just found this story...don't know if any1 has posted already...

TERRIFIED residents on a Sheffield estate plagued by violent young trouble-makers today pleaded with the city council: "Help us before somebody dies".
One tenant on the Danewood Gardens area of Lower Manor spoke of a catalogue of damage, intimidation and threats which had reduced the "once beautiful" streets to a no-go area for those living there.

One tenant said he once caught kids stealing lead from the top of his porch - while he and his wife were sitting in their house.

If you bring a car down here, within two minutes your car will be smashed up or they will have taken everything out of it.

The only way to get them sorted is to get them evicted, but the council says it takes a lot to shift them. We asked for cameras here, but they said they were too expensive."
There was even talk of vigilantes being hired to take direct action against troublesome teens. "Someone wanted to pay £2,000 to get someone in to 'sort it out'"

full story - http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=900893

i dont exactly know where lower manor is...but i go up city road on bus a lot...i guess its near there?

sounds well dodgy!

o plz thats hipe i live on the manor. yea it aint the best of places but i think the people at the star overeacting a bit lol

The only way to get them sorted is to get them evicted, but the council says it takes a lot to shift them. We asked for cameras here, but they said they were too expensive."
There was even talk of vigilantes being hired to take direct action against troublesome teens. "Someone wanted to pay £2,000 to get someone in to 'sort it out'"
vigilantes do work I' ve seen them used near the south side of chicago in the 70's and brazilian citys,if you can get used to seeing young corpses in the gutter monday morning ,its the way to go.

"You hear pensioners shouting for help, but what can we do? I've lived here 21 years and it used to be beautiful. Now everybody wants to move and get off the estate.
"It is still nice when the kids aren't out. But they sleep all day and come out all night. We don't want to see anything happen to the old 'uns."


How come these people have no problem telling The Star everything but won't phone the police ?

Perhaps the police should go undercover as Star reporters.

The Manor area has had alot of money and resources put into action over the last twenty years to combat these youth problems.

It is apparent that the plans put in place so far are not working. A change of tactics is required as the normal waiting it out ethos hasn't worked.

More needs to be done, a harder approach maybe, or a more caring community which sees the old people respected and cared for by the younger generation.

The area seems very split with young people and old people and no one in the middle to put their foot down.

to those pouring scorn on this feature in the star...dont be so thoughtless..if there wasnt a problem then the people who lived there wouldnt report it would they/ What have they got to gain from it? They obviously have no confidence in the police, which I can understand, and have nowhere to go but the local paper. Old people should be kept seperate from young "families" (i use the term family loosley in most cases)... problem families should be moved together in the same area so they can abuse each other..and dont tell me that its hard to judge who are and arnt problem families. There should be a curfew of 9-10 pm for kids under 16 in areas where juvenile delinquency is rife such as the Manor..lets face it its always been a bit dodgy but I know people who live up there who reinforce the validity of this report.

I think we have lost the battle against anti social behaviour due to a very poor standard of law enforcement which does not give the perpetrator any concerns about spending some time in her majesty's pleasure...what happened to borstals?

I know that there are going to be a lot of people who find my views abhorrent but then it's years of fiddle faddling around the whole Human Rights rubbish thats led to this increasingly anarchic society

I had to work in the Danewood area the other week and the place just needs a bulldozer running right through it.

Its near the Lildle shop at the bottom of the Prince of Wales Rd.

The place has been taken over by young kids and these house's which were once quite nice are now getting ruined. The parents of these kids should be locked up for what they are letting them do.

While on the estate a while back someone tried to rob me and after going there a fortnight ago and seeing two vehicles damaged within thirty minutes, we are seriously thinking wether or not we want to work on there again.

Bomb the place, I say.

Originally posted by deadgobby
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MTheo
The only way to get them sorted is to get them evicted, but the council says it takes a lot to shift them. We asked for cameras here, but they said they were too expensive."
There was even talk of vigilantes being hired to take direct action against troublesome teens. "Someone wanted to pay £2,000 to get someone in to 'sort it out'"
vigilantes do work I' ve seen them used near the south side of chicago in the 70's and brazilian citys,if you can get used to seeing young corpses in the gutter monday morning ,its the way to go.

