On Saturday night me,my wife and our kids(10+7),caught a bus to go to a party.We sat at the back in the block of four that face each other.At Firth Park,the driver stopped to let on a group of about 20 youths aged 17-20.
They all pushed on to the bus,half of them not paying.One nerly knocked my wife out of her seat.When they all finally got on,(the driver waited while one finished his fag),they started using foul and crude language.I'm no prude,but as I have stated,I had my young children with me.I turned around and asked politely fo rthem to curb the language.This stopped them for about 2 minutes.When I asked them again,one of them shouted b******s,at the top of his voice.

Then it got really interesting.

The ringleader,the one who finished his fag,pulled his scarf over his head,his hood down over his eyes,and started with the real abuse.


He started trying to wind me up so I would stand up and face him.Chanting schoolboy rhymes about me not having an erection,(I did have my kids with me),and I "don't like niggers".
Now on of his mates started,he was stood at the side of us so we could not move.He was going to "bang me out with his 2 own" if I didn't shut my mouth.All this was said in a ridiculous Ali G style accent.

On any normal occassion,little scrotes like this would not bother me.But,I was outnumbered,and,again,I had the kids there.My only hope were the other passengers.But they were all of the impression that if it didn't affect them,they were all right.

So this leaves the driver.He has at his fingertips a small red button,tht if pressed,gets him straight onto his controllers,and they could have had the police waiting for the bus in town.
What did he do?
Bugger all.

The youths got off at the same stop as us and were even going to get onto the same connecting bus as us,but they saw another few of there miscreant mates and chatted to them while we got away on the bus.

Now today (Monday) 2 of the little scrotes have been into the shop where my wife works,and she has been argung with them one on one.

When I arrived home from work,she told me what had happened,so I advised her to report the incident to the police,in case they wait for her after work when she finishes early.
The polices response was because we cannot give them names,there is nothing they can do.

Up to august I used to work for First so I know the procedure.A letter of complaint has gone to the Managing Director at First,and if I don't get a satisfactory apology within a week,I will take it further.

I would just like to know what my fellow forummers think

What a bunch of tw@ts, sorry for the language but who do they think they are?

Its a Mans worse fear I guess, being completely outnumbered and not being able to protect his wife and kids. I bet they wouldnt have started if you were with a couple of mates.

These people give other young people a bad name - it is these that cause the ungrounded fear that all teeenages/Asians/Blacks/Inner City kids are 'bad'.

Sorry to hear this m8 - hope everything turns out well.

Mat

i understand what your saying,these ingrates rely on safety in numbers,on their own they are quiet as lambs,to be honest you took the best option by not slapping them......now reverse the roll... eg you and a few mates are out without wifey and kids...not a word would have been said by this mob.the driver let you down and his company because once you purchase a valid ticket you are under the bus companies perotection,any thing happening on the bus results in them bieng held responsible for your safety,hope you got the drivers number.......

Originally posted by uncleheed
On Saturday night me,my wife and our kids(10+7),caught a bus to go to a party.

Its a shame what happened and it isn't right, but surely if you've got seventeen kids (thanks for the little maths teaser, by the way) you could've hammered them.

I couldn't speak to the driver when we got off,as they followed us down the bus.I didn't get the bus number as my main prority was getting off the bus safely.I did have all the times though,so hopefully First can trace the bus,bollock the driver and retreive the CCTV footage .

Like the cinema example in another thread, you made the mistake of trying to reason with them - you can't reason with completely brainless morons. It shouldn't be this way but it is - the best thing you could've done would've been to let them get on with their swearing and not draw attention to yourself.

Originally posted by smedley
Its a shame what happened and it isn't right, but surely if you've got seventeen kids (thanks for the little maths teaser, by the way) you could've hammered them.

Theres always one tosser.

Every post you put on here is a sarcastic comment.If you cannot join in a sensible discussion,don't bother posting at all.

It's disgusting...

Let us know what response you back from first ..... i wouldn't hold your breath tho' a driver once swore at me and they did nothing !! :rant:

I was siding with you, mate. Just doing it in a light-hearted way. judging by your attitude, I'm now starting to rethink my allegance.

Seriously though, I've been in the same situation myself. A bunch of skateboarder kids smashed a bottle in the middle of the road I was driving down, and I got out to have a word and they came at me.

