The rap artist O.D.B., whose demented rhymes, wild lifestyle and incessant legal troubles made him one of the most vivid characters in hip-hop, collapsed and died inside a recording studio yesterday. He was 35. O.D.B. had complained of chest pains before collapsing at the Manhattan studio, said Gabe Tesoriero, a spokesperson for Roc-a-Fella records. He was dead by the time paramedics reached him.

The cause of death was not immediately clear, but O.D.B. had recently finished a prison sentence for drug possession and escaping a rehab clinic. He would have turned 36 tomorrow.

O.D.B. -- also known as Ol' Dirty *******, Dirt McGirt, Big Baby Jesus or his legal name of Russell Jones -- was a founding member of the seminal rap group the Wu-Tang Clan in the early 1990s. With his utterly unique delivery -- alternately slurred, hyper and nonsensical -- O.D.B. stood out even in the nine-man Clan, which featured such future stars as Method Man, RZA and Ghostface Killa.

The Wu-Tang blueprint was for each member to pursue solo projects, and O.D.B.'s were among the best. He released hit singles such as Shimmy Shimmy Ya and Got Your Money, and appeared on remixes with artists such as Mariah Carey.

But as his fame increased, so did his erratic behaviour, and fans came to expect the unexpected from O.D.B.

In February 1998, he crashed the stage at the Grammy Awards and hijacked a microphone from singer Shawn Colvin as she accepted an award, apparently upset over losing the best rap album Grammy.

i better get some flowers then:gag: :gag: :gag:

Well I guess it's sad but also it's one less rap artist for my sister to listen to at full blast.

I'm sure the world of sweary, misogynistic s***e - sorry, music - is in deep shock today following the sad news ;)

What do you get if you mix country music with rap?


CRAP :D

Originally posted by ianmitchell
Well I guess it's sad but also it's one less rap artist for my sister to listen to at full blast.
Trust me, he'll be releasing more records now than he ever did in his living life.

I bet his wife and kids find it that amusing as well.

some of the posts on this forum are superb.

someone posts about the death of a human being, if you didnt know him, or care for his choic of music etc so be it, but keep it to yourself!

its a shame when anyone dies young.

RIP O.D.B

Originally posted by some_boy
some of the posts on this forum are superb.

someone posts about the death of a human being, if you didnt know him, or care for his choic of music etc so be it, but keep it to yourself!

its a shame when anyone dies young.

RIP O.D.B

so did you know him then ? have you got a invite for the wake will it be cucumber and machine guns ahoy

:D

your a funny fauker arent you!

Originally posted by some_boy
your a funny fauker arent you!

if you say so:D

wigga wigga wigga

Originally posted by panda79
if you say so:D

wigga wigga wigga

lol do you smell a chav, panda?

Originally posted by ianmitchell
lol do you smell a chav, panda?

i think i do but i would like to be proved wrong:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Nobody made stupid and offensive posts when Ken Biggley, or John Peal, or Emlyn Hughes died... and none of use knew them... why is this person considered to be worth less? How do we know that he wasn't an extremely good person with a heart of gold? Seems a bit sick to make fun of someones death.

Originally posted by Snook
Nobody made stupid and offensive posts when Ken Biggley, or John Peal, or Emlyn Hughes died... and none of use knew them... why is this person considered to be worth less? How do we know that he wasn't an extremely good person with a heart of gold? Seems a bit sick to make fun of someones death.

get a grip man john peel em hughes where legends kenneth bigley was a victim of butchery im sorry if i upset anyone whos into rap but who the hell was this guy anyway and to be honest who really cares:)

I couldn't give a rats ass about rap, but he means as much to me as Ken Bigley. I don't see how people can be horrified with one death and laugh at another. Just seems a bit sick to me.

Originally posted by Snook
I couldn't give a rats ass about rap, but he means as much to me as Ken Bigley. I don't see how people can be horrified with one death and laugh at another. Just seems a bit sick to me.
no ones laughing i think the main reason why theres a bit of mocking cos no ones ever heard of him and im into a bit of rap as well esp foxy bown:)

Let's be fair, it's simply one less ego-driven, drugged-out, gun toting, out of control rapper to worry about. The guy had endless arrests for violence and gun crimes, including terrorist threats and it was widely believed that he was suffering from mental illness.