Lets do it . It may even bring the price of pork down!
Ya can't educate it, so eat it!

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Lets do it . It may even bring the price of pork down!
Ya can't educate it, so eat it! the bottom line is punishment, rehab dosn't work ! i remember in the 60 's when u got done for gbh they sent u to armley jail leeds for 6 months...i don't know what they did to them there but they came back looking like they'ed been to a horro show.... they thought twice before they kicked somebodys head in for abit of[ saturday nights alright for fighting]... after that + make them pay compensation to the victims if no money turn them into slaves and close the stupid prisons down. waste of tax payers money...just uni's to serve an apprentership in crime.

Originally posted by bean55788
o plz thats hipe i live on the manor. yea it aint the best of places but i think the people at the star overeacting a bit lol

everyone no's that the manor is full of trouble-makers .

Don't tar everyone with the same brush please. I live in the manor area with my partner and 2 small children, we are definately not trouble makers! I am getting quite upset about ignorant peoples comments, the people I know from this area are decent people!

Does anyone know whether Danewood Gardens still has a bad reputation as i have a friend that has been offered a house around there. Just want to get some info before she decides...Thanks

Last summer we had problems with gangs of kids hanging around the streets in High Green.

The police came but couldn't do anything as the kids weren't actually causing any trouble, but it was worrying for everyone.

Does anyone know whether Danewood Gardens still has a bad reputation as i have a friend that has been offered a house around there. Just want to get some info before she decides...Thanks

Is she able to go and take a look before she decides, maybe at different times of the day?

everyone no's that the manor is full of trouble-makers .

Craig that is not true and you know it there are good & bad where ever you go same as there is in Dronfield.

I think we have lost the battle against anti social behaviour due to a very poor standard of law enforcement which does not give the perpetrator any concerns about spending some time in her majesty's pleasure...what happened to borstals?
I know that there are going to be a lot of people who find my views abhorrent but then it's years of fiddle faddling around the whole Human Rights rubbish thats led to this increasingly anarchic society

Agreed. I say bring back a zero tolerance system and take any necessary force required. The Law is an ass in the UK, total waste of time. If you have a problem like this then you have to deal with it yourself ........or get others to do it for you

I had to work in the Danewood area the other week and the place just needs a bulldozer running right through it.

Its near the Lildle shop at the bottom of the Prince of Wales Rd.

The place has been taken over by young kids and these house's which were once quite nice are now getting ruined. The parents of these kids should be locked up for what they are letting them do.

While on the estate a while back someone tried to rob me and after going there a fortnight ago and seeing two vehicles damaged within thirty minutes, we are seriously thinking wether or not we want to work on there again.

Bomb the place, I say.That was also where the young girl was sexually assaulted about 2 weeks ago.

Just around the corner from there, my ex father in laws car had its tyres slashed - he saw the young scrote a few nights later and chased him off the street.

If the scrote is on the street now and sees him, he runs like hell (just proves they are cowards when they are on their own)

There was even talk of vigilantes being hired to take direct action against troublesome teens. "Someone wanted to pay £2,000 to get someone in to 'sort it out'"

How would anyone know that these £2,000 "vigilantes" aren't in league with the "troublesome teens", paying them to cause trouble and then paying them to stop causing trouble when the victims get desperate enough to offer someone a large lump sum to solve their problem?

According to the dictionary on my computer a vigilante is "a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate" and I would expect vigilantes to provide that service for free, not in exchange for money. If they want money for protecting someone from violence doesn't that make them part of a form of protection racket?

According to the dictionary on my computer a vigilante is "a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate" and I would expect vigilantes to provide that service for free, not in exchange for money.

Quite frankly I am very surprised this is not happening EN MASSE throughout the UK.....

Welcome to apathetic Britain!

