And who would manage it?

You can use any recognised formation, and must choose players who are still playing today.

I am busy (ish!) at work at the moment, so will post mine in a bit.

Manager
Jose Mourinho


......Drogba....Van Nistelrooy

Ronaldinho...Gerrard...Kaka

................Essien............

A Cole.....Terry.....Ferdinand...G Neville

...............Cech...............

Subs
Berbatov
C Ronaldo
Gatusso
Cannavaro
Van Der Sar

......drogba....henry
ronaldinhio...messi...kaka

................makalele............

heinze.....nesta.....matterazi...neville

...............cech...............

Heinze??

Bugger me.......

Heinze??

Bugger me.......

Wrong thread surely.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=106574

Cech
Neville Nesta Ferdinand Zambrotta

Ronaldinho Kaka Gerrard Ronaldo

Eto Henry

Subs Buffon, Terry, Vieira, Berbatov, Rooney.

Makes me want to load up Football Manager and give it a crack.....

Formation: 4 - 4 - 1 - 1

[GK] Petr Cech

[LB] Patrice Evra
[CB] John Terry
[CB] Rio Ferdinand
[RB] Gary Neville

[LM] Ronaldinho
[DM] Gattuso
[CM] Hargreaves
[RM] C. Ronaldo

[AM] Kaka
[FW] Rooney

Subsitutes

[GK] Dida
[LB] Risse
[CB] Vidic
[M] Scholes
[FWD] Drogba

Based on recent performances in the last twelve months, left out a few players that I would have liked to include but didn't have the room; Thierry Henry, Eto'o.

Formation: 4 - 4 - 1 - 1

[GK] Petr Cech

[LB] Patrice Evra
[CB] John Terry
[CB] Rio Ferdinand
[RB] Gary Neville

[LM] Ronaldinho
[DM] Gattuso
[CM] Hargreaves
[RM] C. Ronaldo

[AM] Kaka
[FW] Rooney

Subsitutes

[GK] Dida
[LB] Risse
[CB] Vidic
[M] Scholes
[FWD] Drogba

Based on recent performances in the last twelve months, left out a few players that I would have liked to include but didn't have the room; Thierry Henry, Eto'o.

Gary Neville ? Has been injured quite a lot.
Hargreaves ? Surely Gerrard and Scholes have been better this season.
Rooney ? Not his best season and was never to the standard set by Drogba.

P Cech


Miguel Terry Ferdinand Zambrotta

Quaresma Fabregas Scholes Ronaldo

Kaka

T Henry

manager - Mike Bayly

A very premiership biased team, which speaks more about my lack of european knowledge, or the fact work is very busy!!

P Cech


Miguel Terry Ferdinand Zambrotta

Quaresma Fabregas Scholes Ronaldo

Kaka

T Henry

manager - Mike Bayly

A very premiership biased team, which speaks more about my lack of european knowledge, or the fact work is very busy!!

You must just be trying to be different with Miguel!
He fought for ages with Ferriera for the right back berth, so how good can he be?
This is a WORLD XI.

Cech
Maldini Carragher Terry Riise
Ronaldo Gerrard Tevez Giggs
Kaka
Drogba

Don't expect subs this has took long enough , as for a manager....Ancelloti

........Drogba....Henry

Ronaldo....Gerrard........Kaka

...............Essien............

A Cole..Terry..Ferdinand..D Alves

...............Cech...............



Subs

Buffon
Carragher
Scholes
Ronaldinho
Eto'o

Cech
Maldini Carragher Terry Riise
Ronaldo Gerrard Tevez Giggs
Kaka
Drogba

Don't expect subs this has took long enough , as for a manager....Ancelloti

Took long enough? Couldnt you even find a right back?

You must just be trying to be different with Miguel!
He fought for ages with Ferriera for the right back berth, so how good can he be?
This is a WORLD XI.

Depends how you look at it.

I saw Brazil v Portugal at the Emirates and he was the best defender on the pitch.

My Team 4-1-2-1-2

Cech GK

Lahm LB Terry LCB V. Kompany RCB Daniel Alves RB


De Rossi CDM


Vicente LM Joaquin RM


Kaka CAM


David Villa ST Luca Toni ST
Reserves:-
GK Buffon
DEF M.Taylor
DEF Carvalho
MID Essien
ST Eto'o Manager - Klinsman.

Manager
Jose Mourinho


............Van Nistelrooy

Totti.................................Kaka

............Fabrgas...Pirlo

..................Vieira

Grosso.....Terry.....Nesta.....Zanetti

..................Cech...............

Subs
Drogba
C Ronaldo
Essien
Henry
Buffon
Vidic
Alves

Took long enough? Couldnt you even find a right back?

Yeh , Maldini at RB just like he has for Milan these last few games, or if you would prefer Carragher at RB and Maldini in the centre.

Cech
Maldini Carragher Terry Riise
Ronaldo Gerrard Tevez Giggs
Kaka
Drogba

Don't expect subs this has took long enough , as for a manager....Ancelloti

your having a laugh if you think liverpool has 2 of the best defenders in the world :hihi: :loopy:


and carragher at right back? mate you seriously have a deluded opinion on liverpool..

