I think this may be a long shot but anyway, had anyone read this novel that can help me out with techniques? They give you a few pointers but i'm not sure I understand all of the meanings :help: They are:

form
style
vocabulary
narrative
viewpoint
the ways in which attitudes and values are conveyed to the reader.

Any help appreciated as I have an exam on it this week :o :help: :help:

Just download the Kate Bush song (legally of course)

That will tell you some of the story etc.

Kate bush song? Don't know what you mean sorry :huh:

Have you read the novel ?

Oh god i've just heard kate bush on you tube, what garbage!

Nick2 yes i've read it :) well actually that's a lie, no I haven't read it, I got the audio version :)

Kate bush song? Don't know what you mean sorry :huh:

What???? Ask your parents!!!

You have read the book haven't you? If you're struggling I'd suggest picking up a revision guide to give you a few ideas. Surely you've been through it in class too though?

I have done the course work but i've had a pretty stressful year so not much has sunk in as I found out yesterday for my other exam :(

Oh god i've just heard kate bush on you tube, what garbage!

Nick2 yes i've read it :) well actually that's a lie, no I haven't read it, I got the audio version :)

a) Kate Bush is class - FACT

b) I think if you had read the novel it would be easier to answer the question. Get it now and read it, it will only take a couple of hours. You get more of a feel of a novel from reading it yourself.

Only a couple of hours? I haven't even got the book :( I think i'm doomed :cry:

Kate Bush is class - FACT
I just can't stand the voice

Nick2 yes i've read it :) well actually that's a lie, no I haven't read it, I got the audio version :)

And therein lies your problem. Buy the book, read it (you've got plenty of time before your exam) and make notes in the margins on those topics you listed as you go along.

Sorry, but I really don't think any pointers we can give you will be of any use anyway until you've read the book. Getting the audio version is just lazy, and the text won't sink in (or jump out) if you're just listening to it. Listening is passive, reading is active. You can also post any questions or comments that you think of as you're reading on here, and I'm sure you'll get some feedback.

PS- Apologies to all those who enjoy audio books, but this is not the way to swot up for an English lit exam.

Good luck :thumbsup:

Only a couple of hours? I haven't even got the book :( I think i'm doomed :cry:

Go to the library, or see if you can find it online.

(tip : http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/9/16/frameset.html)

Only a couple of hours? I haven't even got the book :( I think i'm doomed :cry:

No you're not. Your exam is next week, so go and buy the book now. It's a classic so it'll only be a couple of quid. Or order if from Amazon and I bet they'll deliver it before Friday.

PMA!

Kate bush song? Don't know what you mean sorry :huh:

Years ago (way back in the 80s) Kate Bush did a song called Wuthering Heights.

It goes something like this:

Out on the wily, windy moors we roll and fall in breeze
you had a temper, like me jealousy, too hot too greedy
How could you leave me? When I needed to possess you
I hated you and loved you to.

Bad dreams in the night
You told me I was going to lose the fight
Leave behind my wuthering, wuthering, wuthering heights.

Heathcliff
It's me Cathy I've come home and I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Heathcliff
It's me Cathy I've come home and I'm so cold
Let me in your window

Ooh it gets dark
It gets lonely
On the other side from you
I cry a lot, I hide a lot
So cool without you
I'm coming back love
Cruel Heathcliff
My one dream, my only master

Too long I roam in the night
Coming back to his side to put it right
Leave behind my wuthering wuthering wuthering heights

Chorus again

Ooh, let me have it
Let me grab your soul away
Ooh, let me have it let me grab your soul away
You know, it's me Cathy

Chorus again

That's it as I can remember anyway.

I have it on MP3 at home.

My exam is THIS week. On Friday AM :(

You'll have to make an emergency trip to the Library then.

Luckily most Libraries in Sheff do a late night opening till 7 on Wednesdays.

*cough*

http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/9/16/frameset.html

My exam is THIS week. On Friday AM :(

Looks like you're pulling an all-nighter with a hard copy of Wuthering Heights, a study guide and a pencil then doesn't it.

My advice is to stop posting on here, head out to a book shop or library, and get is sorted.

JFDI!!!

*cough*

http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/9/16/frameset.html

Oh you are a star, thankyou thankyou thankyou.......:D

Looks like you're pulling an all-nighter with a hard copy of Wuthering Heights, a study guide and a pencil then doesn't it.

My advice is to stop posting on here, head out to a book shop or library, and get is sorted.

JFDI!!!

I can't, got my two little darlings to fetch in a little while who will keep me busy till at least 11pm :(

Excuse me whilst I scream....