Does anyone know whether Danewood Gardens still has a bad reputation as i have a friend that has been offered a house around there. Just want to get some info before she decides...Thanks

I would rather live in a leaky tent, in a field, under a power line, next to a nuclear power station adjacent to a motorway. :|

just found this story...don't know if any1 has posted already...
>snipped<

full story - http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=900893

i dont exactly know where lower manor is...but i go up city road on bus a lot...i guess its near there?

sounds well dodgy!

If that's really in today's Star I'll be amazed. :huh: The named manager retired nearly 2 years ago... :confused:

just found this story...don't know if any1 has posted already...

TERRIFIED residents on a Sheffield estate plagued by violent young trouble-makers today pleaded with the city council: "Help us before somebody dies".
One tenant on the Danewood Gardens area of Lower Manor spoke of a catalogue of damage, intimidation and threats which had reduced the "once beautiful" streets to a no-go area for those living there.

One tenant said he once caught kids stealing lead from the top of his porch - while he and his wife were sitting in their house.

If you bring a car down here, within two minutes your car will be smashed up or they will have taken everything out of it.

The only way to get them sorted is to get them evicted, but the council says it takes a lot to shift them. We asked for cameras here, but they said they were too expensive."
There was even talk of vigilantes being hired to take direct action against troublesome teens. "Someone wanted to pay £2,000 to get someone in to 'sort it out'"

full story - http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=900893

i dont exactly know where lower manor is...but i go up city road on bus a lot...i guess its near there?

sounds well dodgy!

Things have gotten really bad there. The latest craze amongst these yobs is called "git surfing". It involves hijacking pedestrians and running them around at terrifying leg speeds. All too often the "git" is one of their own mothers. Another trick is to catapult them into a shop and force them to steal booze, fags and mags.

These yobs have also been "bursting" shops by filling them with rice and then pouring in water. They then stand back and laugh as the bricks are ripped apart by the swelling food.

:o:o:o:o

If that's really in today's Star I'll be amazed. :huh: The named manager retired nearly 2 years ago... :confused:

Original post is 2004, i just brought it back to the top to ask if area was still the same....:)

The Manor area has had alot of money and resources put into action over the last twenty years to combat these youth problems.

It is apparent that the plans put in place so far are not working. A change of tactics is required as the normal waiting it out ethos hasn't worked.

More needs to be done, a harder approach maybe, or a more caring community which sees the old people respected and cared for by the younger generation.

The area seems very split with young people and old people and no one in the middle to put their foot down.

The people in the middle are the parents of the young people. That's obvious.

Don't tar everyone with the same brush please. I live in the manor area with my partner and 2 small children, we are definately not trouble makers! I am getting quite upset about ignorant peoples comments, the people I know from this area are decent people!

I agree, there IS some good people on the Manor,i have a couple of mates who live there. The thing is, the Danewood area has a really bad reputation and really bad layout, i.e, lots of gennels,woods etc. It's been quoted before that the planning of the area is really bad. Worked there 3 years ago and had to have someone watch my vehicle while i popped into a customers house! My friend works for the council and they have to go in pairs if visiting the area. Small boys thinking they BIG men as they say.....

Yup that's about right. I worked on Danewood a couple of years ago and we always had to go in twos. Dodgy estate!

One time when I worked on Saxonlea (just up the road on the same estate) I had a gang of kids run past me as I went into a house trying to get into my van. When I shouted at them to 'F'-off and got my phone out to call the police I got a brick thrown at me. Luckily it missed. :roll: This was about between about 10am-11am so they obviously weren't in school but it's a known rule among our lads that you definately need to have done your jobs and be out of the area by the time the school does finish or you'll have no van/car left. Little gits!

Small boys thinking they BIG men as they say..... Usually because there's about 7-8 of them. How brave. :roll: Funny how they become small boys again when they're on their own. Clip round the ear and hard kick up the arse!

If its not happening on Gordon Browns turf or the Muppet's that stood b4 him then they don't give a S**T.

