hope your dog is ok.

Its quite suprising really i have never seen a japanese akita in hillsborough park especially of its lead and i live just up the road from it .

Fallen

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
And dog ****e carries the germ which causes toxicara leading to blindness and can be fatal. :gag: Only if the dog has worms.

Originally posted by FallenAngel6
I wouldnt neccesarily say it was the dogs fault it was probably a bad upbringing howewver no dog with a temperament like the akita should be aloud to rome around. My auntie as an akita and it is a great loyal friendly akita so not all of them are like that and its mainly due to bad upbringing.
As a breed, the Akita characteristics include this tendency to turn on a percieved threat with no warning. I know a few Akitas, (being a member of a couple of dog clubs) and it is very important that they are properly supervised at all times.

There are exeptions though. My auntie has a 'Deefenbaker' style, pointier muzzle type, and he's always been soft as a brush and good with the kids.

My mum was advised against an Akita and bought a Norweigan Elkhound instead. They're smaller and have a more stable temperament - bark loudly but don't tend to bite.

I have to ask Crowefan- was your dog barking at the Akita before the attack?

IF. Exactly.
I despise our pet worshipping society and see most dog 'owning' as a symptom of society lacking human community and depth. And then folks say 'because they aren't looked after properly'!
:loopy:
I've unsubscribed from this cos you can all go to the dogs with your insane barking.
AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

Originally posted by FallenAngel6
My auntie as an akita and it is a great loyal friendly akita so not all of them are like that and its mainly due to bad upbringing.


yes fallen, however your aunti'es akita has had severe illness, so it is unlikely to wish to act to normal breed standards, not to mention his birth and other problems.

He is hardly a what people would expect of an akita.

Moon

my dog is a welsh terrier aged 2 years..very friendly and open with people and dogs alike. He neither provoked ( or indeed saw) the dog in question before the attack.

I thank god my scottish terrier, who was loose and well behaved during all this was nearby and I was able to pick her up out of harms way

THERE has been debate whether the dog is blameless...I know its in these dogs natures to be agressive, and so even if I am angry at the creature for harming my dog ( 35 £ in vets bills for antibiotices etc!!) it is the owners fault for its behaviour off the lead.
I know I hurt the dog, ( and so did the lady who helped me!!) but I have no worries with that, my dog would I am convinced been killed if I had not waded in with a pair of size 10s.

people need to think about keeping these dogs...they are as we all know symbols of status...

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
Wakey wakey! Is there's a good knife shop up there? Nice Sheffield made Bowie 5" of Sheffield steel in its neck ought to sort it out. Self defence. And dog ****e carries the germ which causes toxicara leading to blindness and can be fatal. :gag: Err... I think you need to calm down there a little.

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
Wakey wakey! Is there's a good knife shop up there? Nice Sheffield made Bowie 5" of Sheffield steel in its neck ought to sort it out. Self defence. And dog ****e carries the germ which causes toxicara leading to blindness and can be fatal. :gag:

suggest that both the police and the dog warden are contacted regarding dangerous dogs. Carrying a 5 inch knife around with you will land you in court and I'm afraid an argument of self defence of either yourself or your dog will not be a legal defence.

Originally posted by crowefan
THERE has been debate whether the dog is blameless...I know its in these dogs natures to be agressive, and so even if I am angry at the creature for harming my dog Well it would've had difficulty harming your dog if it had been under control, wouldn't it?

The problem at the moment with big agressive dogs, is the SOME OF THE PEOPLE who choose to own them. Perhaps there should be another reason for handing out 'banned form keeping animals' orders in the courts, other than cruelty to animals.

What did the police have to say about it, BTW?

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
IF. Exactly.
I despise our pet worshipping society and see most dog 'owning' as a symptom of society lacking human community and depth. And then folks say 'because they aren't looked after properly'!
:loopy:
I've unsubscribed from this cos you can all go to the dogs with your insane barking.
AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

eh? you see owning a pet as what now?

why do old people have little dogs, council ests have vicious/big dogs and posh people have cats? im generalising but its something ive seen

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
why do old people have little dogs, council ests have vicious/big dogs and posh people have cats? im generalising but its something ive seen

old people have small dogs because they are easier to look after, easier to control and generally require less care than large breeds.
Can you imagine a frail old woman walking a big dog that pulled on the lead when it saw a cat?

can't comment on council estates or 'posh' people.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
why do old people have little dogs

'cos big dogs pull them over

why do council ests have vicious/big dogs

To protect their property

why do posh people have cats?

