Hi
I am beyond belief that the owls get the crowds they get, passion & crowd swell is in S6! 21,00 AVERAGE for being in the division lower than the swine!, they couldn't fill their sty for a game aginsed Real Madrid!
Bramall Lane is a pigsty & all the excuse is that they win it on the terraces, which shows that they are childish & act like immature halfbreads & are jealous to death, the crowds they get are abismal considering their position. Tonight we'll get nearly 30,000, MIDWEEK, second division!
Wednesday could be in the conference & United in Premier, but they will never be as big, cos they don't get the support, period!
& for all you unitedites, period means forever!! doohhh!

Romario,
Hows it going with the rancid curries! S6 really is the place for you..... Or maybe somewhere more secure if you get my drift.

Originally posted by Romario
Hi
Bramall Lane is a pigsty & all the excuse is that they win it on the terraces, which shows that they are......... 'childish & act like immature halfbreads & are jealous'........... to death, the crowds they get are abismal considering their position.

Oh the irony of it all!:loopy:

And by the way, how did the 'near 30,000' enjoy tonight's thrashing?

Don't forget, a London bus is bigger than a TVR Tuscan, but it ain't better or more desirable!

Originally posted by markham
Oh the irony of it all!:loopy:

And by the way, how did the 'near 30,000' enjoy tonight's thrashing?

Don't forget, a London bus is bigger than a TVR Tuscan, but it ain't better or more desirable!

calm down man:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: lol

I'm calm Panda,....I'm calm :thumbsup:

Still laughing at the irony of it all though mate!

Why is there sooo much hatred between the two sides....

There isn't, .... not amongst the sane ones anyway!

Romario, please find a cloth and wipe the egg from your face.

Wonder how many of tonights 30,000 will be back next week after the mighty Owls are humbled by Hull City.

I'm sane...................and i hate 'em with a passion!

Originally posted by Ronin
Romario, please find a cloth and wipe the egg from your face.

Wonder how many of tonights 30,000 will be back next week after the mighty Owls are humbled by Hull City.

I'm sane...................and i hate 'em with a passion!

hates a bad thing it just makes you all bitter man:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Why is it always left to panda79 to stick up for the lowly owlslies?

Is it that the Sheffield Wendy fans fall at the first hurdle every time they summon up enough brain cells to post a comment about football?.

Didn't start this thread and not bitter at all.

Don't like 'em, never will.............. and remember Grandad Walt's famous words...........

" IF WEDNESDAY PLAYED AT BOTTOM O' GARDEN, I'D SHUT F****ING CURTAINS"

He wasn't being bitter either!

Originally posted by vidster
Why is it always left to panda79 to stick up for the lowly owlslies?

Is it that the Sheffield Wendy fans fall at the first hurdle every time they summon up enough brain cells to post a comment about football?.

im not sticking up for anyone just adding to the thread:)

by the way whos wendy dont think ive seen her on here or have i missed her at some point ?

Originally posted by panda79


by the way whos wendy dont think ive seen her on here or have i missed her at some point ?

Now now panda... We all know who the Wendy are don't we :nod:

i think on the whole both sets of sheffield fans have good posters on sf but theres always one for various reasons can not how you say it do not put it in the right way :loopy: . not having a go at anyone here but look at all threads in the sports section some good stuff been said:)

Terrible result tonight. Sack Sturrock... he has had enough time in charge. Bring in a better manager... I have heard Chris Turner (he was Hartlepool's very successful manager a while back) is available :D

Originally posted by Patchy
Terrible result tonight. Sack Sturrock... he has had enough time in charge. Bring in a better manager... I have heard Chris Turner (he was Hartlepool's very successful manager a while back) is available :D

turners took over oxford united :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Originally posted by panda79
turners took over oxford united :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

I didn't know that! But as he is an Owls fan, surely he would consider the job if he was approached. I wonder who will take over when Sturrock gets sacked.

Originally posted by Patchy
I didn't know that! But as he is an Owls fan, surely he would consider the job if he was approached. I wonder who will take over when Sturrock gets sacked.

dave basset more than likely :suspect: but seriously i reckon that sturrock is the right man for the owls and im hoping the defeat last night was just the curse of the manager of the month award:)

Originally posted by Patchy
Terrible result tonight. Sack Sturrock... he has had enough time in charge. Bring in a better manager... I have heard Chris Turner (he was Hartlepool's very successful manager a while back) is available :D

Hee Hee.

Sturrock at Southampton:

P13 W5 D2 L6

Sturrock at Wendy:

P13 W5 D3 L5

Rupert Lowe = Dave Allen ?

Fans don't win games mate, and im afraid it looks like your bunch of morons over there at that blue and white s**thole don't either.

Your a second division club boyo, get used to it. ;)

At least the Owls can look forward to possibly having Yorkshire derbies with Leeds next season! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Scottandandy
Fans don't win games mate, and im afraid it looks like your bunch of morons over there at that blue and white s**thole don't either.

Your a second division club boyo, get used to it. ;)

Wednesday will never be a second divison club, they may be in the old second division but are way too good to be classed as that.

This is a time in history when the piglets at Bramall sty can actually look down on us, it's the first time in a long time for them so it's something unique. Something they haven't had for a long time and soon ( when the tables turn back in our favour ) something they wont have again for a long time.

Wednesday fans are not chavs like every unitedite you see - tracksuits, acne and fake jewellery. I am glad to know that as a Wednesdayite I have a better standard of life than the beer guzzling, chip-butty eating stigs that visit the Bramall Sty each week.