Thankyou all!!! i take it its not really an area you would want to live in then...:)

the bottom line is punishment, rehab dosn't work ! i remember in the 60 's when u got done for gbh they sent u to armley jail leeds for 6 months...i don't know what they did to them there but they came back looking like they'ed been to a horro show.... they thought twice before they kicked somebodys head in for abit of[ saturday nights alright for fighting]... after that + make them pay compensation to the victims if no money turn them into slaves and close the stupid prisons down. waste of tax payers money...just uni's to serve an apprentership in crime.

couldent agree more

when i was in my yunger days i got sent to glen parvor young offenders

trust me if you ever seing the film called s.c.u.m. well times it by 10 that was enouth to put me back into line. i not proud of this but it tought me a few fast lessons in live

boot camp all the way id say

What The Hell You Living On The Manor For Its Full Of Chavs And Scrubbs, Its The Worst Place In England How Do You People Live Like That Your All To Blame Its How You Bring Your Kids Up,

For some folks they have little option but to live there if they can only get a council house and it's all they're offered. I doubt it's a matter of choice and even if it is for some why shouldn't they be able to live there peacefully without fear of their windows being put through, property being damaged or family threatened?

I agree it can be due to irresponsible parents but not always. I completely agree that borstals are the way forward too.

And as a final note....Why The Capital Letter At The Beginning Of Every Word And Not A Comma Or Full Stop In Sight? :suspect:

What The Hell You Living On The Manor For Its Full Of Chavs And Scrubbs, Its The Worst Place In England How Do You People Live Like That Your All To Blame Its How You Bring Your Kids Up,exactly farmboy,there is a lot of nice places and people on the manor, this rock1980 is obvously a steryotypical fool.
and that could be spelt wrong lol

Things have gotten really bad there. The latest craze amongst these yobs is called "git surfing". It involves hijacking pedestrians and running them around at terrifying leg speeds. All too often the "git" is one of their own mothers. Another trick is to catapult them into a shop and force them to steal booze, fags and mags.

These yobs have also been "bursting" shops by filling them with rice and then pouring in water. They then stand back and laugh as the bricks are ripped apart by the swelling food.

:o:o:o:o

I heard that some youths were caught after a man was caught buggering a heron :hihi:

Thankyou all!!! i take it its not really an area you would want to live in then...:)

Live in Danewood area myself - got no problem with it here. A lot of the problem elements have moved off over past couple of years now that a lot of the houses are SYHA rented as opposed to council. Our little section is a great little area, but I have been told that up towards the Lidl end of the estate can still be a bit rough (we are down next to the wood area between Lower Manor and Woodthorpe). Put it this way, I've lived in far worse areas than here, and am really happy with where we live now. My kids have others of same age around them to play with, and everyone looks out for each other where we are.


To prettygood - hehe. That made me chuckle. I am actually wondering if "bursting" would actually work!

somone said somthing about a curfiew
they dont work
all it does is move a problem from one estate to another were on littledale and we get all the bloody idiots from other estates on ours when curfiews are on ,a while ago ,there was a curfiew and ever since the nutters who spilled over from other estates came to ours and NEVER WENT AWAY
its awfull on here now

One tenant said he once caught kids stealing lead from the top of his porch - while he and his wife were sitting in their house.
!

Happens here from time to time but if they get caught they get a slapping so you don't see it much except in the big cities.
I saw the news yesterday where I bloke had been pinching mobiles from people in the street. He was copped by a bunch of local blokes who beat the crap out of him before handing him to the cops.
He was black and blue but the next thief will think twice.
The cops just ignore his injuries.

Happens here from time to time but if they get caught they get a slapping so you don't see it much except in the big cities.
I saw the news yesterday where I bloke had been pinching mobiles from people in the street. He was copped by a bunch of local blokes who beat the crap out of him before handing him to the cops.
He was black and blue but the next thief will think twice.
The cops just ignore his injuries.

Excellent news!!!!!!