Since I had a right to defend myself, I did, and let's just say once you set an example, they soon calm down.

If you do get the footage, MPEG it and stick it on your website. I'd love to see it.

Sorry for being short,but it still sticks what happened.

I couldn't confront the situation,as there was too many of them.Given there ethnicity,I would say at least half a dozen weopons were concealed.You only have to see what has happened to the poor sod in Low Edges to find out what happens when you confront certain people these days.

Not nice, is it?

If you're about my age, and I'm guessing by the age of your offspring that you are, you'll probably remember being on the wrong end of a few clips yourself.

Back in the day all you had to do was look at geezers the wrong way and you got a seeing to. You were getting conkers, you got bashed... Youw ere playing kerby, you got bashed... You were doing anything vaguely 'youthful', you got bashed...

These days you even look at the lairy little b******s and you're down the nick and your hard drive's being examined.

I feel for you dude. It also makes you feel less of a man when it happens in front of the family. Even in outrageous odds, I would have to take a stand. Sometimes you get a beating, but defending your own is what matters.

Anyway, I'm off. Chin-up our kid... One day you'll see one of the little varmints on his own.

Another reason to avoid busses like the plague.

Bit hard when your a Bus Driver yourself don't you think ?

Sorry to hear about this Uncleheed..

Can I ask.. What bus was it and where abouts did they get on/off?

Why can't Britain get tough with these no-hopers and deal with them realistically? So they're big and hard - let them prove it. Send them all to a war zone and see how they cope in a situation like that.
I felt bad just reading of the incident but God knows how I'd have felt if I'd been there in person so can only imagine what it was like.
Sorry to hear of this incident and wish you all a wonderful Christmas.

Originally posted by tiffy
Why can't Britain get tough with these no-hopers and deal with them realistically?
Because the liberals abolished school discipline, tied the hands of the police and are undermining parental authority by attempting to ban smacking.

When people break the law they are treated as victims rather than criminals. They are helped and not punished.

The lawless behaviour we are suffering is a direct result of these policies.

Originally posted by InvalidUser
Because the liberals abolished school discipline, tied the hands of the police and are undermining parental authority by attempting to ban smacking.

When people break the law they are treated as victims rather than criminals. They are helped and not punished.

The lawless behaviour we are suffering is a direct result of these policies.

Absolutely. I am fed up to the back teeth of putting unruly youths with no respect for anyone or anything to the courts, only for them to get rehabilitation orders. They come out of court laughing at you. We seriously need to get tough with these louts and persistant criminals. We need to be putting the victims and innocent citizens first.

We seem to have a growing number of virtually feral youths whose parents are often as bad as they are. I say lets get tough with the lot of them.

Rant over.

I agree!

Let's bring back the birch and give the little buggers a taste of the discipline that they need.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tiffy
[B]Why can't Britain get tough with these no-hopers and deal with them realistically? So they're big and hard - let them prove it. Send them all to a war zone and see how they cope in a situation like that.
:clap:

well said tiffy, again i raise the issue why can't we bring back national service that would certainly sort them out.
most of the youth of today are seen as utter scum, i mean fancy trying to act like ali g why the hell do they want to be someone else unless their own sad life is that boring,white youths pretending to be black get a life.
as for the driver i just find that typical of the people employed by first, the ones that i've come across anyway!
you say send them to a war zone they would'nt have a clue,they would be screaming for their mum,what the hell is happening to todays society?

I'm still relatively young (well compared to all you old people on here :-p)
But whenever there are kids round and one of my mates swears or anything like that, i tell them to keep it down, its not nice, and i do believe it sets a really bad example to these kids!
Toi have no manners, especially when somebody asks them politely to tone it down, is really disrespectful, but sadly thats what some parts of sheffield/england/earth is actually coming to today.

But yeah, as somebody pointed out previously, if there was only a couple of them,, nothing more would have been said on there part, but they know they are safe behind there mates, and there knives, or whichever they may be using that day, it is a sad state of affairs when you cant look after your kids properly,
perhaps the bus driver should have done something, i wasnt there so dont know the full situation, but he didnt and i believe that is something which would need to be addressed by first.