It's hardly a great loss to the world and it's certainly not fair to compare him to Ken Bigley

Read this for the full, unsavory story:

http://www.rapnewsdirect.com/Artists/Ol_Dirty_*******/Biography/

'he rushed out of a New York recording studio to help save a four-year-old girl who had been hit by a car and lay trapped underneath.'

'convicted of second-degree assault in New York, the only violent offense ever proven against him.'

Yes, sounds like a horrible person. :rolleyes:

I give up. :|

Originally posted by Snook
'he rushed out of a New York recording studio to help save a four-year-old girl who had been hit by a car and lay trapped underneath.'

'convicted of second-degree assault in New York, the only violent offense ever proven against him.'

Yes, sounds like a horrible person. :rolleyes:

I give up. :|

Your selective choice of quotes missed these out (and several more in similar vein):

'...escorted outside by security who'd grown tired of his drunken rowdiness; after he was kicked out, he returned and threatened to shoot the security staff'

'He later returned to California, where he was arrested once again in November on more charges of making terrorist threats -- this time allegedly threatening to kill an ex-girlfriend (and mother of one of his children)'.

'The officers claimed that ODB got out of his vehicle and started shooting at them; he was arrested and charged with attempted murder and criminal weapon possession.'

Originally posted by mojoworking
Your selective choice of quotes missed these out (and several more in similar vein):

'...escorted outside by security who'd grown tired of his drunken rowdiness; after he was kicked out, he returned and threatened to shoot the security staff'

'He later returned to California, where he was arrested once again in November on more charges of making terrorist threats -- this time allegedly threatening to kill an ex-girlfriend (and mother of one of his children)'.

'The officers claimed that ODB got out of his vehicle and started shooting at them; he was arrested and charged with attempted murder and criminal weapon possession.'

he sounds like he was a charming chap :P

so, ken bigley made the choice to go to Iraq and take a chance to make loads of money, he knew the dangers and died.

lots of people of died out there, most didnt choose to be put into that situation, soliders and the people of Iraq didnt choose!

so why should i care if he dies and why should there be a public outpouring of grief?

Originally posted by mojoworking
Your selective choice of quotes missed these out (and several more in similar vein):

'...escorted outside by security who'd grown tired of his drunken rowdiness; after he was kicked out, he returned and threatened to shoot the security staff'

'He later returned to California, where he was arrested once again in November on more charges of making terrorist threats -- this time allegedly threatening to kill an ex-girlfriend (and mother of one of his children)'.



There seems to be a lot of threatening to do things but not actually doing them (no-one can make money from jail). It's all part of the image you're supposed to have for the industry he was in. I'm not a big fan of rap, but I prefer it to the sugar-coated, no-brain, manufactured rubbish thats in the charts most of the time.

Originally posted by some_boy
so, ken bigley made the choice to go to Iraq and take a chance to make loads of money, he knew the dangers and died.

lots of people of died out there, most didnt choose to be put into that situation, soliders and the people of Iraq didnt choose!

so why should i care if he dies and why should there be a public outpouring of grief?

it's the fact that he was apparently an innocent man......

now enough of the comparisons of this ODB guy and Ken Bigley please. it's just silly :P

Yeah a heart of gold who had been in Prison and used to take drugs :loopy: . Im sorry he's died but thats one less for meaningless gangland war bulls**t, that so many rappers seem to find "Big" and "Clever".

Sorry to his family, but "what goes around, comes around"

ODB was a star

RIP ODB ( Big baby jesus )

gone to join biggie, tupac and JMJ got to be some serious rhyming going on either up there or down were its warmer

shimmy shimmy

Originally posted by panda79
no ones laughing i think the main reason why theres a bit of mocking cos no ones ever heard of him and im into a bit of rap as well esp foxy bown:)


What you're into 'rap' and you haven't heard the classic 'baby I got ya money' tune he did with Kelis?

And you know nothing about the Wu Tang Clan?!

Originally posted by tinajones
What you're into 'rap' and you haven't heard the classic 'baby I got ya money' tune he did with Kelis?

And you know nothing about the Wu Tang Clan?!
I was trying to get my head around that 1 also.

Ignorant and shallow I think.

Not my sort of music but `36 Chambers` is fab.

many people who post in this chat who are just here to take the **** out of chavs should get a life! who cares what you people think cause i certainly dont! R.I.P O.D.B 4 eva! and by the way grebs suck cock!

