View Full Version : Is the BBC getting too big for its boots? HM The Queen and Annie Leibowitz.
The BBC release footage that appears to show HM The Queen throwing a strop during a photographic session with renowned photographer Annie Leibowitz.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6294472.stm
"In a later joint statement, the BBC and production company RDF Media said the film had been edited out of sequence and supplied to the corporation in error."
Now, looking at it and hearing the BBC's explanation, and also having done some media work myself, I cannot believe that it's possible to 'accidentally' edit footage in such a way that portrays what happened 'backwards', as is stated in the BBC story.
Seems to me that either some editors made a 'joke tape' that was accidentally released, or that tape was deliberately made 'creatively' to garner attention for the programme.
To me this indicates either gross incompetence or gross misjudgement.
So - is the BBC getting 'too big for it's boots' or is it just incompetent. Either way....it's our money.
Regardless it looks like someone messed up big style.. What I want to know though is, did the Queen chuck a hissy fit or didn't she? Teh news reports give conflicting views of it.
Actually thinking about it I doubt she did, HM The Queen is from teh "prim and proper" generation, chucking a hissy fit wasn't done, not in public anyway, in her day.
StarSparkle 12-07-2007, 22:41 The BBC release footage that appears to show HM The Queen throwing a strop during a photographic session with renowned photographer Annie Leibowitz.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6294472.stm
"In a later joint statement, the BBC and production company RDF Media said the film had been edited out of sequence and supplied to the corporation in error."
Now, looking at it and hearing the BBC's explanation, and also having done some media work myself, I cannot believe that it's possible to 'accidentally' edit footage in such a way that portrays what happened 'backwards', as is stated in the BBC story.
Seems to me that either some editors made a 'joke tape' that was accidentally released, or that tape was deliberately made 'creatively' to garner attention for the programme.
To me this indicates either gross incompetence or gross misjudgement.
So - is the BBC getting 'too big for it's boots' or is it just incompetent. Either way....it's our money.
The BBC, along with other media organizations, have definitely got 'too big for their boots'. Overall, the media in this country seems to think it's above the law nowadays, and the rules don't apply to them. TV producers give the impression of thinking that they can get away with anything, that no-one has the right to interfere with their creative 'integrity'.
StarSparkle
Yep ! There gettin to big for there boots
yep [see my other posts] bbc-mafia -kray type subscription,for what? [top gear excepted]
p.s.my m8 at the beeb [nod wink-know wot i mean] said what actually happend was,the queen was auditioning for a walk on part in eastenders [reopening the queen vic] & was in awe of babs windsor to such a point she forgot herself & bowed to peggy mitchell[slower readers/non eastebders viewers-the landlady in said soap]well as if!.the footage in question was filmed on a mobile phone by a bystander who the queens advisors [MI6] would really like to speak to, stay tuned.
slimsid2000 13-07-2007, 13:41 One of the funniest things I have seen for a good while. The Queen really went off on one when this photographer woman asked her to remove her crown (only an American could fail to see the symbolism of such a thing).
:hihi::hihi::hihi:
One of the funniest things I have seen for a good while. The Queen really went off on one when this photographer woman asked her to remove her crown (only an American could fail to see the symbolism of such a thing).
:hihi::hihi::hihi:
Have you got a link, Sid? I've heard about this and I'd love to see it!
slimsid2000 13-07-2007, 13:46 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6896892.stm
And the BBC have admitted it's a balls up.
See the thread in Entertainment. :)
And the BBC have admitted it's a balls up.
See the thread in Entertainment. :)
I was going to say, I thought the beeb had apologised for the misunderstanding.
One of the funniest things I have seen for a good while. The Queen really went off on one when this photographer woman asked her to remove her crown (only an American could fail to see the symbolism of such a thing).
:hihi::hihi::hihi:
Only a Brit would post two day old news :D
Only a Brit would post two day old news :D
Not just any Brit:hihi::hihi:
Bomberman 13-07-2007, 14:47 Please someone fix the title! I know it's pedantry but it drives me mad!
Agent Orange 13-07-2007, 14:50 Keep up slimsid... this has already been on news that the Beeb messed up and made more of it than there was.
shoeshine 13-07-2007, 15:31 Yesterday when the entirely false story was broadcast on the BBC News, H.M The Queen was at Ypres, attending a Remembrance Service for those who died during the Battle of Paschendale in July 1917...90 years ago this month....at which more than 300,000 British and Commonwealth soldiers died.
from Telegraph Online todayThe memory of Britain's Great War dead lived on through the voices of their great-great-grandchildren as the Queen marked the 90th anniversary of the Battle of Passchendaele with ceremonies in Ypres, Belgium, yesterday.
Pashendale 90th. Anniversary Remembrance (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/13/nbeeb513.xml)
H.M The Queen has uncomplainingly dedicated 55 years of her life to the service of this Nation, and deserves better than wild, unchecked stories being inflicted on her reputation by an organisation like the taxpayer-funded British Broadcasting Corporation.
The BBC employee ultimately responsible for this drivel should be sacked without notice or pay forthwith.
JFKvsNixon 13-07-2007, 15:59 I think that fact that the BBC has appologised, and has also talked about their failings on BBC channels and programs shows the strength of the BBC. This mistake could have happened to any broadcaster, and the fact that it was an outside contractor confirms this. I cannot see many commercial broadcasters giving so much time discussing their own mistakes.
Maybe the problem is that because of cost cutting measures too many programs are being made outside the BBC?
Anyone considered that the original version of the story might have been the truth and that the BBC was "pressured" into making a retraction. I'm trying to recall the clip of film showing the Queen leaving, sorry going into, the photoshoot - did she not look in a good mood?
Phanerothyme 14-07-2007, 00:52 Anyone considered that the original version of the story might have been the truth and that the BBC was "pressured" into making a retraction. I'm trying to recall the clip of film showing the Queen leaving, sorry going into, the photoshoot - did she not look in a good mood?
It's not even the Queen, it's clearly a double. So the BBC enters the viral marketing arena with aplomb; they're really getting it now.
northernboy 14-07-2007, 06:32 Frankly, I couldn't care less if the Queen was offended or not, it's hardly "news" is it? There are far more important things to worry about!!
rubydazzler 14-07-2007, 06:45 I think we all forget that the Queen is an old lady now, into her 80s. Imagine your average granny putting up with what she puts up with? :o
The 'comics' on 8 of 10 cats were being really disrespectful of her last night, imagine how they'd react if it was their mother being talked about like that? I'm not saying this because she's the Queen but because she's a respectable, very elderly lady now and deserves better imo.
Frankly, I couldn't care less if the Queen was offended or not, it's hardly "news" is it? There are far more important things to worry about!!
The main issue is the behaviour of the BBC.
Look at this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/07/putting_things_in_order.html
Again, a sequence edited together with key events in the wrong order - this time involving the PM and an independent film maker.
When you get little deep analytical news but are fed soundbites, if those soundites are 'tweaked' then that is editorial involvement that is well beyond the realms of acceptability.
The BBC needs to get it's act together and start enforcing standards on all who make programme material that is used by the Beeb.
cgksheff 14-07-2007, 08:44 "No such thing as bad publicity"
Look at all the free advertising they have created for the show!
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