'cos they're usually too busy to have dogs so keep cats as they're more independent.

Perhaps. :D

but little dogs pee everywhere and you have to bend down and clean it up! and at least big dogs do big poohs - easier for oldies to see! and they wont get mugged with a big dog, or its pooh!

A dog that big... In Hillsborough... I've not noticed any large houses with big grounds around there. Where do these people keep the dogs? Surely it is cruel and unfair to keep a dog of that size in a small house, they need lots of exercise and should have land to run on.

I'm sure there are some great dog owners out there, but probably only one in a hundred. How can a dog that size always be kept on a lead, doesn't that mean it would never be able to run about and get proper excercise... isn't that cruel... and if they are not getting proper exercise, won't they be more aggressive?

I think keeping big dogs in cities will one day be something that we no longer see as acceptable.

Originally posted by Snook
A dog that big... In Hillsborough... I've not noticed any large houses with big grounds around there. Where do these people keep the dogs? Surely it is cruel and unfair to keep a dog of that size in a small house, they need lots of exercise and should have land to run on.

I'm sure there are some great dog owners out there, but probably only one in a hundred. How can a dog that size always be kept on a lead, doesn't that mean it would never be able to run about and get proper excercise... isn't that cruel... and if they are not getting proper exercise, won't they be more aggressive?

I think keeping big dogs in cities will one day be something that we no longer see as acceptable.

The Japanese Akita is unusual for a big dog as they will accept limited amounts of exercise, they can if required go for miles but also apparently quite happy with a ttrip round the block a couple of times a day. In the States they are sometimes known as 'apartment dogs' as they don't require a large compound or similar to be kept in.
Speaking from personal experience the one I looked after was ALWAYS exercised on the lead, he had a very short lead and then a six foot running lead so he had time to stop and sniff before I caught him up and he had to walk on. He was a white Akita and little kids were always wanting to pat and stroke him which he loved but like most male Akita's I've met he had a very dominant personality and so had to be kept very firmly under control when near other dogs.
I'd still say that the cretinous owner is the one at fault and really believe that certain people shouldn't be allowed to own any type of dog let alone one that needs such competent handling.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
why do old people have little dogs, council ests have vicious/big dogs and posh people have cats? im generalising but its something ive seen Since when was a Corgi a cat?

Old people have little dogs so they can keep them under control easily.

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
I'd still say that the cretinous owner is the one at fault and really believe that certain people shouldn't be allowed to own any type of dog let alone one that needs such competent handling. I agree with all that you've said WB. Especially this bit.

my parents have a relatively big dog, but they live out of the city and he gets a couple of miles walk twice a day, or maybe just 1 mile if it's cold and wet.
Saying that, we do 1 mile, he probably does 4.

Despite being quite large he's actually a coward and it's unusual for him to fight back against other dogs.
My parents were quite proud when (a few months ago now) a smaller dog that's known to be quite nasty nipped him and he chased it and ran over it twice before pinning it down (but not breaking the skin). He's finally growing up at the age of 5!
He's also a very friendly dog and always wants to go upto other dogs and/or people.

Originally posted by Strix
Since when was a Corgi a cat?

Old people have little dogs so they can keep them under control easily.
who says she posh??
anyway back to hillsb - why dont people use that cornered off bit for their dogs to poo?

There's an oldish bloke with an Akita who always stands on the bank between the pond and library.We are not talking about this dog are we? I have never seen this one off the lead.

Originally posted by matsalleh
There's an oldish bloke with an Akita who always stands on the bank between the pond and library.We are not talking about this dog are we? I have never seen this one off the lead.

Earlier on this thread Moon Maiden mentioned that the dog may well be cream in colour so possibly a white Akita. White Akita's are very striking and don't have the black face mask like other Akita's do.
If I get the chance I can see I'm going to be roaming through the park looking for this animal. If I do spot it running loose I'll then follow it to see where it lives.

I regulary go past wisewood junior school on the bus and there is a woman who stands bang outside the school gates with two of these dogs whilst all the kids are coming out of school ,before long there will be somebodys kiddie bitten .

Originally posted by matsalleh
There's an oldish bloke with an Akita who always stands on the bank between the pond and library.We are not talking about this dog are we? I have never seen this one off the lead.

there is a guy with an akita, sort of balding guy with a a beard. I cannot remember off hand what colour his dog is. He never has him off the lead and because he knows his dogs temperement will not let other male dogs near him.

