The new speed camera's on the stocksbridge bypass - has anyone been caught by these yet -

They record your average speed between two points and if your over the 60 limited - you should get a ticket?

I travel on the bypass every day and loads of cars wizz pass me.

Guess that must work on number plate recognition. Will it be effective against any bikers who may speed along there?

Bikers are immune from this type of camera (SPECS) along with Truvelo cameras. It's only Gatso's that take pictures from the rear.

I've just been reading about these type of cameras here (http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/specs.htm) and found myself feeling a little uneasy.
Clearly, they enforce laws that we all should abide by, but thinking more about it - these cameras average your speed covering a distance over which you are likely to be out of sight of them for at least part of the way. Whilst there's no arguing with the maths involved, this is prosecution for something "unseen" - like I say, this makes me feel a little uneasy.

Originally posted by hotphil
I've just been reading about these type of cameras here (http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/specs.htm) and found myself feeling a little uneasy.
Clearly, they enforce laws that we all should abide by, but thinking more about it - these cameras average your speed covering a distance over which you are likely to be out of sight of them for at least part of the way. Whilst there's no arguing with the maths involved, this is prosecution for something "unseen" - like I say, this makes me feel a little uneasy.

Dont see why it should make you uneasy m8, If you are over the limit, youre over the limit - end of story. Nothing else matters.

Wholeheartedly agree - if I speed I deserve a ticket. Think you've missed what I was trying to say. This is prosecution based not on what is seen, but what is NOT seen. Like I say, there's no arguing with the maths as "proof" of guilt in this instance, but as a society I think the idea that you can be prosecuted for something implied (in this case by relatively simple mathematics) rather than actually witnessed should perhaps be something that should be of concern.

hmmmmmm, I sort of see what ur saying.

But sometimes crimes are committed where there is no witnessess at all. Whats the difference between this and using DNA evidence to prosecute someone?

Originally posted by hotphil
Wholeheartedly agree - if I speed I deserve a ticket. Think you've missed what I was trying to say. This is prosecution based not on what is seen, but what is NOT seen. Like I say, there's no arguing with the maths as "proof" of guilt in this instance, but as a society I think the idea that you can be prosecuted for something implied (in this case by relatively simple mathematics) rather than actually witnessed should perhaps be something that should be of concern.

If you can prove that you have a wormhole or a matter transference device in court then they may waive the fine; otherwise they'll see that you travelled between 2 points in a time period that must have involved you breaking the speed limit.

Whilst I do see your arguement; you cannot deny that the system is foolproof. There is no way you could get a fine without breaking the speed limit.

If you want to move it to an even smaller level: The gatsos do the same thing. They record your position at two points and work out the speed you were doing from that. It's the same calculation over a much shorter distance.

someone should go out there and put a 3 minute buffer on the video feed from the camera's so everyone gets caught speeding at 160mph

not just two points, it calculates your speed during the whole lenght if need be.

they trialed these in Nottingham and for the most part i think they are very effective.

if you are leaving the A616 before the next camera you can speed safe in the knowledge that they will be none the wiser.

i guess these are the people speeding past you

Originally posted by Cols
Bikers are immune from this type of camera (SPECS) along with Truvelo cameras. It's only Gatso's that take pictures from the rear.
I was told that some of the (specs) take pictures of the back number plate? As a biker I wouldn't take the chance.

they are there (4 a good reason ) the road by design is adeath trap, how many more bodies must we cut out.

Originally posted by Cols
Bikers are immune from this type of camera

That's because we bikers are sensible, considerate and do not break the limit, is it not:nod::wink::thumbsup:

Originally posted by retroboy
The new speed camera's on the stocksbridge bypass - has anyone been caught by these yet -

They record your average speed between two points and if your over the 60 limited - you should get a ticket?

I travel on the bypass every day and loads of cars wizz pass me.

I do the M1/616 run daily and these cameras have certainly curbed my right footed antics.:nod:
Recently however, I had left the motorway but crept back up to 70ish as I passed "Reedies Diner" camera site. Thankfully no ticket in post that time. Lesson learnt: adjust speed, pay more attention and thank lucky stars.:clap:
Heard a story lately from a friend of a friend of a copper: cameras are set at 66mph and only one works(dont know how true this is so I still abide by the law of the land, as one always should!).
With regards to leaving the 616 before a successive camera, the only place I know of where this may be possible is along the Stocksbridge stretch mid way between the steelworks entrance/exits. Not recommended as this is naughty:nono:

Why put the specs cameras up then have the mobile camera van on there if the specs are supposedly so good, there should be no need for the mobile unit or are the specs turned off at pres, I don't want to find out, but they ought to be working 24/7 to pay for themselves and for the mods that need doing to make this road safe

Originally posted by some_boy
not just two points, it calculates your speed during the whole lenght if need be.

How does that work then?