We here at S6 have far more pedigree and class and shouldn't rise to those lowly scum that think they have a right to take the p*** out of their grander and more brilliant neighbour.

Wednesday will always be greater, the blue and white fans should be proud that they have a wonderful ground, great fans and a history which is second to none.

As for the oink's! we didn't give you permission to grunt, so shut it!

Hope I dont sound bitter:hihi:

Originally posted by Romario
Wednesday could be in the conference & United in Premier, but they will never be as big, cos they don't get the support, period!& for all you unitedites, period means forever!! doohhh!

Actually, period means full stop, and it doesn't make any sense using an exclamation mark after it.

Originally posted by Lestat
Wednesday will never be a second divison club, they may be in the old second division but are way too good to be classed as that.

Actually, they are in the old third division.

lestat. you fell at the first hurdle mate.you are a 2 div club .end of.
as for slagging blades fans ,who's got the problem with racist chanting....

Originally posted by Lestat
Wednesday will never be a second divison club, they may be in the old second division but are way too good to be classed as that.

This is a time in history when the piglets at Bramall sty can actually look down on us, it's the first time in a long time for them so it's something unique. Something they haven't had for a long time and soon ( when the tables turn back in our favour ) something they wont have again for a long time.

Wednesday fans are not chavs like every unitedite you see - tracksuits, acne and fake jewellery. I am glad to know that as a Wednesdayite I have a better standard of life than the beer guzzling, chip-butty eating stigs that visit the Bramall Sty each week.

We here at S6 have far more pedigree and class and shouldn't rise to those lowly scum that think they have a right to take the p*** out of their grander and more brilliant neighbour.

Wednesday will always be greater, the blue and white fans should be proud that they have a wonderful ground, great fans and a history which is second to none.

As for the oink's! we didn't give you permission to grunt, so shut it!

Hope I dont sound bitter:hihi:

First time in a time for United to be looking down on Wendy? - And here was me thinking this would be the fifth consecutive season that United have finished above Wendy. And the 5th consecutive season that we have gone further in both major cup competitions (as a championship club we dont qualify to be able to lose to Chester Reserves in the LD Van Thingy Wotsit).

Wonderful ground - woeful ground due to a lack on investment caused by a £28 million debt and growing.

Pedigree and Class - centre half Guy Branston. No further comment required.

I grew up in the late 70s and early 80s going to school near and with loads of Wendy fans.

The best they can come out with - this is the TWENTY FIFTH anniversary of Boxing Day. Wow. Recent history eh! (and yes, I was at that game!)

So the right to take the p*** out of Wendy Fans? Too right I have the right!! And take the p*** I will

Originally posted by Ronin
Didn't start this thread and not bitter at all.

Don't like 'em, never will.............. and remember Grandad Walt's famous words...........

" IF WEDNESDAY PLAYED AT BOTTOM O' GARDEN, I'D SHUT F****ING CURTAINS"

He wasn't being bitter either!
Thats just a Shankley rip-off

Originally posted by MobileB
First time in a time for United to be looking down on Wendy? - And here was me thinking this would be the fifth consecutive season that United have finished above Wendy. And the 5th consecutive season that we have gone further in both major cup competitions (as a championship club we dont qualify to be able to lose to Chester Reserves in the LD Van Thingy Wotsit).

Wonderful ground - woeful ground due to a lack on investment caused by a £28 million debt and growing.

Pedigree and Class - centre half Guy Branston. No further comment required.

I grew up in the late 70s and early 80s going to school near and with loads of Wendy fans.

The best they can come out with - this is the TWENTY FIFTH anniversary of Boxing Day. Wow. Recent history eh! (and yes, I was at that game!)

So the right to take the p*** out of Wendy Fans? Too right I have the right!! And take the p*** I will

Lestat- re-arrange these words-

Nail
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scott&andythingy, surprised you can actually write and spell, being a united chav I thought they were all uneducated louts.

Originally posted by Lestat
scott&andythingy, surprised you can actually write and spell, being a united chav I thought they were all uneducated louts.

now now, your teams gotten that bad you have to resort to personal insults to try and score points.


about right actually for you lot.

yes, you're right, I apologise for that outburst. What I meant to say was that Sheffield United fans are so intelligent and sophisticated its amazing to see why they are so hated by everyone.

They do not look like chavs, more chavs look like them.

Bramall Sty is.a.very.nice.ground and in no way resembles a vegetable patch.

All United fans do not have spots or acne or any yellow puss filled boils on any part of their bodies, especially their faces.

United fans do not live 15 to one council house and think they are 'reyt ard!'


Bramall Sty fans always wear their shirts and not only when their team is winning, this goes for their constantly high gates too.

Please accept my apologies, SUFC is a wonderful addition to such a pleasant part of Sheffield.

:hihi: :heyhey:

See- i knew you would come round :D :D

Lestat, your ongoing refusal to accept that Sheffield Wednesday are now a third-division club in a dire predicament, and continued repetitive bile against United and their fanbase is, quite frankly, pathetic.

I enjoy banter between fans but the points you raise (again and again and again) lack any real substance.

And wednesday, like every football club in the uk, have more than their fair share of chavs. Trust me, I know a few of them.

Not only do I enjoy taking the mickey out of United and it's fans but the sad fact of it all is that sometimes the p***taking is not p***taking but actually true.

Why SUFC fans cannot understand that Wednesday are bigger and better is beyond me, it is there in black and white, or should I say blue and white. It's not exactly a subtle fact is it really?

define how wednesday is currently bigger than united without using A) your attendance or B) the ground.

