Inspired by something that Cosywolf said I would be interested to know what the most popular views are on this forum regarding Life after Death. I have created a poll with what I consider the main position. I have decided to leave out a 'don't know' answer because I would like you to say what is the closest to your current viewpoint. Please also post something to explain your position if you wish. I would be more than interested to read all viewpoints.

While it sounds a bit hokey, I chose 'spirit world' due to the scientific idea that energy cannot disappear, only change. If that's the case, surely some part of us must continue, if only to become part of the gases that surround the planet?

In other words, no idea :lol: :lol:

Sprit world for me also!

I Definately think we pop off to the spirit world - or at least I hope so !:lol:

I will be a worm feast.

I'd like to think there is something after death or even before birth but I just cant see it.

In a few hundred thousand years, i hope to be 1/2 gallon of petrol, and a can of 3 in 1

Hmm. Quite alot of views but not many votes. Seems we have some fence sitters.

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Originally posted by huwj
don't believe in any form of life after death. you either go up in smoke (quite literally) or you rot in the ground. end of story as far as i am concerned.

I agree

I am a strong believer in an after-life.
I dont see much difference between heaven and hell and the spirit world options, but have chosen the latter because I am sure that non-believers go to the same place as believers, but they wouldnt want to be calling it heaven.
I cannot believe that the creative energy and vibrancy that is a human being can just be turned off, the bit that distinguishes us from tractors or rose bushes etc. It must go somewhere else (or hang about locally, whichever) but I cant see it just stopping.
LB
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Interesting views. I've plumped for spirit world also.

I don't think the spirit goes somewhere else in terms of linear distance. I think it's a matter of passing into a dimension or realm that's not visible or accessible to us here.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Inspired by something that Cosywolf said I would be interested to know what the most popular views are on this forum regarding Life after Death. I have created a poll with what I consider the main position. I have decided to leave out a 'don't know' answer because I would like you to say what is the closest to your current viewpoint. Please also post something to explain your position if you wish. I would be more than interested to read all viewpoints.

The truth is that no one knows, I like to think that I shall see God when I die but it is all supposition, is there a heaven? is there a God? is there a purpose in life? why have we got to die? why are we here? is the Earth here for us? or are we here for the Earth?what is the Milky Way Galaxy for? What is the Gigantic Universe for? The Church heirarchy pontificates and lay down rules and make outrageous statements of what is and even though they are university graduates and highly intellectual they don't know any more than we do. At the end of the day, it is all personal opinions and what each individual feels in his or her heart.Hal. Evans.

Bearing in mind that we as humans are just a complex formation of cells, I find it hard to believe that anything happens when these cells die. Just because we have evolved and are capable of feeling emotions and knowing of our own mortality doesn't mean that we're any more special than animals or even insects. We're just another species on this planet. Religions are used to manipulate and control people by making promises that can never be delivered and giving false hopes to people.

If we "live" on in any form I suspect it will be energy patterns but given what I've learned of neural networks I don't see how we can be anything other than... here today, gone tomorrow..

If we live on, it'll be as someone elses memories...

Originally posted by t020
Bearing in mind that we as humans are just a complex formation of cells, I find it hard to believe that anything happens when these cells die. Just because we have evolved and are capable of feeling emotions and knowing of our own mortality doesn't mean that we're any more special than animals or even insects. We're just another species on this planet. Religions are used to manipulate and control people by making promises that can never be delivered and giving false hopes to people.

Bloody hell, I agree with him :o

Originally posted by cosywolf
While it sounds a bit hokey, I chose 'spirit world' due to the scientific idea that energy cannot disappear, only change. If that's the case, surely some part of us must continue, if only to become part of the gases that surround the planet?

In other words, no idea :lol: :lol:

Dammit! That's why I put 'the spirit world' down!!

Depressing stuff!!

If there is no hard and fast meaning of life, does anyone have any particular idea of what their own meaning of life is?

Originally posted by Funky Dave
Depressing stuff!!

If there is no hard and fast meaning of life, does anyone have any particular idea of what their own meaning of life is?