I'm not seriously deluded at all, if anything I am quite happy about it.;)

I don't think Red Nev is the best right back or Cole, but Maldini is one of the greatest defenders there has been and the fact that they are still playing him at 39 is amazing. If it had been best ever then both Maldini and Baresi would have been 2 of the back 4.

I'm not seriously deluded at all, if anything I am quite happy about it.;)

I don't think Red Nev is the best right back or Cole, but Maldini is one of the greatest defenders there has been and the fact that they are still playing him at 39 is amazing. If it had been best ever then both Maldini and Baresi would have been 2 of the back 4.
So what if he's arguably one of the best ever that doesn't mean he's one of the world best defenders at the moment.

George Best and Maradona are without doubt two of the greatest footballers of all time, that doesn't mean they'd make it into a current world 11 though does it.

your having a laugh if you think liverpool has 2 of the best defenders in the world :hihi: :loopy:


and carragher at right back? mate you seriously have a deluded opinion on liverpool..
He's got a seriously deluded opinion of football in general, a central midfield of Gerrard & Tevez :huh: I rather think Maldini's creaking legs would need a little more protection than that.

Cech
Maldini Carragher Terry Riise
Ronaldo Gerrard Tevez Giggs
Kaka
Drogba

Don't expect subs this has took long enough , as for a manager....Ancelloti

Riise. Oh my f-ing God....

Anyway here's my 11:

................Cech

G. Neville...Rio...Vidic...Evra

........Eissen...Scholes

C. Ronaldo...Kaka...Ronaldinho

...............Drogba

I'm not seriously deluded at all, if anything I am quite happy about it.;)

I don't think Red Nev is the best right back or Cole, but Maldini is one of the greatest defenders there has been and the fact that they are still playing him at 39 is amazing. If it had been best ever then both Maldini and Baresi would have been 2 of the back 4.

i will be honest, i thought you got tevez and kaka the wrong way by accident but now im not too sure..

i never mentioned maldini but i do want you to explain why risse and carragher are the best in the world, carragher even if he plays out of position :confused:
neither of them are the best in the premiership nevermind the world..

George Best and Maradona are without doubt two of the greatest footballers of all time, that doesn't mean they'd make it into a current world 11 though does it.

george best being dead an all :P

Anyway here's my 11:

................Cech

G. Neville...Rio...Vidic...Evra

........Eissen...Scholes

C. Ronaldo...Kaka...Ronaldinho

...............Drogba

And you say i wear red tinted glasses :roll:

Your honestly saying that out of all the players in world football, 6 players from Manchester Utd make up the best 11?

I would imagine if you asked 100 football experts their top 20 players in world football today, 6 of them would not come from the Manchester Utd side!!
Many players/managers (Kaka, Eto'o, Ancelloti) to name a few have said that in their opinion Steven Gerrard is right up their with the very best yet he can't even break into your midfield?? I would predict that any top manager of any top team would take Gerrard over Scholes any day of the week!

i will be honest, i thought you got tevez and kaka the wrong way by accident but now im not too sure..

i never mentioned maldini but i do want you to explain why risse and carragher are the best in the world, carragher even if he plays out of position :confused:
neither of them are the best in the premiership nevermind the world..

OK, would you then like to explain why you have Heinze at LB???? Surely you don't think he is the best LB in world football? He isn't even the best LB in Manchester!

Anyway here's my 11:

................Cech

G. Neville...Rio...Vidic...Evra

........Eissen...Scholes

C. Ronaldo...Kaka...Ronaldinho

...............Drogba

Goodness! only 6 Utd players, what did poor Wayne, Giggsy and Carrick do to make you think so little of them?

And 9/11 from the premiership too.

i will be honest, i thought you got tevez and kaka the wrong way by accident but now im not too sure..
Even if you switch them Gerrard and Kaka is still an absurdly light central midfield of natural attackers hardly known for their defensive abilities.

i never mentioned maldini but i do want you to explain why risse and carragher are the best in the world, carragher even if he plays out of position :confused:
neither of them are the best in the premiership nevermind the world..
Indeed Risse isn't even the best fullback at Liverpool Finnan being much better, as for Carragher the levels of adulation heaped on him by Pool fans is just absurd especially considering how much protection he gets from Benitez's negative tactics.

And you say i wear red tinted glasses :roll:

Your honestly saying that out of all the players in world football, 6 players from Manchester Utd make up the best 11?
No I'm saying that of the players I've seen play much 6 of the 11 play for United, it's a premiership weighted team as I obviously see premiership players most and United weighted as United are the best team in the Premiership and have many of the best player, the PFA team of the season for example woudl suggest I'm far from alone in that opinion.

I would imagine if you asked 100 football experts their top 20 players in world football today, 6 of them would not come from the Manchester Utd side!!
Many players/managers (Kaka, Eto'o, Ancelloti) to name a few have said that in their opinion Steven Gerrard is right up their with the very best yet he can't even break into your midfield?? I would predict that any top manager of any top team would take Gerrard over Scholes any day of the week!
My idea for my team would be for Eissen & Scholes to play fairly deep with Eissen dominating and Scholes pulling the strings in much the same way as he did for United this season with that attacking 4 roaming free ahead of him, Gerrard can't play that role and Kaka is a better attacking midfielder.