Bigger? Ok, your fanbase is larger, and you have won more than united in the PAST. There are plenty of examples of clubs who historically have faired well in the league and cups who no longer enjoy former glories. Deal with it.

Better? Please... You've consistently placed lower than united since you were relegated from the premiership. You're now in a lower division, and not exactly setting it on fire are you?

And how am I to answer the question when you wont allow me to use the answer?

anyhow, more famous nationally and internationally, better known for having greater players and managers, success in cups and leagues, outselling piggies with everything from shirts, clocks, mugs to tie pins! thats why we have Owls stores all over Sheffield. . .

Originally posted by Lestat
And how am I to answer the question when you wont allow me to use the answer?

anyhow, more famous nationally and internationally, better known for having greater players and managers, success in cups and leagues, outselling piggies with everything from shirts, clocks, mugs to tie pins! thats why we have Owls stores all over Sheffield. . .

anyone else hear the constant moan of "we USED to" "we USED to"

flip the page and get with 2004 please!!!

Originally posted by Lestat
anyhow, more famous nationally and internationally, better known for having greater players and managers, success in cups and leagues,

In the past.

And all those shops are doing you a fat load of good aren't they? How much does your debt amount to now? £26million?

Originally posted by Lestat
anyhow, more famous nationally and internationally, better known for having greater players and managers, success in cups and leagues, outselling piggies with everything from shirts, clocks, mugs to tie pins! thats why we have Owls stores all over Sheffield. . .

better known??
but i just thought you was better?

can i just ask....is wednesdays training ground moving to westfield school??? whats happening with old grounds?? i heard its gonna be an ASDA.
PS i know someone who isnt from sheffield but moved here, he chose to support united for the bad boy image - pathetic really

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
can i just ask....is wednesdays training ground moving to westfield school??? whats happening with old grounds?? i heard its gonna be an ASDA.


apparently some housing investors was loking in to buying the land, but it seems they may not make that much money off it so might be backing out

they are trying to sell it to pay off some of the clubs crippleing debts- too little too late im afraid.

:P wow, look at all the oink's! . . . that must be the Bramall sty capacity crowd argueing with me on here!:P

I answer your question and you turn it around, why dont you just admit that Wednesday is the bigger, better team. It's S.I.M.P.L.E.

By the way, all this has given me a new idea for a SUFC Xmas song - abit like the Frog chorus except it's the Pig Chorus called 'We all grunt together!'

Originally posted by Lestat

I answer your question and you turn it around, why dont you just admit that Wednesday is the bigger, better team. It's S.I.M.P.L.E.


im just wondering why you are beter?

I know it must be hard to use it but will you PLEASE try and use your brain before you type, its like talking with a 6 year old.


btw-26 million debt- oh dear ;)

Originally posted by Lestat
scott&andythingy, surprised you can actually write and spell, being a united chav I thought they were all uneducated louts.

You'll not have read Romario's initial post then, will you!

Oh, and by the way, my oldest lad is a Wendsdayite.......and he's got spots.

Originally posted by Scottandandy
I know it must be hard to use it but will you PLEASE try and use your brain before you type, its like talking with a 6 year old.


btw-26 million debt- oh dear ;)


Sorry oh great one! I was only talking like a baby in order for you to understand me. :rolleyes:

btw-unattractive team-oh dear;)

Originally posted by markham

Oh, and by the way, my oldest lad is a Wendsdayite.......and he's got spots.

Are you a Unitedite? . . . poor kids got it in his blood then:D

Originally posted by Lestat
I answer your question and you turn it around, why dont you just admit that Wednesday is the bigger, better team. It's S.I.M.P.L.E.


You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Can I just ask how old you are?

Sorry, I don't give out personal info to gypo's.:rolleyes:

hang on- i say your 26 million in debt and the best you can come back with is that you think our players are ugly!!

oh dear- sorry mate im not that way inclined but its ok if you are- no worries, could this be the reason you sdon't like the blades- cos you don't fancy any of them?? bless.

btw- how old are you- seriously!!

unattractive, as in:- cannot play football on the ground, very bad to watch, hurts ones neck after a game.

You may want to think of the gay options but I do not.;)

I'll have a stab and say 13.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
I'll have a stab

What a united fan having a stab! never heard of such a thing! ha ha ha! :hihi:

Originally posted by Scottandandy


btw- how old are you- seriously!!

Lestat's response will be:
" Why don't you just admit that we are bigger and better than you".

This is the only response he knows i'm afraid! :hihi:

Can't this be settled by private message please!?!?!?!

I'm getting sick of reading it!

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If only United got as many of you armchair fans at the grounds on matchdays as they do on here they'd be rubbing their little trotters together!:hihi:

Actually, I think 12 would be about right.

calm down lads alll this cos the owls lost one game get a grip:)

I thought Gypo's were good at being all psychic so why cant you guess? forgot your crystal ball eh? . . then again you're a united fan so you always lost your ball!:hihi:

Armchair fan? Until I started my current job 3 months ago I didn't miss ANY home games for 5 years, and did my best to get to as many away games as possible. I still go whenever I can get the time off.

I think this thread should be closed off. It's obvious Lestat isn't going to provide us with an educated or intelligent argument.

Agreed.

MODS.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
I think this thread should be closed off. It's obvious Lestat isn't going to provide us with an educated or intelligent argument.

None of you have done so far cause it's about football.

There's hatred between the two sides which makes football a bad game, none of you can make a constructed argument cause there is no answer to the question of who is better!