Originally posted by InvalidUser
Because the liberals abolished school discipline, tied the hands of the police and are undermining parental authority by attempting to ban smacking.

When people break the law they are treated as victims rather than criminals. They are helped and not punished.

The lawless behaviour we are suffering is a direct result of these policies.

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little sods, i hope you complained to bus company - did it have camera on bus? some do

its so horrible to read something like this and makes me think Britain isn't so Great anymore. :mad:

We are becoming too soft on little sods like those you encountered and agree with everyone on here that something must be done. their parents have to take some responsibility and because they don't or won't they're just going to breed more and more generations of disrespectful idiots.

But this is an issue thats come up again and again and will continue to do so unless we actually stop talking about it and do something instead!! but really and truly, realistically, what can we do?????

hope your wife and kids are ok uncleheed :)

You can't touch them

The police can't touch them

The magistrates can't touch them

The government can't touch them

Society can't touch them

In all senses, they are The Untouchables. (But can't you just feel the resentment and anger in the decent, law-abiding people of this country beginning to stir......)

Originally posted by Ousetunes
The police can't touch them

The magistrates can't touch them

The government can't touch them

Society can't touch them



But why can't they?

Surely it's time someone woke up to what's happening all over the country now and did something about it.

These people i.e. politicians, magistrates, top police brass etc. get paid lots of money to keep people safe. If they're not doing that, then they should be sacked. Let's get someone in who'll address what's happening on the streets and come up with a way to restore a bit of order and help people feel safe when they're out (and when they're in come to that).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RoyalRegular
[B]But why can't they?

its called "sweeping it under the carpet" leave it to some other poor sucker to deal with ,we're just a nation of no-hopers,we are all doomed.
politicians , magistrates,police have all been brainwashed into treating the morons nice ,oh, we dare not upset them they'll put a claim in for harassment.
people have been rambling on about guns and things, what about introducing a vigilante squad like that crowd in america.
i want to know from what sort of background do these scum come from.
:rant: liberals there as bad as the scum whats walking the earth

Originally posted by RoyalRegular
But why can't they?

Surely it's time someone woke up to what's happening all over the country now and did something about it.

These people i.e. politicians, magistrates, top police brass etc. get paid lots of money to keep people safe. If they're not doing that, then they should be sacked. Let's get someone in who'll address what's happening on the streets and come up with a way to restore a bit of order and help people feel safe when they're out (and when they're in come to that).

They can. If you recall: the government recently gave the police powers to enact ASBO (Ansti-social Behaviour Orders) on people who persistently make a nusience of themselves. If you reported this incident to the police and it was backed up with CCTV from the on-bus camera then the youths could be identified and an order could be placed upon them. I suspect that the order in this case would ban them from using the busses.

There have been similar orders and they can be set up for almost anything. For example there's one shoplifter in Middlesbrough who has an ASBO saying that he can't wear a cap when he's walking around the town centre (it allows him to hide his face from the secuity cameras). If the police find him wearing his cap then he's breached his order and faces a penalty.

These police powers really are very poweful and useful but they're only any good if we actually report anti-social behaviour to the police.

I bet these anti-socials will be really upset at the idea of getting an ABSO.

Now if they were caught doing wrong and faced a good thrashing......................................... ..:heyhey:


We're all too soft with them. Give them what they understand!

Originally posted by RoyalRegular
I bet these anti-socials will be really upset at the idea of getting an ABSO.

Now if they were caught doing wrong and faced a good thrashing......................................... ..:heyhey:


We're all too soft with them. Give them what they understand!

Enough of the rhetoric. I agree that the system is too soft on these little toerags; but seriously what do you mean by "a good thrashing". It sounds rather barbaric and violent to me.

[i]but seriously what do you mean by "a good thrashing". It sounds rather barbaric and violent to me. [/B]

And thumping, kicking or even stabbing a poor innocent 'cos they want his money/mobile phone isn't?

Originally posted by RoyalRegular
And thumping, kicking or even stabbing a poor innocent 'cos they want his money/mobile phone isn't?