You pass camera 1 at 100 mph, then come to a standstill for 2 minutes. Then set off and pass camera 2 at 40 mph. The system can surely only record your average speed between the two cameras (ie distance/time).

It can't tell how fast you were going at any given point in between (unless the cameras record your speed at the point they register you, but I don't think that's how they work).

Originally posted by speeder
Why put the specs cameras up then have the mobile camera van on there if the specs are supposedly so good, there should be no need for the mobile unit or are the specs turned off at pres, I don't want to find out, but they ought to be working 24/7 to pay for themselves and for the mods that need doing to make this road safe

As said on other threads that mobile camera is just a cash cow milking motorists

Originally posted by wiseguy
they are there (4 a good reason ) the road by design is adeath trap, how many more bodies must we cut out.

Most would agree it's a death trap. If it's partly the design and not just speed that's the problem then shouldn't we expect the council highways staff to have designed it right in the first place? It's a fairly new road after all.

"shouldn't we expect the council highways staff to have designed it right in the first place? It's a fairly new road after all."

This is a 'Highways Agency' road, ie central gov't, it is maintained by them, and was built by them.

It hasn't (nor ever has had) anything to do with any of the local councils in the area.

Originally posted by claycraft
Heard a story lately from a friend of a friend of a copper: cameras are set at 66mph and only one works(dont know how true this is so I still abide by the law of the land, as one always should!).

It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of those cameras aren't working. I often get drivers whizz past me as soon as we get to the overtaking lane, even though I drive at 60mph along there. I'm thinking how do they keep speeding despite the cameras?!

Originally posted by Lou
It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of those cameras aren't working. I often get drivers whizz past me as soon as we get to the overtaking lane, even though I drive at 60mph along there. I'm thinking how do they keep speeding despite the cameras?!

I have noticed this too. All I can suggest is that because those drivers cannot see the cameras, then they assume the cameras can not see them.

That road is a deathtrap...the two lanes merge into a single right at the top of a hill, so unless you've got back into lane, you could meet another driver headon doing exactly the same thing :(

As for the cameras, they don't stop suicidal maniacs, because morons will still try death-defying overtaking manouveres, but under the speed limit...

I and the people I work with use the bypass frequently and have never heard of anyone being caught speeding by those camera's.

Previously when asked for official figures on the new camera's they were "unavailable"

Originally posted by Abdul
That road is a deathtrap...the two lanes merge into a single right at the top of a hill, so unless you've got back into lane, you could meet another driver headon doing exactly the same thing :(


Don't blame the road for bad driving!!!

Originally posted by Clumber
Don't blame the road for bad driving!!!

Smart response :hihi:

Yes, people don't always drive safely on the bypass, but the road was built on the cheap, not with safety in mind.

The road was meant to be a dual carriageway with crash barriers, but was instead built as a single carriageway with overtaking stretches that lead to blind bends.

The road has claimed about 30 lives since it opened in 1989. Is that all? I'm staggerd it hasn't claimed dozens more.

Maybe the cameras are to photo the ghosts

I can guarantee the cameras do work, a colleague of mine got done twice in a week, 6 points on his licence and £120 worse off. He now understands about speed averaging cameras and that braking as you pass under the cameras doesn't stop you getting a ticket.
Since the cameras were fitted the road has become much safer and there have been far fewer accidents but as others have said, cameras do not stop mindless idiots doing criminally stupid things. Only yesterday I was driving towards Stocksbridge down through the cutting where the west bound carriageway is single lane when a guy in a beat up old Vauxhall Astra decided to overtake me and the stream of traffic in front of me causing panic among the drivers coming in the other direction legitimately using the middle lane. His irresponsible driving could have caused a multiple pile up and killed someone just to gain a few places in the queue of traffic.

The cameras are in good working order, one of my friends was caught over the limit whilst driving my car.

It is true the cameras do work I have been caught twice going to manchester and on the return in my rover 2.7 ltr with speedometer problem soon got rid of the rover too fast for me

I just wanted to add my 2 penneth worth and clear up this myth about tickets

The blue arch poles with yellow cameras on are NOT speed cameras! they ARE traffic monitoring cameras.

I have checked this with the HA. They take the middle 4 digits of each number plate and take the time it takes for that numberplate to pass through the network - NO number plate info is stored or transmitted. the ONLY thing that IS transmitted is the data collected from the number plate - which is then fed into the HA computer and trafficmaster - aswell as the RAC and other people who manage traffic information.

Only treuvelo and gatsos are speed cameras. The blue poles and blue cameras that are on the side of the road ( as there are lots on the woodhead route) are also merely cameras to detect the speed of the moving traffic for the analysis of traffic jams etc as are the little white cameras with their night vision that are also on the 616 by langsett water depot

Ok? <phew> lol

Also people saying they have got tickets from these cameras - but i think you'll find these may be from the gatsos at midhopestones or whatever it's called.