Originally posted by baby_g
many people who post in this chat who are just here to take the **** out of chavs should get a life! who cares what you people think cause i certainly dont! R.I.P O.D.B 4 eva! and by the way grebs suck cock!

I'm sorry but come on, if this is not evidence enough of what fools chavs really are.


"by the way grebs suck c***"

:lol: :rolleyes: :confused: :gag: :huh: :nono: :loopy:


Anyway bye bye :wave: baby_g

no need to get cocky with me! and by the way i am not a chav i think they are absolute t***s . i am here to make a point that you shouldn't take the **** out off something you have no f***g clue a bout!

actually let me rephrase that. i am a chav but i am not the typical streotype you are thinking of. i don't wear gold, i don't wear caps and i certainly do not wear burberry!

Well first of all, there's no need for the attempted language...

Second, how do you know that I know nothing about chavs?

I know enough to say that you sound an awful lot like one!

really do i? i'm ever so sorry if i do! and as for the attempted language what the f**k are you on bout?

The fact that it masks it out by the **** for example....

Not very well anyway lol.

If you are a chav I have no problem with you being one as long as you don't bother people

ok. i haven't got a problem with anyone really but it just pis**s me off that you were the one taking the mick in the first place!

You were the one telling me as a forum member to get a life...

But anyway enough! Before Geoff bangs our heads together :P

lol! sorry if i *****d you off. i was just saying what i feel! even if you don't see it from my point of view!

Originally posted by baby_g
lol! sorry if i *****d you off. i was just saying what i feel! even if you don't see it from my point of view!

that's ok, you're encouraged to voice your opinions here :thumbsup:

thanx!!! some people aren't always so rational!!!

Originally posted by ianmitchell
that's ok, you're encouraged to voice your opinions here :thumbsup:

But normally without the use of masked abusive words :P

Originally posted by panda79
get a grip man john peel em hughes where legends kenneth bigley was a victim of butchery im sorry if i upset anyone whos into rap but who the hell was this guy anyway and to be honest who really cares:)

John Peel legendery in his radio career no doubt
em hughes legendery footballer
o.d.b legendery rap artist

R.I.P OL-DIRTY

Originally posted by pitsmoor
John Peel legendery in his radio career no doubt
em hughes legendery footballer
o.d.b legendery rap artist

R.I.P OL-DIRTY

The comparison with Peel simply doesn't hold up.

It's probably not an exaggeration to say that John Peel was the most important and influential figure in music of the last 40 years (in the UK, at least). He will be remembered with great affection by millions.

Unlike any musician, Peel's influence was unselfish, personal and direct. He talked to us, not as a smug and egotistical DJ, but as a fellow over-excited music fan, as someone you could trust. He became part of our lives, shaping our view of music and teaching us that there was an alternative to the mulch we were being force-fed elsewhere.

He was the contradiction of every bad thing you could say about radio (Elton John)

A great man, a fabulous curmudgeon, he was as rare as the music that he loved (Elvis Costello)

ODB, meanwhile, was all attitude and very little substance. He was good within his own narrow field, but in the long run he will probably be best remembered not for his music, but for his penchant for violence, guns and his many brushes with the law. Frighteningly, too many of his followers seem to think this is something to aspire to.

Originally posted by mojoworking
ODB, meanwhile, was all attitude and very little substance. He was good within his own narrow field, but in the long run he will probably be best remembered not for his music, but for his penchant for violence, guns and his many brushes with the law. Frighteningly, too many of his followers seem to think this is something to aspire to.

His followers really are tools, those kind of people pose a threat to humanity.

Originally posted by ianmitchell
His (ODB's) followers really are tools, those kind of people pose a threat to humanity.

You got that right.

BTW, I thought you may be interested to read Robert Plant's tribute to John Peel:

"From my earliest recollections, John Peel championed and gave life to such a vivid and dynamic variety of music. His uniqueness was reflected in his continued popularity over four decades. In the early days of Led Zeppelin he gave us radio airplay when we were considered taboo by the flaccid BBC identikit disc jockey. In subsequent years he gave me countless hours of listening pleasure. My deepest sympathies go out to Sheila and his family."
ROBERT PLANT

Originally posted by ianmitchell
His followers really are tools, those kind of people pose a threat to humanity.
Give it a rest will you please!

Originally posted by mojoworking
You got that right.