As far as I am aware if the akita in question is accompanied by a human, it is normally a blonde female variety.

As I have said before, my sis-i-laws akita looks very similar to the one going round attacking dogs, but he is a he and is NEVER off his lead. Also his temprement is not that of a standard akita because of various problems he has.

Moon

i hope ur dogs o.k i hate seeing lil animals hurt i think owners should just take more care of their dogs no need to have nasty dogs

update on finlay. he has a nasty bite mark on his back but is bouncing around....

I WONT BE WALKING MY DOGS IN THE PARK AGAIN!!

The bloke someone mentioned with what looks like an elderly akita in the park is always supervised and well behaved.. it suspect the akita that attacked my dog is owned by a woman

Originally posted by crowefan
The bloke someone mentioned with what looks like an elderly akita in the park is always supervised and well behaved.. it suspect the akita that attacked my dog is owned by a woman

I've seen a bloke with an akita (cream I think, but diificult to tell under street lights) in H'boro. He walks down from the park, past the H'boro Park tram stop (where I'm waiting for my tram)and off towards H'boro corner. I've NEVER seen it on a lead. Might be the same one...EDIT: I mean the attacking dog, not the well supervised one!

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
anyway back to hillsb - why dont people use that cornered off bit for their dogs to poo?

It doesn't matter where people let their dogs poo, they should ALWAYS be picking it up, bagging and binning it anyway!

does anyone know what IS the best course of action when confronted by a grossley angry jap dog??

Originally posted by crowefan
does anyone know what IS the best course of action when confronted by a grossley angry jap dog??

A couple of tips,
1. Don't make any sudden moves if it is just threatening you, like trying to run away, a dog can run faster than you. Don't wave your arms at it trying to scare it as it will view that as a threat and probably think you're going to attack it.
2. Don't try and stare it down, don't catch it's eye and make sure you try and look as submissive as possible.
This is good advice for any aggressive dog, the Japanese Akita if taught correctly is a very good natured dog with people, but is tremendously loyal and protective towards it's owners and unfortunately is not the most sociable of dogs when encountering other dogs.
.

I am seen the offending dog with female owner, just missed catching her for a row.....

I am on the case. watch this space

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
don't catch it's eye and make sure you try and look as submissive as possible..
ive got a friend who trains police dogs and security dogs and he says thats pants about the staring in eye thing.
on another note i have heard if you look at cats and close ur eyes slowly, it shows trust to cats?!

Originally posted by crowefan
does anyone know what IS the best course of action when confronted by a grossley angry jap dog??

kick it's ass. :thumbsup:

seriously, a single dog isn't that dangerous. Although i'll admit that it might be damn scary.
They will tend to jump at you if attacking. You can either ram as much of your arm as will fit as deep as possible into it's mouth. This will result in some superficial biting, but will stop it doing anything else. Although what you do from there could be slightly problematic.
Or (and this is a bit mean really) grab it's front legs as it jumps at you and push them apart hard. This will flood it's heart and it will be dead before it hits the floor.

although this isnt going to sound serious.......

if a dog gets its jaw locked onto you i think i remember hearing that you will never get it to leg go unless....erm....you stick your finger up its bum!!! haha.... apparantly the shock makes them let go. i dunno if thats worse than getting bitten though.

maybe someone could provide a link of a picture of a dog similar to the one question so people can keep there eye out. i myself have no idea what this type of dog looks like.

people say dont run, but i think i would, just wudunt be thinking enough to be sensible if big dog was lukin at me with teeth and growling

Originally posted by MTheo
although this isnt going to sound serious.......

if a dog gets its jaw locked onto you i think i remember hearing that you will never get it to leg go unless....erm....you stick your finger up its bum!!! haha.... apparantly the shock makes them let go. i dunno if thats worse than getting bitten though.

maybe someone could provide a link of a picture of a dog similar to the one question so people can keep there eye out. i myself have no idea what this type of dog looks like.

people say dont run, but i think i would, just wudunt be thinking enough to be sensible if big dog was lukin at me with teeth and growling

you'll just get bitten from behind if you run.
If you're on a mountain bike then I find that I can leave my parents dog about 20s. That 20s would be plenty of time to be knocked off though.

The jaw lock thing is nonsense - no dogs jaw 'locks' - but they have to want to release, which is a quite different thing from locking.

It's quite right about a single dog, but you have to have a lot of self-confidence to let a big dog bite you so you can control it! At least a big dog tends to hang on, unlike a small one that snaps rapidly.