The thread was started by somebody who received threatening verbal abuse from some youths when he was on the bus with his family. There's no mention of anyone kicking, thumping or stabbing anyone else.

anti-social behaviour -depends what family the kids come from - as to whether or not it works. we had kids hanging about on our estate, some oldies called police after a few persistant weeks of the noise, police turned up and spoke to the families and we havent heard a peep since!
the kids were from quite well off families, who when threatened with a posible caution against their name(the parents) grounded the kids immediately!
on the other hand, my buddy lives on a council est and the kids there (and some parents) just thrown abuse (or stones) at the police and arent bothered with cautions!
theres always some action on my buddys est, its great to watch, couldnt put up with it all the time though, esp if i was old
dont we have neighbour hood wardens now? the guys in yellow?

Originally posted by ptigga
There's no mention of anyone kicking, thumping or stabbing anyone else.

But that's how it starts. They get away with the verbals, then try a bit of violence. We've got to make them know that this sort of behaviour won't be tolerated.

I get annoyed though (and I'm not accusing any of you of doing this) that all young people, i.e. teenagers, get tarred with the same brush. We're not all anti-social yobs, and most of us aren't going to stab you (!) but we get abuse from older people. For example, this morning I was sitting on the bus to school, and a boy (about 14 years old, who I know to be a polite and nice lad) sat down on the bus, and was followed on by a woman (about 45, so not elderly) who tried to pull him out of the seat and said 'let me sit down!' so he got up an moved to the seat next to it which was also empty (why couldn't she have sat there?) and the woman continued to mutter to her neighbour about 'these kids they've got no manners, especially them ' (now I'm not assuming anything, but this boy was black, and sometimes you can just tell what people mean when they say words like 'them' in a certain way.

This was, presumably, because the bus at that time is usually full of rowdy, anti-social teenagers, but this lad wasn;t one of them, and was showing no sign of being one of them.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
I was sitting on the bus to school, and a boy (about 14 years old, who I know to be a polite and nice lad) sat down on the bus, and was followed on by a woman (about 45, so not elderly) who tried to pull him out of the seat and said 'let me sit down!' so he got up an moved to the seat next to it which was also empty (why couldn't she have sat there?) and the woman continued to mutter to her neighbour about 'these kids they've got no manners, especially them '

What a horrid woman. 45 year olds these days! They should be locked up!

Originally posted by noseyrosie
I get annoyed though (and I'm not accusing any of you of doing this) that all young people, i.e. teenagers, get tarred with the same brush. We're not all anti-social yobs, and most of us aren't going to stab you (!) but we get abuse from older people. For example, this morning I was sitting on the bus to school, and a boy (about 14 years old, who I know to be a polite and nice lad) sat down on the bus, and was followed on by a woman (about 45, so not elderly) who tried to pull him out of the seat and said 'let me sit down!' so he got up an moved to the seat next to it which was also empty (why couldn't she have sat there?) and the woman continued to mutter to her neighbour about 'these kids they've got no manners, especially them ' (now I'm not assuming anything, but this boy was black, and sometimes you can just tell what people mean when they say words like 'them' in a certain way.

This was, presumably, because the bus at that time is usually full of rowdy, anti-social teenagers, but this lad wasn;t one of them, and was showing no sign of being one of them.

I sympathise with you, but to be fair, it's hardly in the same league as what the bloke who started this thread has experienced. We all suffer a degree of ageism whoever we are, and we've all been talked down to by adults in our youth. But at the end of the day, you or your family are not having their safety threatened by a group of chavs...

If I'd been the bus driver there's no way I'd get involved. I admit it's awful, but if you do wade in to help someone else, you'll either get your own head kicked in, or end up with a gang of chavs, their parents, the police and lord knows who else going after you.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience, and sadly the only bit of advice I could give would be to keep your head down in any similar future experience. There's no way anyone can take on a mob like that, especially if your family is with you, and they were never really going to apologise and sit down quietly were they?

Originally posted by Funky Dave
If I'd been the bus driver there's no way I'd get involved.
but all he has to do is press a panic button? isnt it? bus drivers need to be protected also, they get some grief

Thanks for all the messages of support.Heres a bit of an update.

The police can do bugger all because we don't have their names.

I rang First to speak to Gary Nolan,(Managing Director)but "he doesn't take complaints direct".I did't want to leave a complaint on the complaints line,as,like I said,I used to work for First so I know whaty happens to the complaints.I have written a letter to Mr Nolan and given him a week to respond or it goes higher.