But what am I looking for? What is form? and structure? I'm not a thick person (usually get an A in english exams) Just had a very very stressful acedemic year

here - read these:
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/wuthering/

then get back to us :thumbsup:

here - read these:
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/wuthering/

then get back to us :thumbsup:

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I googled 'wuthering heights study guide' and got several different ones, so if you can't find what you're looking for on that site, there are others to choose from :thumbsup:

I can't, got my two little darlings to fetch in a little while who will keep me busy till at least 11pm :(

Excuse me whilst I scream....
You need a baby sitter for the evening ;)

I can't, got my two little darlings to fetch in a little while who will keep me busy till at least 11pm :(

Excuse me whilst I scream....

But what am I looking for? What is form? and structure? I'm not a thick person (usually get an A in english exams) Just had a very very stressful acedemic year

Erm... trip to the library with them on the way home, and then a night of reading to them?

Erm... trip to the library with them on the way home, and then a night of reading to them?

You don't know my little darlings :hihi: oh well i'm used to late nights :D

It's my favourite book ever and the film versions only tell half the story (for some bizarre reason).

In fact I like mostly all the Bronte novels, they're so hard and yet beautiful. Anyone who's ever been to Haworth will realise where the inspiration came from surrounded by the moors and the harsh weather.

Yes, if I were a book I'd like to be Wuthering Heights.

Get it read, you'll love it.

I'm reading i'm reading :hihi: You are all going to come back and help when i'm finished reading right? :suspect: :D

well get on with it then!!!

We're all sat here waiting with baited breath!!

What is "wuthering" exactly ?

Do people go for a good wuther on the moors ?

Kate bush song? Don't know what you mean sorry :huh:

"Heathcliff,
it's me Kathy,
I come home now"

Get it read, you'll love it.
I tried it and just couldn't get into it. I found myself getting wound up by it but i can't remember the reasons why. I had the same problem with Oscar Wilde aswell, something about their tone just annoyed me.

Oh my god! how can anyone not love Wuthering Heights? If you've got a Penguin classic turn to page 122 the pinnacle of the book and the point where we discover Catherine's enduring painful love for Heathcliff. I've just pulled out my 20 year old copy and at the age of 16, I've scribbled in the margin - BEST BIT!! :)
I've also written that I found this bit the laying of Heathcliff's mindset. "I'm trying to settle how I shall pay Hindley back.... before I do!"
I've got an audio tape of me arguing a case about the houses reflecting the personalities of the characters who reside in them, that the Linton's place is very showy and Wuthering Heights everything revolves around the fire, the heart as matters of love do there. Fiery and passionate. Our narrator Nelly Dean is a meddling old cow and Lockwood asks the questions we want to hear... Glad to hear this is back on the A level syllabus:) Alarmed you've not read it yet.
Sit down and read it tonight with a can (or seven) of redbull. It's a tale of passion, violence, ghostly horror, (love the bits where the wrists are being slashed over the glass!) Heathcliff is your typical lovable brute who pretends not to care but cares oh so very much.

Out on the wily, windy moors we roll and fall in breeze green
you had a temper, like me my jealousy, too hot too greedy
How could you leave me? When I needed to possess you
I hated you and loved you to.

Bad dreams in the night
You told me I was going to lose the fight
Leave behind my wuthering, wuthering, wuthering heights.

Heathcliff
It's me I'm Cathy I've come home and I'm so cold
Let me in at your window
Heathcliff
It's me Cathy I've come home and I'm so cold
Let me in your window

Ooh it gets dark
It gets lonely
On the other side from you
I cry a lot, I hide find a lot
So cool Falls through without you
I'm coming back love
Cruel Heathcliff
My one dream, my only master

Too long I roam in the night
Coming back to his side to put it right
Leave behind my wuthering wuthering wuthering heights

Chorus again

Ooh, let me have it
Let me grab your soul away
Ooh, let me have it let me grab your soul away
You know, it's me Cathy

Chorus again

That's it as I can remember anyway.

I have it on MP3 at home.

B-. See me :hihi:

I always thought it was:
Out on the win-dy windy moor, sweet Roland rolls in brie.

a) Kate Bush is class - FACT

b) I think if you had read the novel it would be easier to answer the question. Get it now and read it, it will only take a couple of hours. You get more of a feel of a novel from reading it yourself.

A couple of hours?? I spent from 8:30 till gone 11:30 last night reading and only got to chapter 8 :o I must be a slow reader :suspect:

Everyone was right though, I'm getting a much better idea of the story and the characters from reading it

It takes me about an hour to decipher one paragraph of Joseph's. It can be quite heavy going in places. The better versions more or less have a translation at the rear (though this too can break the reading up a bit).

