Anyone watching this? I think it has been quite cleverly done.

People who are clearly meant to represent chavs, or at least a stereotypical chav, quoting 'reality' from contemporary records of centuries ago, while in today's world.

Just shows how little has changed, albeit with some subjective quoting.

Opinions?

I thought it was really good getting proper chavs to do it though they obviously weren't stupid. They were quoting 17th century stuff really well. Was the guy who had the brain scan reading the long quotes? I don't think he was, in which case he was really impressive!

I missed it, but I'm going to watch it on 4OD in the next couple of days. Having studied Eng Lit, I'm well aware of the extent to which 'modern' behaviours and attitudes have actually been present for centuries - that goes for all national 'stereotypes' in fact. Despair over falling standards in society goes back to the year dot. I remember reading some Classical Greek tract describing the new wave of delinquent youth, and how things were so much better in the old days. It sounded just like a grumpy old rant that you might find today on... well, Sheffield Forum!

Anyway, after I've had my Gok Wan fix I'll download it and realise that all the above is irrelevant and totally off topic. :hihi:

Anyone watching this? I think it has been quite cleverly done.

People who are clearly meant to represent chavs, or at least a stereotypical chav, quoting 'reality' from contemporary records of centuries ago, while in today's world.

Just shows how little has changed, albeit with some subjective quoting.

Opinions?

Not often that I pop into Entertainment chat' but wondered if anyone else had watched this. It was cleverly done, but an hour was a bit long, I was bored by it by the end.

I wondered how long it would be into the programme that the 'gin' era would be mentioned.:hihi: (foul stuff:gag: )

I missed it, but I'm going to watch it on 4OD in the next couple of days. Having studied Eng Lit, I'm well aware of the extent to which 'modern' behaviours and attitudes have actually been present for centuries - that goes for all national 'stereotypes' in fact. Despair over falling standards in society goes back to the year dot. I remember reading some Classical Greek tract describing the new wave of delinquent youth, and how things were so much better in the old days. It sounded just like a grumpy old rant that you might find today on... well, Sheffield Forum!

Anyway, after I've had my Gok Wan fix I'll download it and realise that all the above is irrelevant and totally off topic. :hihi:

Doubt it ..... "Up Pompeii" is pretty much Plautus word for word, and the Greeks weren't too far behind the door were they, when it came to public debauchery.

It was a shame it was so 'obviously' staged, which is why I agree with *_ash_* that it went on too long, but I thought it was interesting to mix everything up.

I only caught the end of this, but was wondering if anyone knew the name of the poem that was (collectively) recited at the end?

The last line of it was 'As In England'

I've had a search around the net but not been able to find anything as yet.

Cheers

i watched it and was torn between giggling and being horrified.

i understand the premise that basically society now doesnt behave that differently from society a few hundred years ago- not matter how dignified people think they are now.

however, i have to vehemently disagree with the statements about the freedom to fight, the british 'culture' of fighting and how enjoyable it is.

overall though, i enjoyed the program and would like to read some of the work that the quotations were taken from.


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Still not caught it yet, maybe tonight, but I've found this (http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/S/seven_sins/index.html) which gives references for the quotes.

Edit - had a look and I don't think it's all the quotes. Sorry. :(

There is a regular item in The Oldie (http://www.theoldie.co.uk/) called "Voice from the Grave".

For example:

`The ordinary method of replenishing the Party Funds is by the sale of peerages, baronetcies, knighthoods and other honours in return for subscriptions.
The traffic is notorious.
Everyone acquainted in the smallest degree with the inside of politics knows that there is a market for peerages in Downing Street, as he knows that there is a market for cabbages in Covent Garden; he could put his finger upon the very names of the men who have bought their "honours".'






from The Party System, by Hilaire Belloc and Cecil Chesterton,1911.