Even if you switch them Gerrard and Kaka is still an absurdly light central midfield of natural attackers hardly known for their defensive abilities..
I would hardly call Gerrard and Kaka light. Gerrard is much more than an out and out attacking midfield player!

Indeed Risse isn't even the best fullback at Liverpool Finnan being much better,.
Risse is a left back, Finnan is a right back, how do you compare?

as for Carragher the levels of adulation heaped on him by Pool fans is just absurd especially considering how much protection he gets from Benitez's negative tactics.
Benitez's negative tactics have made him one of the worlds most sought after managers!! Carragher is a fine CB in many peoples eyes, his defending and never say die attitude is to be admired. Only someone a little bitter would claim he is poor!

the PFA team of the season for example woudl suggest I'm far from alone in that opinion..
But this is the world's best 11 so the PFA's team of the season means nothing. As for your comments on seeing most football played in the premiership, as you are a Man U fan, that would mean you have seen Man U play the most, explaining why you have 6 players out of your team in a world 11.

My idea for my team would be for Eissen & Scholes to play fairly deep with Eissen dominating and Scholes pulling the strings in much the same way as he did for United this season with that attacking 4 roaming free ahead of him, Gerrard can't play that role and Kaka is a better attacking midfielder.
Gerrard can play that role perfectly. He is not a sole defensive midfielder like you say but he is not as attack minded as Kaka either. He is what you might call an all round midfielder which would suit the position you explained perfectly.

Gerrard is much more than an out and out attacking midfield player!


Gerrard can play that role perfectly. He is not a sole defensive midfielder like you say but he is not as attack minded as Kaka either. He is what you might call an all round midfielder..

contradicting yourself there a little..

gerrard is an attacking midfielder which is why he never plays well with lampard who is another attacking midfielder..

contradicting yourself there a little....
Not at all. Read the posts fella! I said Gerrard was much more than just an attacking midfielder, he is an all round midfielder. I then went on to say he is not the most defensive player but is not as attacking as Kaka, which he isn't!

gerrard is an attacking midfielder which is why he never plays well with lampard who is another attacking midfielder..
Mate, a midfielder doesn't have to be either defensive or attacking! He can be an all round midfield player which i believe Gerrard is. He can play central, defensive, attacking, wide etc all to good effect. This is why i believe (going back to the debate with Pleck) that Gerrard could play the role Pleck claimed Gerrard couldn't because he would have the cover of Essien. Maybe i am wrong, but IMO Gerrard would be in my first 11 over Scholes and you can bet your life he would be in almost every top managers sides over Scholes also

gerrard is an attacking midfielder which is why he never plays well with lampard who is another attacking midfielder..
Yes they don't play well together but could that be because Lampard totally obandons all defensive responsablity leaving Gerrard to do all the horse work which he admittedly claims he doesn't like. Gerrard with Hargreaves would be much better IMO.

Yes they don't play well together but could that be because Lampard totally obandons all defensive responsablity leaving Gerrard to do all the horse work which he admittedly claims he doesn't like. Gerrard with Hargreaves would be much better IMO.

you have just said gerrard can play a defensive role! make your mind up. if he can play the defensive role then he could play it while lampard attacks.

LFCMadPaul have you seen the news Rick Parry has gone along to the United tribunal to support us in our fight for reinstatment to the PL,good bloke & well done to Liverpool.

you have just said gerrard can play a defensive role! make your mind up. if he can play the defensive role then he could play it while lampard attacks.
Your splitting hairs Preach.
Yes he can play it, as he did in Englands last game, doesn't mean he likes it!
The start of this particular debate was about if Gerrard should be included in a world 11 instead of Scholes. I think he should, though it's only my opinion.

LFCMadPaul have you seen the news Rick Parry has gone along to the United tribunal to support us in our fight for reinstatment to the PL,good bloke & well done to Liverpool.
Just read it now Tosh! Hope the right verdict is come too!

I would hardly call Gerrard and Kaka light. Gerrard is much more than an out and out attacking midfield player!
I'm fascinated just how flimsy would a midfield have to be to coutn as 'light' in your world?

Risse is a left back, Finnan is a right back, how do you compare?
Your deluded fellow traveller pick Maldini (who as you may know till he lost his pace was one of the best ever left backs) to play at right back, I was quite obviously pointing out that if you really must pick Maldini and a Liverpool fullback Finnan and Maldini would be slightly less stupid than Risse and Maldini.

Benitez's negative tactics have made him one of the worlds most sought after managers!!
Not by people who want to see attractive football he isn't.

Carragher is a fine CB in many peoples eyes, his defending and never say die attitude is to be admired. Only someone a little bitter would claim he is poor!
And when did I "claim he is poor"? Do you really not understand that saying Carragher isn't one of the two best central defenders in the world is not the same thing as saying he's "poor"?

But this is the world's best 11 so the PFA's team of the season means nothing.
So the opinions of professional footballers are of no relevance to a discussion on professional footballers :loopy:

As for your comments on seeing most football played in the premiership, as you are a Man U fan, that would mean you have seen Man U play the most, explaining why you have 6 players out of your team in a world 11.
No United winning the League and having a lots of very, very good players explains that.