What The Hell You Living On The Manor For Its Full Of Chavs And Scrubbs, Its The Worst Place In England How Do You People Live Like That Your All To Blame Its How You Bring Your Kids Up,

You seen like a reasonable and intelligent individual. Shame you have no idea how to use the English language.

What The Hell You Living On The Manor For Its Full Of Chavs And Scrubbs, Its The Worst Place In England How Do You People Live Like That Your All To Blame Its How You Bring Your Kids Up,

I bring my children up fine thanks. Actually, if my child wrote as bad as you do, not only would I be surprised, I would also be speaking to his teacher to see why he's suddenly forgot the basics of sentence forming.

Have you met everyone from the Manor then? Using your way of thinking, is it ok for me to assume that everyone where you live have bad parents, as yours seem not to have cared enough that you are an idiot to do anything about it?

danewood is not too bad these days just like any other bad council estate.Maybe worse than most. Its the state of the country, people are not born this way, its bred into us make money at work, or if can't do that then steal it. its a different world for some of us.

danewood is not too bad these days just like any other bad council estate.Maybe worse than most. Its the state of the country, people are not born this way, its bred into us make money at work, or if can't do that then steal it. its a different world for some of us.

I was brought up in poverty, never stole or felt the need to steal once. If you want something in life you have to earn it. Where did the attitude of "if I can't do that then steal it" come from. What's stopping you or has stopped you from earning something?

OMG this threads 4 and a half years old!!!!

danewood is not too bad these days just like any other bad council estate.Maybe worse than most. Its the state of the country, people are not born this way, its bred into us make money at work, or if can't do that then steal it. its a different world for some of us.So the question has to be, do you work or steal ?

This thread is 4 1/2 years old.

Is it still like that, worse, or better nowadays?

We asked for cameras here, but they said they were too expensive."


...A likely story.

BTW, I'm surprised that there is still that kind of trouble in the Manor; I thought that they rehoused all the 'problem' families from there around Meersbrook. Maybe they're continually going back up there and hanging around...:mad:

Does anyone know whether Danewood Gardens still has a bad reputation as i have a friend that has been offered a house around there. Just want to get some info before she decides...Thanksshow her this discussion that will help her to decide:rolleyes:

anyone who lives here in danewood gardens and says it isnt ruff here would only be saying that to try and sell their house, if you do live here you know that everytime you hear a bump outside your hearts in your mouth and your looking out to see if everythings ok, i dont think theres many if any people here who havnt had property damaged or stolen at some point and the weeks either side of bombfire night are absolutely horrible, fireworks are used as weapons and the gunpowder is used to make homemade pipebombs which the kids throw at cars and windows, and also a few times put them in the post boxes and caused it to blow the top off. im sorry but if you think its ok here your a liar

If we don't kill them, how will they ever learn?

"BTW, I'm surprised that there is still that kind of trouble in the Manor; I thought that they rehoused all the 'problem' families from there around Meersbrook. Maybe they're continually going back up there and hanging around... "
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This is the problem. Moving "problem" families onto other estates starts the "S whatever number" gangs. Years ago the council moved these families into "decent" neighbourhoods saying they would bring them up to their level, we all know this worked the other way round and caused problems all over Sheffield.
These gangs are just morons who start by intimidating people, when that isn't fun anymore they go on to "bigger and better things."
Most of the parents (and I'm not saying all) don't give a toss, as long as they are out of their way it's ok, and I'm sorry but most of what I have seen, tv, papers etc the "adults are as bad, no morals or respect for other people so the idiots they spawn, and theirs (god forbid) in the future live by the same rules, or should I say "ruleless"
It makes my blood boil to see on tv when a gang member dies, the parents pleading the innocence of their little one, when only after a bit of investigation the majority of the "poor kids" have robbed, mugged, carry weapons and have probably been involved in another killing somewhere across whatever city they live in.
Bring back the 50's style army training, don't molly coddle them as in todays army, give them some stick, and after that (as others have said) use them as cannon fodder in Afgan.

