Has anyone heard of the councils plans to demolish houses on Robey street, Popple Street and the Wensley estate in order to build new semi-deatched housing with garages on them?
I am a resident on Robey Street and I think that this plan is wrong because I have lived in the area all my life and demolishing the whole area to re-build would mean that I am forced into a council house, simply because I am a low wage earner. Also the council did not involve the residents in the consultation stage. I did not even know of the plan until one day I saw a letter lying on my doorstep, which said that the council had made a plan to demolish the area and that there was large support among the people who lived in the area. What ********!!!!!!!!!!
I have lived all my life on Robey Street and I have very fond memories of the place. why is the council doing this? Perhaps because of racism. it is a well-known fact that the area about to be demolished has a large population of ethnic (Me being one of them) and wherever there are ethnics there is a perception that there is a high level of crime. Why?
The council tells us that it wants to regenerating the area to lessen the tendancies of crime but i believe that they are just doing it to wind up the ethnics. To show the ethnics that the council can be racist legitimatelly.

What does anyone else think?
(by the way I am only 19 but I passionate about serious things like this and I am not into folly)

:mad:

Originally posted by Sadz

The council tells us that it wants to regenerating the area to lessen the tendancies of crime but i believe that they are just doing it to wind up the ethnics.

SO the council members have sat round the table and, after lengthy discussion, came to the conclusion - "We'll do it to p*ss the ethnics off"

Get real sunshine!

Originally posted by dinp
SO the council members have sat round the table and, after lengthy discussion, came to the conclusion - "We'll do it to p*ss the ethnics off"

Get real sunshine!

Do you even live in the area that I am talking about?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So are the council compulsory purchacing your property then?

Originally posted by Sadz
Do you even live in the area that I am talking about?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does that matter? Your claim that the council has done it 'to **** the ethnics off' has no evidence to back it up and smacks of you assuming it is racism rather than looking for a real reason...

If I am correct on the area the houses there are quite old and very run down. I would think that the council would be trying to give the area a boost by creating more modern energy efficent homes. pretty much like they did with upper and netherthorpe

This is going back a long time but I remember years ago there being something in the star about them demolishing round there but it never happened because of objections at the time so they have resurrected it again have they.

It's a shame because whilst terraced houses are not as popular they are perfectly good houses - I should know I lived in one for over 20 years until 2 years ago (up the road from you at Firth Park).

Yes semis are prettier and more in demand but why demolish for the sake of it?

I know the wensley estate has had lots of problems - not just crime but building problems and that's why they are demolishing those but don't know about robey street etc.

Originally posted by Sadz
Has anyone heard of the councils plans to demolish houses on Robey street, Popple Street and the Wensley estate in order to build new semi-deatched housing with garages on them?

Sadz, I don't think it's anything to do with racism; I live just up the road from you, but I've seen all those houses on Page Hall, Firth Park and Barsnley Road get new roofs and walls. They'd hardly be getting those if the council was in anyway racist, would they?

However, I am concerned that owner occupiers are going to have their houses demolished. I have been to some of those meetings they held at Fir Vale school over the summer, and although plans to redevelop the area were mentioned, I didn't see anything about demolition of existing build.

I have to say that the rebuild may actually might be a good thing...a lot of those terraced houses are pitifully small (we're talking two bedrooms in some cases), some are in need of repair and trying to park your car anywhere within Fir Vale / Page Hall is terrible because there is little or no off street parking; certainly not enough for the high number of multiple-car owning families living and working there.

I do sympathise from your viewpoint though - One day you're a landlord; the next you're a tenant :roll:

Originally posted by Sadz
Has anyone heard of the councils plans to demolish houses on Robey street, Popple Street and the Wensley estate in order to build new semi-deatched housing with garages on them?
I am a resident on Robey Street and I think that this plan is wrong because I have lived in the area all my life and demolishing the whole area to re-build would mean that I am forced into a council house, simply because I am a low wage earner. Also the council did not involve the residents in the consultation stage. I did not even know of the plan until one day I saw a letter lying on my doorstep, which said that the council had made a plan to demolish the area and that there was large support among the people who lived in the area. What ********!!!!!!!!!!
I have lived all my life on Robey Street and I have very fond memories of the place. why is the council doing this? Perhaps because of racism. it is a well-known fact that the area about to be demolished has a large population of ethnic (Me being one of them) and wherever there are ethnics there is a perception that there is a high level of crime. Why?
The council tells us that it wants to regenerating the area to lessen the tendancies of crime but i believe that they are just doing it to wind up the ethnics. To show the ethnics that the council can be racist legitimatelly.

What does anyone else think?
(by the way I am only 19 but I passionate about serious things like this and I am not into folly)

:mad:

I would say that you are quite possibly being racist yourself by trying to bring race into the issue, and trying to make out that the council are acting out of racist motives.

How can they knock your house down if you own it? :confused:

When they demolish the houses, are they actually going to replace them with new council houses, or private houses to be sold ... like they are planning to replace the St Georges estate with?

