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John
31-07-2003, 15:10
I read absolutely no newspaper what so ever.

News on TV is rare, so I am not so familiar to this case.

All I know was that quite a few reported to the police and one by one they dropped the charges.

What do you think happened here?

XADRIAN
31-07-2003, 15:11
Dunno really....tabloids will exaggerate to sell a tale.

Ulrika had a book coming out at the time so it did help sales when she put something juicy like this in

Abdul
31-07-2003, 15:25
It's probably the end of John Leslie's TV career...not that it's such a great loss (except to daytime TV ;) )

On the one hand, his supporters says 'innocent until proven guilty' while his accusers say 'No smoke without fire'

I have nothing against the guy, but he is too cheesy, even for British daytime TV and if he isn't on TV again, well I won't be shedding any tears.

Nevertheless, expect his tearful side of the story to be plastered in all the trashy TV ragmags for the next 6 months!

If Ulrika can capitalise on misfortune, then why not he :)

Many thanks

huwj
31-07-2003, 16:06
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halevan
31-07-2003, 16:52
John Leslie is most certainly a ladies man and I have no problem with that, he is young, good looking and had plenty of money whilst he was working. A good catch for the ladies eh?

However, all the complaints against him were of a sexual nature and his enomous appetite for sexual deviancy, well, that is not a crime is it? it sounds to me like sour grapes from these women, they were willing participants weren't they? only making accusations at a later date.

Personally, I blame the women concerned and whatever happened between them and John Leslie was private and they asked for all they got, it is no use screaming rape after they had enjoyed his company and then he moved on. HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED.

Neo
31-07-2003, 17:12
I haven't really been following the case.. I remember reading a newspaper a couple of months back about him being accused to sex scandals and such and he wanted to go to the This Morning studio and claim his innocence on television. The bosses wouldn't let him, and later sacked him I believe from presenting This Morning and replaced him with Phillip Schofield.

Then I just breifly changed the channel to the news and saw that the charges had been dropped and he made an emotional statement to the press about the justice system showing his innocence. I can't see him getting back into presenting morning television after everything that has happened (mainly because bosses would be afraid of the show being given an "image"), but as mentioned it isn't really a great loss is it?

alchresearch
31-07-2003, 17:42
It was interesting to see the TV networks 'unbiased' slant on it:

BBC reports the 'ITV This Morning presenter...'

whilst

ITV reports 'former BBC Blue Peter presenter...'

XADRIAN
01-08-2003, 07:49
Originally posted by Abby
Nevertheless, expect his tearful side of the story to be plastered in all the trashy TV ragmags for the next 6 months!


You must be an oracle Abby........he is selling his side of the story for a few million!!!

dilwise
01-08-2003, 14:47
He has not been found not guilty by a jury. The case has been dropped. Entirely different kettle of fish. Ulrika should either say Joh Leslie assaulted her or no he did not. She owes him that even though she never accused him. People in the media have been aware of Leslie's behaviour towards women for some time. He was always in the gossip columns (3am girls The Mirror) and I was not surprised when Matthew Wright named him.

PaulTansley
01-08-2003, 16:58
I think Halavan says it all that i believe these women have sour grapes.
Although John lesley was found not guilty thats because there was'nt enough evidence to convict him it does not mean to say he did not do it and unfortunately mud sticks and people will say well did he or did'nt he.
Its like saying someone who has no criminal record is trustworthy and would do no wrong, but a lot of people without records are the biggest crookes of all but its just that they have'nt been caught.
Maybe he did maybe he did'nt do it but he has been cleared of all charges and women who are raped by law should be made to report it after the offence and not come forward when someone else starts the ball going.
He is a catch for the ladies and personally think they tried to ruin his charactor which really they have succeeded to do as no woman will look at him in the same way but regarding his career he should be allowed back on prime time T.V and i find him a proffesional in his game and T.V is worse without him.
I would sue the arse of every one that accused him for defination of charactor.

Lickszz
04-08-2003, 00:02
It's a shame we didn't get to find out why the case collapsed. Thousands of pounds wasted on the investigation by this so called Celebrity Squad and the case collapses. Or was it just a case of trial by tabloids?

tinajones
04-08-2003, 00:42
look at the bigger picture:
less than 6% of reported rapes currently end up in a conviction
(in 1977 it was 33%)
and theres loads of unreported cases as most victims know there attackers. so of course one allegation spurs others on.

waxy chuff
04-08-2003, 14:12
The way in which we deal with sexual offences needs a radical revamp. It's still too easy for a defence barrister to get the victim on the stand and create enough doubt for a not guilty verdict. Things like videolink cross-examination, or decent support measures, can help, but I'm doubtful that there'll ever be an entirely fair and equitable way of trying cases like this.

Abdul
04-08-2003, 14:33
Tina / Waxy chuff

You'll find the following link of interest

'We live in a boom time for rape - and for rapists'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,2763,1011076,00.html

waxy chuff
04-08-2003, 14:51
Yeah, read that on the weekend.

Part of the problem is that there are so many factors which naturally make getting a conviction for rape highly unlikely. The forensic factor, for example - for many victims of rape, the first instinct is to get into a bath/shower and wash, which obviously destroys much of the forensic evidence. Then we have situations involving date rape drugs such as Rohypnol, which leave very few traces. Or the issue of consent - rape situations invariably involve just two people in a private place, without other witnesses, and it is very easy for a decent defence lawyer to create a situation in which the defendant could reasonably believe consent to have been granted.

There is still a stigma attached to being the victim of the crime of rape. THAT needs to be tackled first and foremost, as the last British Crime Survey shows us that the crime is still being underreported.

Although, to be fair, the police have come on in leaps and bounds since the seventies. Try reading Terry Thomas' book, Sex Crime, for an interesting evaluation of their progress.