Life is like a journey, it has a start and an end, but they are in the same place: oblivion.

The key is to keep your head up, look around, and enjoy the journey at all times. Pay attention, and don't look at your feet to see how fast you are going.

Why we are on this journey is a mystery to me, but that does not change the fact we are on it.

Wondering why seems to me to be both fascinating and pointless; If we spend our time wondering why, we will not be paying sufficient attention to the journey itself.

Originally posted by t020
Bearing in mind that we as humans are just a complex formation of cells, I find it hard to believe that anything happens when these cells die. Just because we have evolved and are capable of feeling emotions and knowing of our own mortality doesn't mean that we're any more special than animals or even insects. We're just another species on this planet. Religions are used to manipulate and control people by making promises that can never be delivered and giving false hopes to people.

t020 ... does that mean new labour is a religion ?

I didn't vote because I don't agree with any of those views.

While i can see this poll going on for a very long time (and will probably never changes anyone's opinions) I still though i'd put across my idle wondering on the subject.

I see that nobody here seems to have that much fear of death, which ids a good thing, no point fearing the inevitable. What i do see though is a great fear of stopping to exist though. I can't see why there is a big problem understanding that there was once a point in time where you did not exist (before you were conceived) and that there will be a time when you will not exist again. Why is that so haunting?

I guess what i'm trying to say is that, scientifically, we are all energy compressed so that we vibrate at a crawl, (essentially what matter is) and that we are all made of the same thing. We are one conciousness observing the universe subjectively, each through a different viewpoint (our bodies) and when we die we will return to being energy of some form. While we will cease to exist, our energy will carry on. Why does there have to be anything as complex as a 'soul' or something that is not made up of the raw energy we are made of anyway? Why should our conciousness ever go on? It would become dated very quickly anyway, and our way of thinking soon superceeded (sp?) by cultural norms.

Can you imagine a spirit world where people with the ideals of the past carry on? how would, for example, women be treated in this world? I just think it's a nice idea but totally unessesary.

Wilf

Heh, rant over now,

I believe your conciousness is your soul. I also believe in heaven and hell. I think if you know what is right and are sorry for all wrongdoings you'll go to heaven. If you have absolutely no conscience and are not sorry for anything you've done then you'll go to hell.

This does seem far fetched, but if I'm wrong then what's the worst that can happen, I'll just cease to exist and it won't matter anyway.

Originally posted by Lickszz
... I have decided to leave out a 'don't know' answer because I would like you to say what is the closest to your current viewpoint. Please also post something to explain your position if you wish. I would be more than interested to read all viewpoints.

By leaving a 'don't know' option out you have given no choice for agnostics - who are a great number, particularly in Western culture. I have a BA in The History and Philosophy of World Religions, and studied for five years on a Masters, and having spent the last thirty-odd years perusing this and other similar pertinent questions, I still 'don't know'.

How can anyone know ?

I think people have a lot of ideas and beliefs about 'after death' ... mostly that come from their surrounding culture etc.

OK ... people have beliefs ... but can anyone say that they know what will happen after death ?

I think fear of death will increase ... the closer you get ... hehe.

Maybe more serious ... is fear of being alive ...

Originally posted by JamieW
How can anyone know ?...I think fear of death will increase ... the closer you get ... hehe.

Certainly not true in my case J, and from studies that I have read not true in general - whether or not it's just a 'natural' acceptance the closer one gets to 'a natural' death, I don't know.

What I do know is that it holds no terror for me. And, I think that most people are afraid of 'how they will die', not death itself.

Yep CW.

People can easily say they are not afaid of death ... but when it draw near ...

Well ... for me personally ... I shall just have to wait and see ...

Perhaps older people are more naturally conditioned to accept death ?

I had a vision ... of being stood on top of skyscraper ... right on the top on the edge ... but facing away from the edge ... and of life just pushing me back ... and it being no use to fight and struggle ... just accept.

Originally posted by JamieW
Yep CW.

People can easily say they are not afaid of death ... but when it draw near ...

Well ... for me personally ... I shall just have to wait and see ...

Perhaps older people are more naturally conditioned to accept death ?