Originally posted by Skatiechik
How can they knock your house down if you own it? :confused:

They serve you with a legal document called a compulsory purchase order which basically says you must sell your house to them - not sure how these things work but I gather they are grossly unfair as you do not get the market value for your property only the value they place on it. I do stand to be corrected on this if I am wrong, but I believe that is the principle.

Originally posted by Sadz
Do you even live in the area that I am talking about?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No I don't live there, but what does that matter? If anyone is being racist here, i'd say its you.

Originally posted by wendy
They serve you with a legal document called a compulsory purchase order which basically says you must sell your house to them - not sure how these things work but I gather they are grossly unfair as you do not get the market value for your property only the value they place on it. I do stand to be corrected on this if I am wrong, but I believe that is the principle.

I've been to a meeting (not in Sheff) where people's houses are due to be demolished as part of the scheme planned. The tenants were assured that they would get full market value for their house.

I just hope that's universal...

I live on skinnerthorpe road and my street is for the chop!

Originally posted by Sniper
I live on skinnerthorpe road and my street is for the chop!

And what are your thoughts on that?

Originally posted by wendy
They serve you with a legal document called a compulsory purchase order which basically says you must sell your house to them - not sure how these things work but I gather they are grossly unfair as you do not get the market value for your property only the value they place on it. I do stand to be corrected on this if I am wrong, but I believe that is the principle.

you are actually supposed to get full market value for your home, you get it valued and so do the council and then argue out any difference. I don`t know whether or not it works but our house is also going to be bought and then knocked down and rebuilt. We were told it would be about 5 years away then they increased it to 7 so everyone went ahead spend cash on their properties, now they`ve changed their minds again and it looks as it may be as early as next year which is extremely annoying.
They are not being racist by doing this to you, it`s happening across the city!

I dont know see how it all turns out.

They're planning to knock down your street, and you don't have a response?

Come on Sniper, I'd expect more of a response than that!

Have you had any leaflets thorugh the door informing you of when the demolition will take place, and where you're going to live in the meantime? WIll you get the full market value for your property?

Do you think the proposed new houses will improve the look of the area, or will it divide and disperse the community?

I know that some people who live on the side streets up there are not too pleased that the people in the more prominent houses on Firth Park Road, Page Hall Road and Barnsley Road are having their walls and roofs redone for free, while residents on the more unfortunate side streets aren't getting anything.

What are your thoughts on that?

I apparently got a letter through the post today from the Sheffield city council claiming that the whole project is estimated to take about 10 years and that they have still not finalised the plans for demolition. Why can't the council be definite about its plans or are they just trying to scare the living daylights out of us local residents?
my house needs doing up and theres no point in me rennovating it if in a few years time the council is going to bring it to the ground.
Even the options available for the people whose houses are going to be knocked down are so confusing that I don't think anyone understands what is going to happen after the houses in the area are demolished.
Another grievance that I have is that the council claims that everyone- yes everyone- in the area to be knocked down approves of the plan. Where is the evidence? As far as I am concerned everyone that I know is against it. Just go down Popple Street and look in everyones window.
There was a letter in the star yesterday from a member of the green party who also disagrees with the plans for the Firvale area. Is there any way that we could force the council into backing down?
Come on people we really need someone who knows what is really happening to write in
:rant:

There was an article in last nights star about a chap who lives at Dalton who blocked the local councils compulsory purchace order. They wanted to knock his home of 30 years down to build a bus lane. he fought them and got the decision overturned in the high courts. so If the residents really are determined to stay then maybe there is hope

What I mean't is that the plans are still at the development
stage and have not been put through yet and it may be some
time before that happens if so we will want full market
price and compensation for the inconvience but i think the planners live in coo-coo land and the plan won't go through
i think they should give us enough money to completly rebuild
the houses inside up to a modern standard and do the same to
the outside as they have done on firth park road and if they are rebuilt the novelty will soon wear off and the old problems
will come back.:rant:

My grandparents live just off earl marshall road and I do go past skinnerthorpe road on my way there. Skinethorpe road is by far the most hideous, dirtiest, ancient street I have ever seen in my life. Good riddance I say!!!!!:gag:

Well that is your opinion this discussion is about plans to
smarten up the area.:loopy:

I have lived in Firvale all my life and am all for the councils plans, the area needs a revamp. It's been going downhill for years.

The houses are ancient and the good people of Fir Vale deserve much better!

If the council build the houses you dont know who you will
get living next door maybe even problem family from
other parts of sheffield that take ages to get rid of
and enyway you dont get houses like this anymore. :cry:

Originally posted by Sony
My grandparents live just off earl marshall road and I do go past skinnerthorpe road on my way there. Skinethorpe road is by far the most hideous, dirtiest, ancient street I have ever seen in my life. Good riddance I say!!!!!:gag:

You're the sat987654321 bloke who caused much hilarity several months ago, aren't you?