It isn't black and white it's red and blue!

How can I give you an educated and intelligent answer when all you do is brush it off and start on something different. I have made some good and valid points, it's just because you are from the other side that you dont see it from my point of view.

btw - when was the last time you went to a match?

United v Wolves was the last match I went to.

Originally posted by IanMitchell

There's hatred between the two sides which makes football a bad game,

this is what makes football


Originally posted by Lestat
How can I give you an educated and intelligent answer when all you do is brush it off and start on something different. I have made some good and valid points, it's just because you are from the other side that you dont see it from my point of view.

btw - when was the last time you went to a match?


none of your points have been nor valid, you cant accept what has happened to your club!!

last time went to game............. 27th november

Ok Gypo, you may be a unitedite but you've got to admit that Wednesday - out of both teams in the city - is the bigger. Basically through attendances and fans.
Also do you agree that most of the united fans are chavs?:D just kidding! dont get angry again!

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
none of your points have been nor valid, you cant accept what has happened to your club!!


How can you say none of my points have been good or valid!?:confused: I bet I could find 20,000+ people who would agree with me! ;)

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
this is what makes football


Not is isn't

The hatred between sides leads to more fouls which means less play and sportsmanship.

And here's me thinking that the league tables are for indicating which team is better than the others:o

i.e. Those teams above you are better,.......and those below you are worse.

Trust the Unitedites to get it all wrong. Silly us:loopy:

By the way Lestat, there are 2 Wednesdayites, 2 Unitedites, and a Rotherham supporter in our house and being of intelligent and mature bearing we discuss the teams sensibly through banter. We even admit it when OUR team is doing badly.

There must be more than a few Wednesdayites reading all this drivel and cringing with embarrassment. If you were (God forbid) a Unitedite I'd be begging you to belt up for the sake of the team's good name by now.

I should think people like Panda79 are cringing right now.

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
this is what makes football

Sad isn't it Ian, these are the kinds of neighbours we have to put up with. :loopy:

Originally posted by IanMitchell
Not is isn't

The hatred between sides leads to more fouls which means less play and sportsmanship.

the less sportmanship comes from the desire to win at any cost!!

if there was not hatred between teams, ie wendy and united then crowds would dwindle, players would take less interest cause they would not get paid as much, and there would be less entertainment value

Originally posted by markham
And here's me thinking that the league tables are for indicating which team is better than the others:o

i.e. Those teams above you are better,.......and those below you are worse.


So, Manchester United are below Arsenal . . please tell me Markham who is better?

Wait, what about Chelsea above Arsenal . . who is better?

Originally posted by Lestat
Sad isn't it Ian, these are the kinds of neighbours we have to put up with. :loopy:

Sorry to say this mate but we're just as bad.

BOTH teams are equally as bad as each other!

Originally posted by Lestat
Ok Gypo, you may be a unitedite but you've got to admit that Wednesday - out of both teams in the city - is the bigger. Basically through attendances and fans.
Also do you agree that most of the united fans are chavs?:D just kidding! dont get angry again!


I have never disputed that Sheffield Wednesday have a bigger fanbase, bigger ground and higher attendence than Sheffield United. Wednesday have also won more trophies and spent more time in the top divisions.

However, I think there are more things to consider if you are to determine which is currently the bigger club.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible when I say this; United are in a higher league, have a better team of players, have a manager with a great promotion record and are financially better off.

This could all change in the future. Football has a cruel way of turning everything on it's head, especially with the amount of money involved in todays game.

Just out of interest, do you consider wednesday to be bigger than say, Wigan? They have lower attendances than both united and wednesday but are more financially sound, higher placed in the league and have a manager who has taken a team to the premiership before.

Originally posted by Lestat
So, Manchester United are below Arsenal . . please tell me Markham who is better?

Wait, what about Chelsea above Arsenal . . who is better?

when the end of season arrives, if chelsea are above arsenal/man utd they will be better

Originally posted by Lestat
So, Manchester United are below Arsenal . . please tell me Markham who is better?

Wait, what about Chelsea above Arsenal . . who is better?


I would say both Arsenal and Chelsea are better placed to win trophies than Man Utd. Arsenal have looked incredible for a couple of years now, and Chelsea also look unstoppable at the moment.

This is not to say I consider Man Utd to be a poor team.

Originally posted by Lestat
So, Manchester United are below Arsenal . . please tell me Markham who is better?

Wait, what about Chelsea above Arsenal . . who is better?

Er.......at this moment in time, Chelsea are better that Arsenal, and Arsenal are better than Man Utd, and Man Utd are better than Swindon and Swindon are better than Accrington Stanley.

Man Utd might have been better than Arsenal at some time in the past, and may be again in the future, but at this time, and according to league placings, Arsenal are better than ManUtd.

I typed slowly as you probably have difficulty reading fast as well!

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
I have never disputed that Sheffield Wednesday have a bigger fanbase, bigger ground and higher attendence than Sheffield United. Wednesday have also won more trophies and spent more time in the top divisions.

THANK YOU!:clap: :clap: THATS ALL IT TOOK!

As for the question about Wigan, No I dont think they are a bigger club. I know money is a major part in today's game but you have to look at other aspects of the club as well. Like the opportunities to attract good players, a board that actually cares about the clubs interests and not it's own pockets.

They may be financially sound at the moment but they must prepare for the higher leagues if they are to do well, alot of teams have gone up and then once they got relegated have not been able to get a secure foothold on the spending they were used to and also the lost revenue soon catches up with a team.