I would be interested to know opinions on whether it would be best to be 'submissive' or 'dominant'. My own inclination would be 'friendly dominant'.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
ive got a friend who trains police dogs and security dogs and he says thats pants about the staring in eye thing.
on another note i have heard if you look at cats and close ur eyes slowly, it shows trust to cats?!

Sorry I'm not up on kiddy speak but are you saying that's rubbish? That's interesting but I must say that if ever I have tried to stare a bad tempered dog down that it has just made it feel threatened and therefore more aggressive, I would of thought this was the same for most of the animal kingdom including man.
On one of those police rreality programs i do seem to remember a police dog Kahn? chasing a guy and then as the offender was caught the dog handler got him to sit with his back to the wall and told him not to look directly at his dog,]

My dad used to breed German Shepherd dogs when i was a kid.
By the time i was about 13, i realised i could hold my own with just about any of his dogs.

I always found that if you can get a dog on its back and hold at least 3 of it's paws (without being bitten), you should be ok.

There is no point trying to beat a dog into submission because it'll just laugh at any punishment you dish out!.

I have always thought it better to try and immobilise the dog in some way.

Originally posted by vidster
I always found that if you can get a dog on its back and hold at least 3 of it's paws (without being bitten), you should be ok.

Only minor problem with this idea is that the dog is going to be rather unwilling to say the least to being rolled on it's back

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
Only minor problem with this idea is that the dog is going to be rather unwilling to say the least to being rolled on it's back

I didn't intend on asking it to roll over! ;) .

If a dog is attacking, the last thing in it's mind is balance.

Have you ever wrestled with a dog, especially a big one?.
It's quite easy to get one on it's back and i'd rather try this than getting my face ripped off!

Originally posted by vidster
Have you ever wrestled with a dog, especially a big one?.
It's quite easy to get one on it's back and i'd rather try this than getting my face ripped off!

I've owned a couple of german shepherds and have now got a labrador cross, so in answer to your question yes I have play wrestled with several large dogs. P've never had to fight off a truly angry animal but would probably endeavour to pin it somehow though with their agility, and sharp shiny teeth and powerful back paws to kick you in the face i wouldn't imagine it'd be much fun, [if that's the right word]

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
though with their agility, and sharp shiny teeth and powerful back paws to kick you in the face i wouldn't imagine it'd be much fun, [if that's the right word]

Unlike a Mule, a dog doesn't know how to kick with it's back paws :) .

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER i wouldn't imagine it'd be much fun,

Faced with having your face ripped off.....I know which one i'd rather try!!!;)

Originally posted by vidster
Unlike a Mule, a dog doesn't know how to kick with it's back paws :) .

Interesting point, and yes, I would agree. Must try to remember this the next time me and the dog are having a romp. :D

They have very little power in the front legs though they are far more agile with them. Big dogs seem to have 3 main weapons... teeth, chest, front legs / paws.

Easy to hold a dogs jaw together - I guess like a crocodiles.
Chest / front legs - someone mentioned getting it onto its back and I would agree its a good place to have a dog if you can somehow stop it squirming.

The main opening tactic is a leap to get hold of an arm and then pull back to get YOU off balance.

Hmmm... despite all this, I still don't think I would like to be near a dog like mine if it was really upset with me. More likely to lick me to death :D.:clap:

Originally posted by vidster
Unlike a Mule, a dog doesn't know how to kick with it's back paws :) .;)

I was just remembering in the summer and sitting on the grass play fighting with a boxer, a large amiable dog that didn't know it's own strength. We were taking it in turn to bowl the other one over and then as i came down to pin him on his side he squirmed vigorously and I had lots of claret pouring out of my nose as he had kicked me as he attempted to get up, boy did my eye's tear
On a different tack, I was once told if a dog grabs your fist, [never offer a dog your open hand] rather than trying to pull away try instead to force your hand further down it's throat, does anyone know would this actually have the desired effect?

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
On a different tack, I was once told if a dog grabs your fist, [never offer a dog your open hand] rather than trying to pull away try instead to force your hand further down it's throat, does anyone know would this actually have the desired effect?

I would say that it's definately better for a dog to think that it has a good holding grip between its back (flat) teeth rather than having it tearing and grabbing with its front (very pointy) teeth in order to get that holding grip. If you have a proper dog you will know what I mean :)

I think in my entire life I've only been bitten by a dog on three occasions where the skin was broken. I hope i never do have a dog rreally want to take chunks out of me as I'm not sure how i'd react in such a situation. The idea as i understood it was if you forced your hand further into a dogs mouth that it would be inclined to let go as you were in effect trying to choke it. I'm not sure if this would work as with the speed a dog can move at i would of thought it would just release you and then get a better hold.