Let's hope your grandparents manage to leave the house before the wrecking ball comes down, eh ;)

I have only just recently moved to firth park and don't understand which part is firth park, fir vale and page hall - can somebody explain

any news on the houses behing that shop in the wensley estate - it looks well rough -

personally i didn't know the area too well when i bought so i'm stuck with it for the moment (i bought on the outskirts of the wensley estate)

anyway - where would you get 3 beds - 2 bathrooms - a driveway for 2 cars and a garden for less than 50K in an area where you are likely to live beyond your next birthday

Hello,

There's a 'masterplan' document on the council website if you can find it, search for 'Burngreave masterplan'.............

I'm fairly new to the Firth Park (or Fir Vale, I'm still not sure which one I live in!) and I'm all up for this regeneration, in our case it'll save us a bundle of cash in the long term with the work proposed and the area will look better for it. The only thing I can think of ******* me off is if they insist on brick walls instead of proper stone ones, sorry!

Looking at the big picture, I can only seen good when the word regeneration is mentioned, if it brings investment and improves a few communities then bring it on. Of course, I may be naive here but that's what great about this forum, you get to see the the big picture from many angles!

It's a shame people are being turfed out of their houses but I get the impression that these properties are so run down that flattening them is the only option.

Have a drive round these areas in five years time and make a judgement then.............

Laters.

Yes I lived all my life in Pagehall with Mum & Dad They did their house up beautifully & spent thousands on it House nearly paid for - Intending spending the rest of the days in that house. They started to feel uncomfortable in the area Youths hanging around smoking the wacky backy which Mum had to endure as she walked past these idiots going about her daily business. The dealer who moved in a few doors away from them and who asked my brother of 15years do you want to pull a few weeds in my garden and I'll pay you a tenner I don't think so. (Scum bag) Needless to say Mum & Dad sold up and moved and guess what bigger mortgage, bigger house , bigger garden but OHHHH what bliss. So all of you that think Pagehall Firvale is wonderful then get your eyes tested and drive round other areas cause they wish they had have done that years ago. By the way Mum & dad did go to meetings to try & make a difference to the place and reported things to the police but needless to say nothing doing............

Hello,

First of all my mother-in-law lives on Page Hall Road and has done for many many years and always been very happy about the area in which she lives. The area is mixed with ethnic minority and white but my mother-in-law is happy with where she lives. She walks down the road to the shops and doesn't have any problems whatsoever and never has done infact the next door neighbours on both sides are very plesant and are always friendly when we go round to her house also.

Yes it is looking like properties are going to be pulled down 500 altogether BUT 250 houses will be built with gardens and garages.

Obviously this will not benefit everyone as if you do the sums it leaves 250 short, what is being done about this I am not sure.

i live in pagehall for 17 years and yes they are knocking the houses down but i think its a good idea because the place needs a good face lift

ive just bought my house on the wensley and theres been no mention of the estate being knocked down.

Modernize or be a slum.

Originally posted by Sadz
why is the council doing this? Perhaps because of racism. it is a well-known fact that the area about to be demolished has a large population of ethnic (Me being one of them) and wherever there are ethnics there is a perception that there is a high level of crime. Why?
The council tells us that it wants to regenerating the area to lessen the tendancies of crime but i believe that they are just doing it to wind up the ethnics. To show the ethnics that the council can be racist legitimatelly.



I suppose you are including your local Burngreave ward councillors in this ridiculous accusation of racism - including councillor Ibrar Hussain ? Case dismissed I think.

Originally posted by Sniper
If the council build the houses you dont know who you will
get living next door maybe even problem family from
other parts of sheffield that take ages to get rid of
and enyway you dont get houses like this anymore. :cry:

So, Sniper, don't 'problem families' buy houses? Owner occupiers aren't exactly free from living next door to families that cause problems. If council tenants cause problems, at least the council has the ultimate power of eviction if other means of combatting any anti-social behaviour fail. You can't evict an owner-occupier though. Neighbours have no power of veto over who lives next door to them, whether they are council tenants or owner occupiers.

Look people, I live in Page Hall and I am a part of the Yemeni community. Page Hall, Wensley and Firth Park are labeled as one of the roughest parts in Sheffield. May be they are if you dont mind your own business, but despite that I have lived here for 2 years and never faced any trouble - seen alot of it but never was involved in it. We live in communities and no one touches a member of another community for no reson. And yes this areas are dominated by ethnic minorities - so what? White people feel unsafe here? Does a member of ethnic minority feel safe in Manor? Or any other predominantly white area of Sheffield? Hell no. I know of incidents where people had their house windows smashed and their houses set on fire simply because they are not white. And for the people who say that its a place where you feel unsafe - complain to the police, perhaps rather than trying to keep the posh areas of Sheffield safe and clean them and the Council could show some effort here.

I have bought a house on the Willoughby Street and I see no reason why the Council should buy it by force - or does democracy not work for ethnic miorities? Or do we have less choice and no rights in here? I DONT THINK SO.

Just thought I'd point this out, I used to live in a very narrow terrace similar to those in robey st. I have friends there and popple st.