Originally posted by markham
Er.......at this moment in time, Chelsea are better that Arsenal, and Arsenal are better than Man Utd, and Man Utd are better than Swindon and Swindon are better than Accrington Stanley.

Man Utd might have been better than Arsenal at some time in the past, and may be again in the future, but at this time, and according to league placings, Arsenal are better than ManUtd.

I typed slowly as you probably have difficulty reading fast as well!

tell me, does your snout get in the way of your trotters when typing?

Originally posted by Lestat
THANK YOU!:clap: :clap: THATS ALL IT TOOK!


now can we have your explanation why wendy are better?

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
now can we have your explanation why wendy are better?

Why do you call wednesday wendy?!?!?! :loopy:

Originally posted by Lestat
tell me, does your snout get in the way of your trotters when typing?

Intelligent words indeed:loopy:

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
now can we have your explanation why wendy are better?

Just in case you've took no notice of the entire thread!:gag:

Wednesday obviously play much more attractive football because they get bigger crowds, bigger crowds mean more people prefer watching Wednesday to United and therefore they must be better at football otherwise we'd have less crowds than the piggies! :clap:

Originally posted by markham
Intelligent words indeed:loopy:

Almost as intelligent as assuming that Im a slow reader when you dont even know me.:|

Originally posted by Lestat
tell me, does your snout get in the way of your trotters when typing?
This is an extract from a document from the Sheffield Local History Society, which can be viewed at Sheffield's Central Library.

"The Wednesday football club was formed on 4th September 1867. The football club first played its games at the Olive Grove Sports Ground in Heeley before moving to a new stadium in the Owlerton district of Sheffield.
The first Ordnance Survey maps (1850's) mark a building close to where the stadium now stands as 'Swine Cottage'. They also show another farm on Penistone Road, south of where the North Stand is situated, which was also believed to be a large piggery. Pork farming is thought to have been practised in the area since the early 1800's, and did not cease until around 1900 when the city's rapid expansion put an end to livestock production in the area. At its height the "Owlerton Piggery," as it was known, provided work for some 50 employees.
Initial discussions about a nickname began soon after the Wednesday arrived at Owlerton. In reference to their new home, most club officials were in favour of "The Owls." However, another suggestion was also popular. In view of the area's strong tradition of pork farming, a popular grass-roots alternative was "The Pigs."
Although the name "Owls" prevailed, many working class supporters continued to refer to their team as "t'pigs." A popular song of the time "They may be t'Owls to some, (but they'll always be pigs to me)" was performed in music halls across South Yorkshire. As late as the 1920's, fans used to welcome their team onto the field with the characteristic grunting sound we still associate with the club. This peculiarity was once referred to by BBC commentator Edward Milburn, who famously described Hillsborough as a "sea of grunts" moments after The Wednesday won the First Division title in 1932.

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
This is an extract from a document from the Sheffield Local History Society, which can be viewed at Sheffield's Central Library.

"The Wednesday football club was formed on 4th September 1867. The football club first played its games at the Olive Grove Sports Ground in Heeley before moving to a new stadium in the Owlerton district of Sheffield.
The first Ordnance Survey maps (1850's) mark a building close to where the stadium now stands as 'Swine Cottage'. They also show another farm on Penistone Road, south of where the North Stand is situated, which was also believed to be a large piggery. Pork farming is thought to have been practised in the area since the early 1800's, and did not cease until around 1900 when the city's rapid expansion put an end to livestock production in the area. At its height the "Owlerton Piggery," as it was known, provided work for some 50 employees.
Initial discussions about a nickname began soon after the Wednesday arrived at Owlerton. In reference to their new home, most club officials were in favour of "The Owls." However, another suggestion was also popular. In view of the area's strong tradition of pork farming, a popular grass-roots alternative was "The Pigs."
Although the name "Owls" prevailed, many working class supporters continued to refer to their team as "t'pigs." A popular song of the time "They may be t'Owls to some, (but they'll always be pigs to me)" was performed in music halls across South Yorkshire. As late as the 1920's, fans used to welcome their team onto the field with the characteristic grunting sound we still associate with the club. This peculiarity was once referred to by BBC commentator Edward Milburn, who famously described Hillsborough as a "sea of grunts" moments after The Wednesday won the First Division title in 1932.

Lucky that pig farming moved to the other side of Sheffield then isn't it! well, not that lucky really . . .

Originally posted by Lestat
Just in case you've took no notice of the entire thread!:gag:

Wednesday obviously play much more attractive football because they get bigger crowds, bigger crowds mean more people prefer watching Wednesday to United and therefore they must be better at football otherwise we'd have less crowds than the piggies! :clap:

Wednesday play attractive football?
when was last time you went to a game?? if at all!

if you base crowds on attractive footbal, what about the amount arsenal got in under George Graham?

Why then if wednesday play beter football than united do sky put on more united games than wednesday??

No disrespect to all you piggies of Bramall lane, but I've won my arguement - I've made a United fan tell the forum that Wednesday ARE the bigger & better club in sheffield and thats all it needed.

SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY ARE THE BEST!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by Lestat
No disrespect to all you piggies of Bramall lane, but I've won my arguement - I've made a United fan tell the forum that Wednesday ARE the bigger & better club in sheffield and thats all it needed.

SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY ARE THE BEST!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

i dont recal anybody stating wendy are better apart from you!

you may have had somebody state you get bigger crowds/better past!!

but thats it

i wish someone on here would tell me who this wendy is its been on my mind all day:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Originally posted by Lestat
unattractive, as in:- cannot play football on the ground, very bad to watch, hurts ones neck after a game.


