Just seen the link below and was totally shocked by what I just read. My heart felt sympathy goes out to the families of those who were murdered in cold blood.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4081073.stm

Thanks for the news. Very sad indeed, I was a fan of Pantera in the early 90's. Very sad that others got caught up in this as well.

Thank goodness for gun control in this country!

outrageous really and heartbreaking - some people are sick

Yes, heartbreaking for Dimebag and his brothers families, bandmembers and Pantera/Damageplan fans.

Given that the Governor ofColumbus/Ohio caved in and signed the Concealed Weapons bill earlier this year its hardly surprising that something like this happens.

Constitutional right to bear arms my ass - what about everyone elses constitutional rights to walk around/go to concerts etc without fearing being shot! Bad enough that it's legal for anyone/everyone in America to own a gun for protection - but to make it legal to conceal a weapon - thats got to be asking for trouble!!

Happened on Dec 8th as well. The 24th anniversary of John Lennon's murder.
24 years - I remember it like it was yesterday :(

this is so sad i always thought he was the one who stood out in pantera

R.I.P DUDE

One of the best metal guitarists, and one of the main reasons I wanted to be a guitarist. So, so wrong. :(

Tragic though this incident is, I can't help wondering if it's not a case of the thrash metal pigeons finally coming home to roost (if you'll forgive the clumsy metaphor).

For years bands like Pantera have got away with some of the most puerile, hate-filled, violence-inducing, angry lyrics imaginable. We all know it's just a macho facade aimed at the lucrative 'angry' alpha male/teenage boy market and don't take it too seriously. But in America it was only a matter of time before some disenfranchised nutter decided to practice exactly what the thrash bands preach. It's been happening for years in the rap world after all.

It's rumoured that the killer blamed Dimebag for "splitting up Pantera" and therefore decided to kill him. Well, in America that's a good enough reason as any, I suppose.

Originally posted by mojoworking
Tragic though this incident is, I can't help wondering if it's not a case of the thrash metal pigeons finally coming home to roost (if you'll forgive the clumsy metaphor).

For years bands like Pantera have got away with some of the most puerile, hate-filled, violence-inducing, angry lyrics imaginable. We all know it's just a macho facade aimed at the lucrative 'angry' alpha male/teenage boy market and don't take it too seriously. But in America it was only a matter of time before some disenfranchised nutter decided to practice exactly what the thrash bands preach. It's been happening for years in the rap world after all.

It's rumoured that the killer blamed Dimebag for "splitting up Pantera" and therefore decided to kill him. Well, in America that's a good enough reason as any, I suppose.

Im sorry but thats like saying its to be expected if someone decides to try and kill an actor who stars in a violent film. Its nothing to do with the music, whether it be rap, metal, folk or whatever, its to do with some nutter who has lost the plot, living in a country with ridiculous gun laws. Its to do with a state with completely idiotic ideas concerning concealed guns. Its basically to do with people who have lost their grasp on reality, and other losing sight of that and thinking they can blame it on music. This was an adult that shot an innocent, unarmed man.

And by the way, many thanks for joining me with the "'angry' alpha male/teenage boy market". Personally, I love metal, although at 28, working as a lawyer, I hardly think I fit in that category. Please dont generalise like that. You would be particularly happy if I started generalising about you would you?

At a Superjoint Ritual gig also in Ohio, Phil Anselmo (ex-Pantera frontman) said (in relation to Dimebag and Vinnie) 'you know what you do with fat ***** from Texas, you kill em and bury em'.

It doesn't take a great leap of anyones imagination to put that statement made in Ohio together with the murders of Dimebag and Pat Lachman in Ohio shortly after.

Seeing as the gunman was shot and killed at the scene, its unlikely we will find out 'why' he felt the need to take these lives (other than he was obviously a little unhinged).

A sad, sad, day.

Originally posted by Mooseyb
Im sorry but thats like saying its to be expected if someone decides to try and kill an actor who stars in a violent film. Its nothing to do with the music, whether it be rap, metal, folk or whatever, its to do with some nutter who has lost the plot, living in a country with ridiculous gun laws. Its to do with a state with completely idiotic ideas concerning concealed guns. Its basically to do with people who have lost their grasp on reality, and other losing sight of that and thinking they can blame it on music. This was an adult that shot an innocent, unarmed man.

And by the way, many thanks for joining me with the "'angry' alpha male/teenage boy market". Personally, I love metal, although at 28, working as a lawyer, I hardly think I fit in that category. Please dont generalise like that. You would be particularly happy if I started generalising about you would you?

If you read my post again, that's exactly what I said:

"We all know it's just a macho facade"

and

"it was only a matter of time before some disenfranchised nutter decided to practice exactly what the thrash bands preach"

How much clearer do you want it?