Because they are so narrow the stairs don't meet current safety and building standards. More importantly a very high number of reported and unreported accidents happen on them. Too many people take really bad falls and end up in hospital (or stuggle on without proper treatment because they don't know or don't want to access it. If they are women caring for children then they need a whole raft of support to cope because back injuries take ages to sort out.

I fell top to bottom of mine and broke my tailbone completely, so my back will never be right and if I fall badly again, I'm a lot more vulnerable. I know so many other women who are in a similar position. That may be a key reason for this move. There is no way you can make these stairs safe. In this day and age its only reasonable to provide decent housing for everyone.

I now live in a very similar house, almost identical but its about 4 feet wider and the stairs are still steep but not to the degree of being dangerous. I think I probably agree with the plan on the face of it.

That said, I'd ring the council but also write and in your letter say you expect a response within 2 weeks. I've done this over planning applicatoins and I acutally got 2 personal visits and full explanations. They don't mean it, I think its just crappy beurocracy. They just aren't good at including us or involving us.

Stick your oar in and make your views felt. GEt the full info, you might be better off in the end. Even if it means losing an old community, with luck it will allow something better, and if present inhabitants remain there, there'll be some continuity. If you have your say, then you might also get more of what you want.

Also heard no-one would provide mortgages on those properties anymore so they were impossible to sell, but it might be better now.

Best luck anyway and be polite but persistent.

P.S> it took me over a year to be able to walk upright properly and probably at least 4 or 5 before I felt really ok again and fully mobile. I think its one of those silent womens issues, each of us thought it wasn't improtant and just coped. And its us who have to manage in small rooms, tiny kitchens, miniscule bathrooms with all our kids and washing and cooking and stuff. You make the best of your home and you do your best for your family, but we do have a harder time in those tiny little houses. But then maybe there are menfolk out there I don't know about who've taken a tumble too.

I'd go for the houses with garages. But then I think we should be demanding they build another lot, so everyone gets one, and they should only be for the people who already live there. Wouldn't it be nice if they just replaced the housing and handed it over with no extra charge! Like insurance payouts - new for old!

Well yes it would be nice if the council just did what yu say grace, like insurance payouts, but do you think they really care?
Everything is decided or should we say HAS been decided already on top and even if we are given a chance to speak - its irrelevant.

I may sound negative in this one but I have lived all around the world, Europe, Middle East, the former USSR - politicians do not give a **** about anyone, so do the local councils - they all have nice houses, fat bank accounts and get away with things. And if someone wants to argue - David Blunkett got done for speeding up the process for the visa application for that maid, by why werent the people responsible for the Iraq war and the tens of thousands of deaths, why are they still here???!!!!??? Why???!!!! It is all a very cleverly staged bull**** that people in this country seem to believe. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!!

Get the champers out.... its about time the area was given a face lift. The crime round there is terrible.

There used to be flats full of elderly people, most of whom have been forced out of their homes due to the high crime. I think we should look after our older generation and therefore welcome the project!!! No person should feel scared in their own home.

Is can only increase the value of houses in the area and as such can only benefit the current residents.

So u calling people in page hall criminals? LOL!

Originally posted by King_Solomon
So u calling people in page hall criminals? LOL!

Well...thats another story...!

Anyway, you say you have lived there two years, then you won't be aware of what it was like there 15 years ago. You have been in on the better end, so to speak.

Its not a pretty place to be at night, not saying its the crime capital of the north, but the properties there are now just not suitable for the community.

There is a community yes, but the housing will not meet their needs in the future. The housing lends itself to crime, and furthermore poor health.

When you buy a house in the UK you should be fully aware (leasehold or freehold) that you can be moved on in legitimate circumstances by local govt. if the needs of the many are met by doing this.

Sheffield has long been overlooked for this kind of investment, and if it passes by this time round, it might not come again for many years.

There is community spirit there, but its not about it all being rosy and friendly, its usually to discuss the crime and problems in the area, many of which will be on the way to resolution when the masterplan commences. Its a case of 'all in the same boat' - which can also lead to this 'community' feeling.

Its needs to come down and be replaced, no amount of facelifting or painting will resolve the problems of those properties which are just not suitable to meet todays living standards.

Complain about the crime to the POLICE - they have let it go that far, and by the way I am fully aware of what it was like here 20 years ago.

Originally posted by King_Solomon


I have bought a house on the Willoughby Street and I see no reason why the Council should buy it by force - or does democracy not work for ethnic miorities? Or do we have less choice and no rights in here? I DONT THINK SO.

Of course democracy works for ethnic minorities King_Solomon. You do not have any lesser (or greater) choice than anyone else, and none of this is based on your ethnic status. You also have rights.

If you were disabled, would you claim the council was discriminating against you because you used a wheelchair?
If you were elderly, would you claim the council was discriminating against you because you were old?
The list becomes endless.

There is a Masterplan for the future development of the Burngreave-Fir Vale-Pitsmoor-Page Hall area. This applies to all residents, irrespective of whether you have one leg, no hair or are from an ethnic minority. Now please can we welcome you back to the real world, and debate this topic sensibly.