In my experience the dog would try to close it's mouth faster than you can shove your hand down it's throat, therefore you will loose lots of skin and still have your hand on the outside of the dog's mouth.

flippin eck! Well having never been attacked by a dog I cannot really comment...although I have seen the same things about staring a dog out.

Never stare a dog out unless you are prepared to fight to the death is what I have been told. It is old pack behaviour which is unlikely to be bred out.

Moon

Originally posted by vidster
In my experience the dog would try to close it's mouth faster than you can shove your hand down it's throat, therefore you will loose lots of skin and still have your hand on the outside of the dog's mouth.

if your hand is on the outside then you're onto a winner cause it's not got hold of you.

The idea is that you push in as it's already trying to get a nice large chunk of (your arm preferably, much less sensitive and delicate than hand). The combination makes it want to spit you back out.

LOL at the John Rambo's of this site talking about how best to take down a dog! Now, which do you guys think was the "hardest" - Chuck Norris or Sly Stallone? ;)

Originally posted by Mouseman
LOL at the John Rambo's of this site talking about how best to take down a dog! Now, which do you guys think was the "hardest" - Chuck Norris or Sly Stallone? ;)

what's your clever alternative then, be bitten for a while and hope it gets bored and leaves?

the akita in question is huge and nasty......
would I put my hand in its mouth,eyes???
I think not

Originally posted by crowefan
the akita in question is huge and nasty......
would I put my hand in its mouth,eyes???
I think not

what would you do if it were attacking you?

Originally posted by crowefan
the akita in question is huge and nasty......
would I put my hand in its mouth,eyes???
I think not

If you don't take action then the attacking dog certainly will :suspect: .

Originally posted by Cyclone
what's your clever alternative then, be bitten for a while and hope it gets bored and leaves?


I dont have one! I imagine most people would instantly forget discussions like these when actually confronted by an angry dog and either run away or wet their pants :D

If you can't see Wallbuilder's pics, here's a local breeder's website (http://www.redwitch.co.uk/)

It's easy to see why these dogs require firm handling and supervision

Suggestions:

Carry a can of spray paint to mark the dog or scare it.

There is a common substance which dopes dogs, used by criminals. Is it de-frost spray?

Granma

I think I've figured it out and so am pleased to be able to post a link to an album of a couple of pics of the white Japanese Akita I looked after for several months, wasn't he cute?
http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/WALLBUILDER/

He was very lovable and just loved attention and fussing although I always appreciated those parents that asked me if my dog was safe before sending their little toddlers up to pat him

Originally posted by Cyclone
The idea is that you push in as it's already trying to get a nice large chunk of (your arm preferably, much less sensitive and delicate than hand). The combination makes it want to spit you back out.
This is a tactic that works when you have a child biting on your arm as well.. (I've done a lot of work in the USA with violent children)... The gag reflex results in the jaws loosening or even letting go... Doesn't always work but if nothing else it's the last thing any dog is going to expect.

Crowefan - have you seen the dog and/or owner again? I go through Hillsborough Park quite regularly and I've not seen it.

no I have not seen the woman with the akita, just the bloke with his ( it looks like an old one)

I hope she has read all what has been written about her and that monster she has bred....

I continue to look for her but to be honest I try not to go to the park all that much and prefer to walk my two dogs along the pavements.its safer.

be carefull, it has attacked finlay twice and both times came out of the blue..
I shall have no hesitation in following the moman if I see her and report her to the police

akita,s are/were bred to hunt and fight bears, some of you are talking of getting them on their back? rather you than me,they use their front paws in the same way a bear does,to knock you into a fatal bite position,plus you have 12 or more stones of muscle to contend with as well as the fangs,keep away from the bugger

Our beagle snaps at an approximate rate of 4 chomps per second. I'm sure this Akita is capable of a similar rate, so good luck to any numpty who tries ramming something down it's throat. No cherfin' chance.....

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
on another note i have heard if you look at cats and close ur eyes slowly, it shows trust to cats?!
Cats prefer not to be stared at as it makes them nervous, the exception being if a cat/human they know well, slowly double blinks at them it is the same as a friendly hello. But from strangers any eye contact is unwelcome.

