If you knew someone was breeding a dog to destruction ????

I'm talking 4 litters in 2 years, and now pregnant again.The dog is almost 3 & just being bred over & over again. Purely for financial gain. The dog doesn't get walked, or stimulated in any way.
RSPCA cant do anything. All they would do is take her away & 'hopefully' re-home her.
What would you do ?

Taking her away and "hopefully" rehoming her may be best thing Lindsey rather than her failing to breed and being dumped, or at worse dying during or after labour?

If the RSPCA cant do anything, how come they say they can take her away to rehome, surely even under the new bill, the owners still have to sign over if there is no obvious suffering and would they be willing to do so if she is a money maker?

Taking her away and "hopefully" rehoming her may be best thing Lindsey rather than her failing to breed and being dumped, or at worse dying during or after labour?

If the RSPCA cant do anything, how come they say they can take her away to rehome, surely even under the new bill, the owners still have to sign over if there is no obvious suffering and would they be willing to do so if she is a money maker?


Gem I don't know what to do. You know me, If I knew of a decent home for her I would remove her myself.

They wouldn't sign her over they are too greedy for that.

Would they be prepared to sell? perhaps we could try and find her a home and SF Pets members could cough up. What breed is she and I will start asking around

I'll make a donation.

Nope they wont sell her - she's worth too much.

not even for a good price....? :D

I'm afraid they sound the sort of people who would simply do it again,
unless they were banned from keeping animals.
It's horrible, I agree.

You are bang on right Thursday.

Gemima she's a yorkie

I'll give the little sweetheart a home:( , if she'd be ok!:)

Nasty money grabbing Rats! If anyone goes in heavy handed, give them one for me!:mad:

Nope they wont sell her - she's worth too much.

I knew some one like this with a yorkie
who bred her at every season, and sold the pups for a very good price.
until finally when she was about 7 she had just 2 pups and one died
they kept the other one, a bitch presumably to start again.

I think at one time they even mated her with her son,
But thats what happens when pups are sold without papers
You've got no idea of parentage,
and the people who buy them dont seem bothered.

They dont by any chance live in Rotherham do they.

I had a look on the Kennel Club website, as I guessing that if they're so valuable they must be pedigree?

I do not think they would approve of what they're doing so it might be worth contacting them. Other than that, I have just read that they willl only register 6 litters to one Dam so they're onlt going to get one more out of her:
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/473. I know that's not fantastic but its something.

I had a look on the Kennel Club website, as I guessing that if they're so valuable they must be pedigree?

I do not think they would approve of what they're doing so it might be worth contacting them. Other than that, I have just read that they willl only register 6 litters to one Dam so they're onlt going to get one more out of her:
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/473. I know that's not fantastic but its something.

People will still pay, even if they dont have a pedigree,
and if there are 4 puppies in a litter or more its a nice little earner,

They more than likely wont be kennel club registered.

If the people are on benefits - shop them to the benefit help line.
If they are breeding that many dogs - get the mobile number that they are using - and report them to the tax office for unpaid - undeclared money.

there are only these 2 agencies that care in the government. Anything to do with not paying money - then they would do something about it. We shopped a woman who was doing the same - and they pounced on her. Find the papers that they advertise in - get photos - anything. find out the price of the pups - how many - like i say - they dont care one ounce about the dog or the situation - but they do care about not getting the money they should be declaring.

People buy yorkies whether they are pedigrees or not - and close their eyes to the state of the mum or future pups. until we can start and get the general public to realise that they are fuelling this trade - it will carry on undercover.

Good on you - if you can do something - do it. cos the kc won't and if she is basically well cared for - the rspca can't.

well this sounds like pure greed and animal cruelty the poor dog must be tired and feel used this sort of thing should not be allowed to happen give the dog warden or the council a ring they may be able to advice u more

I'm afriad neither of those two could help - this is not their problem or their issue. Basically the owners of the dog are not breaking the law. Sad fact of life that the law won't help in cases like this - and people are allowed to do it - all over the country - all the time.

Many will have lots of bitches - doing exactly the same thing - kept in sheds with hardly any bedding, food let alone a proper life and affection.

I just hope what goes around comes around - and these people get their just deserts in some way?

Its awful , the poor girl cant say no, i second what you say rr, I just hope what goes around comes around - and these people get their just deserts in some way?

Theres a lady down the road from me doing the same. Not for money though, just because she cant be bothered to look after her dog. Its always pregnant, shes always asking people if they want pups, and the last three litters were born dead.
I was at the shops with my daughter the other day and she asked me if my little girl would like a pup, so its pregnant again.

I'd question whether the RSPCA can't do anything since April 6th and the new Animal Welfare Act coming into force. The whole point of the act is that the powers that be can intervene when they see conditions that aren't in an animal's best interests and seize the animal or prosecute the owner, even without the need to prove that real and lasting harm has already been caused to the animal.

If this breeder is not providing the bitch with the things that fall under the new 'basic animal rights' in the bill, then there's a possibility that the authorities could still do something.

Report her to the Inland revenue or the social if she's on benefit.

Jaberwocky- what sort of dog is she?
If she is a staffy or staffy cross i can get a voucher to get her speyed.

If she is anything else - I will also ask the Dogs Trust if they would let me get her speyed. They will help what they call 'bitches in crisis ' which is this sort of thing.

pm me if you think the lady would get her done - even if we have to arrange to help cos she can't be bothered - as most often can't that let them do this?

report them to the social if relevant - might not do much but any sort of revenge is sweet.
the kennel club won't allow them to breed and register them with that frequency - so inform the KC. they may not be registering them but - the purchasers may be doing.
then phone the local press and tell them of the dogs plight.