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Mojoworking I would kindly ask you to refrain from making such sick and innapropriate comments. To some of us Dimebag Darrell was the equivalent of Jimi Hendrix. He was voted the best guitarist in America so many times, they had to ban him from the competition! I will miss his work greatly.

I think your cheap comments show you have little or no idea who is was, what his records were about or who listened to them.

How would you have liked it if, say, Diana had just died (again) and everyone started saying "well she had it coming really cos she was famous"?

Originally posted by Agent Dan
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Mojoworking I would kindly ask you to refrain from making such sick and innapropriate comments. To some of us Dimebag Darrell was the equivalent of Jimi Hendrix. He was voted the best guitarist in America so many times, they had to ban him from the competition! I will miss his work greatly.

I think your cheap comments show you have little or no idea who is was, what his records were about or who listened to them.

How would you have liked it if, say, Diana had just died (again) and everyone started saying "well she had it coming really cos she was famous"?

Of course I know who he was. I have a couple of Pantera CDs myself and quite enjoy them. I wasn't putting Dimebag down personally at all. I actually enjoy the early albums and recognise his ability as a guitarist.

I never said he "had it coming" either. I was simply questioning if the violent lyrics used by the thrash bands in general might have an adverse effect on some of the more unhinged fans, especially in America. Is that fair comment, or is it not allowed in your world?

As for the Diana comparison. Why bring her into it? I'm really confused by that.

Originally posted by mojoworking
I never said he "had it coming" either

Erm... if this comment below doesn't mean 'had it coming' then please explain what the hell you did mean???

Originally posted by mojoworking
"it was only a matter of time before some disenfranchised nutter decided to practice exactly what the thrash bands preach"
How much clearer do you want it?

You see? How can I not read that as 'had it coming' you practically write the words!!!

Originally posted by mojoworking
I was simply questioning if the violent lyrics used by the thrash bands in general might have an adverse effect on some of the more unhinged fans, especially in America. Is that fair comment, or is it not allowed in your world?

That's like suggesting that it's ok to jump off a cliff if someone tells you to, 'in my world'. If a record told you to go out and mug a granny, would you??? You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I think suggesting that maybe it was to be expected is insensitive so soon after the event.

Originally posted by mojoworking
As for the Diana comparison. Why bring her into it? I'm really confused by that.

By focusing on Diana, which was just an example of a much-liked famous person, you've missed the point of the sentence. I was trying to demonstrate how important one 'heavy metal guitarist' can be to some people, albeit using an extreme example.

Amazed as I am to be supporting Mojoworking here, but I think you are making way too much of what he said... and I don't think the 'you practically wrote it' thing would really hold up in court would it.

Let’s not spoil a thread about the sad demise of a fellow human with an idiotic and childish argument. Just be glad you weren't there, and feel sorry for the people, and their families, who were involved. Now please stop making an argument out of nothing and let it go.

I'm entitled to emotional outbursts about things I feel strongly over. That's what this forum is for - who made you a mod?

Man, just found out about this! What a shame and I have just really been getting into Pantera again. I have a friend from Columbus who is a big Pantera fan, I haven't heard from him yet I just hope he wasn't there to witness that.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
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Mojoworking I would kindly ask you to refrain from making such sick and innapropriate comments. To some of us Dimebag Darrell was the equivalent of Jimi Hendrix. He was voted the best guitarist in America so many times, they had to ban him from the competition! I will miss his work greatly.


Not denying he was a good guitarist but you can't compare him to Hendrix. Unless your a total metal head really... all goes down to your musical taste.

Originally posted by IanMitchell
Not denying he was a good guitarist but you can't compare him to Hendrix. Unless your a total metal head really... all goes down to your musical taste.

thats the point, it is down to taste, and for some he was idolised as was (and is) most music heros. personally i loved hendrix, but since he died before i was born i cant really feel affected by his death. I happen to be a huge dimebag darrell fan, and i felt completely crushed by the news. For someone who pretty much loved everything about teh guy from his talent to his personality, it affected me. dimebag was one of my(and the majority of rock or metal acts seem to say the same) biggest influences in guitars, with a unique style and approach to modern metal (which was sometimes all the same, dull andstiff) but he brought a new feel and groove to it, which you hear in many modern songs.
i think there will defiantely be a large gap left in modern metal, which defiantely would not have been the same had pantera not happened

As someone who has been into thrash from it's very early days I find this to be very sad news indeed, he really was one of the most original rock guitarists ever, his sound was completely unique and extremely influential.

I find Mojoworkings' comments pretty distasteful at such a sad time for the metal fraternity.

Thought I'd post this link, some very fine words said by some very fine people about the big guy...

www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?Mode=Archive&Date=12/9/2004