As for this uncontrolled dog. I would suggest instead of shouting at the 'owner'... she needs to be given some business cards for dog behaviourists, it sounds like she has no idea how to control this dog and she need educating on this matter.

I know Hallam Vet Clinic on Holme Lane have business cards for several dog behaviourists. (highly recommended vets btw)

Originally posted by depoix
akita,s are/were bred to hunt and fight bears, some of you are talking of getting them on their back? rather you than me,they use their front paws in the same way a bear does,to knock you into a fatal bite position,plus you have 12 or more stones of muscle to contend with as well as the fangs,keep away from the bugger

If they were bred to hunt bears how do you suggest we out run one?.

Originally posted by depoix
akita,s are/were bred to hunt and fight bears, some of you are talking of getting them on their back? rather you than me,they use their front paws in the same way a bear does,to knock you into a fatal bite position,plus you have 12 or more stones of muscle to contend with as well as the fangs,keep away from the bugger

85 - 130 lbs is the weight range for male akita.

if it weighs 12 stone, laugh, it's so fat it won't be able to catch you.

Can't find any stats about bite speeds, but 4 times per second. I'd be surprised.

Originally posted by Cyclone
85 - 130 lbs is the weight range for male akita.

if it weighs 12 stone, laugh, it's so fat it won't be able to catch you..

Maybe it could just be a very LARGE Akita! Probably not though 12 stone does sound a bit suspicious. On the Woodthorpe estate is an Akita called Leo and he is big, he has a growl that is felt rather than heard and I've only experienced this when standing at his garden gate chatting to his owner whilst he guarded the half of a cow he'd got to eat.
Just trying to picture an Akita going to a dog training class, that'd be interesting!! A full grown Akita particularily the male is not the most responsive dog when it comes to commands which is why they need to be owned by experienced people. The look of disdainful disgust on Akira's face when I insisted he do something that he didn't want to or didn't see the point of, I can laugh about it nowadays but at the time....?

I walk in the park all time only Akita Ive seen has been quite docile but when I was younger I was attacked by a doberman, I punched and kicked and eventually poked my fingers in its eyes. Thats what saved me from being scared. Didnt give the dog a chance!

I am not trying to defend the Akita in question as obviously this animal as serious issues,
As what i consider to be a good and responsible Akita owner i would just like to point
out that the Akita is the latest “devil” dog and as been for the past couple of years.
Can we please all remember that not so long ago the Rottweiler was the bad dog of the time
and before that the Doberman, German Shepherd, as i have stated the dog in question “does”
want dealing with and also its owner,but can we please not attack the breed for the sake of
a bad specimens thank you for listening

Originally posted by asgarth
I am not trying to defend the Akita in question as obviously this animal as serious issues,
As what i consider to be a good and responsible Akita owner i would just like to point
out that the Akita is the latest “devil” dog and as been for the past couple of years.
Can we please all remember that not so long ago the Rottweiler was the bad dog of the time
and before that the Doberman, German Shepherd, as i have stated the dog in question “does”
want dealing with and also its owner,but can we please not attack the breed for the sake of
a bad specimens thank you for listening

Too true!

Different breeds have different characteristics. Ours (a young Doberman bitch) for example could at first sight seem intimidating. However, if she is with one of us and is happy that we are happy then of course, she is happy.

If a dogs behaviour could be construed to be threatening (even when it isn't ) then it is up to the handler to try to make sure that the situation doesn't arise, or is properly controlled.

There is no substitute for training, but of course different dogs of different ages and different maturity behave in different ways. That doesn't make them either dangerous dogs or breeds.

We get back to that old argument that it is the owner not the dog.

Originally posted by Cyclone
85 - 130 lbs is the weight range for male akita.

if it weighs 12 stone, laugh, it's so fat it won't be able to catch you.

Is it one of these (http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/breeds/Alaskan_Malamute.htm) then?

Originally posted by Strix
Is it one of these (http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/breeds/Alaskan_Malamute.htm) then?

that's not an akita :confused: :confused:

This (http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/breeds/Japanese_Akita.htm) is an Akita.

Originally posted by Cyclone
that's not an akita :confused: :confused:

I know. I was asking if it was a malamute if it is considerably larger than an akita, which you suggested :confused:

Akita............

Wasn't that an ABBA song?

Originally posted by Strix
I know. I was asking if it was a malamute if it is considerably larger than an akita, which you suggested :confused:

Oh I see. Well I guess it all depends on which website you check.

See here (http://www.pgaa.com/canine/general/akita.html).