If this breeder is not providing the bitch with the things that fall under the new 'basic animal rights' in the bill, then there's a possibility that the authorities could still do something.


Hmm thats part of the problem, essentially they are. She is fed, sheltered, watered. All the basics are there, but she is a money making tool to them, nothing else.

This sounds terrible, It must be so frustrating, lindsay... I'm apalled.

I can't understand why the rspca can't do anything, especially with the new laws that came in last month, to do with ensuring the welfare of your pet.

Cos , FFS, breeding their bitch every time she comes in season cannot be good for her (or her puppies') welfare,at all, whether she gets food, water and shelter. (I mean, Christ! even puppy farmers provide that! excuse the profanity)

All my pets are/ have been spayed or neutered, I saw it as my responsibility as a caring owner to

a) ensure my pets' welfare, in not putting them through pregnancy/ birth (or, if male putting other owners and their pets through it) and the resultant dangers, and potential vet costs.
and
b) not adding to the already obscenely large numbers of unwanted pets that are stray or in rescue centres.

An un-spayed bitch can contract Pyometra, a (usually) fatal infection in the uterus. after seeing a friends' little girly die a horrid death with pyo, (there are usually no visible clues that the infection is there, until it's too late and she collapses,)which was incredibly distressing for them -and of course not so nice for the bitch herself, either!

I'd never leave a dog or cat of mine un-neutered, male or female!

I'd never leave a dog or cat of mine un-neutered, male or female!

Totally agree, my girls were all spayed at 6 months.
This is really frustrating for me, but I think I am going to just remove the dog myself & risk the consequenses.

I'd question whether the RSPCA can't do anything since April 6th and the new Animal Welfare Act coming into force. The whole point of the act is that the powers that be can intervene when they see conditions that aren't in an animal's best interests and seize the animal or prosecute the owner, even without the need to prove that real and lasting harm has already been caused to the animal.

If this breeder is not providing the bitch with the things that fall under the new 'basic animal rights' in the bill, then there's a possibility that the authorities could still do something.

I was just going to suggest this course of action ... the law has changed.

I was just going to suggest this course of action ... the law has changed.

but it's just basics - food, water, decent bed etc

I'd question whether the RSPCA can't do anything since April 6th and the new Animal Welfare Act coming into force. The whole point of the act is that the powers that be can intervene when they see conditions that aren't in an animal's best interests and seize the animal or prosecute the owner, even without the need to prove that real and lasting harm has already been caused to the animal.

If this breeder is not providing the bitch with the things that fall under the new 'basic animal rights' in the bill, then there's a possibility that the authorities could still do something.

I was wondering same- although I guess they (RSPCA and other agencies) will be running ragged with all the cruelty cases in this region as it is. Strikes me that the best interests of this bitch are not being considered at all.

Just take her, I'm sure if certain agencies got involved she'd give up

report them to the social if relevant - might not do much but any sort of revenge is sweet.
the kennel club won't allow them to breed and register them with that frequency - so inform the KC. they may not be registering them but - the purchasers may be doing.
then phone the local press and tell them of the dogs plight.

But as we've already seen a number of times on the forum recently, having Kennel Club registration doesnt appear to count for anything now - for whatever reasons, (and I suspect many are financial, for example: it would mean having to prove you have used a registered stud/bitch [which normally means forking out £££s and travelling across the country to visit good examples of the breed in question and why bother, eh? when youve probably got one of each sex already on your doorstep,/in the house]; that you've taken health into consideration and carried out appropriate health checks which cost money to get certification for; and it costs to register with the KC). Sorry if I'm sounding a bit cynical here, but I question why anyone would want to breed or buy an unregistered pedigree animal - but the naive public don't seem to care.

Just take her, I'm sure if certain agencies got involved she'd give up

This is such a tough one take her seems the right way but then won't she just get another and begin all over again?

Totally agree, my girls were all spayed at 6 months.
This is really frustrating for me, but I think I am going to just remove the dog myself & risk the consequenses.

Don't forget that we have a number of police personnel on SF....please don't get yourself in trouble!

Good GLs are hard to find and we don't want to be smuggling files inside cakes in to prison to get you out! :)

Totally agree, my girls were all spayed at 6 months.
This is really frustrating for me, but I think I am going to just remove the dog myself & risk the consequenses.

We cannot be seen to be condoning theft though- this would still be theft, whether the owner looks after the animal or not.

The correct course of action is to involve the authorities and let them seize the dog instead.

We cannot be seen to be condoning theft though- this would still be theft, whether the owner looks after the animal or not.

The correct course of action is to involve the authorities and let them seize the dog instead.

Medusa I spent an hour on the phone with the RSPCA yesterday who told me they cannot do anything. The dog is fit & healthy - to the eye, she is given food, water & comfortable bedding. How do they know she is on her 5th litter ? They asked if I had proof, to which I explained I didn't.
Consequently they cannot do anything.

Medusa I spent an hour on the phone with the RSPCA yesterday who told me they cannot do anything. The dog is fit & healthy - to the eye, she is given food, water & comfortable bedding. How do they know she is on her 5th litter ? They asked if I had proof, to which I explained I didn't.
Consequently they cannot do anything.

It seems nothing changes doesn't it? poor little dog has spent the majority of her life either pregnant or raising pups how can that be right? surely her health will give out in the not so distant future :mad:
These are the type of breeders that make my blood boil!

This is such a tough one take her seems the right way but then won't she just get another and begin all over again?

That is a possibility, but if she's repermanded for benefit fraud, surely she can't have a dog inside ;)