It took me ages to read so you really need some quality time alone in order to get through it. I think I've read it twice, or two and a half times!

What is "wuthering" exactly ?

Do people go for a good wuther on the moors ?

I think 'wuther' refers to stormy weather - gales, rain, thunder, darknes etc etc - as in it were reet wuthering up on't moor today

or something like that?

Ok so i've got the form thing it is a novel and therefore a prose text?

Can anyone offer any advice as to Brontes writing style and choice of language features please? I have noticed she uses quite a bit of imagery so far and she is very descriptive both of the people and surroundings.

have you tried cross posting this to the writers' group?

ah! Kittenta - I've just ditched a whole job lot of Wuthering Heights notes :rolleyes:

*going to look if I've kept any*

Just my luck!

I'm upto Chapter 15 now. Don't think i'm going to read this intime to find out what I need to know :help: I can't believe reading the novel is so different to listening to it!

Relate the characters to the metaphors relating to nature and they'll love it. Heathcliff's name encompasses nature and the moors 'heath' 'cliff'. No one else in the world has a name like that, it's very peculiar. Narrative is important, because you rarely have a reliable one. It begins with that namby pamby bloke who is a bad judge of character (he calls heathcliff a 'capital fellow') and Nelly is a bit of a gossip so it's difficult to trust her too.

Relate the characters to the metaphors relating to nature and they'll love it. Heathcliff's name encompasses nature and the moors 'heath' 'cliff'. No one else in the world has a name like that, it's very peculiar. Narrative is important, because you rarely have a reliable one. It begins with that namby pamby bloke who is a bad judge of character (he calls heathcliff a 'capital fellow') and Nelly is a bit of a gossip so it's difficult to trust her too.

Got any examples of what you mean?

Reading through is Nelly, Ellen and Mrs Dean all one person? :huh:

In terms of structure, think about the fact that the book is in two halves, and the *ghosts* of the first half hang heavy over the action of the second half. Also, the wild upper house and more genteel house in the valley (and their residents) are like an exploration of the civilized and wild, dark sides of human nature. Think also of how many characters have similar names, and with the intermarriage, inter-relation and moving between houses, the close-knit web of characters is really very incestuous. There is a very claustrophobic, trapped quality to the community in the novel, which bears great contrast to the wild savagery of the weather and the land. The elements and moors are really like a character in themselves, compelling the human characters and their impulses. Cathy and Heathcliff go back into the earth and become part of the wild elements again, overpowering the people still alive. Civilized human nature and rational free will are something of a mirage, and the force of nature will always win out.

Will that do?

I always thought it was:
Out on the win-dy windy moor, sweet Roland rolls in brie.

You had Distemper, like my jealous eel, too hot, too greasy.

Just to add, if you didn't already know, there's a programme tonight on BBC2 at 11.20 about Romantic heroines in the Bronte/Austen firmament. The programme last night about the male heroes of the books was excellent. Pity if you missed it. But tonight's might prompt some ideas about Cathy and Heathcliff.

Just to add, if you didn't already know, there's a programme tonight on BBC2 at 11.20 about Romantic heroines in the Bronte/Austen firmament. The programme last night about the male heroes of the books was excellent. Pity if you missed it. But tonight's might prompt some ideas about Cathy and Heathcliff.


Thanks for that although I think that maybe on a little late for me!

I have crammed as much in as i'm going to, my brain is about to explode so what I don't know now i'll have to do without!

Ok ok, I know you are all dying to know what question I got this morning :D Ok maybe you aren't but i'm going to tell you anyway :hihi: They wanted to know what was the importance of the dwelling wuthering heights.

Wasn't too bad was it :)

Ok ok, I know you are all dying to know what question I got this morning :D Ok maybe you aren't but i'm going to tell you anyway :hihi: They wanted to know what was the importance of the dwelling wuthering heights.

Wasn't too bad was it :)

Ooh maybe I should have lent you my tape of me whittering on about fires. Spooky I thought you'd be writing about the significance of the houses (see my post 33). I hope you talked lots about the gothic nature, the wind and desolate nature of the property and the importance of the huge fire and the fact it is out when they return.

I'm gonna reread it this holiday :D

Ooh maybe I should have lent you my tape of me whittering on about fires. Spooky I thought you'd be writing about the significance of the houses (see my post 33). I hope you talked lots about the gothic nature, the wind and desolate nature of the property and the importance of the huge fire and the fact it is out when they return.