ROBO I have lived in the REAL world for a while. I am 24, and witnessed 2 wars, in 1986 and in 1994, so dont you tell me what a real world is like. And by the way, I did work for Sheffield city council - I know whats it all about. But thanks anyway

Originally posted by King_Solomon
ROBO I have lived in the REAL world for a while. I am 24, and witnessed 2 wars, in 1986 and in 1994, so dont you tell me what a real world is like. And by the way, I did work for Sheffield city council - I know whats it all about. But thanks anyway

Thats redrobbo to you please. Don't recognise ROBO.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
I did work for Sheffield city council - I know whats it all about.
Doing what?

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Doing what?

And King_Solomon could you also tell us whether that was before you became a night club bouncer? Just interested, that's all.

I got a letter through the post last week from fir vale forum and apparently the final decision on whether to knock the houses down or to keep them is in May.The council may have asked our opinions but i'm sure that it won't budge from its original decision to knock down our houses regardless of the fact that 300 signatures were on a petition handed to the council last month and half of the people didn't even live in the area. They just felt sorry for the fact that residents were being chucked out of their own homes



:help:

I really do think this its a good idea. Its right that this area doesnt lend itself to community living and certainly not to encouraging the healthy upbringing of children.

I dont blame the police for its demise, this is only a very small area of sheffield with its own problems and due to its layout lends itself to criminality. The only way forward is to pull it down and rebuild giving all the current (law abiding) residents the opportunity to stay in new development!

To that end all the criminals should then be rounded up and dropped into the abyss! FOR GOOD!!!!

I worked for city council as my day time job and in the evening doing door work from time to time. Why is everyone asking me what I used to there? Ha ha, I was one of the people who you used to ring with you Council Tax bills - "oh I dont understand this, oooh I dont understand that"

Originally posted by King_Solomon
Why is everyone asking me what I used to there? Ha ha, I was one of the people who you used to ring with you Council Tax bills - "oh I dont understand this, oooh I dont understand that"
People are asking because you said
Originally posted by King_Solomon
I did work for Sheffield city council - I know whats it all about.
in support of your earlier statement
Originally posted by King_Solomon
...but do you think they really care?
Everything is decided or should we say HAS been decided already on top and even if we are given a chance to speak - its irrelevant...
...politicians do not give a **** about anyone, so do the local councils - they all have nice houses, fat bank accounts and get away with things...
...It is all a very cleverly staged bull**** that people in this country seem to believe. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!!
We just wondered if you used to be some "high flyer" that was privy to the inner sanctum discussions of Aunty Jan and Sir Bob.

Clearly the answer was no.

:)

No I wasnt a high flyer - I am only 24 years old. My family - uncles, cousins and closer family were in the military, airforce and the navy in Yemen. So once the government has changed, due to the posts they held some had to leave Yemen. But you dont need to be a high flyer to see things. There are many people here who seek assylum due to circumstances back home. In the 3rd world you will not find a good life if you once were against the regime if you know what I mean. I myself lived in Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Russia, and the UK. I was lucky enough not to seek assylum here, but hundreds of people had to - and they face problems now. So thats the picture for you my friend.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
No I wasnt a high flyer... ...thats the picture for you my friend.
Erm, we're talking about Sheffield City Council, and possible plans to "demolish and rebuild on Robey Street, Popple Street and Wensley".

My question was directly relevant to your supposed links to that subject, and any insights you may (or should I say didn't) have.

Your experiences in the Yemen (and subsequent insights into it's government), although interesting are not relevant to this thread.

Thanks for responding anyway "my friend".

;)

So lets go back to the subject then - as I said the council wants to demolish these houses, but are you aware of what they want to build? One of the projects is to build a block of flats, right oposite my house, with underground parking. Do you think underground parking is the right thing for this area? Would you come and park your car there? Building new houses doesnt mean the crime (like you people say is at the high rate here which is bull****) will disappear?

Originally posted by King_Solomon
So lets go back to the subject then - as I said the council wants to demolish these houses, but are you aware of what they want to build? One of the projects is to build a block of flats, right oposite my house, with underground parking. Do you think underground parking is the right thing for this area? Would you come and park your car there? Building new houses doesnt mean the crime (like you people say is at the high rate here which is bull****) will disappear?

King-Solomon: No one thinks building a new block of flats will rid crime completely. But surely development within the area can only help bring investment into the area.

Question: What do you think the solution is if not to pull down and rebuild??

As you are a resident in the area I am sure you will get the opportunity to have your say.

Originally posted by malton_s5
So all of you that think Pagehall Firvale is wonderful then get your eyes tested and drive round other areas cause they wish they had have done that years ago. By the way Mum & dad did go to meetings to try & make a difference to the place and reported things to the police but needless to say nothing doing............

But Police have been doing something about it, thanks to the curfew and Dispersal order (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/viewarticle2.aspx?ArticleID=878703&SectionID=58&Search=Page%20Hall&Searchtype=any&SearchSection=58&DateFrom=102004&DateTo=112004&Page=1&ReturnPage=Results.aspx) that is in place.