Also don't forget there are 3 gatso's in the trees on that stretch of road - if you park in the top layby and look with binoculars you'll spot them if you look hard enough

I do it nightly - well i goto scotland nightly and go that way as it's easier and i've never got a ticket - mind you i never speed - i do 60 but as previously said the speed limit limit if you like is the limit + 10% so it's 66 on that road

If you ask me it's the place the camera vans park that i think is more dangerous - especially if you search the net for sites dicussing these - 98% of all camera vans are illegally parked anyway.

they are not allowed to be in trees or behind cars they should be out in the open with warning triangles infront of them - not many i see with triangle which , like the cameras, makes them illegal without the warning signs. ( seem to recall that truvelo going up prince is being ripped out due to no sign, rather than put a sign up they are taking it out apparently)

Why save people's taxes when you can waste them - but be their motto!

That's because we bikers are sensible, considerate and do not break the limit, is it not:nod::wink::thumbsup:

maybe on your planet but here on earth they are the most dangerous people on the roads - apart rfom cabbies

All these " look out for bikers" adverts - i feel sorry for the car driver - every biker i see is driving like a maniac - up the middle of cars - on the hard shoulder - speeding everywhere

Only treuvelo and gatsos are speed cameras.
Not the case (http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/pdf/South%20Yorkshire.pdf) specs is alive and well and lurking on the A616 Stocksbridge bypass.

ah well, atleast they didn't lie to me - they just told me half of the story - leaving the bit about making a voliation file out

They do all that i mentioned though - as on the bottom of the PDF you provided

11km stretch? where are the other specs then after stocksbridge? i am having rtrouble finding them in my head.

Think I've been caught speeding this evening, was only doing about 65 overtaking, trouble with speed cameras is they don't take in to account how easy it is to go slightly over limit especially when you're overtaking.

Think I've been caught speeding this evening, was only doing about 65 overtaking, trouble with speed cameras is they don't take in to account how easy it is to go slightly over limit especially when you're overtaking.

They don't need to. Speeding while overtaking is still an offence.

How does that work then?

You pass camera 1 at 100 mph, then come to a standstill for 2 minutes. Then set off and pass camera 2 at 40 mph. The system can surely only record your average speed between the two cameras (ie distance/time).

It can't tell how fast you were going at any given point in between (unless the cameras record your speed at the point they register you, but I don't think that's how they work).

It doesn't work like this. It works on a basic speed = distance/time principal.

ie:
Camera one and camera two are 10 miles apart.



Camera one clocks you at 7.00
Camera two clocks you at 7.10

You've covered ten miles in 10 minutes, a mile a minute, so, sixty miles an hour.

Say you cover that same distance in 5 minutes. That would put the calculation of your average speed at 120mph, regardless of how fast you're going when you actually pass the cameras.
That's why the braking at the camera doesn't work.

In your example, it's the stopping in the middle for two minutes that would sort you out. You probably wouldn't need to go through camera two at 40mph having stopped.

Alternatively, you could just not bother faffing about, and travel through at 60mph.

Is it true that if you get on from the A629 entrance and exit where the A6102 is you only pass 1 camera? Just wondered as when I go down there and someone comes on at same entrance as me and leave at same as me I always seem to have an idiot up my bumper when Im going at the speed limit.

Even ones had a black cab go on wrong side of the road to over take me :o Another time I was also in a black cab and I told the driver which exit to use and he drove straight past, so when I told him he just slammed the brakes pn then spun it round on the bypass.

Is it true that if you get on from the A629 entrance and exit where the A6102 is you only pass 1 camera? Just wondered as when I go down there and someone comes on at same entrance as me and leave at same as me I always seem to have an idiot up my bumper when Im going at the speed limit.

Even ones had a black cab go on wrong side of the road to over take me :o Another time I was also in a black cab and I told the driver which exit to use and he drove straight past, so when I told him he just slammed the brakes pn then spun it round on the bypass.

yep same if you join at Deepcar up the hill towards the A629 you only pass the one camera

Think I've been caught speeding this evening, was only doing about 65 overtaking, trouble with speed cameras is they don't take in to account how easy it is to go slightly over limit especially when you're overtaking.
The limit for prosecutions, according to Association of Chief Police Officers guidance, is 10% +2mph, so on a 60 limit, 67 or less no ticket, 68 or more, get a ticket.

Also, take into account that vehicle spedos are usually a little optimistic. So, you will have been doing probably an indicated 70 or more for some distance to get a ticket on the average speed cameras. So not "a little" over the limit at all.

The new speed camera's on the stocksbridge bypass - has anyone been caught by these yet -

They record your average speed between two points and if your over the 60 limited - you should get a ticket?

I travel on the bypass every day and loads of cars wizz pass me.

stop speeding and you will not get caught its very simple