Hee hee. You obviously don't watch your beloved Fowls then do you!! Or understand Sturrocks brand of "football". Or by reading your incredibly childish drivel thats gone before, understand football full stop.

Your boys are a pretty poor side, hence your playing your second consecutive season in what is the old Third Division. Since you keep harping on about the past, the last time the team from S2 played two consecutive seasons in that division was in 1984.

So please, explain, as you've beeen asked four times (to my count) and never answered, why your club is bigger? The only thing that seems bigger to me is its £28 million debt.

Hated 'em yesterday but wasn't bitter.

Been reading wendy's replies and oh dear me, i've just realised why i hate them so much and it's making me bitter.

It's in the blood. Can't do anything about it.

Sorry if this offends the more sensitive amongst you but its fact. If you don't understand then you just don't get it............

just heard hull took 7000 fans!!
so 28000 there in total, makes 21,000 wendy fans!

this was a "big" game! one that would of effectively made there season!!

its a further setback at home,
just like united keep having setbacks at home!!!
sheffield is no longer a place that is hard to come to

I think most Wednesdayites claim their club is bigger is due to our more colurful and illustrated history. It is fair to say that we have had the more success 20years ago as we were in the Premiership, winning big matches but it is amazing how things can turn so quickly.
When we were in the Premiership, Danny Wilson decided to make us lose loadsa money by buying "better" players who only got us relegated and then we lost loadsa money on them which is one of the main reasons we are £20million in debt.
One of our players in the squad is still on a really high wage packet and he hasn't played all season, he is crap and is on an appearance fee but Allen still will not see sense and release the *******.

The Premiership did'nt exist 20 years ago!!

Originally posted by Lestat
Almost as intelligent as assuming that Im a slow reader when you dont even know me.:|

You mean like assuming that all Blades are spotty, tracksuit-wearing chavs whose snouts get in the way of their typing. But then I suppose you've met, and know us all.

I'll be the first to admit that the Owls are a better followed club, and that the ground is bigger. So yes, you get a lot more people turning up to a bigger ground...granted. That's not in dispute!

But what all those people who turn up, spend a fortune and cheer on is in fact a worse team than the Blades have. So, as football is based on the actual match and result, it follows that the size of the ground and the number of people there doesn't count.

It's no good owning a Rolls Royce with a knackered engine and no wheels, and watching some bloke in a Lada go sailing past and thinking, 'Ha, ha...Look at that poxy Lada, at least I've got a Rolls.'

eh! enough of calling united players ugly! not that it has anything to do with the quality of football but how can you call jagielka ugly?

yeas wendys have bigger crowds but so what? it doesnt mean your any better than us! infact ur quite a lot worse!

Hope you're female SuPeRbLaDe after that comment about Jags, otherwise you'll have given some on here more ammunition to chuck at us:(

yes im female!!!!!!!!!!

Just heard on the news that Wednesday are thinking of signing three new black players.

One will be doubling up as youth coach and is expected to play with the kids on occasion.......M. Jackson I think he's called.

One is the new No.1 goalie called R. Charles, and the third is a defender called S. Wonder.

Sturrock reckons that Charles and Wonder should see the team to the play offs, and Jackson - when not playing for the first team - will familiarise the youngsters with things like 'dribbling', 'holding their own' in a confined space, and 'handling an opponent's tackle'.

About as funny as watching united. :hihi: very!

Why thanks Lestat, I bow to your compliments.........It was a compliment wasn't it?:suspect:

Q: Why does Warnock keep visiting Argos?

A: Because that's the only way he can pick up any Premier points!


A little boy took his parents to court because he did not want to live with them anymore. The honored judge said to him "So why don't you want to live with your dad?"
"Because he beats me" said the little boy.
"Why don't you want to live with your mum then?" asked the judge.
Because she beats me aswell.
"Oh" said the judge "Well who would you like to live with then?"
The little boy replied" I would like to live with Sheffield United, because they don't beat anyone!!"


Q: What's the difference between a blade and a supermarket trolley?

A: The trolley has a mind of it's own. :hihi: :hihi:

Very good,:hihi: :thumbsup:

Now that's what I call banter......the way it should be.

Which reminds me, have they managed to sell all those yo-yos in the Owls shop yet? You know, the faulty ones that go down ok, but take ages to come back up!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by markham
Just heard on the news that Wednesday are thinking of signing three new black players.

One will be doubling up as youth coach and is expected to play with the kids on occasion.......M. Jackson I think he's called.

One is the new No.1 goalie called R. Charles, and the third is a defender called S. Wonder.

Sturrock reckons that Charles and Wonder should see the team to the play offs, and Jackson - when not playing for the first team - will familiarise the youngsters with things like 'dribbling', 'holding their own' in a confined space, and 'handling an opponent's tackle'.

schamore mo fo:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Come on, it wasn't that bad. :(

Originally posted by Lestat
Wednesday obviously play much more attractive football because they get bigger crowds, bigger crowds mean more people prefer watching Wednesday to United and therefore they must be better at football otherwise we'd have less crowds than the piggies! :clap:

Is this some kind of a joke?

Originally posted by Lestat
No disrespect to all you piggies of Bramall lane, but I've won my arguement - I've made a United fan tell the forum that Wednesday ARE the bigger & better club in sheffield and thats all it needed.

SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY ARE THE BEST!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

No, you didn't make a united fan tell the forum that wednesday are bigger or better.

You twist peoples words and are very selective in your editing.