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Anyway, you say you have lived there two years, then you won't be aware of what it was like there 15 years ago. You have been in on the better end, so to speak.

I agree with the above comments. Believe it or not, the area has vastly improved from a decade ago, when drugs were openly purchased in the local cafes. Again, the Police cleared that up by raiding the cafes and arresting those responsible.

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Its not a pretty place to be at night, not saying its the crime capital of the north, but the properties there are now just not suitable for the community.

<snip>

Its needs to come down and be replaced, no amount of facelifting or painting will resolve the problems of those properties which are just not suitable to meet todays living standards.

True. As I wrote earlier in this thread, those tiny two-bedroomed terraced houses with no off-street parking do not meet the needs of the local population; the population being mainly comprised of multiple car-owning families with several young children each ;)

Something has to be done, otherwise I suspect those same residents who complain now will, in ten years' time, be accusing our 'racist' city councillors of doing nothing to prevent the problem when they had the opportunity :!:

Originally posted by Sadz
why is the council doing this? Perhaps because of racism. it is a well-known fact that the area about to be demolished has a large population of ethnic (Me being one of them) and wherever there are ethnics there is a perception that there is a high level of crime. Why?
The council tells us that it wants to regenerating the area to lessen the tendancies of crime but i believe that they are just doing it to wind up the ethnics. To show the ethnics that the council can be racist legitimatelly.


I'm sorry but your post made me laugh! The council is trying to improve our city by ridding of unsightly houses and that is racist, why? how? Whenever people bring race into account they get laughed at, the majority of people don't see people with different coloured skin as bad people yet certain people always have to assume that they do, perhaps for sympathy but let's face it who cares?! Yes there are racist people out there but they also are different colours, its not just white people that are racist and prejudice, there are also asian people and black people who are equally as bad, so quit the 'they're only picking on me because i'm not white' line, it doesn't work anymore and won't work again.

Back to the subject, if they don't demolish these houses and you continue to own it, you'll end up spending more than its worth on doing it up, therefore losing money. These houses are an eyesore, by bringing new homes to the area, it improves the overall look of the place.

Originally posted by tinkabel
I'm sorry but your post made me laugh! The council is trying to improve our city by ridding of unsightly houses and that is racist, why? how? Whenever people bring race into account they get laughed at, the majority of people don't see people with different coloured skin as bad people yet certain people always have to assume that they do, perhaps for sympathy but let's face it who cares?! Yes there are racist people out there but they also are different colours, its not just white people that are racist and prejudice, there are also asian people and black people who are equally as bad, so quit the 'they're only picking on me because i'm not white' line, it doesn't work anymore and won't work again.

Back to the subject, if they don't demolish these houses and you continue to own it, you'll end up spending more than its worth on doing it up, therefore losing money. These houses are an eyesore, by bringing new homes to the area, it improves the overall look of the place.

Well put tinkabel. Completely agree with every word.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tinkabel
[B]I'm sorry but your post made me laugh! The council is trying to improve our city by ridding of unsightly houses and that is racist, why? how? Whenever people bring race into account they get laughed at, the majority of people don't see people with different coloured skin as bad people yet certain people always have to assume that they do, perhaps for sympathy but let's face it who cares?! Yes there are racist people out there but they also are different colours, its not just white people that are racist and prejudice, there are also asian people and black people who are equally as bad, so quit the 'they're only picking on me because i'm not white' line, it doesn't work anymore and won't work again.


soz mate but if I hadn't started this post then you wouldn't have had a chance to post your views on this forum. Just be glad i did. shows what a no brainer you are.

:loopy:

To Sadz and King_Solomon:

The councils decision has NOTHING to do with racism.

If the council was racist, would the residents of Barnsley, Firth Park and Page Hall Roads have gotten those house improvements?

No!

Robey, Popple and the other streets have to be demolished, because the houses are simple too small and unsuitable to hold the rapidly increasing population.

If the council did nothing, and left the streets as they are, those same residents would be complaining in ten years that the council had done nothing to help!

If you do want an example of 'racist' attitudes by the City Council, I'm more inclined to think back to the Nineties. Page Hall had a deserved reputation back then as being a Hellhole, and the Council did nothing...as long as the problem was contained in S4.

Sadz, you have a great opportunity to improve your area. If you don't take it, then don't be surprised if another area gets priority, and nobody ever touches S4 with a barge pole again.

Wa Salaam

Abdul

/rant

:mad:

Sadz

Having researched this fully as i work within this sector i would like to let everyone know that there are pro's and con's for demolition as a regeneration tool. Often, residents are priced out of the market after all the demolition leaving a lot of pple who lived in the area having to move away(this is one of the main government initiatives- to change the make up of the area)

However, there are numerous disadvantages of this:-
- BME community can feel persecuted and this can lead to increased tension within communities.
- The loss of a certain community will be great.

Also, Popple St, Robey st etc won't be demolished. However, Skinnerthorpe Rd will be demolished....

cheers

Originally posted by Sadz

soz mate but if I hadn't started this post then you wouldn't have had a chance to post your views on this forum. Just be glad i did. shows what a no brainer you are.