Gerrard can play that role perfectly. He is not a sole defensive midfielder like you say but he is not as attack minded as Kaka either. He is what you might call an all round midfielder which would suit the position you explained perfectly.
He might be more versatile than Scholes but Gerrards's passing and vision aren't even close as such he would be significantly inferior in Schole's role. Gerrard likes to bomb around the pitch in as free an attacking role as possible whilst others take responsibility for more defensive duties and Ronaldo, Kaka and Ronaldinho are all better than him in the free attacking role so they get in my 11 and he doesn't.

Manager
Jose Mourinho


..........Henry.....Drogba

Ronaldinho...Gerrard...Ronaldo

...............Eissen

A Cole...Terry...Cannavaro....Zambrotta

...............Cech

Subs

Buffon....Gallas....Gattuso......Messi.....Eto'o


Just missing out:

van der Sar......Lúcio.....Lahm.....Fàbregas...Pirlo...... Scholes.....Robben.....Rooney....Adriano

Mate, a midfielder doesn't have to be either defensive or attacking! He can be an all round midfield player which i believe Gerrard is. He can play central, defensive, attacking, wide etc all to good effect. This is why i believe (going back to the debate with Pleck) that Gerrard could play the role Pleck claimed Gerrard couldn't because he would have the cover of Essien.
We all know Gerrard is versatile and can do a job in a number of positions, that doesn't mean he's better than Scholes at what Scholes specialises in doing though, which Gerrard of course isn't.

Adriano
:huh: 2 or 3 seasons back perhaps but now?

:huh: 2 or 3 seasons back perhaps but now?

He is big and strong, he has pace, flair and has the knack of scoring goals. If his attitude returns he is young enough to return to the top of the world.

Your splitting hairs Preach.
Yes he can play it, as he did in Englands last game, doesn't mean he likes it!
The start of this particular debate was about if Gerrard should be included in a world 11 instead of Scholes. I think he should, though it's only my opinion.

no, it stated from merseyman incredulously suggesting carragher was the 2nd best right back in the world, behind maldini :confused:

Your splitting hairs Preach.
Yes he can play it, as he did in Englands last game, doesn't mean he likes it!
Or that he's amongst the worlds best at it, which he obviously isn't.

It's just bizarre that you're so insistent that Gerrard is the world best attacking midfielder considering how rarely your own manager (whom you also seem to idolise) plays him in that position.

I think that whenever a new thread concerning football is put up there should be a limited ammount of replys from each forum member. At the minute as soon as a new football thread is introduced you get a few answers and then plekhanov and LFCMadPaul decide to have a slanging match which spoils the thread. Why they both can't confine their nursery antics to the pub or whatever and try and act more grown up on here. :rolleyes:

Fire away you pair,I've got a thick skin. :P

:huh: 2 or 3 seasons back perhaps but now?

Can you not just simply disagree with someones opinion without patronising them? :huh:

For what its worth, mine would be

Cech

Zambrotta Cannavaro Terry Lahm

Ronaldo Kaka Gerrard Messi

Drogba Eto'o

Subs:

G. Neville, Puyol, Pirlo, Ribery, Ronaldhino


Harsh on the following:

Rooney, Ibrihimovic, Kolo Toure, Joaquin, Kone, Simao, Tevez(:rant:), Carragher, Essien

I think that whenever a new thread concerning football is put up there should be a limited ammount of replys from each forum member. At the minute as soon as a new football thread is introduced you get a few answers and then plekhanov and LFCMadPaul decide to have a slanging match which spoils the thread. Why they both can't confine their nursery antics to the pub or whatever and try and act more grown up on here. :rolleyes:

Fire away you pair,I've got a thick skin. :P

Thank you scottishdude!

Nobody can have a personal opinion without Plekhenov dismissing it to spoilt child effect. It would be nice if people could agree to disagree in a gentlemanly manner with resorting to personal insults and degrading comments.

I think that whenever a new thread concerning football is put up there should be a limited ammount of replys from each forum member. At the minute as soon as a new football thread is introduced you get a few answers and then plekhanov and LFCMadPaul decide to have a slanging match which spoils the thread. Why they both can't confine their nursery antics to the pub or whatever and try and act more grown up on here. :rolleyes:

Fire away you pair,I've got a thick skin. :P
What was that you were saying about ''nursery antics' and acting 'grown up' (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=216508)'?

Can you not just simply disagree with someones opinion without patronising them? :huh:
In what way was the post of mine you objected to patronising?

Thank you scottishdude!

Nobody can have a personal opinion without Plekhenov dismissing it to spoilt child effect. It would be nice if people could agree to disagree in a gentlemanly manner with resorting to personal insults and degrading comments.
pot kettle black, my posts in this thread have all been on topic and unlike you (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2296264&postcount=34), i don't make a habit of making post which are nothing but personal attacks on people (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1983969&postcount=111).

I think Plekhanov V LFC Mad Paul is a great spectator sport...........

pot kettle black, my posts in this thread have all been on topic and unlike you (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2296264&postcount=34), i don't make a habit of making post which are nothing but personal attacks on people (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1983969&postcount=111).

I wont deny that, which is fortunate because I can't. I apologise for any offence caused to Guderian and I am defenceless. What I would like to see though is people feel free to pop up their opinions without wondering what response it would bring.