"BTW, I'm surprised that there is still that kind of trouble in the Manor; I thought that they rehoused all the 'problem' families from there around Meersbrook. Maybe they're continually going back up there and hanging around... "
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This is the problem. Moving "problem" families onto other estates starts the "S whatever number" gangs. Years ago the council moved these families into "decent" neighbourhoods saying they would bring them up to their level, we all know this worked the other way round and caused problems all over Sheffield.
These gangs are just morons who start by intimidating people, when that isn't fun anymore they go on to "bigger and better things."
Most of the parents (and I'm not saying all) don't give a toss, as long as they are out of their way it's ok, and I'm sorry but most of what I have seen, tv, papers etc the "adults are as bad, no morals or respect for other people so the idiots they spawn, and theirs (god forbid) in the future live by the same rules, or should I say "ruleless"
It makes my blood boil to see on tv when a gang member dies, the parents pleading the innocence of their little one, when only after a bit of investigation the majority of the "poor kids" have robbed, mugged, carry weapons and have probably been involved in another killing somewhere across whatever city they live in.
Bring back the 50's style army training, don't molly coddle them as in todays army, give them some stick, and after that (as others have said) use them as cannon fodder in Afgan.

Fox hunting with dogs is now banned, so I now see a niche whereby we can entertain the toffs AND purge the streets of these inbred lowlife trash.:thumbsup:

Fox hunting with dogs is now banned, so I now see a niche whereby we can entertain the toffs AND purge the streets of these inbred lowlife trash.
He He. It'll also create jobs, beaters to flush em out.

[QUOTE=Beakerzoid;3513897]Live in Danewood area myself - got no problem with it here. A lot of the problem elements have moved off over past couple of years now that a lot of the houses are SYHA rented as opposed to council. Our little section is a great little area, but I have been told that up towards the Lidl end of the estate can still be a bit rough (we are down next to the wood area between Lower Manor and Woodthorpe). Put it this way, I've lived in far worse areas than here, and am really happy with where we live now. My kids have others of same age around them to play with, and everyone looks out for each other where we are.

This is probably the best and most sensible comment made on here, what a load of crap most of these comments are. I don't live on Danewood but often go up there and although there used to be problems in the past it's nowhere near as bad as it seems to have been painted. I think it's just the Manor knocking bunch again, there are far worse areas to live in Sheffield than the Manor.

just going to get worse

Its a lot better round there now a couple of problem families are dispersed about sheffield, the UK and the prison system.

But by all means, keep the bad rep up as I'm looking for property in the area and i don't want the competition.

Welcome to apathetic Britain!

i Hear That

the best thing to do is build a place thats in the middle of nowhere and shove all the crettings there

How would anyone know that these £2,000 "vigilantes" aren't in league with the "troublesome teens", paying them to cause trouble and then paying them to stop causing trouble when the victims get desperate enough to offer someone a large lump sum to solve their problem?

According to the dictionary on my computer a vigilante is "a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate" and I would expect vigilantes to provide that service for free, not in exchange for money. If they want money for protecting someone from violence doesn't that make them part of a form of protection racket?

I don't think the story meant someone was offering to sort it out for £2000, but one resident contemplated offering that ammount in the hope someone would sort it out for them. Personally I hope there's a decent group of 'hard men' (& women) would take on the challange and sort the toraggs out.

I remember several years back I'd just returned from working abroad and for a short while we lived in an area were the youngsters ruled by intimidation and fear. They decided to attempt to set fire to a car outside mine and a neighbours house, I went exchanged a few words, two of them became extremly lippy, made threats regarding my wife and kids, I gave them a good slap, (not very proud of it). Father turned up made a few threats he got the same to the extent he was stood on the front of my house crying. I felt guilty telephoned the police explained what I did, the police turned up said unless they recieved a complaint they weren't interested and even then there was a way out of it as long as I kept to the story they decided to give me. Top policeman and women.:thumbsup:

My god it is 4yrs old, i was mistaking it for the story in yesterdays star regarding the Norfolk Park --> how slow am I today

My god it is 4yrs old, i was mistaking it for the story in yesterdays star regarding the Norfolk Park --> how slow am I today

:huh: ditto Eddie I have done that also, why can't such old threads be removed?, i've also just been reading a thread about shirgreen that was first posted in 2007 i think and thought it like happened over the weekend, tut waste of little time we have to ponder over very old threads.

just found this story...don't know if any1 has posted already...