:loopy:

WTF!!! Firstly i am not your mate so do not call me that and secondly please get an education so you can talk properly and make sense! i post my views quite regularly on this forum and it's you with the no brain 'oh don't pick on me because i'm not white blah blah flaming blah' get a life and let the council get on doing their job of improving our city! It's people like you who bring Sheffield down, some of us want our city to improve and be the best it can be. All the estates mentioned on this post need a re-boost, Wensley's proved it by today's news, so go crawl back under the stone you came from and shut up!

Originally posted by tinkabel
WTF!!! Firstly i am not your mate so do not call me that and secondly please get an education so you can talk properly and make sense! i post my views quite regularly on this forum and it's you with the no brain 'oh don't pick on me because i'm not white blah blah flaming blah' get a life and let the council get on doing their job of improving our city! It's people like you who bring Sheffield down, some of us want our city to improve and be the best it can be. All the estates mentioned on this post need a re-boost, Wensley's proved it by today's news, so go crawl back under the stone you came from and shut up!

Whilst I agreed with everything you said in your previous post tinkabel, and I agree with the thrust of your argument in this post, don't let your argument become diminished by resorting to the level achieved by Sadz. The objectionable insult made by Sadz just clearly illustrates he has failed to substantiate his case. His ridiculous claims (and those of King_Soloman) that the council are somehow picking on him because he comes from an ethnic background has been completely undermined by various posts, yours and mine included. Now all he can do is resort to name-calling. Your points are clear-cut and valid. Sadz appears unable to respond in an appropriate manner to the valid counter-arguments. I suggest either Sadz apologies for his insulting rant, or if he has nothing better to say, shuts up altogether. Remember, Sadz, this is a family forum.

RED ITS KING_SOLOMON NOT KING_SOLOMAN.

Originally posted by King_Solomon
RED ITS KING_SOLOMON NOT KING_SOLOMAN.

Apologies for typo.

gosh! this thread has got quite snappy and sharp! I think I agree with lots of points and also empathise with lots of points. The council don't always get it right when communicating with local people, in particular I notice they always use letters as the main means and lots of people don't read well or can't read, or find beurocratic language baffling (like me!).

I must say its a shame that some people feel so edgy and defensive. Buts it good that this issue has been aired. I don't think it helps to be too aggressive as that doesn't improve things for anyone. Surely its possible to be positive and polite about putting your arguments. Even if someone is clearly off the track, its surely possible to put them right without being aggressive or undermining them.

Seems lots of important points have been made. I do agree that the local people already in the area should be supported and informed properly. I also agree that the housing is poor and have thought for a long time it should be replaced somehow. I can see the dichotony; no-one can please everyone, some people will not be happy but others will be. Change is always a curse and a blessing. When it comes, you can only hope it turns out good. Like my mum always says "trust in providence and all will be well". No good blaming, cursing or wishing, you just have to get on with coping and try to make whatever happens into something good.

Best luck to anyone in the redevelopment area, but I bet when its all over you will be better off. Certainly hope so. I'd like to know what happens anyway.

i apologise abot that last comment. i'd like to withdraw it and don't want any more posts giving retaliation!!!!!

I'm just so angry cuz i don't know whether i'm coming or going. i've already got stress with doing my degree and all that and i don't think that i will be able to take any more. i just wish that the council told us directly rather than keeping us residents in the dark about what it wants to do. personally, i have to reapply for my fees to be paid by my local council as well as re-enrol for the next academic year. i can't actually do this until i know exactly what is happening and it will probably mean that i will have to pay the 1,500 uni fees myself as i can't disclose my address.
what kind of problems will the move by the council cause you and is it really worth all that the council says it is?


p.s why does everyone automatically assume that i'm a he just cuz i haven't mentioned anywhere that i am female

Originally posted by Sadz
i apologise abot that last comment. i'd like to withdraw it and don't want any more posts giving retaliation!!!!!

I'm just so angry cuz i don't know whether i'm coming or going. i've already got stress with doing my degree and all that and i don't think that i will be able to take any more. i just wish that the council told us directly rather than keeping us residents in the dark about what it wants to do. personally, i have to reapply for my fees to be paid by my local council as well as re-enrol for the next academic year. i can't actually do this until i know exactly what is happening and it will probably mean that i will have to pay the 1,500 uni fees myself as i can't disclose my address.
what kind of problems will the move by the council cause you and is it really worth all that the council says it is?


p.s why does everyone automatically assume that i'm a he just cuz i haven't mentioned anywhere that i am female

I trust tinkabel will accept your apology in the spirit in which it is offered Sadz.

Whatever the final plans are for your area, it will not prevent you from re-enrolling at uni. You have an address, and that remains your address unless or until you change it.

I have not assumed that you are male (though of course you might be). I have used 'he' in reference to yourself as a generic term. It saves having to type '(s)he' or 'she/he', which I always think looks clumsy.

Best wishes with your studies.

redrobbo (I'm a 'he' by the way!)