Mrs Heed is being intimidated at work by these ***** because they have recognised her.

Is it not about time the decent people of this City made a stand against the scum that is roaming our streets?

Originally posted by uncleheed
The police can do bugger all because we don't have their names.

hahahahaha, the same old story. What happened to detective work? Is it the case now that the police farce refuse to act unless the culprit is presented to them on a platter?

****ing hopeless. I dispair.

Surely if Mrs Heed is getting subjected to intimidating behaviour at work the police should look into the matter regardless of the youths being unidentified, If I were in this situation I would tell the police that I demanded they look into the matter or risk legal action. And yes I agree that we decent hard working folk should stand up for whats good and decent , Because if we dont who will?

One of the worst things that Stalin did was to give "Labour Camps" a bad name. It makes all the lily-livered do--gooders curl up in a ball.
Yet,Labour Camps or something like them is the only way that this country will solve its Yobbo problem. Believe me, I do know what I'm on about as years ago I was on the wrong side of the law for many years and seriously so----and even then,most hardened villains would simply laugh at the do--gooders and young lads will often only behave when they 're scared to misbehave
So. labour camps are the only answer :--no fixed date of release ; no 'phone calls,telly or any other luxuries whatsoever ; plain food ; absolutely iron discipline ; hard work .
After about 2 years of that the word would get round and there'd be a chance that the flash louts would get the message. I don't think for one minute that the government will try this----too spineless and brainwashed---but it's THE only thing that 'll work now that we've reached the state we're in.
Could it be achievable ?
Well' think how chaotic Germany was before 1933 and the state of Russia up to 1922. Two years after Stalin took power no one was afraid to walk the streets in Russia and similarly in Germany , Franco's Spain and Salazar's Portugal.
The trick is to punish the Boneheads and leave others to get on with their lives. That's where Stalin and Hitler OUGHT to have left it !

Uncleheed, I may have done the same as you - if I had my young children with me and a group of people were using offensive language I would be very tempted to say something.

My children and those of my family and friends are taught manners and respect at home by parents. I'm sure some of these young people act differently when at home, but some of them won't.

Young people do not have any incentive to behave properly, they think (know) they can be rude and intimidate people and get away with it.

What's all this about the police not being able to do anything without a name? Do burglars have to leave calling cards? It's about time the police clamped down on the anti-social behaviour and acted when reports of this sort are made.

National Service at least teaches young people to respect others and learn self-respect and I would certainly vote for it to be brought back.

Make a complaint to the Police in writing, they have a duty to protect people and it sounds like your wife needs something doing if she's getting hassle at work.

Good luck

Originally posted by uncleheed

The police can do bugger all because we don't have their names.


Depending on where it is, I might be able to get some names for you.

PM details.

Years ago kids left school earlier and had to go out to earn a wage and by doing so found themselves among people who by example showed what 'growing up' meant. Kids today have far too much free time on their hands and some have hardly any responsibility at all. They haven't a clue how to behave or how to interact with other people other than their peers who are probably in the same situation. If they don't go to school then they should be made to do something or go somewhere and then maybe we'll get less of this stupidity.

Originally posted by tiffy
Years ago kids left school earlier and had to go out to earn a wage and by doing so found themselves among people who by example showed what 'growing up' meant. Kids today have far too much free time on their hands and some have hardly any responsibility at all. They haven't a clue how to behave or how to interact with other people other than their peers who are probably in the same situation. If they don't go to school then they should be made to do something or go somewhere and then maybe we'll get less of this stupidity.

Nice to see that stereotyping and gross generalisations are still the order of the day.

Originally posted by ptigga
Nice to see that stereotyping and gross generalisations are still the order of the day.

..........and you live in a bubble...........

The thing is, I would've thought that yobs and louts are nothing new, ie they've no doubt been around for as long as there has been "society". There's just more of them.

If you think about it, people like this reproduce much faster than the rest of us, as they've probably produced a couple of kids by the time they're 20. And so introduce a whole new generation of kids into their "lifestyle".

As a teacher, plenty of the kids I see every day have no ambition than to leave school, go on the dole, have a couple of kids so they get a house from the council cos that's what their parents/aunties/uncles/cousins have done.