TERRIFIED residents on a Sheffield estate plagued by violent young trouble-makers today pleaded with the city council: "Help us before somebody dies".
One tenant on the Danewood Gardens area of Lower Manor spoke of a catalogue of damage, intimidation and threats which had reduced the "once beautiful" streets to a no-go area for those living there.

One tenant said he once caught kids stealing lead from the top of his porch - while he and his wife were sitting in their house.

If you bring a car down here, within two minutes your car will be smashed up or they will have taken everything out of it.

The only way to get them sorted is to get them evicted, but the council says it takes a lot to shift them. We asked for cameras here, but they said they were too expensive."
There was even talk of vigilantes being hired to take direct action against troublesome teens. "Someone wanted to pay £2,000 to get someone in to 'sort it out'"

full story - http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=900893

i dont exactly know where lower manor is...but i go up city road on bus a lot...i guess its near there?

sounds well dodgy!if you have a problem and no-one can help maybe you could hire the a-team if you can find them, minus hannibal who died a few year ago.

He He. It'll also create jobs, beaters to flush em out.

Chav coursing!!!! It could be huge!!!

Meaningless punishments, disaffected families, apathetic residents, human rights issues regarding law enforcement, lack of respect, lack of self esteem, “the world owes me a living” mind set, = places like the Manor (which has been a cess-pit of humanity since the 70s).

It was often thought, as a social experiment, that putting/housing disaffected families into “good areas” would have a positive effect on them, obviously this doesn’t work on the whole, particularly when you place too many of this type of family in such close proximity to each other, they tend to form gangs, cliques etc etc.

What to do? Create meaningful punishment, longer prison sentences with the time you are given being the time you will do. No TVs, no games’ consuls, and worked 12 hours a day on community projects etc.

Until respect for law and order and the law being able to be enforced, respect for others and their property can be restored, we have what we have……..enjoy your liberalism!

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Meaningless punishments, disaffected families, apathetic residents, human rights issues regarding law enforcement, lack of respect, lack of self esteem, “the world owes me a living” mind set, = places like the Manor (which has been a cess-pit of humanity since the 70s).

It was often thought, as a social experiment, that putting/housing disaffected families into “good areas” would have a positive effect on them, obviously this doesn’t work on the whole, particularly when you place too many of this type of family in such close proximity to each other, they tend to form gangs, cliques etc etc.

What to do? Create meaningful punishment, longer prison sentences with the time you are given being the time you will do. No TVs, no games’ consuls, and worked 12 hours a day on community projects etc.

Until respect for law and order and the law being able to be enforced, respect for others and their property can be restored, we have what we have……..enjoy your liberalism!

The Manor was built as a social experiment - it was built away from the city and other existing areas to dump the people others wouldn't want to live next door to, ex cons and what not... It was thought that with their families they'd start to bond into community groups and lift themselves up a bit, didn't work though and the experiment wasn't repeated as far as I know... I know this as one of my mates Granddads was on the commitee that had the notion approved, and worked with the council to get it up and running - apparently this old boy in his youth really believed that new houses, gardens and having a family life would transform these peoples lives...

The Manor was built as a social experiment - it was built away from the city and other existing areas to dump the people others wouldn't want to live next door to, ex cons and what not... It was thought that with their families they'd start to bond into community groups and lift themselves up a bit, didn't work though and the experiment wasn't repeated as far as I know... I know this as one of my mates Granddads was on the commitee that had the notion approved, and worked with the council to get it up and running - apparently this old boy in his youth really believed that new houses, gardens and having a family life would transform these peoples lives...

...And for the last 3 years, the worst of the Manor has now been decamped to Meersbrook..!:o

I'm sure ....