You idiot ;) :hihi:

So the opinions of professional footballers are of no relevance to a discussion on professional footballers :loopy:.
Yes, very much so:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6715321.stm
http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=43503
http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=41477
http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=40108
http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=39721

Some very good, expert opinions there! It's funny but, they all seem to think that Gerrard is an 'all round' player aswell who can pass brilliantly, tackle, defend, attack, score goals etc etc.

He might be more versatile than Scholes but Gerrards's passing and vision aren't even close as such he would be significantly inferior in Schole's role..
Don't talk rubish! Gerrards passing is top draw as is his vision. Gerrard is in no way inferior to Scholes and if you really think that then you really are very very diluded!

Gerrard likes to bomb around the pitch in as free an attacking role as possible whilst others take responsibility for more defensive duties
Are you saying Gerrard doesn't take responsabilty for defensive duties yet Scholes does?? Surely not! Scholes is a great player but as a defensive midfielder he is average at best. He is the worlds worst tackler!
In your opinion (going on what you have said) Scholes is better than Gerrard at passing, defending, has better vision and can control a game better, whereas Gerrard is only more versatile! Iv'e never heard so much tripe.

Or that he's amongst the worlds best at it, which he obviously isn't.

It's just bizarre that you're so insistent that Gerrard is the world best attacking midfielder considering how rarely your own manager (whom you also seem to idolise) plays him in that position.
It's not just me Plekh, many many players and managers think Gerrard is amongst the worlds best, as i've shown. You don't and that's fine but your opinion compared to the people i've quoted means nothing.
As for Benitez, i don't idolise him but i do think he is doing a good job and has a record that is not even debatable. Real Madrid think he is a great manager also, hence why they have tried to poach him on several occasions.

I think that whenever a new thread concerning football is put up there should be a limited ammount of replys from each forum member. At the minute as soon as a new football thread is introduced you get a few answers and then plekhanov and LFCMadPaul decide to have a slanging match which spoils the thread. Why they both can't confine their nursery antics to the pub or whatever and try and act more grown up on here. :rolleyes:

Fire away you pair,I've got a thick skin. :P
My opologies! I have to admit it does often turn out like that it's just sometimes he is so infuriating.
Oh well i'll leave it there.
If Plekh wants to be so bias as to claim that 6 of Man Utd's players make up the 11 best players in the world today and that Steven Gerrard is no more than a versatile player who neglects his defensive responsabilities, then who am i to argue ;)

I think Plekhanov V LFC Mad Paul is a great spectator sport...........

its more of a sport than cheerleading :rolleyes:

It's not just me Plekh, many many players and managers think Gerrard is amongst the worlds best, as i've shown. You don't and that's fine but your opinion compared to the people i've quoted means nothing.
As for Benitez, i don't idolise him but i do think he is doing a good job and has a record that is not even debatable. Real Madrid think he is a great manager also, hence why they have tried to poach him on several occasions.
So answer the question, if as you seem to be claiming it's simply inconceivable for me not to put Gerrard in the central midfield of my world 11 why does Gerrard's own manager so rarely play him in that very position?

This has turned into yet another "I'm right you're wrong" thread.

I'm right. Probably. Kiss kiss.

So answer the question, if as you seem to be claiming it's simply inconceivable for me not to put Gerrard in the central midfield of my world 11 why does Gerrard's own manager so rarely play him in that very position?
The season just gone Gerrard has played alot of games in the middle!
Benetez has used Gerrard on the right yes, taking into consideration that we are very strong in the middle with Alonso, Mascherano and Sissoko, he maybe felt that Gerrard could be better used at this moment in time on the right and do a better job than Pennant. Gerrard has played the majority of games however just in behind the strikers this season. The season before i give you, he did play on the right on many occasions scoring 20+ goals in the process, again proving his versatility

The season just gone Gerrard has played alot of games in the middle!
Benetez has used Gerrard on the right yes, taking into consideration that we are very strong in the middle with Alonso, Mascherano and Sissoko, he maybe felt that Gerrard could be better used at this moment in time on the right and do a better job than Pennant. Gerrard has played the majority of games however just in behind the strikers this season.
If Gerrard is so much better than everyone else in the middle why does Benetez keep on buying central midfielders rather than wingers and strikers?

If he was completely happy with Gerrard in the middle wouldn't he play him there and strengthen the positions Liverpool are weak in?

The season before i give you, he did play on the right on many occasions scoring 20+ goals in the process, again proving his versatility
Why do you keep on repeating this blatantly false claim? Gerrard has scored 20+ goals just once in 2005-6 (with 5 of those only coming against a tiny Welsh team when EUFA let Liverpool into Europe through the back door) his next best was 13.

And you say i wear red tinted glasses :roll:

Your honestly saying that out of all the players in world football, 6 players from Manchester Utd make up the best 11?
So? you picked 5 Chelsea players, players who unlike United's didn't win the league.

If Gerrard is so much better than everyone else in the middle why does Benetez keep on buying central midfielders rather than wingers and strikers?.
Is it not common knowledge that Benitez is scouring the world over for wingers and strikers? The Spanish league is now over and you may see these players arriving!