Perhaps you could work for the bbc.

Its pretty obvious that we are dealing with a very immature boy who can't admit facts about his team when there put infront of his face plain and simple. we all used to do it when we were 12 or 13.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
No, you didn't make a united fan tell the forum that wednesday are bigger or better.

You twist peoples words and are very selective in your editing.

Perhaps you could work for the bbc.

Can you please show me where I have twisted any words and edited selectively please??:confused:

I win because I got a unitedite to tell the forum that Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger and better club. That was my initial objective, I succeeded! Goodnight y'all!:clap: :hihi:

Originally posted by Lestat
Can you please show me where I have twisted any words and edited selectively please??:confused:

I win because I got a unitedite to tell the forum that Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger and better club. That was my initial objective, I succeeded! Goodnight y'all!:clap: :hihi:

but its the way you said those things what have got uniteds fans backs up lestat im all for healthy banter but some of the stuff you where coming out with yesterday was just plain silly:(

All posts a clear for all to see. None have been removed or edited.

None of the posts in this thread have any united fans "telling the forum sheffield wednesday are a bigger and better club".

You haven't "succeded" in anything. It's probably for the best you leave it at that, your narrow-minded attitude must be pretty embarassing for other wednesday fans.

That's the last I'm going to add to this thread (sigh of relief).

Originally posted by panda79
im all for healthy banter but some of the stuff you where coming out with yesterday was just plain silly:(


a wednesday fan with some sense??

sure your not just a united fan in disguise?

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
a wednesday fan with some sense??

sure your not just a united fan in disguise?

lol nooo but i must admit when i was younger i actually had a united season ticket for a few years so i could guarntee a seat for the blades v owls game:) :) :)

mmm
, i'v read all the post s & not replied due to time & work!, but if all the facts were put to an independent, un-biased person, nonetheless Owls fan (just stating FACTS) person, they would obviously say that Wednesday are the bigger club, by a huge length, in the city!

Currently, United are doing better, (even though they have inferior ground & crowd swell), they are not attracting the fanbase that Wednesday would be if roles were reversed. But as Wednesday get 28.000 for a game againsed Hull & 22.000 AVERAGE, for all games, It's Fact & even a pig could understand this! Would the swine get these crowds if they were as bad as us!
Even Worldwide, we have greater fanbase!

Man Utd aren't the best supported team in Manchester, anywhere within 50 miles square of Manchester.

Wednesday have played in Europe, experienced games againsed the then current German champs, "Kaiserslautern" experienced 2 unsuccessfull cup final results, yes 2, in 1 season. 1 is a fluke, 2 no!, a great team that was.
The fluke was that the swine were involved!

Truth & statistical facts is that Wednesday are more supportive.
United fans are chavs that wear silly burberry caps & go around pretending to be hooligans & thats what they do! Maybe primary school is where they should be!
All those piggys that do that are little boys who need help!
Poor little piggy!

Originally posted by Romario
Currently, United are doing better, (even though they have inferior ground & crowd swell), they are not attracting the fanbase that Wednesday would be if roles were reversed. But as Wednesday get 28.000 for a game againsed Hull & 22.000 AVERAGE, for all games, It's Fact & even a pig could understand this! Would the swine get these crowds if they were as bad as us!
Even Worldwide, we have greater fanbase!

2 unsuccessfull cup final results, yes 2, in 1 season. 1 is a fluke, 2 no!, a great team that was.
The fluke was that the swine were involved!


nobody is denying weds have a bigger fanbase! that has never been a factor, what some people was trying to say was that they was better than shefield united, they may have BEEN better previously, but as it stands it is no longer the case!

as for the 2 unsuccesfulcup final results, i beg to differ that it was not a fluke, you look back at boro who did such a feat but got relegated in the same season!! does not show a quality of a team,
we got to 2 semis in one season, this was another fluke!

Originally posted by Romario
Truth & statistical facts is that Wednesday are more supportive.
United fans are chavs that wear silly burberry caps & go around pretending to be hooligans & thats what they do!


And wednesday don't have any chav fans or ever have any trouble with hooligans at all do they?

Here's some other facts.
Both teams are in lower divisions struggling to get out of them.
Both teams have idiotic supporters who think they're real hooligans by wearing crap clothes.
Both teams have a dump of a ground.
Both teams can't attract decent investment
Both teams have never achieved anything of note to rock the football world throughout their history (cup semi finals and finals mean sod all when you don't win them)
Both teams have players which would be incapable of keeping them in a higher division (should that ever happen).


So in fact you have lot more in common than you think apart from the city of origin.

Wibbles: Here's some other facts.
Both teams are in lower divisions struggling to get out of them.

Wibbles: one is in league one one is championship, and they are not struggling to get out, weds did very well to get out od what is now the chamionship :D

Both teams have idiotic supporters who think they're real hooligans by wearing crap clothes.

Wibbles: i can see the point about idiot supporters, but where are the crap clothes? you may not agree that they are "nice" clothes, but they cost a lot of money

Wibbles: Both teams have a dump of a ground.

Sure your in sheffield?

Wibbles: Both teams can't attract decent investment

another strange point, i remember when wednesday came from top league they had the best paying sponsor outside the top flight


Wibbles: Both teams have never achieved anything of note to rock the football world throughout their history (cup semi finals and finals mean sod all when you don't win them)

we have both won a few cup finals and leagues (albeit not many)


Wibbles: Both teams have players which would be incapable of keeping them in a higher division (should that ever happen).

i think you may be talking about wednesday here

Originally posted by Billy_Bass
Wibbles: Here's some other facts.
Both teams are in lower divisions struggling to get out of them.