BTW, I thought you may be interested to read Robert Plant's tribute to John Peel:

"From my earliest recollections, John Peel championed and gave life to such a vivid and dynamic variety of music. His uniqueness was reflected in his continued popularity over four decades. In the early days of Led Zeppelin he gave us radio airplay when we were considered taboo by the flaccid BBC identikit disc jockey. In subsequent years he gave me countless hours of listening pleasure. My deepest sympathies go out to Sheila and his family."
ROBERT PLANT

:thumbsup:

That's a really nice thing to say, ;) what a guy John Peel was.

People underestimate his contribution to the music scene.

Originally posted by venger
Give it a rest will you please!

Give what a rest, pointing out the obvious?!?!?!

Originally posted by ianmitchell
:thumbsup:

That's a really nice thing to say, ;) what a guy John Peel was.

People underestimate his contribution to the music scene.

I think some people have overestimed it TBH, he was a DJ, not an actual artist/performer.

Originally posted by nick2
I think some people have overestimed it TBH, he was a DJ, not an actual artist/performer.

yeah but do is it only artists and performers make it by themselves??? No way!

True they write the music/play the music but the people that decide what goes on air and have an influence over the music scene such as John Peel are important also.

Originally posted by nick2
I think some people have overestimed it TBH, he was a DJ, not an actual artist/performer.


when it is the actual artist/performers that say he was THE most influential music broadcaster then it is hard to agree that his influence was overestimated.

without him, we would probably still be listening to the 20 minute self indulgent prog rock opus's of the mid 70's. Even though he didn't make the music, he played the music that no-one else would.

Originally posted by ianmitchell
yeah but do is it only artists and performers make it by themselves??? No way!

True they write the music/play the music but the people that decide what goes on air and have an influence over the music scene such as John Peel are important also.

Yes, I agree.
But some people have gone a bit too far, he's turned into the Princess Di of music.

Originally posted by nick2
Yes, I agree.
But some people have gone a bit too far, he's turned into the Princess Di of music.

lol yeah, but everyone loves a good old mourn and tribute for someone they probably have never met :P

Originally posted by ianmitchell
lol yeah, but everyone loves a good old mourn and tribute for someone they probably have never met :P

It's a shame everyone didn't say all this stuff about him while he was alive.

Originally posted by nick2
It's a shame everyone didn't say all this stuff about him while he was alive.

Quite a few people are idolised when they die, except for the person in question when we started this thread ODB :huh:

How it got on to John Peel I don't know....

Originally posted by nick2
It's a shame everyone didn't say all this stuff about him while he was alive.

Although they obviously weren't saying it in the past tense tinged with sadness, as they are now, people WERE saying this stuff about Peel while he was alive. You just weren't paying attention.

Originally posted by ianmitchell
Quite a few people are idolised when they die, except for the person in question when we started this thread ODB :huh:

How it got on to John Peel I don't know....

We got onto Peel again because pitsmoor lumped him in with Emelyn Hughes and ODB as part of a catch-all RIP

anyone else missing from this group RIP?

talking of bad rappers:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041117/140/f6rsx.html

Originally posted by mojoworking
We got onto Peel again because pitsmoor lumped him in with Emelyn Hughes and ODB as part of an catch-all RIP

I was saying that in the rap game i thought odb was a legend as was people saying that emelyn and john peel were legends in there field. It wasnt comparing them . The only thing was the legend connection. John peel was a legend so was emelyn but in a totally different line of work.

im trying to hum a `odb' song... nope dont know any.

he's dead before his time ok thats bad. but i doubt his death will have a massive impact on many people. especially in the UK.

i woudnt class him as a legend at all. he was just a rapper who died. and if the cause of death is drugs related then i have no sympathy for him at all. like many a rapper....a legend in his own mind.



died too young

Originally posted by MTheo
im trying to hum a `odb' song... nope dont know any.

he's dead before his time ok thats bad. but i doubt his death will have a massive impact on many people. especially in the UK.

i woudnt class him as a legend at all. he was just a rapper who died. and if the cause of death is drugs related then i have no sympathy for him at all. like many a rapper....a legend in his own mind.



died too young

apparantly on the weekend of his death odb was on a drug and drink blowout so ive not much sympathy;)

Originally posted by panda79
apparantly on the weekend of his death odb was on a drug and drink blowout so ive not much sympathy;)


someone for all young rappers to look up to....