If he was completely happy with Gerrard in the middle wouldn't he play him there and strengthen the positions Liverpool are weak in?.
As above, you have repeated your question but just to add, with only Pennant as a naturally right sidded player, Gerrard was often rotated with him or moved out wide when Pennant was either subbed or injured!

Why do you keep on repeating this blatantly false claim? Gerrard has scored 20+ goals just once in 2005-6.
Why is it a false claim i made?? Read the post where i claimed it fella, i said Gerrard has played the majority of games just in behind the strikers this season. The season before i give you, he did play on the right on many occasions scoring 20+ goals in the process, again proving his versatility
The season before last was, if i'm not mistaken 2005/6 was it not. That my friend, is not a false claim!

Plek I picked Maldini because I like him as a player, simple as that, and I really don't think there is a better defender to put at RB in my team.

Carragher has been the most consistant CB in the last 2 or 3 seasons in my opinion. Riise scores goals and is an end to end defender, and after a dodgy season before last was back to his best this season.

Finnan is a steady player who has impressed me since his arrival but I had to find a place for Maldini, a truly fantastic player.

Finally, if we were going to talk about a best ever 11 then Maradonna would not get in before Pele, in fact it would probably be the whole 1970 Brazil team.

Plek I picked Maldini because I like him as a player, simple as that, and I really don't think there is a better defender to put at RB in my team.

Carragher has been the most consistant CB in the last 2 or 3 seasons in my opinion. Riise scores goals and is an end to end defender, and after a dodgy season before last was back to his best this season.

Finnan is a steady player who has impressed me since his arrival but I had to find a place for Maldini, a truly fantastic player.

Finally, if we were going to talk about a best ever 11 then Maradonna would not get in before Pele, in fact it would probably be the whole 1970 Brazil team.

Maradona/Pele??

Have to hand this one to the Argie.

Maradona/Pele??

Have to hand this one to the Argie.
Played together upfront maybe ?? Now what an attack that would be :o

Maradona/Pele??

Have to hand this one to the Argie.

This is definitely one of those that will get split down the middle, but not with terrible puns like that:roll:

i would have dean and pele up front with diego playing just behind them!

dean's brute strength and aerial ability with pele's majestic skill and maradona pulling the strings..

My idea would be for Scholes to be dominating and pulling the strings in much the same way as he did for United this season with that attacking 2 roaming free ahead of him, Gerrard can't play that role and Pele is a better attacker. Diego wouldn't get a game with Scholes around and Gerrard is just so overated

Ok :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

[GK] Petr Cech

[LB] Patrice Evra
[CB] Cannavaro
[CB] Rio Ferdinand
[RB] Maldini

[LM] Ronaldinho
[CM] Steven Gerrard
[CM] Kaka
[RM] C. Ronaldo

[FW] Drogba
[FW] Van nistelrooy

Subsitutes

[GK] Dida
[LB] Risse
[CB] Vidic
[M] Scholes
[FWD] Drogba

I'm puzzled... just who would this World XI play against...? :huh:

What is going on at full-back with all these teams? Riise, Heinze, Evra, Neville, Cole, Maldini....

None of them are great players (anymore in the case of Maldini). It's been clear that England have suffered with a lack of quality in depth for years but I can't believe no-one here has noticed any other overseas contenders in European or International competition who shine in comparison.

What is going on at full-back with all these teams? Riise, Heinze, Evra, Neville, Cole, Maldini....

None of them are great players (anymore in the case of Maldini). It's been clear that England have suffered with a lack of quality in depth for years but I can't believe no-one here has noticed any other overseas contenders in European or International competition who shine in comparison.

I picked Zambrotta! And I dont believe there is a better right back than Nevill around.
Someone else picked Miguel though.

As for Maldini at right back, words fail me.
His legs have gone for a start.

I picked Zambrotta! And I dont believe there is a better right back than Nevill around.
Someone else picked Miguel though.

As for Maldini at right back, words fail me.
His legs have gone for a start.

Zambrotta's a fair shout although I don't think he's the best defensively. I went for Grosso who's ousted Zambrotta from the left back role for Italy.

Gary Neville is a decent solid player, no more. How often does he get a man of the match award for England? (I don't think he gets many for Man U either).

It is a testimony to the lack of competition that the nearest contenders are Micah Richards who has played only 40 odd league games and wants to be a centre back and Luke Young who didn't make it at CB.

What is going on at full-back with all these teams? Riise, Heinze, Evra, Neville, Cole, Maldini....

None of them are great players (anymore in the case of Maldini). It's been clear that England have suffered with a lack of quality in depth for years but I can't believe no-one here has noticed any other overseas contenders in European or International competition who shine in comparison.
People obviously see more English football than any other so it's hardly surprising there's a preponderance of England based players in peoples teams.

As for the full backs people have picked, Evra has been superb this season and Neville has been superb for a very long time, their quality was underlined by just how badly United United missed them when they were injured towards the end of the season. Cole had a poor season with injuries and poor form but for any of the 3 seasons before this one he would have been in my 11.

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:D

People obviously see more English football than any other so it's hardly surprising there's a preponderance of England based players in peoples teams.