I had a vision ... of being stood on top of skyscraper ... right on the top on the edge ... but facing away from the edge ... and of life just pushing me back ... and it being no use to fight and struggle ... just accept.

Just accept - fullstop.

Completely agree with you CW :)

What can you say to all of this then. Some obviously smart people on this forum with equally smart things to say.

But I am not hear to polish everyones keyboard!

Just to tell you that I have been to heaven, I have been to hell and somehow, I have manged to hold on to the rollercoaster!

There is no meaning of life. There are no such things as miracles.
You experience life, you live life, some give up, some champion it.
Some fit somewhere in the middle.

Believe what you like, do the best by people.
The more we know the more questions we have anyway.

All I need to know is that by the time something awful does happen to me, that I have strived to improve my world and the world of other people. yuk, sick but true !

if there is how come close relatives don't come back and make contact or why don't murder victims come back and say who killed them........in my opinion when its over its over so enjoy it while you can coz your a long time dead.....

Maybe the dead are so pleased to be away from the arses on this side of the great divide that they don't want to come back? ;)

And I guess it depends on what you mean by an afterlife; perhaps if there is such a thing getting there's a one way trip - once you go you can't come back?

Or maybe all these people who claim to see the ghost's of their family / friends whatever, or receive messages in seances, ARE actually receiving communications from the afterlife rather than hallucinating?

Or maybe, indeed, we're dead and that's the end of it.

You pays your money and you takes your choice, and there's unlikely to be proof that satisfies everyone presented here.

I have faith in the continued existence of my soul after the physical death of my body. However :

a. No, I have no proof.
b. From past experiences on similar threads to this we'll soon have a set of slanging matches between people with different beliefs.
c. In the great scheme of things waiting another 40 or 50 years to find out ain't so long, so I'll just hang fire until then.

Have a good day, people.

Joe

I agree Joe.

Also the hard scientific fact that energy cannot dissapear sways me to believe we continue to exist in some form.

Being in the later stage of life I would love to believe there was something at the end of it all, but I can't.
So if there I find after death there is another existance, I can only count it as a bonus cos I didn't expect anything anyway.
Hazel

In short - no-one knows! However wait long enough and you can fnd out for yourself...

I don't much care one way or the other, but if there is I hope they have a cure for Arthritis.......even if it's only to chase the missis around the bed again. ;)

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you ever noticed churches are usually attended by odlies..i think they must think......"best go to church just incase":hihi: :hihi:

All I ask is what do you think is there something after we die .....


I belive there is something ....
:heyhey:

what about you ?????????????:help: :confused:

Tell me what you think

I have seen no evidence to suggest there is anything after death (I don't count "Most Haunted" as evidence) so I have to say I believe when you die thats it.

Id like to believe that we all went and chilled on the clouds when we snuffed it, but I also reckon when youre gone youre gone!!

yes maybe people have a silly picture in there head but i think there is to many things happing to make you not have even 100% that there is nothing there ..

P.S I like most haunted ......

I like most haunted too, I dont take it seriously tho!

i dont ...
but i have had to many things happen in my life for me not to belive...
I am not a strong beliver but i do think that there is more to life after death

Maybe i would believe more if id ever experienced anything spooky myself but coz i havnt im a tad critical!!

Originally posted by SarahM
I like most haunted too, I dont take it seriously tho!

I like it too, it's very entertaining, but I havent realy seen anything conclusive as they all get to hysterical at the slightest thing.

No wonder Yvette got kicked off Blue Peter she swears like a docker.

Originally posted by ladyovmanor
All I ask is what do you think is there something after we die .....



My humble opinion...I'd like in some ways to believe there is 'something' after death but just can't bring myself to do so (too much of a cynic - must be my 'CofE' upbringing!). I think you're born...you live...you die...full stop.

By the sounds of it maybe I should try watching 'most haunted' as it may convert me?!

Originally posted by threecolours
By the sounds of it maybe I should try watching 'most haunted' as it may convert me?!

I don't know about that but it will convince you of the link between being psychic and dramaticly camp over-acting.

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