To me this is madness. No logic whatsoever.

You have a street with one lane of traffic each way.

The council decide to build the pavement out to entirely block one side of the road and then put give way lines on the remaining lane.

This then causes a bottleneck at busy times.

An example of this is Albert Terrace Road/Oxford Street.

If they want to effectively slow down traffic why don't they use speed bumps which actually work? At least the traffic keeps flowing this way.

I am aware that speed bumps can hamper emergency vehicles.

To me this is madness. No logic whatsoever.

You have a street with one lane of traffic each way.

The council decide to build the pavement out to entirely block one side of the road and then put give way lines on the remaining lane.

This then causes a bottleneck at busy times.

An example of this is Albert Terrace Road/Oxford Street.

If they want to effectively slow down traffic why don't they use speed bumps which actually work? At least the traffic keeps flowing this way.

I am aware that speed bumps can hamper emergency vehicles.

Youve probably answered your own question there.
Saying that ive never understood the logic of the council, in any department so your not on your own there:)

you need to realise that common sense is never allowed to cloud the thinking of any government dept either local or national!

And for icing on the cake they stick a bus stop right in the middle of it all.

Those are there to reduce the vast number of accidents caused by the entrance/ exit to Tesco's.

The junction of Albert Terrance Road / Infirmary Rd is one way, either straight across Infirmary Road down to Penistone Rd, or left onto Infirmary Road.

Before the alterations, people would turn left out of Tesco's (then Safeways) onto Albert Terrance Road and have a head on collision with those cars switching to the right to go down to Penistone Rd.

It all makes sense really.

K.

A lot of the problems there would be reduced by stopping cars rat-running through Tesco car park.

A lot of the problems there would be reduced by stopping cars rat-running through Tesco car park.

Why do people insist on calling legitimate, taxed, tested and insured motorists, rat runners. Surely roads are for driving on, no matter where they are.

And for icing on the cake they stick a bus stop right in the middle of it all.

Just like the one on southey green road. The council have filled in the lay by and 10 yards further on brought the road out and put a bus stop there so we have hold ups.

You now have 2 choices when there is a bus there, wait or attempt to overtake and take your life in your hands?

Logic?:loopy: There is none.

Why do people insist on calling legitimate, taxed, tested and insured motorists, rat runners. Surely roads are for driving on, no matter where they are.

Absolutely spot on, was just thinking the same thing recently.

Those are there to reduce the vast number of accidents caused by the entrance/ exit to Tesco's.

The junction of Albert Terrance Road / Infirmary Rd is one way, either straight across Infirmary Road down to Penistone Rd, or left onto Infirmary Road.

Before the alterations, people would turn left out of Tesco's (then Safeways) onto Albert Terrance Road and have a head on collision with those cars switching to the right to go down to Penistone Rd.

It all makes sense really.

K.

Sorry karl101 but I have to disagree. It doesn't make sense to me.

You quote 'vast numbers' of accidents here yet there's no evidence (statistics) to prove this is an accident blackspot.

The Tesco junction is no more dangerous than other junctions and the road above the Tesco exit is two way.

Speed bumps would have done the same job while keeping the traffic moving.

Why do people insist on calling legitimate, taxed, tested and insured motorists, rat runners. Surely roads are for driving on, no matter where they are.

Use of the privately owned car park is for customers use only and has a recommended speed limit of 5mph. Many cars rat-run through it without being a customer and at speeds dangerously in excess of the owner's speed recommendation.
Public roads are for driving on. Private car parks aren't.

A lot of the problems there would be reduced by stopping cars rat-running through Tesco car park.

I like to call them shortcuts, information that comes with local knowledge.

I like to call them shortcuts, information that comes with local knowledge.

Yes, shortcuts which stop you waiting in traffic with your engine running, causing emissions.
I'm all for shortcuts, and by the way I don't use Tesco car park as a road, I was just asking why drivers get called rat runners when driving on roads, within the speed limit, that may make their jouney shorter.

Sorry karl101 but I have to disagree. It doesn't make sense to me.

You quote 'vast numbers' of accidents here yet there's no evidence (statistics) to prove this is an accident blackspot.

The Tesco junction is no more dangerous than other junctions and the road above the Tesco exit is two way.

Speed bumps would have done the same job while keeping the traffic moving.

Oddly enough, I can't be bothered to find the statistics. Having witnessed a number of accidents as I described, I can only assume there were quite a few more of the like before the junction was upgraded.

As you can see from Google Earth, in an image taken before the upgrade: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=upperthorpe,+sheffield&ie=UTF8&ll=53.390594,-1.484021&spn=0.000835,0.002218&t=k&z=19&om=1
The road markings are clearly trying to keep people coming down the hill to Infirmary Rd to the left. As these were unsuccessful, additional measures had to be taken.

Speed bumps would not of kept the traffic to the left.

Coming down Oxford Street it is a naturally fast road, steep downhill and relatively straight. There are, however, a number of busy junctions, such as Shipton Street, Upperthorpe Road crossroads and the Tesco's exit where cars have to be slowed down for the basic necessity of reducing accidents.

K.

For somethin really daft as far as roads go you only have to look at the town centre and Eyre Street and the continuation on to arundel gate. Too many traffic lights and pedestrian crossing and also a pavement nearly as wide as the actual rd in parts. This is a main road into the city and the person who designed that scheme obviously needs a working brain. Though its not surprising as its Sheffield and the council are anti car.

I thought the whole point of these schemes was to gridlock the city thus gving the council the perfect excuse to bring in congestion charges...not that they need an excuse :rolleyes:

For somethin really daft as far as roads go you only have to look at the town centre and Eyre Street and the continuation on to arundel gate. Too many traffic lights and pedestrian crossing and also a pavement nearly as wide as the actual rd in parts. This is a main road into the city and the person who designed that scheme obviously needs a working brain. Though its not surprising as its Sheffield and the council are anti car.


I think the improvements along there are fantastic. What makes you despise pedestrians so much? They're humans, you know.

I thought the whole point of these schemes was to gridlock the city thus gving the council the perfect excuse to bring in congestion charges...not that they need an excuse

Brilliant idea, it can't come too soon. :)

It's not the council's fault - it's the highways. IfI had a car i would sue them for damages to the vehicle.

To me this is madness. No logic whatsoever.

You have a street with one lane of traffic each way.

The council decide to build the pavement out to entirely block one side of the road and then put give way lines on the remaining lane.

This then causes a bottleneck at busy times.

An example of this is Albert Terrace Road/Oxford Street.

If they want to effectively slow down traffic why don't they use speed bumps which actually work? At least the traffic keeps flowing this way.

I am aware that speed bumps can hamper emergency vehicles.

pay per mile is the goal,slow traffic all over the country to a near standstill then bring in pay per mile then reverse all the conjestion causing measures and bleat pay per mile is working,everybodys happy!! arnt they?

We are all going to hell in a handcart.