As for the full backs people have picked, Evra has been superb this season and Neville has been superb for a very long time, their quality was underlined by just how badly United United missed them when they were injured towards the end of the season. Cole had a poor season with injuries and poor form but for any of the 3 seasons before this one he would have been in my 11.

I don't have much of a problem with ManU supporters picking Neville tbh, I think he's very effective playing for a team he's been a part of for so long. I do think that when you see him on the international stage and in Europe to an extent he looks solid but no way superb.

The argument against Ashley is that he got found out defensively against the better teams in Europe. Since he's tightened up defensively he no longer seems to pose such a threat going forward. It will be interesting to see what he's like this season if injury free.

As for Evra, he's only had 29 PL starts and 5 caps; is it not a touch early to be lauding him as the best left back in the world?

I don't have much of a problem with ManU supporters picking Neville tbh, I think he's very effective playing for a team he's been a part of for so long. I do think that when you see him on the international stage and in Europe to an extent he looks solid but no way superb.
When was the last time any England player was 'superb' 'on the international stage' particularly attacking players? Neville may not have set the world alight when playing for England but he and the rest of the back four are generally solid which is more than can be said for most of those playing further up the field.

The argument against Ashley is that he got found out defensively against the better teams in Europe. Since he's tightened up defensively he no longer seems to pose such a threat going forward. It will be interesting to see what he's like this season if injury free.
When do you think he got 'found out'? From what I recall he still seemed pretty good for Arsenal in Europe last season and defensively has for a long time been better able to deal with the likes of Ronaldo than most other defenders.

As for Evra, he's only had 29 PL starts and 5 caps; is it not a touch early to be lauding him as the best left back in the world?
He was by all accounts very good in France as well but anyway I'm not 'lauding him as the best left back' he's simply the best I'm really aware of at the minute. He was good this season not imperious like the likes of Ronaldo & Drogba who had amazing seasons and I don't doubt that it's quite possible others out there are at or above his level at the moment.

When was the last time any England player was 'superb' 'on the international stage' particularly attacking players? Neville may not have set the world alight when playing for England but he and the rest of the back four are generally solid which is more than can be said for most of those playing further up the field.

I grant you that England's style isn't geared to making players look great but is this a chicken and egg situation? Is it that the qualities of the players dictate the style of play? Would a great fullback (Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Lizerazu, Maldini etc) impose their game whatever the team tactics?

When do you think he got 'found out'? From what I recall he still seemed pretty good for Arsenal in Europe last season and defensively has for a long time been better able to deal with the likes of Ronaldo than most other defenders.

No, he's always been quick and athletic so shackling Ronaldo is playing to his strengths. Where he got found out time and again in Europe was the diagonal ball in behind him. Luckily for Cole there aren't many players like Deco or Aimar in the Prem.

I grant you that England's style isn't geared to making players look great but is this a chicken and egg situation? Is it that the qualities of the players dictate the style of play? Would a great fullback (Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Lizerazu, Maldini etc) impose their game whatever the team tactics?
Many people seem to consider Beckham, Gerrard & Lampard 'great', yet they've put in anonymous performances for England for years, I find it rather confusing as to why you are focussing on Neville in this regard.

No, he's always been quick and athletic so shackling Ronaldo is playing to his strengths. Where he got found out time and again in Europe was the diagonal ball in behind him. Luckily for Cole there aren't many players like Deco or Aimar in the Prem.
Well I guess we'll just have to see how well he does for Chelsea in Europe next season won't we.

Many people seem to consider Beckham, Gerrard & Lampard 'great', yet they've put in anonymous performances for England for years, I find it rather confusing as to why you are focussing on Neville in this regard.

None of the former appeared in half a dozen 'World XIs', (Beckham and Lampard have appeared in none).

Many people seem to consider Beckham, Gerrard & Lampard 'great', yet they've put in anonymous performances for England for years, I find it rather confusing as to why you are focussing on Neville in this regard.
If, let's say Gerrard (or Lampard for that matter) were put up for sale and at the same time Man Utd decided to let Neville go and (for arguements sake) they were all put up for £5m pound and offered to the other top 10 teams in the world....... would they sign Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard or Gary Neville??

My guess is that 99% would take Gerrard, 1% might take Lampard and i would bet my house Neville would have no takers at all!!

He's good Plekh, but not in Stevie's league!!!

It's not just me Plekh, many many players and managers think Gerrard is amongst the worlds best, as i've shown. You don't and that's fine but your opinion compared to the people i've quoted means nothing.
As for Benitez, i don't idolise him but i do think he is doing a good job and has a record that is not even debatable. Real Madrid think he is a great manager also, hence why they have tried to poach him on several occasions.

Gerrard on form is world class. As I have posted before though, he is far too inconsistent. Moreover, the media kiss his arse. Even in games where he evaporates on the pitch, he is tagged as man of the match. He is often upstaged by Alonso and Sissoko (underrated) but seems to get away with it.

I would also argue that he has been very poor for England, whereas other 'world class' players such as Deco, Figo, Zidane, Riquelme, Ronaldo etc seem to perform consistently for club and country. Going back further, the likes of dragan stojakovic and lothar matthaus were what you would consider truly world class midfielders.