Wibbles: one is in league one one is championship, and they are not struggling to get out, weds did very well to get out od what is now the chamionship :D

Both teams have idiotic supporters who think they're real hooligans by wearing crap clothes.

Wibbles: i can see the point about idiot supporters, but where are the crap clothes? you may not agree that they are "nice" clothes, but they cost a lot of money

Wibbles: Both teams have a dump of a ground.

Sure your in sheffield?

Wibbles: Both teams can't attract decent investment

another strange point, i remember when wednesday came from top league they had the best paying sponsor outside the top flight


Wibbles: Both teams have never achieved anything of note to rock the football world throughout their history (cup semi finals and finals mean sod all when you don't win them)

we have both won a few cup finals and leagues (albeit not many)


Wibbles: Both teams have players which would be incapable of keeping them in a higher division (should that ever happen).

i think you may be talking about wednesday here

I'm talking about NOW not way back when.
United have been trying to get out of Division 2 (sorry..the Championship) for a very long time and haven't succeeded as Wednesday have done the same in Division 3 (sorry again..League 1)

I am in Sheffield and I see the state of both grounds on a regular basis and they are both a dump.

I'm not disputing both teams have won some minor trophies but like I say not exactly footballing history is it.

With regards to the players..I am talking about both.

By the way..just because the clothes are expensive doesn't make then good. Ask anyone if they'd be seen dead wearing a burberry cap, Stone Island jacket and Rockport shoes combo.

Both our grounds are in a state, lets face it. Bramall Lane isn't exactly huge, and we wouldn't fill it even if it was. Hillsborough is bigger but falling to pieces.

Neither of us has a great sponsorship deal (HFS Loans??? Casino's???)

Both clubs have hooligan trouble.

Both clubs are likely to be in the lower leagues for a while longer. Wednesday are struggling to hit form in division 3 and United really need a striker who can hit 20 goals if they want to get anywhere.

Both clubs would struggle in top flight football due to their debts.

Neither of us has won anything for years, and coming close like my team (United) did a few years ago isn't something that is particularly relevant NOW.

And obviously Wibbles, alot of people would be seen dead in burberry hats, stone island and rockport clothes. I see them every day in the city centre, in and around football grounds, meadowhall, council estates, hunters bar and so on...

And no, I don't wear them!

Wibbles- just as a question- who do you support?

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
United really need a striker who can hit 20 goals if they want to get anywhere.

God, how many more years will we be saying this?

How many strikers do you need??
Is this another Warnock masterplan tactic...play the infamous 1-10 formation.

Originally posted by wibbles
How many strikers do you need??
Is this another Warnock masterplan tactic...play the infamous 1-10 formation.

if ever i saw 3 strikers play UP FRONT for united under warnock i would be very very surprised!

yes we have a lot of strikers, but we only ever playn 2 (sometimes 3 with one in midfield)

warnock is attack minded -thats why we have so many, he doesn't play them all at once- he just makes them fight hard for there place!!!!

Originally posted by Romario
mmm
, i'v read all the post s & not replied due to time & work!, but if all the facts were put to an independent, un-biased person, nonetheless Owls fan (just stating FACTS) person, they would obviously say that Wednesday are the bigger club, by a huge length, in the city!

Currently, United are doing better, (even though they have inferior ground & crowd swell), they are not attracting the fanbase that Wednesday would be if roles were reversed. But as Wednesday get 28.000 for a game againsed Hull & 22.000 AVERAGE, for all games, It's Fact & even a pig could understand this! Would the swine get these crowds if they were as bad as us!
Even Worldwide, we have greater fanbase!

Man Utd aren't the best supported team in Manchester, anywhere within 50 miles square of Manchester.

Wednesday have played in Europe, experienced games againsed the then current German champs, "Kaiserslautern" experienced 2 unsuccessfull cup final results, yes 2, in 1 season. 1 is a fluke, 2 no!, a great team that was.
The fluke was that the swine were involved!

Truth & statistical facts is that Wednesday are more supportive.
United fans are chavs that wear silly burberry caps & go around pretending to be hooligans & thats what they do! Maybe primary school is where they should be!
All those piggys that do that are little boys who need help!
Poor little piggy!

At last someone talking sense!:clap:

Wibbles, who do you support? . . . we're waiting . . .

The swine are an inner city club that have a decent enough ground. This is me a died in the war Wednesdayite. But only descent in the fact that it holds 29,000 or so, compared to some other clubs in their division.
But the fact someone has been within that ground & built bricks & trod over the threshhold of the shop is something someone that not knowingly, will be able to wash off their hands!

Hillsborough is a top ground, falling apart, maybe in some areas, but not some no-history ground stuck in the middle of an industrial estate like Derby or Sunderland!
If Wednesday were exceptionally successful again & decided to move to a 60, 000 ground in an area like don valley, it would be bad!
I wouldn't go, SWFC & Hillsborough are the same thing, add on, yes, not move!

Originally posted by Lestat
Wibbles, who do you support? . . . we're waiting . . .

He answered a few posts up... Liverpool. :gag:

Originally posted by Patchy
He answered a few posts up... Liverpool. :gag:

Sorry, must have been his accent I couldn't understand!:P

Originally posted by Lestat
Sorry, must have been his accent I couldn't understand!:P

Well it was there earlier, but it seems to have disappeared now. I hope a mod didn't decide it was too controversial to allow someone to admit to being a Liverpool supporter... someone has to support them! :o