Originally posted by Sadz

p.s why does everyone automatically assume that i'm a he just cuz i haven't mentioned anywhere that i am female [/B]

Kinda thought you might be a she actually! but since you can't tell on this forum I try and avoid being specific with anyone.

Hope youre uni course goes ok, you can get help from student services and student advice centre, and you could take after my no. 1 sprogg and just wail loudly at everyone till they give up and do it for you! I'm sure you can use your current address until you actually move to a new one. Most students don't plan accommodation moves coherently anyway, they just sort of happen.

Hi to everyone discussing Page Hall, where I live. I've read all the entries going back months and want to reply to all.
Hopefully most people who live in the area will now be informed of the changes to the masterplan, where wholesale demolition is to be replaced by a community led plan, to be orchestrated over the next year and submitted to cabinet where they will draw down the funding for refurbishment and energy efficiency measures. This is a huge opportunity to be embraced by all residents and I urge everyone to take it on and get involved.
The signatures on the petition submitted to the council are all from residents of page hall. The stats used in the recently circulated photocopied leaflet from the regeneration team showing the results of the household survey are in my opinion a little misleading.
As for the areas like Skinnerthorpe Rd., I was led to believe residents were mainly for demolition. Although I think that perhaps residents there were not all aware of the full consequences of the plan. However, I feel that may be about to change.. but I may be wrong.
There has been a certain amount of apathy and mis-information flying around about all this. There is a meeting this Sunday (17th) at Fir Vale School where the planners will be there to discuss options.. I urge everone affected to be there.
Latest news: the block of flats with underground parking has been refused planning permission.
Did I miss anything?

Welcome to the forum ferret, and thanks for an informative first posting! I am PMing Sadz and King_Solomon to look up your post. Hopefully, they can make this meeting on 17 April.

a few month ago i refurbished a house on robey street,the one at the top painted cream.the house had been used as a hydrophonics house for growing drugs it was in a right state,took a lot of time and energy to turn it back into a home.
the house inside is not that small the bedrooms upstairs are bigger than in most modern houses nice size bathroom ok the kitchen is small but has a dining room and living room ideal for first time buyer.
i was a bit unsure about doing the project becouse of the area and the reprutation of the area,the people on both sides are very nice people.always spoke and showed a intrest in what was being done,the property was never broken into and nothing was stolen power tools ect,my vehicle was never touched and at no time did i feel at unease working in the area.
it would be a shame if the area was demolished i think a bit more spent on what was there would be a better option. i have worked in worse areas had stuff stolen felt threatend these were supposed to be the better areas of sheffield.

hope you get a good final out come to this problem

The meeting is 12-4. Will have more to say soon. I know the house you mean

I wasn't able to go to the meeting arranged by the council on the 10th of April. Can anyone tell me what was discussed and what the council has decided.

do a search. lestat went to the meeting and put up some info on it.

Oops! looks like i've just killed off a very interesting thread

Do you even live in the area that I am talking about?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used too I`m surprised they haven`t pulled it down before now

Shame more victorian housing's planned to go. So much better than the Ikea semi boxes they are no doubt planning on building. Such a loss of character in a lovely area.

I have a plan, leave all these nice houses and move along.

Looking at some of the names on this old thread, what happened to Abdul, he used to be a regular poster on here.

Some of the houses in the page hall area date back to the late 1800s and its about time they pulled the lot down < from popple street to willoughby st they were built for the steel workers and the steel industry went years and years ago .So how many times do you have to paper over the cracks before you send in the bulldozers .............?

Why is this being brought up again now? to cause more distress to the people in page hall?
the hosung stock in the area is not that bad, it is in fact extremely similar to the properties in the s10 and s11 areas which are still considered desirable. I was a resident in page hall when all this kicked off a few years ago, and the stress that many of us went through to fight to save our homes, being unable to sell up because no one could get a mortgage whle the plans were discussed, I know many of my close friends in the area were pushed close to the edge, and many became ill through the process.
The Page Hall Community Association was formed, and through a lot of hard work, which included structural surveys of the houses, petitions, campaigns and hour and hours of meetings the council came to realise that the housing stock was in reasonable condition, that there was a community and a deman for housing in the area, and that demolition was not going to happen. This was also publicised in the local media - radio sheffield and the star both ran features on the issue.
In fact Page Hall, and the PHCA went on to win several awards for the community work done in the area, including Sheffield in Bloom awards, and Sheffieldfirst for environment awards.
The area does have a negative reputation, but having lived there for over 4 years before I moved to another part of the city I can honestly say it is not like other people say. I never had a problem while I lived there, was never a victim of crime and made many very close friends. If you look at crime fugures for the area you are more likely to be a victim of a personal attack in broomhill than page hall, at least that was the case when I was there.
The council had an agenda to demolish and rebuild because they would have accessed massive european funding. When they received huge opposition they decided not to demolish.
So please, before you bring all this up again would you consider what bringing this topic back to the fore may do to the mental state of many of those living in the area still, especially in the current economic climate?