Gerrard on form is world class. As I have posted before though, he is far too inconsistent. Moreover, the media kiss his arse. Even in games where he evaporates on the pitch, he is tagged as man of the match. He is often upstaged by Alonso and Sissoko (underrated) but seems to get away with it.

I would also argue that he has been very poor for England, whereas other 'world class' players such as Deco, Figo, Zidane, Riquelme, Ronaldo etc seem to perform consistently for club and country. Going back further, the likes of dragan stojakovic and lothar matthaus were what you would consider truly world class midfielders.
I'm sorry Mike but i can't agree with that. Gerrard for me is one of our most consistant performers in my eyes (especially for Liverpool). It seems he can't win. There is so many claiming that Gerrard carries Liverpool and that they are a one man team, then you have another section claiming he is poor and overated! I know one thing, i wouldn't swap him for any other midfielder in the world!

This thread is turning into a "Save and Justify" Gerrard for a World 11 benefit concert.
Here are a few names to conjure with to help you make a decision if,
1 Gerrard should be included in a World 11
2 How far Up/Down the pecking order he would be if included.

I have made 2 lists which put the players in their natural position, albeit they can be versatile.

Attacking Midfielders.

Ronaldinho
Deco
Kaka
Van Der Vart
Riquelme
Totti
Messi
Kallstrom
Ribery
Aimar

Defensive Midfielders

Juninho
Lampard
Pirlo
Xabi Alonso
Gerrard
Ballack
Viera
Essien
Gattuso
Fabregas

Let the judging commence. :cool:

Goalkeeper: Petr Cech
Right Back:Philip Lahm
Left Back:Patrice Evra
Centre Back:Rio Ferdinand and Nemaja Vidic
Right Midfielder:Cristiano Ronaldo
Left Midfielder:Lionel Messi
Centre Midfielder:Mikel Ballack and Steven Gerrard
Strikers:Carlos Tevez and Fernando Torres

Subs:
Van Der Sar
Terry
Anderson
Nani
Benzema

GK Buffon
LB Lahm
RB Daniel Alves
CB Vidic
CB Nesta
AM Kaka
AM Cristiano Ronaldo
CM Fabrigas
CM Ballack (C)
LF Messi
RF Torres

Subs
GK Casillas
D Cannavaro
M Arshavin
F Villa

Manager
Sir Alex Ferguson

but the best ever would be

GK Schmeichel
D Cafu
D Maldini
D Beckenabuer (C)
D Carlos
M Maradona
M Cruyff
M Zidane
M Figo
F Pele
F Ronaldo

GK Buffon
LB Lahm
RB Daniel Alves
CB Vidic
CB Nesta
AM Kaka
AM Cristiano Ronaldo
CM Fabrigas
CM Ballack (C)
LF Messi
RF Torres

Subs
GK Casillas
D Cannavaro
M Arshavin
F Villa

Manager
Sir Alex Ferguson

but the best ever would be

GK Schmeichel
D Cafu
D Maldini
D Beckenabuer (C)
D Carlos
M Maradona
M Cruyff
M Zidane
M Figo
F Pele
F Ronaldo

What no Besty Greaves DiStefano,Puskas,Yashin Matthews

yeh besty was amazing a true utd legend as are many others like jinky johnson and joe jordan but they never get mentions either the midfield was definetly hard to pick because so many were goodbut as you can see no british players made it into either of my teams what does that say about our loverly game...or me haha

----------------------Cech-----------------------
bosingwa-----terry----ferdinand-------daniel alves
C Ronaldo-----Kaka----Ronaldinho--------Messi--
----------Henry-----------------Torres----------

Subs
Rooney
Drogba
Lampard
Gerard
Zlatan

Casillas

S.Ramos Ferdinand Cannavaro Alves

Ronaldo Kaka Ronaldhino Messi

Drogba Torres

(Imagine them 4 in midfield when on form!)

Casillas

S.Ramos Ferdinand Cannavaro Alves

Ronaldo Kaka Ronaldhino Messi

Drogba Torres

(Imagine them 4 in midfield when on form!)

Can't see many of them defending though! Could be a high scoring game :hihi:

Toughy....

1) Casillas - Best Keeper in the world at the moment

2) Dani Alves - Tireless attacking right back who can play aswell
3) Rio Ferdinand
+ - Best defensive partnership in the world
4) Nemanja Vidic
5) Patrice Evra - Like Alves but on the left

6) Cristiano Ronaldo - On his the day, unplayable
7) Frank Lampard - Guarenteed goals and midfield prowess
8) Kaka - Zidane with pace??

9) Lionel Messi - The best player in the world at the moment
10) Fernando Torres - Goal machine
11) Samuel Eto'o - Goal machine and all around nutcase

Can't see many of them defending though! Could be a high scoring game :hihi:

casilles used to it, he's at real madrid remember..... whats defending lol

GK - casslllas - Real Madrid

- Sergio Ramos - Real Madrid
- John Terry - Chelsea
- Carlos Puyol - Barcelona

- Steve Gerrard - Liverpool
- Cesc Fabregas - Arsenal
- Ribery - Bayern
- Kaka - Milan

- Wayne Rooney - Manchester Unt
- Messi - Barcelona
- Samuel Etoo - Barcelona

(you must admit theyd take some beating)

OH and LEWIS HAMILTON driving the team bus ;-)

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