I'm gonna reread it this holiday :D

erm...actually I mumbled on abouts it connection with nature and it's representation of a certain class and it's contrast to that of Thrushcroft Grange and the types of people that reside there. :( That's a big fat F for me then :o :hihi:

erm...actually I mumbled on abouts it connection with nature and it's representation of a certain class and it's contrast to that of Thrushcroft Grange and the types of people that reside there. :( That's a big fat F for me then :o :hihi:

No that's all hunkydory too. :) (apart from your its)

Oh yes, well spotted, didn't do that in the exam, honest :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv0azq9GF_g

Due to this thread I decided to read Wuthering Heights for (IIRC) the third time. I have just read chapters 15 and 16, the most central chapters of the book in which Cathy finally passes away.

Whether it's because I'm older or simply that I'm now a father, I found the emotion and passion in these chapters a great deal heavier than when I first read the book. In essence, the story is incredibly ugly and yet there is a strange inherent beauty about it. The associations with the weather and the moors - particularly in relation to Cathy - are incredible.

Even the closing lines of chapter 16 encapsulate pretty much all we need to know about (the now deceased) Catherine Linton:

"The place of Catherine's internment, to the surprise of the villagers, was neither in the chapel, under the carved monument of the Lintons, nor yet by the tombs of her own relations, outside. It was dug on a green slope, in a corner of the kirkyard, where the wall is so low that the heath and bilberry plants have climbed over it from the moor; and peat mould almost buries it."

Quite from where Emily Bronte got the ideas of this book from, I know not, but in places it seems to be the work of a mad woman! It's cruel and twisted and yet, beautiful.

Maybe there's a bit of us all in Wuthering Heights, be it in Catherine Earnshaw/Linton, Edgar Linton, Nellie Dean or of course, Heathcliff (Lord forbid!).

B-. See me :hihi:

Oh well, a B- isn't too bad I suppose, got most of it right :D

Oh my god! how can anyone not love Wuthering Heights? If you've got a Penguin classic turn to page 122 the pinnacle of the book and the point where we discover Catherine's enduring painful love for Heathcliff. I've just pulled out my 20 year old copy and at the age of 16, I've scribbled in the margin - BEST BIT!! :)
I've also written that I found this bit the laying of Heathcliff's mindset. "I'm trying to settle how I shall pay Hindley back.... before I do!"
I've got an audio tape of me arguing a case about the houses reflecting the personalities of the characters who reside in them, that the Linton's place is very showy and Wuthering Heights everything revolves around the fire, the heart as matters of love do there. Fiery and passionate. Our narrator Nelly Dean is a meddling old cow and Lockwood asks the questions we want to hear... Glad to hear this is back on the A level syllabus:) Alarmed you've not read it yet.
Sit down and read it tonight with a can (or seven) of redbull. It's a tale of passion, violence, ghostly horror, (love the bits where the wrists are being slashed over the glass!) Heathcliff is your typical lovable brute who pretends not to care but cares oh so very much.

damnit, now i want to go and read this all over again! and of course its hidden in a box that needs to be unpacked. grrr.

damnit, now i want to go and read this all over again! and of course its hidden in a box that needs to be unpacked. grrr.

Lol, me too. There was a thread about funny books and I suddenly crved rereading all my favourites, but they're locked away in a cellar in Walkley! Aaaaarrrgh!

To Ousetunes: I find the Brontes fascinating for some of the reasons you point at. I think the psychology and dynamics of that intense and tragic Bronte household are amazing to contemplate.

I must say I have enjoyed reading this thread....Kittenta...have you got the results yet....I am on tenterhooks!!!!

I don't know why I was drawn to this thread....I'm 50...I haven't read the book and I have no intention of reading the book...all that love and passion just doesn't compete with a Haynes Manual!!!. :lol:

Lol.

Hayne's manual?! Even I've read more serious stuff than that.

Why only last year I was reading HG Wells' War of the Worlds, and I have the last Harry Potter book pre-ordered on Amazon.

I got an over all D :(:( For the two exams I was wittering about on here, I got two E's. How depressing is that! No, even more depressing is that, today, I start A2 and guess what book we are looking at :rant::rant: Oh well, off to compare wuthering with a french thingies woman :roll:

"Heathcliff's name encompasses nature and the moors 'heath' 'cliff'. No one else in the world has a name like that, it's very peculiar. "

Bill Cosby's character in the Cosby Show is called "Heathcliff Huxtable", so not quite "no one else in the world" ;-)